Alright ancap niggers, you've mostly convinced me. However, there are some big issues that I've never seen answered could you give me the red pill if you please?
>what stops addiction epidemics?
>what stops Beijing tier pollution?
>what stops people from forming local governments that eventually take more land and form countries, thus landing us back where we started?
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Jeez, thanks for the replies guys
Bump 4 u, big boy.
1. Death
2. As soon as the pollution someone produces enters someone else's property, they've violated the NAP and are open to reprisal.
3. Only consent, good sir. And guns.
>what stops addiction epidemics?
They die
>what stops Beijing tier pollution?
you buy air insurance
>what stops people from forming local governments that eventually take more land and form countries, thus landing us back where we started?
we do, with guns
>only consent
So, if people do consent, then its ok that the ancap situation is over, just like that?
what if the child consent?
your mind is easily controlled isnt it
It's perfectly fine.
If, in your scenario, literally every person consented to selling their land and creating a government that snowballed into a larger organization, then yes.
And what if only enough consented that they could just overpower the rest?
>voluntary programs such as those a lot of churches and groups do now on top of people refusing to associate with junkies thus creating a social environment that dicentivizes drug use
>companies will likely be more mindful of the harms they cause because they’ll either lose consumers if they pollute too much, or they’ll violate the NAP with their waste
>nothing stops people from voluntarily forming governments and whatever community arrangements they wish - as long as they don’t use aggression, in that case, security companies and an armed populace will be able to defend themselves from foreign aggressive actors
Pretty hard to do that when a man could privately own and launch a tomahawk missile at your fledgling country for violating his freedom.
You basically enter a stalemate scenario of dozens of simultaneous coldwar fiefdoms.
Any form of anarchism will inevitably lead to some form of government.
It just happens when a population gets large enough.
I’ll ignore the moving of goal posts, but in that case, security firms and professional mercenary armies can be hired and used for defense, along with local militias
Best answers ive gotten. On that note, if it was only regional and not worldwide, what would stop some China or some other country with a strong unified military from invading?
only so much i can do while drunk and tired m8
>what stops addiction epidemics?
u do know that the cia and many gov officials profit and actively bring drugs over the border right? that's why after the we occupied the me, we started getting those heroin epidemics
what is to stop epidemics in ancapistan though? all drugs must be brought over and stored in private and mostly by illegals and feds. in the first place, people must be invited to someones property in the first place thus accountability would be existent, and if that man starts selling drugs then the local militia would undoubtedly step in, if not the neighbors who are affected, as in any covenant founded for kin, that would be a big no-no.
>what stops Beijing tier pollution?
private environmental organizations, if i or you were to own a city, it would be natural for yourself to set pollution standards, and allow private orgs to help, in exchange for whatever.
>what stops people from forming local governments that eventually take more land and form countries, thus landing us back where we started?
others, think that if walmart would try to take land and establish a state, EVERYONE else has vested intrest to see it not happen, costco, bestbuy, amazon, walgreens, chase, and every mom and pop, would oppose and boycott them, its so dramatic an event, that even every lowdown scumbag that only care for himself would loot and rob them, as it is now socially acceptable. this is the reason even kings had to play politics
isnt a totalitarian authoritarian regime technically being a commie? specially if you consider the theory from Hans-Hermann Hoppe on how the distribution of private property should be according to blood lineage? so pretty much -as far as I get from the mises institute videos and readings- ancapism is a way of saying neo-monarchies.
Children are property, they only have as much rights as their parents give them.
Personal scud missiles and tomahawks and Apache attack helicopters. Like, all military grade weaponry would be available for literally anyone, and a more prosperous people would be able to hire military contractors and security firms to help in the defense against foreign aggressors. Not to mention that an eventual ancapistan would probably be a valuable hub of wealth and tech due to the absence of any regulation, which would likely make an attack garner a negative response from the international community at large
i think children are moral agents from conception
thus abortion cannot be done without violation the nap, as sex is consensual, thus a contract is made between you and your child
ancapistan is starting to sound a lot like somalia
we're not niggers, no reason to fight
reminder that only the browns make gangs
Yeah, because Somalia is totally a hub for tech and wealth and not a den of absolute low IQ corruption and the complete absence of the very notion of property rights. And before you come with the “the government exists to protect property rights” meme, voluntary arrangements for the protection of property also exist and are much more efficient, and more importantly, more moral than anything government can do.
