Dragon ball Super

What went wrong?

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What went wrong?

Although I'm not a fan of some of the odd pics Tori drew like the one on the left, overall I've grown really fond of his new artstyle such as the Kanzenban cover art.

Modern toryiama is absolute cancer

>manga vs anime
>canon arguments
>powerlevel sperging

Why make these threads during the middle of the week?

Kazenban covers were made in 2004. His art became super weird during 2009

says who?

Fuck off Paco

Is this "super weird" to you still?

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You need to go back and jumping bean onto down south false-flagging boiii

Indeed looks off

yes

user if you think this is bad I'm afraid you've never seen cancer before.

was there a world food shortage or something?? what happened

nobody gives a fuck about the anime so why is it relevant to this discussion?

It's a discussion about cancer, and you're it.

Jesus fucking christ. I didnt thought it would be this bad.

>be... well, me, Gohan
>be kidnapped by an alien at 4 years old
>my dad was killed by the Devil, who kidnapped me too
>be trained by this demon for months to fight an alien invasion
>that "demon" actually was a nice guy and I want to take him back, so I'm going to visit another world to revive him and my father's friends (who is also live again, that's something)
>the planet is under attack, space Hitler almost kill us, but everyone is fine again! But... father isn't here, he's not in Earth and he doesn't want back
>he's here again! We can be happy again but... we will be killed? I can't study, I must train to save our world.
>I did it! I saved this world, but father is dead again... he will never come back
>I will have a brother? He will never meet father...
>Seven years has been passed but father is here again, he will never let us again, we are a family again.
>My friend and me are in love, we will marry soon, I'm so happy!
>She's pregnant, I can't believe I will be a father... I can't believe being so happy is even possible!
>I'm finaly an scholar, which is my childhood dream, but I don't even need it, we are rich!
>My little princess has inherited her grandpa's strenght, but she's more trustworthy haha! "Uncle Piccolo" also loves come here to visit us, and Videl really appreciate it.
>huh? There's some people calling me "jobber"? What? "Jobber", "loser", "nerd"... I don't understand why they do that, why can't they be happy? At least I'm happy. I have a great life, what's wrong with me? Are they jealous or something?

Is there a cure?

fuck off wanker

Ok Paco calm down

New style is cute, CUTE!

LAD

GO BACK

if i was in dragonball z id use kamehameha

Who gives a fuck though. Toryiama only designs them but toyo retransforms them into the classic toryiama style.
Literally /our/ guy

based toyo> modern tori ?

fuck yes

YES

The popular opinion is:
Prime Toriyama > Toyotaro > Modern Toriyama

Has the show gotten any better?

I passed out vomiting and crying when I tried watching the earlier stuff, and took that as a sign that I shouldn't keep watching

Also, after all these years no matter how hard I try I can't find Japanese Goku voice anything other than disgusting. I have the same problem with English Gohan voice though, scratchy breaking high-pitched screeching voices in general.

/our/ guy surpassed the creator himself

Perhaps in terms of aesthetics but not quite when it comes to action panelling.

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¿hora pacito come estas?

Toriyama is like 61 now, you can't really judge a man that pretty much retired.

Toyotaro children > modern Toriyama children

Look those muscles

>17 and 18 not the same height

Reminder that Goku's name is "Gokou"
Beerus is "Beers"
Buu is "Boo"
Mr. Satan real name is "Mark"
17 and 18 names are "Lapis" and "Lazuli"
and nobody knows Turtle Hermit's name, same about his sister

This is a page from Toriyama's art book, when he wants to he can draw more in line with his old stuff if he tries.

>This is a page from Toriyama's art book
Looks like an artbook for battle of gods, not a toriyama sketch except for the right side.

>he can draw more in line with his old stuff if he tries.
shows modern artsyle

Where is the old in this?

So I finally found a word for why I don't like Super as much as I'd like to:

Melancholy

toyo is a pure genuis

>Looks like an artbook for battle of gods
Nope it's straight out the Dragon Ball art book which is all Toriyama's art.
youtube.com/watch?v=5I-gL9Yhsv8
2013

>What went wrong?
he doesnt give a fuck

Speaking of signature sketches, Toyo is becoming pro at it.

youtube.com/watch?v=uO3IG-oRpis

His old DB style is gone. All we're getting is his scrawny Dragon Quest visuals.

>he expects to see a blocky buff beerus and a sharp whis
that is the old style, just tailored for those to characters

is the English release of the kanzenban uncensored?

The page on the left is pretty in line with his old stuff in comparison to the page on the right ya dingus.

>English release of the kanzenban
LOL

>English release of the kanzenban
good one

Viz has no plans to make a Kazenban format. Closest thing to it is the 3in1 and the full colour edition another problem is that the main translator for viz media that works on dragonball got caught for paedophilia

YoungJijii vs Toyotaro

Well, the Viz Bigs do have some of the perks of the kanzenban, with pretty much the same print quality, bigger size, and some of the color pages. I'd probably be a lot more content with the situation if France hadn't gotten their own kanzenban release, with nothing censored and a revised translation, complete with lots of footnotes. Doesn't the English fanbase deserve the same?

