Is Fascism Right Or Left?
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left wing
It defies the basic political dichotomy. That's why it was often called "Third Position." Fascism is best understood as authoritarian centrism.
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Left is collectivism.
Right is individualism.
Feel free to try and imagine any form of fascism that won't be collectivist in nature.
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>Be JIDF shill
>Bring up the right/left Jew construct to divide and distract the goyim.
>link to (((PragerU))) video
>authoritarian centrism
Fascism combines both left and right wing ideas but I consider it too radical to be called centrism. When I think centrism I think moderate.
The rules saying Fascism is left wing would also prove that hippies are right wing.
Viewing politics as one axis is a retarded notion for lazy thinkers that want to sound like they know what they're talking about, without putting any effort in to actually learn politics.
Fascism is left-leaning, given that it desires state control of the economy as well as censorship of media. Fascism is in general though, less of a left/right issue, given that it's really social policy that determines left/right, and while fascism does have some inherent qualities to it which determine what it believes about human nature, in general, it is outside of the spectrum, in the same way I would argue that anarchism is outside of the spectrum.
It's far right if you live in Europe. It's the center if you live in America.
Quit shilling your content here PragerJew
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Hitler was a failed liberal arts student who self identified as a socialist and hated the upper class.
Sound familiar?
I view it as egalitarian vs meritocratic or complementarianism
It's up, because i say it is, and if you argue with me you'll get shot in the face, faggot.
He also fought in World War 1 and received 6 awards for doing so.
So no, it doesn't sound familiar.
So... you're saying socialists never fought in the military? Hell, even trannies can fight in a war nowadays.
WOW THAT WAS SO ORIGINAL
I'm saying your cappuccino soyboy in the first image sure didn't
And the one there has already been identified and removed from service.
Right wing, sage faggot
Fascism is right
Totalitarianism is left
That's about it really
Hitler served before communism existed dipshit
He didnt go to any faggy “military” college first either
>The rules saying Fascism is left wing would also prove that hippies are right wing.
this guy gets it
3rd position politics is just that. A 3rd position. You can’t take something as complicated as the sphere of political philosophy and put it on a line.
It is a radical centrist ideology
So many faggot larpers triggered by the truth. Nazism was nothing more than a social justice movement. If you want to be a part of a radical right-wing ideology, convert to Islam.
Right is vague traditionalism, left is vague progressivism
Stop regurgitating stupid American boomer memes
>PragerU
You need to define left and right first faggots. Then what you take as the centre.
stop posting fucking lemmings.
brainwashed people are still people.
get it right, shill.
PEOPLE, not lemmings.
unlike you, i don't dehumanize people i don't like.
find some other board to radicalize.
now have a pizzagate.
Center
and to return to the topic at hand...
fascism the extreme of "economically liberal, socially conservative".
normies can't even tell the difference between conservatives and neo-conservatives so they get all butthurt when anything more nuanced than cnn comes through their little minds.
Neither. It's what happens when you extend too far into left or right.
>fascism
>economically liberal
Well, it was. Until it suddenly wasn't anymore. It's barely a legitimate ideology, and more a tool for the rich to hold onto capitalism when it's very obviously failing.
the only thing i now for sure is that if you are reading this and dont reply, your mother will die in her sleep tonight
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>trying to lump Marxism with Fascism when they are polar opposites
>thinking the dichotomy of left/right is practical at all and not geographically aligned and changes with time
The political spectrum today is not at all based on state control. Conservatism is a recent thing. The dichotomy has always been vague levels of progressivism v. traditionalism for 300 years.
Left and right comes from the aftermath of the French revolution. On the left side of the parliament there were gathered the classical liberals, secularists and constituionalists and and on the right side the royalists, theocrats and traditionalists.
So Lockean classical liberalism which beliefs the individual is the measure of all things and that the world is heading toward a better future, and the past is always worse than the present is objectively a left-wing ideology. Fascism was a counter-Enlightenment right-wing reaction to the unbridled left-wing capitalist individualism and tried to restore the extended family as the basic unit of the social order and institute a non-economical approach to life and society.
