Sup Forums which religion is best? I've looked at Christianity, some Pagan religions, Gnosticism...

Sup Forums which religion is best? I've looked at Christianity, some Pagan religions, Gnosticism, and various eastern religions. Also listened to a bunch of Jordan Peterson's content which brought me as close as I've ever been to calling myself Christian, but still fell short. My issues are as follows:

> Christianity is more about pious allegiance than guiding wisdom, and I don't like its praise for submission and impotence. Its strength was its power to unify, but its universalism is quickly becoming a weakness. Is the Christianity of the middle ages more or less true to the doctrine than the faith today?
> Germanic Paganism is less domineering, foreign and soft, but it lacks orthodoxy, strong communities, etc. I have trouble believing in its potential as a bastion of civilization. Survive the Jive and Varg make it sound appealing, I guess.
> Greco/Roman Paganism is kind of larpy since nobody is doing it, but it at least has a proven track record as a foundation for civilized society, and it venerates strength and in-group loyaty. It just has no draw because the people who developed its mythology have since thoroughly rejected it for Christianity. Even on here, I've never seen a Greek or Roman pagan and that says something.
> Gnostic faiths are interesting, but they're also weird, and have all the flaws of Christianity but magnified tenfold.
> Kekism 2 esoteric 4 me

> Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, Wicca, Taoism, and other Abrahamic faiths are all squarely on my not-even-an-option list.

What's your religion, user? What do you like/dislike about it and why do you follow it?

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inb4 Nietzschean ubermensch make this thread their designated shitting street. I like religions as codecies ancestral wisdom and eternal truths. Your "God don't even real" shit isn't appreciated.

rakes are real

>eternal truths
>actually not true
You don't want ancestral wisdom you want feelgood quotes for your facebook page.

>wow look is another "which religion is best? start arguing amongst yourselves!!!" thread

Let's face it everybody was all unironically a bible reading Christian we'd have a near perfect society...

>Christianity is more about pious allegiance than guiding wisdom
I wouldn't say that. It's more about adhearing to certain morals, ethics and vitues so that you can further youself as an individual together with the rest of your community and family.
It does involve some form of allegiance yes. But remember, in christianity God is not your master, but your father

>if everybody would follow laws and morals all the time we'd live in a moral, lawful society
Why are christlarpers so smart?

Jedi - sorted.

>with the rest of your community and family
Yeah no it's about changing your life around and preaching the word of God to everyone who bothers to listen.

>But remember, in christianity God is not your master
This gotta be bait

How about christian neo-pagan warrior cultism? I mean that is my religion from now on.

Christianity because we created the European culture, while pagans were running around raping people. And don't fall for the Catholic/Protestant meme, these people are pope-worshippers and heretics. Also, don't fall for the "well sum facts about the world are untru in the bible therefore it is a completely false, useless book" meme. The Bible never aimed at accurately describing the world from a scientific perspective, instead it proposes the ideas of Jesus Christ, which also include the best moral code so far. The biggest asshats I've seen in my life were always atheist jews, while Christians were some of the nicest and pure people I've ever seen - kind, reliable, hard-working, generous.
Think of one thing our enemies all hate the most? Communists, soycialists, progressives, social marxists, globalists, jews, moral relativists, SJW's? It's Christianity, especially when it's not LIBTARDED by the commie pope.

Christianity is about a permanent transformation from a spiritually dead human being into a spiritually and eternally alive new creation in Christ Jesus.

Until you understand that, you cannot become a Christian, because you cannot knowingly consent to that permanent transformation.

If you want to know how to consent, Paul wrote of it in Romans 10:9-13.

ctrl + f -> islam -> no results found

kys pol. you deserve this degeneracy you hate.

I agree with you on this. If I ever go back to Christianity it will be to Orthodoxy. Catholicism and Protestantism have no appeal to me.

Better use of Matt 10 34 on this guys shirt.

>Yeah no it's about changing your life around and preaching the word of God to everyone who bothers to listen
>Obviously isn't interested in learning about the actual theology

>This gotta be bait
Humans are described as "Gods children". One of gods forms is the father.
You're thinking about islam, where they actualy DO describe God as the "master"

Shoo

Christ is coming back VERY soon. Hold out for true Christianity.

