"Eliminating the planet’s remaining trade barriers would increase global GDP by around $US100 billion. Eliminating immigration barriers, by comparison, would as much as double world income: that is, increase global GDP by $US60 trillion. This added wealth would be shared, but the overwhelming beneficiaries would be people who now live in poor countries."
- Lant Pritchett explains this notion in details in his book:Let Their People Come: Breaking the Policy Deadlock on International Labor Mobility.
There was a study in Denmark about the effects of immigration after the Yugoslav wars, Iraqi and Afghanistan war refugees. The wages of the less educated natives actually went up. Contrary, to the convential wisdom of supply and demand. The explanation was that low skilled natives gradually moved towards more complex occupations and a fraction received formal training to increase their complementarity with the manual jobs performed by non-EU immigrants.
Whats wrong Op? Why aren't you responding to your own thread?
Charles Smith
Free traded does not mandate free movement of people.
Jonathan Harris
I bet every shit that you take is the consistency of diarrhea then sell it for art
Isaac Hughes
People are not able to use the maximum utility of their labor in their home countries. One reason is because that their labor is worth so much more here where they can be much more productive? What is wrong with allowing people who want to engage in mutually beneficial interactions from doing so?
Nathan Myers
>Money is the only thing creating a good life The nose is strong on this one.
Caleb Watson
We get much more productivity from free movement of people than goods as people are much more valuable and create much more wealth than goods
Jason Wright
I'm concerned with my people and their well being. Keep your shit skins out of my country.
Christian Hall
The issue isn't a shortage of labor.
Nolan Ward
We can't have open borders and gibs. Cut all gibs and I'd be for it.
Jason Stewart
>Why are people so much against open borders when free immigration is the number one alleviator of poverty in the world?
Because it alleviates the poverty of third worlders at the expense of the immigrants host population. The USA should not be a fucking giant Walmart and the people of the USA should not suffer economically or more importantly culturally due the the degenerate greed of the fucked up few.
Juan Martin
You can either have a welfare state with strict borders and immigration, or zero socialism and open borders. No other combination is tenable.
Connor Adams
What utility can a sub 70 iq african have in a modern industrial setting? By 2030, 1/3 of all american jobs will be eliminated due to automation, chief among them low-iq tolerant jobs like cashiers, warehouse managemeant and security. There will be no utility for such people in 13 years, and there is barely any utility for them now.
John Thompson
Their home countries are shit because their culture and/or genes are shit. There are no more excuses to be made for them.
David Peterson
>The same (((people))) who advocate open borders violently lock their doors tight every night.
And i don't even need to look at this crap to know it's complete, utter nonsense. My fucking god, has everyone in this godforsaken world gone insane or something? Borders exist for a reason. Shit, nigger. Really. Tired of it all. I want to fucking kill myself.
Wyatt Hill
>kill urself faggot
Lincoln Sullivan
Usually when people climb the economic ladder and are free to interact with who they choose, they end up much more happier
David Martinez
It's Jews and globalists trying to destroy the fibers of western civilization so they may rule unquestioned. Chinks and Muslims are helping them as well.
William Hill
because I'd rather be poor than live anywhere near niggers, retard
Alexander Brown
have you told this to the chinese and moslems? because they don't let niggers in.
Joseph Moore
People have unlimited desires and wants, middle and lower middle class americans can easily pay a portion of their income to get the much valued child rearing, maid and chauffer services from people that are more than happy to take those jobs.
Andrew Brown
Then where is the backslash?? Is everyone asleep, or blind, or just doesn't care, or what?
Brody Taylor
Unfortunately they choose to 'interact' with us after mounting the kerb
Henry Martin
why should lazy ass blue collar fags be protected when beaners, poos and slavshits can more or less do the same job for a fraction of the cost
Aaron Mitchell
toronto is pretty diverse... and yet
Hunter Taylor
What if I don't want to help the entire world? What if I only want to help me and my comrades, my continent?
Colton Hughes
Public borders and Private borders are different. Public borders actually prevent people that want to interact with each other from interacting. You will still be able to lock your doors at night.
