DRAGON BALL SUPER

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So is Vegeta's Quake of Fury a SS boost or a SS2 boost? Vegeta have no sparks when fought Beerus in BoG and Toriyama said they can be stronger using their SS form instead SS2 and SS3.
Toyotaro also drew sparks on Vegeta but as we saw in chapter 19 with SS Black Toyo is in that "I give him a SS2 aura to represent how unnaturally powerful is he" thing that Toriyama did with super perfect Cell

I LOVE BEERUSSAMA!!!

I LOVE BURAKKUSAMA!!!

Reminder LSS will not happen in the manga, she's Super Saiyan Green and Toei made her bulky in the anime because Broly

you realize the one on the left is drawn by the toei artist right

so?

>designed by toyotaro

Toriyama is such a lazy fart.

>Toyotaro designed the best Gods

Toriyama is a hack

so we know Hit,Cabba,Frost and Magetta are going to be in the next arc but what about Botamo
does anyone even want this guy back

MATA KISAMA KA TORANKSU!?

>Trunks survived, but how?

>Toyotaro: There's some useful characters overthere, you know. Based Shin used his time ring and teleporting powers and saved Trunks and Mai from an insured death
>Toei: lol who cares he just did it now see this gag with future Yajirobe

OK Toei's writtin is so shitty that isn't funny anymore.

>teleporting from 2 villains that both can teleport

If it wasn't for ring outs he'd be unbeatable. U6 is stupid if they leave him out. Hopefully he gets a fight that doesn't look like hot steaming dog shit this time.

Let's talk about some Dragon Ball plotholes/inconsistencies? I'll start:

>Old Kai stated the person who sealed him inside the Z sword was weaker than Buu
>It was fucking Beerus

>teleporting from someone that can teleport too
>flying away from someone that can fly too
>running away from someone that can run too

Yeah all those are totally bad ideas I guess I will never run away from people who have functional legs too

He actually said strong and evil, but not as evil as Buu

>inb4 no muh translation is right
Still not a plothole, Beerus could be weaker than Buu when he sealed the old Kaioshin

>Beerus could be weaker than Buu when he sealed the old Kaioshin
No

It took a planet full of energy to defeat Kid Buu. It took six Saiyans to get Beerus to use 80% of his power.

so Beerus before he became a god of destruction

This translation is wrong. Of course there is a plothole if you read fanfic garbage.
Offical viz here

but why was Beerus scared of elder Kai

Elder kai was the supreme kai at the time, maybe he was worried he would die and decided to give himself immortality.

Maybe when he saw that he became old because he fused wih the witch he thought didnt had much time left. So he sealed him.

>implying old Kaioshin isn't being cocky because he have "special powers"

> post chinese translated into english crap
> plothole plothole
(You)

he was "scared"

Even if the part where it says Beerus was weaker than Buu is wrong, the part where it says Beerus was scared of Old Kai didn't change.

There is a valid argument why he could be scared. If the old kai dies beerus would die too.

Bringing back SSJ2 and SSJ3 in the Trunks saga seems to have thrown away Toriyama's earlier comments about SSJ surpassing SSJ2 and 3. So, it might as well be SSJ2, even if originally it was intended to be just SSJ.

>believing bullshit that old Kai said to look cool

>Frieza was brought back to life by the Dragon Balls 20 years after his death.

The dragon ball rules got rewritten when dende became god.

Did Toyotaro design Captain Ayy LMAO, as well? That would figure since he actually has muscles.

But Goku literally wants to check Trunks' strength and show to him the next levels of super saiyans that was the only time he used SS2 and SS3 again, they don't even use SS2 at Champa tournament

The "1 year limit" was mentioned when they were talking about resurrect a lot of people, there's no reason to think you can't resurrect ONE single person if more than a year passed

He is lying because old kai is a dick. I loved their interactions in Xenoverse 2.

He wanted to show him his power to allow Trunks to compare him with Black - and he couldn't use his god forms because then Trunks wouldn't be able to sense him. SSJ3 is clearly presented as his strongest non-god form in that context.