>Buying into the positivist meme

>One of gods forms is the father
>Obviously isn't interested in learning about the actual theology
How new are you that you think you're telling some new information you pathetic larper.
And God gets called master in the bible too.

Stoicism is a good start, and is the closest the west gets to buddhism. Read 'Culture of the Teutons' and you'll have a better idea of how Norse pagan community building will work along with the world view that the mystic aspects are made to support. Peterson's archetype work is highly applicable to Paganism, but for that just read Jung.

I'm considering looking into archetypal analyses of Germanic Paganism. Where should I start with Jung?

His essay on Wotan is good. But I'm not a great expert on his work. The Ausatru folk assembly is an organization in the US for pagans that might be useful.

Will look into it, thanks :)

Scientology

Vedic religion is best. But non Indians cannot do it, they don't have the spiritual backbone required.

So Church of Entropy for whites.

nothing else.

There is no god.
That doesnt stop you from using religion as a tool to unify and control people though. Not arguing with that.

Deism is the only rational answer.

Esoteric Kekism.

What's so wrong with controlling people? Have you ever seen uncontrolled people? They're called lunatics and we put them in boxes because they can't be trusted.

Hinduism or Buddhism are the only correct answers.

Tantric Buddhism for the enlightened few, Christianity for lumpen masses

Spot the degenerate.

Deism strikes me as having the weak points of religion without the strong points.
Whether or not there is a God, Christian morality is still useful. Deism throws out the baby and keeps the bathwater imo.

Deism needs a Chakravartin (leader). without it, it's a bunch of unsorted teachings and reclusive people. priests are (when not pedos) reclusive intellectuals. hence why Sup Forums is where I get most of my priests for the coming dictatorship from.

we're just better.

I thought deism was just to believe that a God exists, but to not claim to know that God.
Doesn't that necessarily preclude dogma?

Greco roman is the best for me. I share your opinion that it's weird because
nobody picks it, but that should not bare you from doing what you like. In addition
even if not many people do it, what is the risk?

Greco-Roman has the benefits of providing stoicism and other based philosophies
which can help you enjoy life, and generally be productive and fulfill yourself.

Catholic Church is subverted and doesn't teach the right way. I don't know if Orthodoxy is much better in that regard.

Yeah, it's worth more consideration. I just like the idea of being able to talk about this stuff with like-minded individuals. I'll be looking into it some more for sure.
It seems like the obvious choice from the pagan selection. Let me know if you've read any good books on the subject :)

I've heard conflicting accounts. Religion takes a back seat to ideology in the west these days so it sort of depends on the person.
It's definitely less subject to change by nature. That's how it came to be in the first place after all.

Of course that Protestantism is better.

>According to pagans, your family can be degenerate SJWs, sodomites, and communists who want open borders and hate every traditional value, but becoming their enemy is too far!!!
Absolute cuckoldry.

In the USA (Maine) there is a reconstructionist neo-roman movement,
called "Nova Roma". It's quite well developed I believe.

Other than this there is multiple online communities you should search for and
you can meet people IRL if they're close enough. I know of a few but they're mostly
French. It tends to get LARPish though but people tend to know a lot of things there
and you can find some redpilled communities of some sort, I'm sure.

If you can read Italian, the best place to start is this one: saturniatellus.com/
It clams to have inherited Evola's values. Nova Roma has good relationships with them.

I’m a Christian

Thanks, sounds promising, I will look into that.

ironically Islam is the religion of Sup Forums
Strong beliefs,Submissive women, no faggots or lgbt degeneracy, no smoking or drinking.

If islam was created in a white country if would be our religion

Btw Greece recently has quite a bit of reconstructionist movements
(YSEE, Ellinaïs, Societas hellenica antiquariorium).
There is even a movement called "Church of Hellenes" which aims to:
"To liberate Hellas from the dictatorship of the sect of nazarenes"

Overall, Greek Neopagan are often (national) socialists, whereas in the USA
most are retarded liberals IMHO.

Christianity is too, slash smoking or drinking, Jews just turned Church into a mockery of its former self.

Hmm. Not all pagan religions were destructive. The Greeks built modern society, the Romans expanded it, the Celts were the base the others built their philosophy on.

All pagan. Christianity only served to fuck the Romans and Celts up.

