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Is this the greatest achievement of neo liberalism? As a staunch neo liberal give me a one good reason why I shouldn't be a federalist.

Pan-nationalism is mental illness

Nationalism will slowly die out as free markets, free exchange of ideas and people within capitalism does it's work. EU's future is basically guaranteed by this fact.

I am federalist myself and on top of my head I don't see a reason why you shouldn't.

Est Europa nunc unita.

its 4th reich communism

What how? What does EU founded on neo liberal principles have to do with national socialism or communism?

That's what Sup Forums say, so that must be true.

They even had an image of Merkel and Juncker inaugurating a remembrance plate for someone who was a communist.

That's clearly the proof we were all waiting for of a communist conspiracy.

This is very true. I had it myself too for a few years, but now I realize it was all propaganda to destroy all our pervious achievements.

As an ardent anti-communist it just boggles my mind how people think that EU has anything to do with it. It has successfully brought neo liberalism into mainstream position within Europe, by definition EU is an anti-communist institution.

>As a staunch neo liberal give me a one good reason why I shouldn't be a federalist.

Neoliberals tend to get triggered af by EU, they usually want just united deregulated market without the "Big evil Brusel bureaucracy".

True neoliberals like myself see that for the single market to work it needs to be regulated. That is the whole point of a continent wide free market, the same regulation everywhere. Neo liberalism doesn't mean laissez faire attitude to capitalistic systems.

>Neo liberalism doesn't mean laissez faire attitude to capitalistic systems.
U sure?

>neoliberals want what I don't like
EU shill please

>how people think that EU has anything to do with it
By comparing it to the USSR
>internationalist
>"building a better future"
>patting itself on the back and taking credit for things it didn't do
>convinced of its historical necessity
>more integration, more centralization
>a lot of talk of unity and solidarity
>protecting the little people against the EVIL capitalists and imperialists

STOP CALLING IT NEOLIBERAL IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS YOU FUCKING IDIOT

Yes, neo liberalism is a synthesis of laissez faire thinking and the more keynesian socialistic ideas to create a third wayist approach to economics. Markets with social elements in them. Capitalism that doesn't leave people to fend for themselves. EU is the epitome of this thinking.

>Yes, neo liberalism is a synthesis of laissez faire thinking and the more keynesian socialistic ideas to create a third wayist approach to economics
Wiki says: "Neoliberalism or neo-liberalism refers to the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism"

Care to provide proofs to your theory? Or did you happen to mix up "modern liberalism" with "neo-liberalism"?

From the same wiki:
"The definition and usage of the term have changed over time.[5] As an economic philosophy, neoliberalism emerged among European liberal scholars in the 1930s as they attempted to trace a so-called "third" or "middle" way between the conflicting philosophies of classical liberalism and socialist planning.[23]:14–5 The impetus for this development arose from a desire to avoid repeating the economic failures of the early 1930s, which neoliberals mostly blamed on the economic policy of classical liberalism. In the decades that followed, the use of the term "neoliberal" tended to refer to theories which diverged from the more laissez-faire doctrine of classical liberalism, and which promoted instead a market economy under the guidance and rules of a strong state, a model which came to be known as the social market economy."

Neoliberal is just a label for stuff in mainstream politics people don't like. Cutting gibs? That's neoliberal. More regulation? Neoliberal. Catering to whatever minorities? Neoliberal. Smaller taxes for companies? Neoliberal.

You don't actually find anyone labeling himself as neoliberal (save for a few trolls), especially in politics.

Too bad it ain't 1930s anymore.

>When the term re-appeared in the 1980s in connection with Augusto Pinochet's economic reforms in Chile, the usage of the term had shifted. It had not only become a term with negative connotations employed principally by critics of market reform, but it also had shifted in meaning from a moderate form of liberalism to a more radical and laissez-faire capitalist set of ideas. Scholars now tended to associate it with the theories of economists Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman and James M. Buchanan, along with politicians and policy-makers such as Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan and Alan Greenspan.

Classical liberalism is limited to the single nation state, all supranational shit on top is neo-liberal in the current sense of the word.

The EU isn't creating more regulations, it's actually reducing them for 28 different states that used to have all kinds of different laws. And most regulations that get implemented by the EU are actually done so by requests of the respective industries.

That's right it's the European associations of businesses that are requesting this harmonization of regulations and not some bureaucrats living in a bubble removed from the real world.

As a staunch neo liberal I find the usage of the term by socialistic economists since the 80's to be misleading. They used it as a club to attack necessary reforms by Thatcher or Reagan and later things like free trade, third wayist thinking and social market economy. Imho they are all neo liberal inspired ideas which is why I call myself a proud neo liberal.

Confederalism offers less power to central planners, less power to temporary popular majorities, peaceful exit options, and overal just offers less breaches through which authoritarism can worm it's way in.

It's got "neo" on it's name. It isn't classic liberalism or anything like that.

Also, reminder Adam Smith supported state-provided poverty relief and universal education. Ancaps and their friends are unsubstantiated revisionists.

Too bad you weren't born before the 80s, Pekka. You've gotta find yourself another label.

That is kind of what Molyneux did to discredit democratic systems. He boxed them together with Stalinism and Nazism (said they were all "demotists" - demotist actually has nothing to do with politics, he is a retard).

Boxing all market systems with pinochetism by labelling all of these as "neoliberalism" is a cheap tactic.

>Also, reminder Adam Smith supported state-provided poverty relief and universal education.

Awfully common how this is omitted by his 'followers' today. Even Hayek supported a basic social safety net.

Yeah, libertarianism is just as cancerous as socialism. Third way all the way baby.

Explain the difference between neo-liberalism and classical liberalism.

>Boxing all market systems with pinochetism by labelling all of these as "neoliberalism" is a cheap tactic.

It's not really tactics. It's just general term used (by leftists) to refer to the right wing/liberal political currents. Meaning slightly different things in different countries.

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>Is this the greatest achievement of neo liberalism?
I don't know what neo liberalism is but it is a great achievement never the less.
>As a staunch neo liberal give me a one good reason why I shouldn't be a federalist.
It should be a federation or even better a singular nation that will evolve into a planetary government.

Mars is waiting to be populated.The galaxy is vast...and some people would rather sit here fighting for the resources of a single planet when we could be conquering the stars.

Small minds are keeping us back.

>great achievement
how?

Creating a continent wide free market with a free movement of labour, capital and services is pretty damn great.

Why do you want from poltards? They have no brains

Let's make this son of bitch presindent of the world