Genocide. To all 3.
sure if everyone's dead there would be no conflicts.
but try not to be retarded
Because it is. Ancaps are basically of the position that white Somalia would work, even though without government there's literally nothing to enforce NAP violations other than violence
This. Not to mention Walter Block’s argument in regards to eviction. When someone enters your property without consent, first and foremost, a non-violent and peaceful physical removal must be done before resorting to violence. In other words, you can remove the fetus, but you can’t kill it. So the eviction can only happen in a moral way once the fetus is viable thus being able to be voluntarily put under someone’s care.
>Implying mafia and machiavellic conspiration for power isnt totally a white thing
well we already fake wombs, perhaps in the future abortion can done without killing the kid
Oh then what are children in a liberarian society? Ask yourself that, as they aren't moral agents. The work around for this is that they are property. So its completely acceptable in a libertarian society to have a child sex water park as they are nothing more than property. Slavery is also legal under lolbergism. Its voluntary slavery, but thats still slavery. This ideology is pure shit user.
Because private judication and security companies don’t exist, right? Somalia’s problem is not an absence of an state, but rather the inexistence of the very concept of property coupled with a population with the IQ of a 9 year old.
Cybernetic Totalitarianism is the future.
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
Embrace the Singularity.
This too. Without the hurdles to medical research, this could very well be an available option.
there is a difference from organized crime and street gangs, the cartel situation in mexico should illuminate you to this.
machiavellian conspiracy is only possible in places of power, family and business, and organizations. if government doesn't exist then that one less thing to worry about
ALL ANARCHY ENDS IN TYRANNY
Can you demonstrate moral agency at conception? How can a being that can't exist pre conception form a contract simply by starting to exist? Are you saying that every time a person has sex they're agreeing to unspoken terms about child rearing?
Ancaps absolutely retarded
>Can you demonstrate moral agency at conception?
Yes. I cried knowing you were in the world with me
tell me then what would fully functioning ai, have as incentive to supply us with unlimited pleasure?
they wouldn't there would never be a singularity as that would imply post scarcity, and to do that you'd have to break the basic law of physics, to get you give
Aw how cute. You self identify with a utopian political ideology that will never happen but you subscribe to it anyway because you enjoy the "thrill" of being edgy.
Because, you know, being a fat virgin neet and all doesn't satisfy the desire to be "cool" in real life.
Keep up the good work buddy! You'll move out of your parents basement some day!
you forgot to take off your funposting flag
Slavery cannot be voluntary. The very concept of slavery demands that there is coercion on one of the parts. And the reason why there wouldn’t be child sex parks is because social pressure and community would play a much more promeninent role than it does now. A lot of functions that should belong to a community have been put in the hand of the state which enforces then through violence as opposed to voluntary association and ostracism. The idea that ancapistan would be an hedonistic hell hole is simply moronic because such lifestyles have a heavy correlation with welfare states that give support and a safety net for those who engage in such lifestyles.
Nope. But I can see you did. Either that or you're a fucking idiot.
Probably the latter.
Awww you self identity with A ideology that will never work because you have no moral standards and want free shit because you will never amount to anything
>Have you heard of arbitration user? By they way, there's no way these security firms will produce war lords the second they control territory
The problem with ancap is the inherent contradiction of the NAP. Violating NAP is almost always profitable
>Can you demonstrate moral agency at conception?
there has been video evidence of aborted fetuses avoiding the vacuum as only a clump of cells. was old news so maybe you've seen it, also there is some esoteric shit i believe that is reflected in the form the cells take while multiplying.
>How can a being that can't exist pre conception form a contract simply by starting to exist?
because the parents agreed by fucking, and the child agreed by being concepted, its not like the sperm doesn't know what to do, and the egg as well.
> Are you saying that every time a person has sex they're agreeing to unspoken terms about child rearing?
what the fuck else is sex for, anyone that fucks for fucking's sake, knows that kids are gonna happen, so when you do you. You also willingly take that risk, kinda like joining the military, parent's can't sue for their adult child willingly risking himself in battle
Looks like someone wants a free helicopter ride.
>will never work
Maybe the most retarded thing I've read today. Good job.
>what stops addiction epidemics?
>what stops Beijing tier pollution?
>what stops people from forming local governments that eventually take more land and form countries, thus landing us back where we started?
Uh, the Microsoft death squads? Those are clear violations of the NAP.
you are aware you are a communist making fun of an ancap for having a shitty ideology?