Connor Ortiz
Because its fun watching poor countries rip themselves apart and virtue signalers' pathetic attempts to help them. Please don't ruin that with your globalist shill tactics, okay?
Aiden Butler
That is not a viable option for maintaining an economy, nor to "uplift" the third world people from poverty.
Besides, we have roompas. They look better and steal less than them.
Zachary Wright
>This added wealth would be shared, but the overwhelming beneficiaries would be people who now live in poor countries." Wildly inaccurate. It would create wealth and all that wealth be go to large transational corporations....just like it is today.
Juan Cooper
Op your not answering the question. How is it sustainable to let 80 million people into a country with only 300 million. In 4 years there would be more uneducated immigrants than actual citizens. The best part is those are only the people born into poverty EACH year. What about the 3 billion plus people living in poverty? Where are they going to immigrate too?
Caleb Lewis
Then don't stop other people that do want to engage in voluntary association with world citizens from doing so. You are free to associate with whom you please.
Brandon Turner
perhaps as a whole collective but not as individuals. compare china to singapore, germany to luxembourg, france to monaco
Josiah Wilson
gibs are the essence of current immigration not working for better wage.
Aiden Kelly
GDP is the most useless and meaningless statistic you could possibly use for any argument ever
Matthew Ortiz
Are you implying i WANT millions of niggers and arabs in my country? What the fuck are you smoking?
Christian Harris
>Eliminating immigration barriers, by >comparison, would as much as double world >income: that is, increase global GDP by >$US60 trillion.
What if I told you that I don't really care that much about world income but rather about my own personal income?
Also eliminating poverty in the whole world would probably result in higher population whereas I want (much) less world population.
Elijah Wood
Are you retarded? Do you not see that the politics of the USA are becoming more leftwing not because the native population has changed its mind but because they are being outvoted by a largely unimpeded immigrant wave. a majority of immigrants are opposed to freedom of speech. They are opposed to gun rights. They are hostile or indifferent to pretty much everything the founding stock of the country stands for. You are either a shill or one fucking dumb libertarian.
Jace Campbell
this
Cooper Edwards
>t. iota shill Like a good idiota, you've swallowed statistics assuming 70 iq illiterate african is equal in potential to 100 iq college educated native, statistics the demographs don't even believe themselves, as they cooked them to inflate GDP projections and keep the fiat pyramid scheme going. Automation is moving forward and we have too many people for low end jobs as is. Wealth is not created by importing new citizens who can take on new debts from the same bankers reaping all the rewards. Case in point, in this increasingly open world 8 people have as much as the poorest 50% of the world population. Just ten years ago it took over 40 of the superrich, and in the 70s it was over a thousand. Your stats and your tech are both full of holes. iota can't work without the centralized coordinator and rapefugees can't work... literally. Move on from your 20th century jewish ideals and embrace this new era. Ethereum will bring true decentralized networks connecting people in a meritocratic way, and whether you like it or not this will create real wealth that won't trickle down to parasites in as great a quantity as right now.
Aaron Smith
We prefer real redpills here
William Perez
Because importing minorites causes nothing but public issues.
Noah Lewis
>Why are people so much against open borders when free immigration is the number one alleviator of poverty in the world?
poverty of other nations is irrelevant to me, i care only about the future of my nation and people, which are under threat from the permanent replacement-level migration occurring as we speak
>b-but the econom- i would sooner live in the standard of the poor in poland or romania than live in the way I do now, if it meant that the future of my people was more secure
Leo Rivera
It would still be very much in your self interest fiscally to accept immigrants because you consume their services and you receive a consumer surplus from them. Immigrants will also need to consume services and that money will go back to you because their spending will create jobs and enrich the already skilled and talented workforce we have in our home countries,
Adam Mitchell
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Jackson Young
>It would still be very much in your self interest fiscally to accept immigrants because you consume their services and you receive a consumer surplus from them. This is a claim not supported by any stats or research. This is leaving aside the fact that you presume foreigners to be simply willless automatons who just work and cause no problems.
Julian Perez
Open borders do not work when there is centralized welfare or welfare in any form in a rich state. You'll just have poor people flocking in for gibs.
Carter Morris
To suffer culturally you’d need to have a culture first.
