Is there anyone that the Mongols could not defeat or had a hard time defeating? Except Japan?

Is there anyone that the Mongols could not defeat or had a hard time defeating? Except Japan?

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Themselves.

the mongols didnt have a hard time defeating japan,
they had a hard time defeating water and the weather

The poos

They never made it far enough west to confront European heavy knights. They would have gotten their shit pushed in if they had

Blessed island.

Why could they not defeat India? Alexander the Great couldn't defeat them as well.

the horses kept slipping

Mamluks

>Is there anyone that the Mongols could not defeat or had a hard time defeating?
The Mongols were stopped at Europe, faggot. They had no idea who they were fucking with, and neither do the kikes.

>a culture that developed in the arid steppes of central Asia lacked the ability to create a functional navy
Shocking

Uchiha Madara

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Mongol_invasion_of_Poland

Took them three tries, but they pushed them back eventually.

Pajeets are the real master race. They just dont like to brag about it

that's not true, user. i've watched game of thrones and on that show, brown sandniggers on horseback easily destroyed the eurofags with heavy army.

check your fucking privilege whiteboi

War elephants plus cavalry sucks in the forest

Vietnam

They got wiped out by Typhoons every time they tried. Seriously.

Kek

They beat themselves regularly

they never tried. their descendants did conquer india though (mughals).

Northern india was held by a somewhat strong muslim kingdom who had the resources to hold the mongols in the north. The mongols didnt have the resources to invade europe and india at the same time, and india was much better prepared.

Soviets did actually win the Winter War to our great shame

They would have massacred Europe but stopped to go back East you fucking cunt

Yeah, and they lost against themselves just as much.

War of attrition. You lost less soldiers but had less soldiers to lose

WHAT THE MOTEHRFUCK

Never read this before

"The Mongols intended to settle down in the Indian territory after capturing it, and therefore, had brought their women and children with them.[12] The Delhi Sultanate army imprisoned these women and children along with the defeated Mongol soldiers, and took them to Delhi.[7]

Tens of thousands of Mongols were killed, including their commander Kopek.[8] According to the contemporary Persian historian Wassaf, the dead Mongols numbered 60,000. Wassaf adds that Alauddin ordered the construction of a tower made of their skulls in front of the Badaun Gate, to serve as a warning to the future generations.[13] Ziauddin Barani, in his Tarikh-i-Firuz Shahi (1357), states that this tower could still be seen in his day.[14]"

possibly the most under-rated comment ever posted

Actual white people. They skullfucked mainland Asia, including India (descendants, Mughals) and the Middle East, and they trashed the Slavs, but couldn't get past Poland.

Don't be a dunce cunt. They massacred the Europeans but lost against the Indian Muslims.

this, look into it

The 16th century chronicler Firishta claims that the Mongol camp originally included 50,000-60,000 people: out of these, less than 3,000-4,000 had survived. Alauddin ordered the male survivors to be trampled under the feet of elephants. The women and children were sold in Delhi and other parts of India.[7]

what the fuck

They literally stopped when they saw the gates of room, and for unknown reasons decided to not even bother and turned around and went back to the Steppes, dipshit...they likely would have annihilated Rome like they did everyone else.

They stopprd because temujin died and his sons then began immediately fighting each other for control. Doesnt matter though. Mongols relied on light cavalry, which gets decimated by heavy cavalry, which Europeans were experts in. They would have never made it past the Rhine

That's pretty fucking metal.

They stopped going west once they hit the forest/mountains of central europe, they had nowhere to graze horses and couldn't be bothered to sow grains to feed them

They would have massacred Europe if they had the chance and you knew it.

Fuck, the Muslim Arabs massacred the Romans and Byzantines...think what the Mongols would have know.

They had the Chinese build them a navy. They navy was destroyed by typhoons, which not even Chinese boats could withstand

They were overextended the first time they got to Europe and had to solidify. By the time they came back 40 years later (1240s-1280s) the Poles and Hungarians got their shit together and beat the fuck out of them with new tactics.

a white horse fell in the mud

Some typhoons come to Japan every year.
So keeping defense line was enough for Japanese samurai at the battle.
140,000 soldiers on 4,400 battle ships of Mongol couldn't break the line for 2 months.
Than typhoon Kamikaze came and hit the ships.

In Vietnam's 4k+ year old history the only time it has ever lost a war was to itself.