>Unironically beliving in "muh left" and "muh right" in the current year of Our Lord
>Hitler served before communism existed dipshit
murrican edumacation
Its a shame that this basic understanding of the political spectrum is the most intelligent post i've seen on Sup Forums in a while.
>There are people who still think the nazis were left-wing.
Jesus fucking christ, educate yourself.
Right: embraces hiearhies
Left: Tries to abolish hierarchies
that's why the left has no basis in reality
Right-wing.
It upholds societal hierarchy, seeks to preserve traditional values, and acknowledges and respects property rights.
according to your logic, social justice is justice
Moving the goal post
Does it even matter? Seriously, the question of where it falls on some line in contrast to other ideologies doesn't matter. We should always just look at beliefs solely for what they are and ask "Does this benefit us or not?".
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>facism respects property rights
top kek
So the Empire of Japan was not fascist?
There were taxes and tariffs in the link you posted which violate property rights
Real fascism is neither. It is concerned with hierarchy, with "organicity" so to speak of a society. It is, most importantly, not a political agenda. It advocates the world as God intended it. And that's already it. Everything else, every part of politicism put into "definitions" is a lie. Because political agendas are a tool to end up with fascism - not fascism itself. Therefore the political tool can be autoritarian, or even anarchistic. Because the goal is natural order, not a political system.
If you poison the water supply of your nation. Export all the crops and then invest your money over seas on Asian hookers. Then you are working against the people and don't deserve property in the context of a nationalist society.
If you work in the context of aiding the state - which is then in contrast representative of the people. They you can prosper. You are entitled to your wealth because it does not infringe against the interests of your people.
So the collective get's to decide if someone keeps their own money or not. Got it. Textbook respect for property rights there
Fascism is angry hippies
I know, it is an amazing concept to realize that groups are stronger then individuals. That said groups will act in their interests as a nation or nation state.
Good. Good.
If one day you decide to leave the cult or do your own thing, straight to the gulag bro! Sounds wonderul
Right has nothing to do with 'traditionalism' you dipshit. You probably also think that natsoc or putin's russia are right-wing, don't you?
Communists called their economic system socialism actually. Press "G" for sources.
Neither, left and right are not bound to a single ethic. "individualism" is a way of deconstructing the cultures of the right.
Excellent post.
Another great post.
Neither. The current political axis is divided between economic policy.
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This, anyone that unironically thinks fascism is left-wing is either a cuckservative lying to themselves or a 2-digit IQ retard.
>classical liberalism which beliefs the individual is the measure of all things
>is objectively a left-wing ideology
Holy fucking shit we're hitting Dugin-level of cognitive dissonance and schizophrenia here
>Right has nothing to do with 'traditionalism' you dipshit.
what is right wing about then?
>freedom comes from having only one choice, the choice I want you to make.
>muh anybing I bont lik ib leftwing
>muh anybing I bont lik ib controlbeb obisition
These conservatives are extremely fucking cringe worthy. What the fuck is prager university anyway?
Your ideology is a contradiction. What happens when private companies get enough power to become feudal overlords? You revolt against them? Theres no fundamental difference between a private company and any other constellation of power.
Dugin is based. Top philosopheer together with Zizeck
you are part of the problem why society is collapsing
Fascism is something else entirely that predates the left/right dichotomy.
It might not have been called Fascism but certainly monarchs of the past operated in such a manner.
A man can easily be free in a Facist Nation State. The question is whether or not your interests run contrary to the nation as a whole. Do your own thing, but do not hinder the nation.
The bank purchases all the land, owner ship is now designated by the man with the most wealth. Who now decides that him and his thugs 'that evil collective' will not want you on his property because it hinders his property rights.
>t. literal retards who don't understand the most basic political compass
Fascism is socially far right, economically centrist.
In the typical 2D political grid you can be left/right and authoritarian/anarchist.
Fascism lies between left and right but on the very top of the authoritarian scale.
True centrism, like you claim is obviously in the middle of both scales.