That's a shame, I would have expected it to come naturally to more staunch traditionalists. I'm sure it will happen eventually.

You're not wrong, friendo, it definitely fits best with the general temperament of the board. I don't see my values reflected in the brutality of Islamic culture though.

How far have they come in reconstructing celtic paganism? I've heard it's presented some challenges and is different from Germanic paganism.

The Celts had a prohibition on writing stuff down for a while, and the stuff that was written down was burned by either the Romans (Europe and Britain) or St Patrick. So basically, not good atm.

Really, this is the problem for Celtic paganism. Nobody really seems to know what they're doing, since all we got to work with are old Gaelic sayings and christian writings. This means that SJWs have subverted the concept to an almost irreparable state.

The only way the religion could be revived would be either through a) a book being found or b) a fucking Celtic pagan prophet coming (back) and shitting up modern society. Good thing the Dajjal (muzzie antichrist) is probably a Celtic pagan. Hopefully the story with him actually happens and we could have a Celtic superstate!

I can dream...

> Buddhism
Is actually great. You can dump the extraneous stuff. The core arguments go as:
"If the gods could/would save you? They'd have done so already. They haven't."
"IE, only you are responsible for your happiness/suffering."
"And desire is the root of suffering."
"IE, abandon desire, abandon suffering."

The rest is all meditation and story trying to teach you to not let your instincts/desires/impulses fuck up your own life.

It risks getting nihilistic - and I disagree with the compassion shit (which is derived from the Hinduistic roots, with all of humanity being part of a world soul) - but the core arguments are solid.

> Hindusim
Good to study simply for being ancient - and a proto-Indo-European cousin.

> Abrahamic Faiths
All trash. Full of contradictions. Symbols aren't inspiring.

Biblical Fundamentalists gave us the bullshit race definitions (black/white/red). Old/true/proper schema had Latin/Celtic/Nordic/Slav/Rus, etc.

> Paganism
Catholicism. Cliche. But the Romans told tribes "all our gods are the same - under different names because of different languages". They absorbed gods into epithets of the Pantheon. No need to offend or attack others.

The Christians did the same. "Oh, your gods are real - but they're ancestors and ancestor-cults, not the One True God." Christians were being inclusive to absorb the pagans.

Lots of good pagan gods hidden as Saints. Santeria is worth a glance for research.

Indo-European Mythology is also worth looking at.

Ancestor cults are the best start tho. And nationalistic.

You got problems with reading, I assume?

Yeah, Indo-European myth is where I'm thinking about looking. Main issue is that I want something that feels European, which I think Christanity does not -- I like it, it just has a lot of elements that I feel are discordant with the traditional western spirit. I like Buddhism as a philosophy, I just don't think it's for us. I'll have to do a bit more digging.

You're making it too complicated. Believe in the religion that has been within your family the longest, and twist it to suit your political conviction

>Hindusim
Unfortunately it's a religion carefully made to force people to stay in their place.e.g.
>You're just poor because you were shit in your previous live, don't do anything about it as you might be a worm in the next.
Their plentiful gods are simply an instrument to keep people divided.

I like Catholicism

Buddhism, hinduism, proto indo european, indo european sky god branches such as roman/hellenic/ibero-celtic/germanic/balto-slavic/celtic.

Kinda sounds like Plato's noble lie from the Republic.

you can't just "pick a religion", real life isn't a fucking RPG
I wouldn't be a Christian if I didn't have faith in Jesus Christ of Nazareth 2bh

None, should be used as a disciplinary mean to educate children what is good and what is bad.
Go Christianity (dark ages,medical times)-
gay=bad
rape=bad
Being tolerant=good
killing those who do not abide by your discipline(infidels)= good
degenerate sex addiction=bad

Never go full religious, it doesn't end well.
Also go light, let them be educated by themselves at age 15-16.
It's like Santa lie but more effective.

Let them educate themselves*

There are other ways of viewing religion besides a literal, materialist interpretation.

yeah
larping

I think if you're judging religions on likes and dislikes you're not going to get anywhere. Similarly if you are approaching religion looking for something that affirms your world view and doesn't challenge it you won't get very far either.

> religions as codecies ancestral wisdom and eternal truths

Wisdom like the golden rule? You need to believe in non-reality for that?

> Your "God don't even real" shit isn't appreciated.

