How do we encourage young men to "try"? Green text incoming > me, white 22M > 5'9 > 145 lbs > Moderately handsome > Valedictorian in high school > Studying STEM in university > Non-virgin > Tried numerous hobbies like dancing, public speaking, and playing music > Aware of most Sup Forums topics > Waves of depression and suicidal ideation since 16 > Jaded, cynical, and pessimistic > Would rather hold on to my bitterness than be disappointed again I know this applies to other anons too, so let's brainstorm ITT.
Blake Cooper
>21 m nig Idk I'm in the exact same boat... I'm just not motivated enough to do anything besides playing vidya or watching anime
Liam Gonzalez
Unnecessary greentext.
You took the blackpill too early now you're cynical like the rest of us. Enjoy life. Conquer pussy. Maximize your skill-set while also increasing personal profits.
Don't try. Just do it.
Lincoln Sanders
What exactly do you mean to 'try'? As in, young heroin addicts should try? NEETs should try?
Your greentext doesn't make any sense either. Is that you trying, but still being miserable?
your thread is confusing. do you just want compliments? you're doing good
Brayden Foster
most of us just aren't needed or wanted now, and in the future. What kind of life would I like and is also possible to have? Probably one like varg vikernes. But I'm not a welfare leech and I am too dumb to do it. And I don't want to wageslave at a soulcrushing job for the 40+ years I'd need to afford my minimal lifestyle. We can't even drop out and make something of ourselves. All we can do is rot in our parent's homes.
Alexander Lee
Android waifus
William Myers
Feels empty, desu. Should have been more clear- in spite of whatever accomplishments I have to my name, I have no desire to live. I dream about the freedom that suicide would bring. Do you ever feel this way?
Carter Turner
>> Waves of depression and suicidal ideation since 16 >> Jaded, cynical, and pessimistic >> Would rather hold on to my bitterness than be disappointed again Though I know posts like this are always tailored to the average Sup Forumstard or chan autist to evoke this exact feeling...it's always too real. It's uncanny. Fuck this shit. Fuckit.
Bentley Lewis
Oh shit man. I wish I could explain in a way that doesn't sound cliche, but as another 22M in stem (med school), what pushes me on is short term goals, having a few friends, and focusing on building a self-image that you want. of couse that's all touchy feely shit that you may have already tried
do you feel like you have a greater image of what you want to be in life? do you actually enjoy stem? were you hurt by a woman, and haven't fully gotten past it?
also just a reminder that this website can be pretty toxic to look at all the time. It's not 'weak' or 'blue-pilled' to look at some positive, uplifting shit, or even just avoid this place for the sake of your emotional health. reading red pills and making yourself feel like you're at war with the entire world is a great way to make yourself feel shitty, angry, and isolated
Leo Hernandez
>5'9 Stopped reading right there
Andrew Campbell
> Me, 25yo white male, blue eyes, blonde hair > Moderately handsome, into wakeboarding, surfing, boxing and basketball > In my 4th year of medicine, just one more year to go > Perfect GPA so far, thinking of pursuing a surgical residency > So fucking bitter at this world and everyone in it, so cynical at everything, easier to tap out then to push for change > Reading Thoreau, very tempted to take my money made from cryptocurrency and go live isolated for a few years
Adrian Nguyen
Suicide is the greatest act of autonomy and freedom one can do.
Henry Foster
Everybody is doing fine. You are spending too much time on the internet
Charles Roberts
what makes you bitter exactly? i am curious
Samuel Gray
we need something exciting and adventurous besides looking forward to dragging your ass to work the rest of your life.
Liam Cooper
Testosterone bottles instead of estrogen bottles to make us fight for no reason like usual.
Michael Cook
>Would rather hold on to my bitterness than be disappointed again
I'm the same way and completely aware of it, also I am aware it's a bad trait to have but I do not desire to change it.
It keeps me sane.
Daniel Reyes
>5'9 I doubt you're a virgin manlet kek
sage and report
Robert Allen
When I was in high school, I worked extremely hard to get into university. Near the end though, it really started to break down as I thought more deeply about why I wanted to go to university. I started questioning everything, and when I emerged on the other side, I felt nothing. I only ever wanted to be free, yet it honestly seems like suicide is the only act of real freedom in this life. So the one thing I want is denied to me.
Casting about for an alternative to suicide, I started studying philosophy, and later math. Studying math and philosophy is the closest thing I have felt to being free, but I am resentful at being compelled to continue existing in society. If I had my way, I would go live inna woods with my math books and dream of freedom, but I need money for that, and to get money I have to participate in the machinations and systems of this world. So to become free I would need to first become unfree. This more than anything else makes me feel bitter. I don't know what to do about this either. Forced to choose between the pain of a melancholy and dull existence, or the pain of disappointment, I don't know which one I would pick. The pain of disappointment and failure burns like fire, while the pain of mediocrity numbs and deadens.