Consent to sex is a consent to procreation because that’s what sex is for. Is your brain that rotten by public school stupidification? Whereas consent to sex is a consent for procreation, measures can be taken to prevent procreation from happening. But at the core of it, as fun as it is, sex is for having kids. The reason sex feels good and can be engaged recreationally doesn’t change the fact that it is ultimately for procreation.
so whats happening in venezuela? oh thats right, socialism that failed. but it wasn't real marxism right?
1. nothing
2. land owners
3. we neo-fuedalism now
Doesn't ancapistan naturally tend towards the creation of states?
Not violating the NAP is much more profitable. It was trade and commerce that drove humanity forward, not violence and war. Only an absolute psychopathic moron would think otherwise. You think like an actual nigger.
YOU may think it's shitty because of your addiction to McDonalds and Minecraft. How how ever could one live without consumerism!?!?
Socialism works quite well thank you very much.
This is wht ancapism is perfect
>not a single refutation or argument in sight
why is it always a fucking leaf? the day of the rake can’t come soon enough, enjoy mudasir’s cock nigger
No because they dont call it that.
>Equating survival instinct with moral agency
So you're saying any clump of cells that reacts has moral agency?
>Parents agreed by fucking
Hold on ancap, how can an action be acceptance? Especially if I specifically contract with someone who supposedly can't get pregnant, for sex, explicitly for the purpose of pleasure? Ancap freedom of contract means I can do this as long as both parties agree, right?
>Why have sex
For physical pleasure. What if the individual lied or failed to maintain birth control sufficiently? That's breach of contract where the remedy required would be abortion
>YOU may think it's shitty because of your addiction to McDonalds and Minecraft. How how ever could one live without consumerism!?!?
how your 4pol adventure treating you left/pol/?
i see like projecting, i have a projector that i like playing vidya on movies on, do you have a projector you use for similar purposes?
>Socialism works quite well thank you very much.
tell that to the venezuelans, or the russians, or the ex-ussr countries. or the cubans that left castro's cuba. or the to the business competition of the oligarchs in the usa
>personal cruise missiles
>personal apaches
the fantasies of a 12yo. you're too stupid to argue with. what kind of a fucking tool believes that?
You forgot about the pedophilia, OP.
>Alright ancap niggers, you've mostly convinced me
>mostly convinced me
>MOSTLY CONVINCED ME
lmao, subhuman
>what stops Beijing tier pollution?
muh moralish mutual benefit in a capitalistic society, of course duh, what else?
>Are you saying that every time a person has sex they're agreeing to unspoken terms about child rearing?
That’s exactly what you are doing when you have sex you fucking brainlet.
spurdo yankee tries to go on a philosophical journey about- oh wait muh anomy
You communists are so dumb. You never lived in a post communist country. You don't know how things work. You have no clue about how people think. you are a tool.
>do you have a projector you use for similar purposes?
No. I have a life.
>tell that to the venezuelans, or the russians, or the ex-ussr countries. or the cubans
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>Live in community A
>Produce moderately profitable Enterprise that sells product
>Dump waste in River
>Community B uses River as drinking water
>Community B uses competitor to supply same product I produce, for cheaper
>Arbitrator from community B declares NAP violation, demands I stop dumping
>I refuse
Ancap solution?
I suggest you look up the word irony.
>muh venezuela
>money is power, i am a tool of it but i will never get rid of it cause ideology l o l
>what would fully functioning ai, have as incentive to supply us with unlimited pleasure
Kek. It won't. Comply or die.
>Socialism works quite well thank you very much.
Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhaa
>So you're saying any clump of cells that reacts has moral agency?
since its human yes
>Hold on ancap, how can an action be acceptance? Especially if I specifically contract with someone who supposedly can't get pregnant, for sex, explicitly for the purpose of pleasure? Ancap freedom of contract means I can do this as long as both parties agree, right?
didn't read my post did you?
if you take the job as a prostitute, and then become pregnant, then you can't just chimp out and cancel the new contract made, when the parents fucked, and the child concepted.
>Especially if I specifically contract with someone who supposedly can't get pregnant, for sex, explicitly for the purpose of pleasure? Ancap freedom of contract means I can do this as long as both parties agree, right?
abortion? no because now there is another life involved, even if she supposedly couldn't get pregnant, you still fucked and made the child, thus signing a new contract, even deeper than pen on paper, you sound like a materialist, so wouldn't expect you to understand the difference
>Why have sex
>For physical pleasure.
that wasn't what i said, just because you have sex for pleasure doesn't magically make not about procreation, that's just how sex works
> What if the individual lied or failed to maintain birth control sufficiently? That's breach of contract where the remedy required would be abortion
you cannot abort, as that would violate nap, the life of another can never be regulated by contract, slaves and thus child markets are not allowed as it violates nap
this is basic shit really
dude what ?