Mine are:

Poor animation representing newgrounds flash from 2004, along with art drawn by people with the skill level of 5th graders.

I like the story of Super, for the most part. It's just it LOOKS like complete shit.

Post the SSJB Goku vs Vegeta, JiJii-Toyo comparison.

Damn, been a long time since I've listened to this and it used to be my favorite song of theirs. Thanks.

Feels good have my Kanzenban right here

the french actually buy the manga: where is demand there is offer. make a petition and see how it goes.

based jijii

is he truly /ourguy/?

no, but he makes decent porn.

>Lost all his chances to ever be employed by shueisha for a spin off
JUST

Why should they be? They're not identical twins.

Probably why we've seen shit from Dragon Garrow Lee already but not Jijii.

Super Sayain Blue existing

Poor art style in this arc, the shit looks so fucking weird

Horrible animation

Akira Toriyama, under the constant stress of Toei Animation, suffered a heavy loss of testosterone during production and brought hidden homosexual desires to the surface.
It is no secret that Akira was unhappy with the studio constantly pestering him to change his lovable yellow & red world of Mystic China, silly adventures and clever martial fights. This shows even in the early work of Z as the giant mushroom forests, Indians, talking animals are replaced by mundane modern cities & endless miles of desert wastelands. Trapped in a corporate world that didn't appreciate the heart of his work- but the profit- Akira gave into despair and depravity.

This can be seen in the replacement of Vegeta, a prideful cartoonish manlet, with the homoerotic symbol of Frieza, a reptilian with purple cyst-like bulges, insect-like carapace & horns akin to the spike of a tape-worm(obvious penetration of the anus symbolism was most likely intentional) as the intended villain for the intended entirety of DBZ. Much like a corporate director himself, Lord Frieza exploits planets(artwork) for profit without regard to the heart(or the people) that made the planet great(popular/fun/adventurous).

While Goku, who at this point symbolizes the living work of the author, is recovering from the battle(truly an inner-battle of Akira's feelings) Vegeta soon becomes a symbol of the author's pride in his work and his rejection of the corporate monsters that constantly seek to take advantage of or change his work. The best examples of this are when Ginyu switches bodies with Goku, and when Vegeta confronts Frieza for the first time- showing that they are equally matched, only to discover that Frieza is just not a reflection of the corporate powers but his own latent homosexuality

It won't be til 20 or so years later when his testosterone drops, his sex drive recedes that he finally starts drawing sexless nu-male characters.

Was he not allowed to draw porn or something?

Sucks that he isn't employed, he replicates Toriyama's old style very well. Better than Toyo imho.

the reason why lee was chosen was because of this

>SSJ3 Goku with the normal Orange dogi
Never realized why that fight scene looked so ugly before, that color scheme was shit under that lighting.

Yes yes I know.

>>Lost all his chances to ever be employed by shueisha for a spin off
What, story?

His artstyle is really stuck in the past, not only that he cranks it up 10 fold making it more retro than the actual manga by toriyama himself. I don't like it very much in comparison to Toriyama's real work.
Toyo on the other hand looks modern and sleak yet still matches where Tori left off after the Buu saga perfectly imo.

Power Levels would go away if we stopped having a bunch of different meaningless color coded forms for the characters to jump into every fight.

It also used to be a thing that Ki blasts were unique to their users and only did the damage their giant explosions would cause- but now you have characters that sneeze out attacks as strong as Frieza's death ball but they're just shitty firecrackers that unsettle some dust.

It's just speculation but it's safe to say Shueisha doesn't want a guy doing art like pic related to be the official mangaka for their spinoffs.

Everything past Freiza isn't canon anyway.

This is a good post. Well done.

Toriyama really under that much stress from Toei for more Dragon Ball?

how can one man have so much power but be absolutely useless at the same time?

>Toyo on the other hand looks modern and sleak yet still matches where Tori left off after the Buu saga
I might have to disagree. I don't see the resemblance. Maybe slightly in the Kanzenban art, but only slightly.

>Tfw gogeta literally has an attack that works similar like the genkidama that can destroy evil ki
They arent even trying

Meme magic

Jijii's fivehead artstyle looks nothing like Toriyama's style except for Android 18.

Spoilers are out, BUU WINS.

if toyo can fix him then its fucked

>gogeta literally has an attack that works similar like the genkidama that can destroy evil ki
>tfw this is literally the reason they shitted his character in GT
why, bros?

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Although it's vidya this is an /animated/ video, worth sharing.

Gohan might win his fight, meaning U7 will sweep.

BECAUSE HE ISNT CANON

I think the Cell Saga became canon by the time he was done with it.
It had a clear message and it ended with his pet-character finally getting his spotlight.

Meanwhile the Buu Saga is entirely nonsensical to me after Majin Vegeta's suicide.

Oh seriously? How was he found out?

>Gohan might win his fight

>"opportunity?"
it could swing either way, this could be a wake up call for him to train for the real tournament.

In his comments he says that he got tired and burned out on DB around 1992 but kept going

>Gohan might win his fight
Comedy pure

>Gohan might win his fight
kek