Angel Fisher
>21 m aryan white Im poor guess what memes are true, i hate my gay ancestors for coming here. Im a snow nigger who rarely sees snow. Failed 1 year of uni cause muh depression, only just got over breakup from 5 year relationship with anglo chick, my ancestors frowned on my anglo gf. Now getting my shit together gym 5 days a week, laying foundations and ideas for future products and (hopefully) profitable shit. >my enemy is the furfag
William Moore
I guess it's because I grew up in a dysfunctional family, my father committed suicide and my mother is an alcoholic.
I have always had a distaste for society, there are no deep thinkers, everyone lives an unexamined life. There's an emptiness in everyone's interaction with each other. Everyone is superficial, everyone seems scared, nobody is real anymore. There's very little people I connect with in this world - I've always felt alone (even throughout my relationships).
I'll be surprised if I make it past 30, I think about suicide everyday. Not because I'm sad, but I'm afraid I'll become one of them - the very thing I despise.
No LARP either.
Jeremiah Cox
manlet here. im pretty sure a reason why you see younger people getting shorter and shorter is because our parents didnt know how to or just didnt cook and if they do its shit nutrition
Nathaniel Young
Fuck you OP. I thought I suppressed those feelings and then (you) came along and opened the floodgates. Fuck you.
Asher Gutierrez
I assume you are interested in theoretical study? Maybe if you throw everything you have into it and get a PhD, maybe you could land either a philosophy or math academic job somewhere. my grandfather studies math and philosophy and connects them together, but he is in his 90s and retired, so I don't think I could ask him for any advice on your situation
it's good that you have something you're passionate about though. do you think you could go get a more advanced degree afterwards and spend your life studying what you enjoy?
John Cruz
shit, I'm sorry about your past. my best friend had an awful upbringing as well (abused), and as much as I try to reassure them, there is some part of their thinking that is permanently changed
this is a bizarre question, but if you've never run into a deep thinker, would you know what one was when you encountered them? have you tried, purposefully, to seek them out?
i'd offer advice but you're older and more experienced than me so it'll probably be shit you've already considered. I wish you the best... I honestly think surgery might either be a really good fit, or it'll make you hate life even more. I'm probably going to do senpai med or something
Parker Martinez
Apparently the feeling never leaves, and of course I find discussion on this here of all places
The worst part about being like this in today's world, is that you are self aware enough for these things to be a problem, but also enough to fix and overcome them yourself, which unfortunately means that your self-reprogramming endeavors will inevitably lead you to applying your self-imposed standards to everyone else, and instead of wanting to die because of something about yourself, it instead becomes something that is a result of almost every single person you'll interact with in life.
I love who I am, what I want from life (though this is constantly changing, enough that every career I dedicated myself to quickly became unpleasant), and how other people perceive me, and the concept/beauty of life itself, what I don't love is this fucking garbage society that I am forced to put up with in order to appreciate the beauty of life. Why would I even want to be successful if I'll still be spending it surrounded by the people of current year? all that keeps me going now is the hope that crypto will provide an escape, not to drop out of society but to participate in it, in a way that is actually meaningful and fulfilling - of course I could ask myself why I would bother with that too, but the power of intention tells me that doing this will only make things worse.
How do you stay motivated in a seemingly meaningless life?? Life is amazing and far from meaningless but it seems a hard thing to escape the social frame of reference held so commonly by most of society. If participating in current year's society was the only point to life I might give up entirely.
Easton Mitchell
I do try but I'm still a 26 year old kisless virgin who failed highschool
Hunter Williams
Why contribute to a society that hates you?
Liam Parker
Pretty much me, but semi-successful. Can't seem to nail down where I'm going in life. Few things are concrete in my life while everything else passing.
Adam Powell
Except you see younger pepole getting wayyy taller everyone but me gotta learn
Henry Hill
Read philosophy and don't be a faggot
Landon Cox
Give it time and you'll all eventually be working for me, doing whatever you want, which will be achieve /our/ goals.
Camden Nguyen
> Interested in theoretical study Perhaps, but more than anything it is the purity of it. The austere coldness followed by a lightning bolt of insight, like a view from a mountain top. I am enrolled in applied math because it is more employable, but my problem remains. > desire to be free from society > must participate in society to be free from society > ERROR I'm making myself miserable with this conundrum. Jordan Peterson's videos have been very intriguing, especially his talks about renewing society and working from within to make it better, but I am very jaded after being on Sup Forums and elsewhere. Some anons trust in God, but I find Him cruel. I don't want to get my hopes up anymore. Locking up your heart will numb you from the inside out, but at least you don't have to feel the pain of failure and disappointment.
Julian Adams
>be me >graduate with a 96% average with a full course load out of highschool >never really had friends or even held hands with a girl >have since become a recluse, have not held a conversation with anyone in years >make all of my money running a server hosting website
feels bad man
Jonathan Watson
Harness your Autism, OP. Arbeit macht frei.