Neither is your attempt to guilt people into believing bullshit that is beyond reality with "you were born imperfect and you should feel bad and defer to jesus" bullshit.

The most important thing you can do for the white race is keep your own life in order. Start with yourself. You must be competent, reliable, hardworking, and, above all, happy. Do people in your life trust and respect you? What does your family think of you? Are you capable of raising children? Racial politics doesn't have to be the only factor of your life. And if you can't achieve such things for yourself, then the chances are very high that you are not ready to be a political activist, either online or in real life. Because how can you make a difference for the race, for the lives of many, if you can't even make anything of your own, individual life? How can you make a real difference in society, when the greatest extent of your capacity is to be out-organized by jews on social media?

Always remember: we live in first world countries and have opportunity that most people born on this planet do not. Things aren't as good for us as they were for our parents. But billions of people in the third world would still kill to have the opportunities that you do right now. So take care of yourself! Work your ass off, every day, to build a good life for you, and for your family. Clear your mind of self destructive thoughts, and keep yourself focused on realistic goals. Work hard, but also do fun and wholesome things with real people in real life. That is very important. Nothing on the internet should ever take away from your real life

I agree to some extent, although I don't see any reason to abandon mythology and religion after passing into adulthood, even if only as tradition.
Those are very dense and very old stories, and there's a lot in them that we've forgotten and are prone to forget without them there to study and thereby remind us.

>Germanic Paganism is less domineering, foreign and soft, but it lacks orthodoxy, strong communities, etc. I have trouble believing in its potential as a bastion of civilization

I like reading Norse mythology and the Icelandic sagas and shit, but anyone who thinks they can make a religion out of that dead corpse is retarded. As far as it "saving western civilization" that's just hilariously sad that anyone would even consider that. It couldn't even save itself.

Even if you don't believe in Jesus Christ and you're just looking at religion from a pragmatic point of view, shoring up conservative Christianity is the only option we have.

if you have no faith then religious is just pointless 2bh

I feel your pain. Essentially, here's what I've come to conclude:

>we are motivated to seek the perfect religion not on the basis of its veracity, but on the basis of how well the religion would serve as a social tool to strengthen the future generations
>we are spoilt, and we understand that whichever religion we choose, we will force ourselves into it for the sake of our progeny, who would then adopt it with greater devotion
>what we essentially want is our own form of Judaism. by this I mean that we want a religion which would be focused on the preservation of our people rather than just being a happy-clappy spiritualist cult

Judaism is so artfully designed that even if you have a generation of "secular" Jews, their future generations can rejoin Judaism because they remember that they are ethnically Jewish.

Here are the main faults of our options:
>Christianity has the centralism of Judaism but ignores the book of Ezra (preservation of the race) because of the mental acrobatics going on in the New Testament
>Islam is a universalist religion which would end up mixing all muslims into a low-IQ melting pot as it happened in the Middle East
>Paganism is our own, but lacks a centralised message and a strong ethos. Neither does it have an intellectual scholastic/theological tradition behind it

I heard that the members of the NSDAP like Himmler were busy working on generating a special Germanic religion akin to Judaism, with a strong intellectual ethos. They knew that the Reich would not survive forever, but they knew that if they could forge that religion, they could ensure the survival of the German people for thousands of years.

Unfortunately, for the establishment of a religion you need to use force. First, you need an intellectual tradition—then you need force. I'm sorry for being inconclusive on this, but neither of the choices you have presented would suffice for the goals we know we all share here.

Yeah, I'm there with you. I also think there's a metaphysical ethical component which I could summarize by saying that religion is meant to be a dominant strategy for playing life as an infinite rather than finite game, usually refined through a natural selective process.
That last bit is what I'm most concerned with. A religion has to withstand the test of time before it can be considered in this way. Christianity has done so, but the underlying ethic of universalism corrupts it as you say. Paganism does not have this element, but did not survive.
It's a tough issue, and I wish I had a solution.

Good points, all of them.

I would challenge you on this though:

How can we ensure the intellectual strength and discipline of the future generations we foster? Surely, each individual man can do his best with each individual child, but without a spiritual basis we are left essentially with form without essence.