Read Right wing is about economic and political freedoms of an individual and the right of an individual to pursue his own happiness and his own values above the values of some vague collective (be it class-based like commieshits or nationality-based like nazishits).
Libertarian-left and Authoritarian-right quadrants are both oxymoron; any left-based economic principles are directly tied with more authority (and one cannot exist without the existence of another), just as any right-based economic principles cannot be achieved without the gradual drop in the size of the state. To the right of centrism lies classic 18th century liberalism, then gadsden libertarianism, and finally anarcho-capitalism (or just anarchy, since the only anarchy that does not contradict itself and can exist in a free market based one).
>socially far right
Wtf I’m a fascist now. Thanks, Hungary bro.
All opinions ARE valid, in consideration, they are also equally valid in being wrong.
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Communism is individualist.
>The capitalists are screwing ME out of MY fair share. If I band together with my fellow workers we can make them give us EACH what we deserve.
>Right wing is about economic and political freedoms of an individual and the right of an individual to pursue his own happiness and his own values above the values of some vague collective .
but this are not traditional right wing views in fact most of this are left wing
>To the right of centrism lies classic 18th century liberalism, then gadsden libertarianism, and finally anarcho-capitalism
this thing have been traditionali seen as left wing , on what do you base your views of left and right wing?
It's right wing. Right wing is NOT about "liberty". That's a nebulous concept that everyone has a different definition of. Ancaps say that lack of gov't intervention is freedom. Communists will say that their system is true freedom because wealth distribution allows more people to have more choices in life or something.
No, what Right Wing ACTUALLY means is hierarchy.
right = hierarchy.
left = equality.
Fascism is also called third position, but this refers to being a mixed system that is neither communist nor capitalist. This is a separate axis from left vs right.
So in other words fascism = far-right third positionism.
also, (((PragerU)))
By the same measure, Christianity is left wing.
>You have free will to act how you want
>But acting the wrong way sends you to Hell for eternity
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#dolby #normally
go back to 2chan you disgusting liberashka. Stalin and Putin are based saviours of the white race
>this thing have been traditionali seen as left wing
>but this are not traditional right wing views
What fucking rock have you crawled from where you have these 'traditions', so detached from reality? You sound like yet another lover of Dugin-tier schizo shit.
The Real Right is based on tradition,natural law,metaphysics, and aristocratic elitism.
>right = hierarchy.
>left = equality.
Thank you, I'm so fucking sick of lolbertarians and their degenerate ilk trying to deny this very simple and easy to grasp concept.
Both equality and hierarchy can be natural (merit-based) and unnatural. Only a free-market system that has no big daddy to help out pathetic faggots who have nothing to show other than their belonging to some (((specific group))) (be it class, race, nation or whatever else) can actually determine the natural hierarchy, which comes as a result from a natural equality (equality of opportunity, not equality of results).
So yes, right-wing IS about liberty, because without liberty your hierarchy is total shit that has nothing to do with real merit.
which is right wing because natural order and aristocratic elitism or monarchy are expressions of hierarchy. Everything on the left is based on destroying natural hierarchy and trying to force various forms of equality
Fascism is a solution to the tragedy of the commons that has run roughshod over our hyper-individualistic society.
>Is Fascism Right Or Left?
Any authoritarian government, right
or left, that uses force to impose it's
laws, is by definition fascist.
Thanks for coming out as a 15-rouble vatnik, Ivan, but Kristina will definitely not give you a bonus blowjob for such poor performance.
#Surkov #Sucks #Kadyrovs #Dick
Violations of the NAP can morally be dealt with with force. The government claims monopoly on force, without that you can't become an overlord.
>you can be free as long as you don't annoy the collectives sensibilities
not an argument
Everyone interprets their own system as having the most liberty. The point I'm making is that it's a nebulous concept that you can't use to define your side of the political spectrum. It's like saying "well my personal favorite system is defined by being right and the other system is defined by being wrong".
Name one country that doesn't use force to impose it's laws.
>economically centrist.
>Communism
>Individualist
Logic error at line 1: Faggotry detected.