Hunter Barnes
Be fluid. People either cling to participation or isolation/escapism. Too much participation and it becomes a hollow void that requires more and more denial of the unhappiness at the core to keep from confronting the void. Too much escapism/isolantion is just trying to fill that void with anything. You acknowledge the void and try to fill it with as much vice as possible, or acknowledge it and try to quarantine your self from it, but we are social creatures. Be fluid. Know when to knuckle down and when to take life less serious. You should "try" because everything you see wrong in society isn't going to resolve in your lifetime with you alone. It takes more and more of us "trying" to add up to difference. You need to work on you, become infectious. Pick your self up, push through each day, and set personal goals. Internal and external. People will let you down, it's human nature, we don't always align. Sometimes others need to make mistakes to see for themselves. You will too and you will fail. Get up then fail again. And again. Live in the rebound moments, that's where you want to burn the brightest. Be fluid. Fit the container you're presently in, and be ready for the next. Never settle for a set goal, keep going for more. Try. Fail. Try again. Live above the rabble clinging too tightly to one view or the other
Andrew Collins
>5'9 >moderately handsome Pick one, manlet
David Kelly
>Locking up your heart will numb you from the inside out, but at least you don't have to feel the pain of failure and disappointment. feeling pain and disappointment is an integral part of life though (cliche, I know). It helps us learn and can give us purpose. if you have the choice between numbing, suicidal coldness and occasional episodes of severe failure/sadness, are you sure you want to choose the former?
err and not to take a personal jab but I'm way shorter than you (5'4") and while I don't do great with ladies, I can definitely say you're letting it twist your thinking.
maybe you should take some time off of pol, politics, and related stuff. just look at the immediate world. give yourself a breather
Ian James
How the fuck are you all millionaires?
Samuel Garcia
Oh god that would actually be a valid reason for suicide.
Noah Hall
> If you have the choice between numbing, suicidal coldness and occasional episodes of severe failure/sadness, are you sure you want to choose the former? I don't know. I don't even know how one would live without the protective armor of cynicism/pessimism. I loathe being vulnerable.
Colton Stewart
When Trump got elected, he gave every US citizen a small loan of a million dollars.
Jason Flores
being vulnerable is what allows you to have new, positive experiences. it's not a binary either. you don't have to totally ditch pessimism. just mix it in with a little optimism, and you'll start to break boundaries. it's either that or dying sad and alone in a shell of your own design.
nobody likes being vulnerable. but sometimes you have to jump into the pool and see what happens
Luis Jenkins
In the darkness, I am safe. Optimism is like a crack in the shell through which light, and pain enters.
Aiden Bell
Since you like philosophy, have you read Nietzsche? he makes a very powerful argument for why we should deny pessimism and defeat and be our greatest selves.
maybe it'll mentally awake you.
you'll die one day. that is guarenteed- you'll get the 'freedom' you desire one day. just give life a chance
James Nguyen
>145 lbs
Start lifting weight you skinny bitch
Christopher Gutierrez
> You'll die one day. that is guaranteed- you'll get the freedom you desire one day. Just give life a chance If what I desire is at the end of life, why would I not take the most direct route? If you told me that you wanted strawberries and cream, would you appreciate it if I forced cauliflower down your throat? If you asked for a glass of wine, would you be grateful when I handed you water? In this view, life is little more than an intolerable delay before the 'main show', a disappointing and unpleasant detour before more pleasant things.
Jose Peterson
because you said earlier > If I had my way, I would go live inna woods with my math books and dream of freedom
there are other things you want that'll you will miss out on if you quit now. Also, as a young man, your view of the world is clearly in flux, and your lust for 'freedom' now might rob a potentially happier, future version of yourself of any freedom they might have
you and I are both 22. it's idiotic for either of us to assume we will remain one way or another for the rest of our lives
Nathan Allen
You're gonna make it, user! You're going to do it! Nothing can stop you!
Thomas Nelson
You didnt tap out if you did you would be a neet living on the government
Isaiah Roberts
>checks flag
sage
Elijah Sullivan
Yes, but the reason that I desire those things at all (math, philosophy, inna woods) is as a proxy for my unfulfilled desire for freedom. A band-aid solution. Does that make sense? > as a young man, your view of the world is clearly in flux Deflection. You and I both know that that is not an argument. An elderly man might well say the same things as I. There is no guarantee that life will become any more tolerable than it is now. Would you say the same to him? Therapists, doctors, priests always say the same: > you might find something to live for later > just hodl on > if you kys God will be angry you weren't grateful to be alive > life is a gift People tell me it is unnatural, selfish, and sinful to not want to live. This appears to me as the apex of indignity. To be forced to stay alive, against one's will. Goddamnit, just let me shuffle off this mortal coil in peace.