You clearly don't understand military strategy in the slightest. The regions the Mongols had previously conquered were primitive Slavic tribes. Central and eastern Europe were far more advanced, particularly in the use of armor and lances, both of which were specifically developed to rape light cavalry. Mongols did not even use metal armor. They didn't stand a chance.

>American understanding of history

Mongols were archer cavalry and wiped the floor with bohemian, polish, Hungarian and Russian knights. There was no army left in Europe to oppose them but the Great Khan died and they withdrew back to Mongolia just as they were marching on Germany unapposed


As to light cavalry defeating heavy calavlry, tell that to the early Muslim armies that crushed the cataphracts of sassanid Persia and Byzantium.

Honestly at some point we have to ban Americans from commenting on anything like history and science, they are by far the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet. They even thought a corrupt New York billionaire was going to stand up for middle America.

Wouldn't light cav just run circles around heavy cav harrasing them until they fell over like giant tin cans ready to be opened?

Luckily we don't have to speculate because we know what actually happened. The Mongols beat the Poles and Hungarians in the 1240s but the Pannonian plains flooded and they decided to withdraw to the Ukraine. By the time they came back, the Europeans were ready and the tables were turned.

yes they did, they fought fucking knights templar you non-history cuck.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mohi

They are sneaky little devils. Next time Asians want to fight each other we need to stay out of it. Those fuckers are psychotic

The Hungarians. In the 1280s, the Mongols launched a second invasion of Hungary and were promptly slaughtered by a combination of knight, castle, and crossbow spam.

Basically, crossbows are the precursor to firearms and completely buttfuck Mongol horse archers.

>thinking heavy cavalry beats light cavalry archers
you're a fucking retard. all the mongols would have to do is a basic kite strategy of firing arrows and retreating back continually and whittling down europe's armies and morale. fucking arabs decimated romans. it would've been a piece of cake for the golden horde

Mongol horses can't stand the smell

Yes that's exactly what has happened many times. Heavy cavalry is better only for shock cavalry tactics. IE. Like when you see in the movies they charge into the lines

>muh Total War tactics
>implying the Golden Horde period isn't when Europeans started beating them

wtf i'm mongol now

Omg americans are stupid. Shoo shoo go back to your TV

>cataphracts
>heavy cavalry
They were an early form of mounted and armored warriors sure. But still a far cry from a true heavy cavalry. The most notable difference would be the lack of a stirrup.
Holy fuck you are stupid. Do you even know what a formation is?

and that's why they were defeated by muslim arab savages? It's more like you don't understand...war isn't cut and dry like that.

t.autistic slave screeching.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blue_Waters

Don't forget the conscripted Korean sailors&soldiers

The Mongols(or rather the Turks that moved in with them) got them back later though. Timur captured and genocided Delhi, making more and larger skull towers. Oh, and mass rape. Just Turk things. Timur's descendants would go on to create the Mughal Sultanate in Afghanistan, and later conquer most of India.

>hungarians
>white
I am talking about real Franks like Charles Martel

Uh.. I don't get your point m8.

source for more larger skull towers? I know they got them back but the skull thing.

A Tornado

Not an argument

Golden horde period was after the long period of Europeans getting thrashed by Mongols. Golden horde weren't Mongols anymore they were settled peoples.

Also the leaf is correct on how these battles played out. The Mongols would feign retreat, tire them out and then mop up. Worked on Russians, Georgians, Poles, Hungarians and Bohemians. Europeans had no idea how to fight steppe tactics.

>Total War tactics
you mean real world historic tactics

>implying the Golden Horde period was when Europeans started beating them

>Holy fuck you are stupid. Do you even know what a formation is?
Y u hef to be mad. It's a legitimate question, do you have an answer?

The bigger issue with Europe was the overall rough terrain and the prevalence of castles. While the Mongols had developed siege equipment and tactics during their invasion of China they struck at a time of relative weakness and division, where winning a handful of battles essentially gave them most of China. Invading western Europe would have been another beast entirely since there were so many states that needed to be conquered victory would require long and inevitably costly campaigns. While I'm not saying its couldn't be done, it would have been a pointless and bloody endeavor like the Mongols hypothetically pushing into Egypt and then south towards Abyssinia.

While the mongols were never truly stopped per say (they were defeated after their expansion had pretty much already halted like in Ain Jalut) they reached what could be considered a point of critical mass where their empire simply couldn't hold itself together in any meaningful way. The Mongol empire was always extremely decentralized and as a result it was easy for local rulers to essentially gain full autonomy without even actively proclaiming it resulting in time wasted on diplomacy and eventual wars and invasions.