>utopian political ideolog
>irony
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how about u look up "reality denial"?
Fucking prove it then. And don't just point to the shittiest example because I can give you PLENTY of shitty capitalist countries.
>No. I have a life.
something tell me you do, as you really like projecting
>a woman's story disproves all the starvation, human rights abuse, and violence the state inflicted
you do know that when you are old, you view everything in your young years in a good light. its called rose colored glasses.
>projecting
awww, did someone read up on anna freud recently? cute.
The only reason anyone with enough money can’t have those right now is because of government regulation, if such regulation doesn’t exist, the only thing that would prevent someone with enough money from buying military grade weaponry is the manufacturer to refuse service. Everything that the government prevents you from having access to would be available due to the lack of a government. Is that such a hard concept to grasp?
hi ancom enjoying your stay on 4/pol/?
tell the rest of lefty i said hi
>a child accepted a contract to exist by existing
>You didn't read my posts did you
the absolute state of ancaps
no money is the problem in the first place.
kropotkin or gtfo faggot
>what stops addiction epidemics?
Technically nothing, but there woud be way way way less harm caused by drug addiction without drug prohibition. Pretty much all of the negative effects of drugs (even hard drugs like heroin) are a result of the drugs being illegal. There is nothing unhealthy about being addicted to a drug if you can eliminate the health issues.
>what stops Beijing tier pollution?
I don't have an answer to this one, I'm not actually an AnCap. That said, the answer is probably something along the lines of smog hurts people, so people would be less likely to support businesses that produce smog, therefore the free market would kill polluters.
>what stops people from forming local governments that eventually take more land and form countries, thus landing us back where we started?
The only thing I can think of would be that those not involved in the government would need to consent to being governed for that to work. If everyone consents, then it doesn't matter, but if they don't then the people not supporting the government could fight it with their guns, tomahawk missiles, and child prostitutes (kidding).
Nothing you retard. Ancap’s greatest failure that they fail to see is that it produces a monarchy of businesses, where the local monarchs are called CEOs instead of kings.
leftypol even gave you the money for a helicopter but you did this
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way to waste all that text and not say anything.
From the way you laugh i take it that you've never thought about the nature of life and what lies beyond your conscious very hard, have you?
Great. Owned by unaccountable rich people with weaponry instead of the government. Wow, what a huge improvement.
Does your mom know that you are still up?
HAHA that picture
>Marx was the creator of socialism
I bet that all you know about Marxism is what you briefly read from some conspiratorial picture on Sup Forums.
i'm not giving youtube shekels to commies
so whats the strawman you are presenting?
you do know how to make gifs right?
>Pretty much all of the negative effects of drugs (even hard drugs like heroin) are a result of the drugs being illegal.
>heroin
yeah except the thrill of hedonism that brought you to the drug and the withdrawal symptomes.
delta fosb is a bitch.
You should post a picture of the relative availability of food in those two countries.
>not watching this youtube vid, my view is worth about 0,00001$ or some shit
damn, thats some commitment if i've ever seen one.
hell, if u would put that into politics you might not have been a degenerate by now
Probably arbitrator from community A would object and a previously and voluntarily agreed upon third party would be called upon to decide in regards to the matter. If you understand how car insurance works, you’ll probably understand how policentric law would function. But ultimately, I don’t have all the answers because I don’t know all the ways people could find ways to solve their problems. I don’t know what solutions the market would give to adjudication and a million other issues and it would arrogance for me to presume to have the answers.
did i claim marx invented state intervention on society?
he invented however, and by that i mean adapted plato's observation of government and put economic titles on it. the idea that capitalism would lead to socialism to communism. it wan't even close to original though. as the more i read, the more i see any half brained political philosopher came up with the same theories
>an ancom calling an ancap a degenerate
i've been to your discords and websites, you aren't fooling me any
It will never really get to that extreme anyway.
Just remember that there is no reason to think that a state can do something better than a private company.
And that you have more power over private companies than the state.
>plato
>he idea that capitalism would lead to socialism to communism
yeah, i remember platos interpretation of hegelian dialectics, pretty good stuff
i havent much desu and i couldnt give less of a fuck.
talking about strawman lol