Connor Cox
They're forgetting the part where all the retards from undeveloped countries flood successful countries and both vote for ruin and take to the streets to actively pursue ruin.
Ryan Perry
maybe if you worked harder you too could live in a nice neighborhood where there are no *public issues*. why should I have to finance your vision of USA out of my own pocket? you want no immigrants? just make your labor more attractive than that of an immigrant.
this country was built on market freedom, not pushing some socialist utopia dreams
Nathan Richardson
The average salary of the world goes from $0.85 /hr up to $1.50/hr??
And that's what I will be getting?
Sign me up!
Easton Scott
yup imagine if the bitcoin protocol awarded niggers every ten minutes for no other reason than being niggers
Noah Sanders
>This added wealth would be shared, but the overwhelming beneficiaries would be people who now live in poor countries." Indeed
Blake Evans
Damn it newfags learn to identify bait.
Chase Walker
Ebin pasta you cunt, why don't you associate with a mask and a helium canister, i mean it's open borders to your lungs and breathing in all that helium would increase your lungs helium capacity by trillions of valuable helium molecules you have no right to stop them it's a free world for them too, you dumb cunt.
Here i made an artistic rendition of (you).
Isaiah Peterson
I don't care about jobs. I'm going to be a self-sufficient farmer very soon so I will need very little money and services. And THIS IS HOW HUMANS ARE SUPPOSED TO LIVE! Not that artificial city life bullcrap.
Levi White
Open borders can only work if you don't have ANY welfare and if people have the right to discriminate inside their own private property.
Ian Jenkins
Im an oldfag. We once had one. I could tell you sad stories or things you simply would not believe about how honest and trusting the white population once was.
Lucas Price
Import enough poor people and your government will go bankrupt from all the gibs. Pic related
John Ward
Import enough foreigners and all that made your country successful is replaced by what made the foreigners' countries such shitholes
Gabriel Gomez
You would have to take into account the subsequent monetary deflation that would arise as the population of people outpaces the supply of money. A 2 dollar hourly wage may not sound like much but it could possibly be worth 10 to 15 dollars in the future.
Asher Miller
we should stop with hypotheticals and look at the world. The western world has a very high standard of living while most of the rest has a very, very low one.
Removing borders will bring them closer together. And if you're in a western country, that means your standard of living will go down. (most of the people who are now bidding for jobs are excited about the standards you consider sickening)
Wyatt Allen
Import enough poor people and crime goes up, driving down trust and social cohesion.
Brody Flores
Fuck the global economy. I already grow most of my veggies, fruits, herbs and spices in my large greenhouse and trees. I hunt all my 600lbs+ meat in freezer. We need to increase GDP? I truly can't wait for the great second "Carrington Event" to come. I truly fucking detest cityfags.
Elijah Bailey
Only 8 percent of the current US population makes minimum wage and we are selling them short. Just having english skills, being able to edit a word document or quickly research things online or in the library are skills that already make you valuable to foreigners. You would already have a leg up in advancing your own skill sets so you can take advantage of the producitivity of immigrants like the rest of the middle and lower class. The notion that the labor of natives will be pushed down to the level of immigrants is a myth because even uneducated natives are leaps and bounds ahead in proficiency in what they are capable of learning, doing and producing.
Sebastian Hall
>would increase global GDP by around $US100 billion >would as much as double world income: that is, increase global GDP by $US60 trillion.
Some things in life are more important than money.
> Safety > Morals > Religious beliefs (which directly affect ones morals) > Preserving ones heritage and tradition > etc.
Jaxon Garcia
the economy will change though, I mean it has already happened to a great extent that products get assembled overseas. No borders, no trade tariffs just makes this worse. And businesses will also slowly adapt to the foreigners who poorly speak english, where it is possible. There would be extreme savings if they figured out a way to employ some of those people.
Hudson Baker
Money is nothing when a people's connection to the land and shared history is severed. Fuck the kikes who are pushing this. They WILL hang.
Jeremiah Rivera
Because like 3 billion low IQ shitskins who do nothing but bleed society will flood into the countries that have a functioning society. We need more and stronger borders.
Ethan Young
Increase global gdp by 1/10 our military budget. Definitely not worth it.