Granted an empire never being stopped isn't special really. The Macedonian empire was never really stopped, the Frankish empire was never stopped, it simply ceased waging active wars of expansion after Charlemagne died until its division at the treaty of, the same is even true of Rome who was more than capable of conquering Germany or Persia but simply lacked any reason to stretch themselves so thinly. Ultimately empires generally expand due to necessity, they halt their expansion when the necessity for expansion ceases or the empire lacks the ability to control any more territory.

Is it true that vietnam lost to no one? so vietnam > mongols?

Cataphracts are heavy cavalry you fucking idiot. They were armored horses. Mediaeval knights would have faired far worse against Mongols.

Shut the fuck up you retard.

Mongol war equipment was more advanced than Europeans at the time.

They already made frequent use of gunpowder and explosives.

Historians even discovered Mongol war treaties over the use of prototype grenades.

The Mongol Navy also was way more advanced than Europe's navies.

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Mamlukes en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_the_Levant

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>what are the Himalayas

They fought one of the most elite european heavy knights in existence - the knights templar - and annihilated them to a man

It wasn't against a western european force, but it was composed of a lot of western european troops defending eastern european territories

The first time the mongols hit europe they completely fucked hungary. Just absolutely ravaged them.

The surviving hungarians took note and massively fortified everything in case the mongols came back. The mongols did come back, years later, and got completely and thoroughly BTFO.

I think they would've had serious success in europe - at first - but europeans would've eventually adapted to mongolian battlefield tactics.

ah ah ah

Goddamn Mongorians.

India isn't worth taking, you gain a populace not worth using for military support or slave labor and clay that doesn't give you any worthwhile resources

They lost against Vietnam, The Mamlukes and the Polish-Hungarian alliance in the 3rd invasion

The Poos were ruled by Mongols/Mughals for hundreds of years.

Cool name, it sounds almost mythical.

FUCK OFF TO /HIS/ YOU FUCKING LARP!

mongols couldn't deal with stone fortifications in europe, you brain dead mongrel.

they were experts at defeating european armies they outnumbered and murdering/raping peasants and burning down their straw covered huts, but that's about it. they would start sieges against stone fortifications and never break through.

Alexander did defeat them. His soldiers however were too tired of those years of fighting and wanted to go home.

false, they lost to the french and were colonized by the french:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam#French_Indochina

Actually their only problem with eastern Europe which resulted in them quitting all together eventually was the plague
They developed it during the seige of a Hungarian stronghold

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I don't actually remember the numbers, but here's the source. I just know that every Delhian that couldn't successfully hide or flee was either killed or enslaved

Alexander's troops didn't want to fight anymore and The mongols didn't like India because it was too hot and humid. Their bows would fall apart because of the humidity

They didn't stop at the gates of rome, wtf

And they turned around because ogedai khan was sick / fucking died, his subordinates put off the invasion to go see him and figure out the politics (because no point in conquering europe only to find out you're to have your head put on a pike because some other faggot general usurped the crown while you weren't looking)

I was being nice to the mongol fanboys by not even mentioning the castle situation. But you are entirely correct. Western Europe was vastly different from eastern Europe. Even if the Mongols could have beaten the European knights. There is no way they could have endured enough sieges to conquer the west. I repeat, they would have never crossed the Rhine

So far there's Vietnam, Hungarians and well India (but they did later on) and Japan (but that really doesn't count)

so really just Vietnam and Hungary?

The Vatican at the time were also starting to act like Leftists.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prester_John

They were ready to roll out the red carpet for the Mongols because they believed the Khan was the fabled Christian King of the Far East they were searching for.

And the Vatican truly believed this.

It's like the Children's Crusade. Christians back then would believe in a lot of bullshit that ended up with disastrous results.

I can imagine the Khan's face when he hears the Vatican claims he is this mystical Christian King of the Far East and wants to invite him inside to the Vatican

Alexander's troops refused to go into pooland. Sandals don't offer much protection when walking through streets covered in shit.

It's quite possible they would have suffered a similar trauma as the Saracens earlier.
A line of arrow proof guys waiting for one of them to come close so they can run a lance through him and behind those archers let arrows rain at them.

>Batu Khan
>Cropping out the name of the battle and the year

Absolutely pathetic. Day of the rake can't come soon enough.

Stirrups. Google them you fucking pleb.

mongols actually relied on heavy cavalry

the light cavalry were only skirmishes

they had heavily armored lancers who did the majority of the killing

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