We don't know how designed the gods and Kaioshin yet.

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>Ayy LMAO
Shown in v-jump was designed by toei.

Was this canon?

So we are agree? Goku using SS2 and SS3 was a thing only in his battle with Trunks (but Toei stretched it with SS2 Goku vs Black and SS2 Goku vs Zamasu) so if "Quake of fury" Vegeta's boost is supposed to be different from SS2 Toriyama is being consistent with that "no more 2 or 3, only basic SS and god power" thing.

Where? We see a drawing of Ayy by Yamamuro but they said was designed by he?

Why is the elephant and mouse not gods of opposing unisverses

They posted a Toei design sheet for them, that doesn't mean they were necessarily designed by Toei/Yamamuro. They've said nothing about their designer yet.

>Toriyama is being consistent with that "no more 2 or 3
No ss2 and ss3 still exist

It originally was. Basic concept came from Toriyama which is why it got referenced in BoGs.

But there's some weird licensing issue involving it, which is why they dropped it from Super.

It still shows that SS3 > SS1 though, unlike what Toriyama claimed initially.

Captain Ayy Lmao is on fucking steroids.
Brolyna on the other hand was a disappointment

>tfw no giant amazon waifu

I think Tarble was offhandedly mentioned in Battle of the Gods. But then again, Launch also cameoed here and she's nowhere to be seen in the main series soooo

Those three are just opening fodder. If the arc is going to be long I wouldnt expect toei showing the final boss right away. Also toryiama is not very fond of any muscleheads being the final product. Maybe fatcow is much stronger then expected.

>there's some weird licensing issue involving it
Source?

Of course they could improve their ss states like trunks did with his ss2 to reach a level that is equal to goku's ss3 but I think goku and vegeta rather focus on improving their base so that when thei turn blue they are stronger and since blue has a restart debuff its difficult to train in that form.

Toriyama never said SS2 and SS3 would be retconned, user, just that Goku and Vegeta realized they will become stronger if they focus on the "main forms" (literally the same thing Goku and Gohan did at Cell arc).
If Goku just used SS2 and SS3 against Trunks because reasons () and Vegeta's boost is supposed to be part of his regular SS form, then Goku and Vegeta are using only main forms as Toriyama said

Toriyama didn't say SS > SS3 only that they will improve better if they focus on main forms. If Goku/Vegeta focus on train his base and SS (and Blue) form he will grow stronger but if they use SS2 of course they will be even stronger but they don't should it, as Goku growed stronger at Cell arc by focusing on SS. Goku could have used "grade forms" to become even stronger but the point is use the main forms and forget others.

No JUMP Festa special has ever been licensed outside of Japan - neither Dragonball's Son Goku Returns, nor any of Naruto's various specials.

If you want to know the specific reason I can't explain, but it's not just lack of interest in that one DB special.

But he wasn't talking only about training, he was talking about how those forms would be surpassed and wouldn't be used anymore for combat, which doesn't make sense if they're still stronger than SSJ1, which still is used sometimes.

>improved SS2 form meme
Trunks base is stronger than Goku's no matter how much you dislike it

Wouldnt it be easier to go with goku's plan? Mystic gohan would have been able to handle kid buu easily.

Well, at least Brolina is still a hotter dyke than Videl

best wife

>he was talking about how those forms would be surpassed and wouldn't be used anymore for combat, which doesn't make sense if they're still stronger than SSJ1
Why not? It's the same they did with "grades".

but why would they

they had Champ with them
sorry
Satan had them with him

he was just a good guy and wanted people of Earth to be part of the kill when he could've just sneezed Buu to death

>Mystic gohan would have been able to handle kid buu easily.
Gohan is a serial jobber. Couldnt finish cell or buu right away without putting others people life at risk . He is not main hero material.

So they didn't mention Tarble because DBS was supposed to arrive on west where Tarble's OVA don't exist? That sucks

Do we know how is 17 apparently coming back?

Literally the whole cast of z-fighters are serial jobbers what are you talking about?