Aaron James
Its okay kraut bro, these are the pussies who will scream for men of action to come save them once they have mugoombii niggerbean with a cactus storming their house.
Brayden Murphy
It brings everyone down to the lowest common possible level.
Fuck you, you are a disgrace to America.
Hunter Lee
op is a faggot. You cant educate dumb sub human 3rd worlds breed faster than rate they can be educated, elevated and assimilated. The conditions you have stated assume a first world society which can maintain peace and civility which is required for output and production. The latter will crumble under the economic burden of dumb, savage, 3rd worlders.
Fuck yourself, you disgusting leftist shill faggot
Brayden Ortiz
The reason that business is being sent over seas is because we have regionally segregated markets that create distorted prices. The market will always try to find that equilibrium of supply and demand even after you impose tariffs and quotas on it.
Isaiah Williams
I don’t give a shit about “stopping poverty”. Poor third worlders can starve and I wouldn’t give a single fuck. Fuck them.
Kayden Garcia
Open borders is a right wing position Do you understand what 60 trillion dollars means for the earth, we have destroyed an entire earths worth of production by having a worldwide closed border regime. Immigration quotas are not only inhumane it bears a huge opportunity cost for human potential. Cost-Benefit analysis says that any externalities that come from open borders has better be worth 60 trillion dollars or else you should be in favor of it.
Nathaniel Davis
globalism is a left wing position
Jordan Allen
Right, if you raise the wage of someone who makes $5000 a year in Mexico to $25k in America, they are out of poverty, but then everyone in Americas wages falls from $60k to $30k.
Charles Thomas
would you live in the congo for an extra 20% of your wage? No? then fuck off
Jayden Watson
op is a bot, not an argument against. see
Anthony Wilson
Its funny how the left used to be all like
>fuck the WTO man Seattle 2000! man.
Now they are like
>why don't you right wing retards wan't open boarders and 60 trillion in production goyim.
Top kek. Where are you going to get all the resources to feed these people???? The oil based economy can put 2 billion in a middle class life style. Anything over that is over capacity.
Your literally fighting for survival.
Isaiah Robinson
shut up liberal commie and kill yourself or you will be killed soon
Jonathan Gray
what a jewish post
Christian Howard
>study by (((economists))) says it's great >meanwhile sweden, formerly the most wealthy european nation per capita, will be broke by 2020 because of their open borders policy makes you think
John Williams
>that money will go back to you because their spending will create jobs No nigger, they send it all to their home countries. Money given to them is money that leaves the economy.
Joshua Baker
Not an argument
David Harris
Op you still haven't answered my question so ill ask for a third time, how is it sustainable to accept 80 million immigrants each year.
Leo Thomas
Let me guess trump is not your president.
Sebastian Foster
I don't understand the question, why would it be unsustainable?
Alexander Brown
its always been the end result to either kill off or mix with othert types of humans until a single type is there and rules the entire planet, so that it may utilize the entire planets resources to venture further out into the universe at which point if life is indeed super rare, we can always "Create" some to have as friends in this universe
Nathan Williams
>Be Jewish >Institutionalize anti-white pro-minority economic policies >Want to help third world Africans by destroying the earnings and productivity of the American middle class. >Ask the American middle class why they don't support this.
Isaiah Bennett
Immigration is bad for the environment. For that reason alone, every environmentally conscious person should naturally be against immigration.
Anthony Reed
This is just plain ignorant, they will still have to earn and spend here in order to live here.
Kevin Wright
>poor invaders steal and become less poor Old pasta. Get new material kike.
Samuel Brown
Op are you retarded? 80 million children are born into poverty each year, to substantially effect the poverty of the world you would need to immigrate those 80 million plus an additional 5 billion underneath the poverty line. So please explain how the solution to poverty is imigration and not helping them in their own countries.
Bentley Murphy
Trust me goyim if we all open our borders its gonna be 999 bazzillion dollars so you can buy yourself (((merch))) and finally become happy
Aiden Young
>the overwhelming beneficiaries would be people who now live in poor countries."
Blake Wood
Because their labor is worth more here and in order to maximize the utility of their labor they need to go where people are hiring not where people are starving.