Vegeta knew gohans spirit was broken and he was in no shape to fight buu. Vegeta isnt autistic like goku, he wasnt fucking around in the afterlife either and knows gohan is too soft to be a consistently reliable warrior.

According to Toriyama 17 actually visit his sister sometimes so 18 probably told him everything about the tournament

Gohan is a retard. Everytime he gets the chance to do something useful he either pussies out or becomes a Frieza-tier sadist,

Gohanfags are just delusional

>whole cast of z-fighters are serial jobbers
Is trunks dare I say /our/ guy?

>Toriyama doesn't even do all the designs anymore.
How long untill Tori completely leaves snd super becomes Toyotaro's halfway canon version of GT?

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Most popular at the moment are female Angels that are not Vados and #18 with err... Smugpup in 3rd.

>Frieza-tier sadist
I know SS2 "teen" Gohan was bad but it wasn't that bad

>Zamasu not at the top

I BET NINGENS WERE BEHIND THIS

It has already started

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Why are only Beerus and Champa of the same kind? Aren't each duo supposed to be the same things? It's weird that they bothered making 5 other bran new designs ideas for the GoD when there are already so much characters to do for this tournament.

she is in the relaxed LSSJ mode (since she doesn't have the mental illness broly had). She has no muscles in base and SSJ would not give her muscles like that

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No, Champa and Beerus just happen to be twins. Champa isn't Beerus from another universe, they are brothers.

>Aren't each duo supposed to be the same things?
In ehat regard the same? They aint parallel to each other the only thing they have in common is the same planets/races but with different stories of evolution and history .

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I know that, just like Whis and vados are brother and sisters, shouldn't it be the same for every GoD and angels of the other universes?

>Trunks is apparently alone in the future during android arc even when there is an afterlife in DB
>Goku and piccolo (who would've had afterlife bodies) would've asked king kai to contact new namek to wish from their dragon balls (like what king kai did in the cell arc to bring ask them for dende)

Wasn't it that after a year, the balls would only resurrect the dead in the state they died? Like:

>Frieza chopped into pieces
>Cell as just a bunch of...cells
>Babidi as a headless body

And so on.

All angels are brothers and sisters though(probably), so that doesn't mean anything.

Also even if you interpret Toriyama's words as "some guy's SS can be be stronger than its SS2/3 form"... isn't that another hint of Vegeta's "quake of whatever" boost being a SS1 boost? As you think Toriyama said, it's an improved Super Saiyan Vegeta stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta a hypothetical Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta. Really seems like Goku and Vegeta aren't using his SS2/3 forms anymore.

>not canon shit
Wow nice fanfic

Stop trying to make any sense out of that. Retcon is retcon.

>trying this hard to trigger the other party
just give up you autists

Obviously not.

Except "relaxed LSS mode" doesn't exist, but nice headcanon to push she's a LSS even if she's doesn't look like one, user.

>Vegeta aren't using his SS2/3 forms anymore.
Vegeta literally used his ss2 against black in the manga. Stop this interview meme. Toryiama also said that there was no need for him to turn ssg again since absorbed it into his base yet he still did it.

I've got an easier explanation for all the inconsistencies, plot holes, retcons, and things that don't make sense.

Toriyama is a bit of a hack, doesn't remember what he previously did, and just makes up shit as he advances.

I bet Goku fucked Gohan in the time chamber.

Why not both? Bring Gohan to the realm to help keep Buu busy while Goku is charging the genki dama.

>isn't that another hint of Vegeta's "quake of whatever" boost being a SS1 boost?
No thats yoou spouting shit from yoir little headcanon brain. Stfu already with your nonsense

>Except "relaxed LSS mode" doesn't exist
LSSJ didn't exist before this, but nice headcanon. We already know her LSSJ rage mode exist thanks to previews

>a bit
Understatement of the century.

>Wasn't it that after a year, the balls would only resurrect the dead in the state they died?
Huh no? Where is that from?
Shenrong just doesn't want reconstruct Freeza body, don't you remember Krillin's body was reconstructed by Porunga as an special favor?

remember when you needed your real life body to get an after life body, but then vegeta had his body back in the buu arc even though he was reduced to dust