I am not a Duginist, but Dugin in one of his lectures brings up a strong argument for the essence of liberal "seculirization": he claims that this process is essentially the removal of the spiritual aspect (in this case, Christianity) out of the picture, while keeping all of the institutions which arose as a result of Christianity. Then, if anybody decides to question your morality, your ideals, your lifestyle, etc., or to claim that everything you believe in is a "social construct", you will be left with your mouth agape and very little in terms of defending your behaviour. A hedonistic argument will lead you down a different rabbit-hole, because then when asked why homosexuals shouldn't enjoy their sodomite parades or which siblings shouldn't engage in sexual activity so long as it is done consensually, you will also have no basis for disagreement.

What I am trying to say that you position, while being very good on a basic level, is very easy to erode if persistently questioned.

islam

Which branch of Christian are you referring to with your dumb statement?
Mormonism, southern baptist, pentacostal?
>Christianity isnt 1 denomination user.
>You havent even went to a church to ask the father/bishop/priest/pastor what they believe or teach
>You've made up your mind from (((YOUTUBE))) videos.
Lord Jesus, son of God, help this person find faith, let them see. Amen!

Yes, I suppose. The authoritative "thou shalt" seems like an irreplacable component, but from a rational perspective, I've puzzled out the answer as best as I can.

I we say that the objective of our behaviour should be to bring about the best possible chance of our survival across an indefinite period, religious ethics appear to be the best strategy for that.
That goal, ensuring our survival across time and not just in the here and now means altruism and soft collectivism should be our underlying philosophy.
That goal is the biological imperative -- the imperative our nature provides us with. Since our nature never changes (or at least rarely does), these values would be static and eternal.

Except we'd all be beggars unable to even defend ourselves because that'd be resisting evil with evil. The West wouldn't exist because it was built upon ruthless conquest and the earthly pursuit of wealth and power.

You should be glad Christians don't follow the Bible. Christianity was only worth anything because its central tenets were either ignored, misinterpreted, or intentionally twisted to fulfill secular agendas.

Ill add 1 detail i forgot.
Gnosticism is the idea that the more intelligent who seen the esoteric meanings will go to heaven, you dont need faith/love/charity to get there, only the knowledge.
Thats why its false, someone sells you a promise to get to heaven (usually for a fee) and you work up the ladder to finally receive the last hidden esoteric clue.
>But user, jesus layes it all out already. You dont need mountains of cash, a 210 IQ to know it.
>Its faith, love and giving back.

I don't know, OP. I've never met a Sikh who wasn't awesome.

>t. ypical modern germanistani

There are a couple of interesting books by Max Dimont (a Finnish Jew émigré to the USA), such as "The Indestructible Jews" and "Jews, God, and History" where he presents, from a Jewish position, the development of Judaism and how it came to possess the sneaky survivalist tools which it has. In the latter book, the idea he puts forth is that the first diaspora in Babylon was as a kind of "trial" diaspora, where the Jewish identity had almost been wiped out. When Cyrus the Great returned Judaea to the Jews, very few of them were interested in returning. Only a few intellectuals, among them ruler Nehemiah and rabbi Ezra facilitated the return and did their best to encourage the reestablishment of Jewish identity. There are books in the Tanakh named after those two, both closely related to the subject of the preservation of the Jewish race. I strongly recommend reading at least Ezra to get a good idea of what I mean.

Then, the Talmudic tradition is essentially the continuation of the "prophetic" tradition, which is a collection of stories about "prophets" who came out of the Jewish intelligentsia, and seeing when the Jews were being degenerate, warned them that God told them not to be such. When the degenerates didn't listen and everything went to shit, the prophets would have their "told you so" moment, and there would be an immediate return to Jewish piety among the general populace.

We may not have the answer yet, but we can begin by studying those who have succeeded in what we are trying to achieve.

I was referring to Catholicism and Orthodoxy. I'm not a fan of the Protestant branches, they strike me as divorced from the traditions. Seems strange to me to suggest that the Bible had to be interpreted for its "real" message 1400 years after the fact.

Also, Gnosticism is a set of Christian heresies, not a single idea. It can't be dismissed as such.

we need a pagan-esque pantheon of purely symbolic deities, representing possible ideals and motivations of followers, encouraging variety of thought
these deities arent really seen as "real" or worshiped, but are used as personifications of ideals and would be referenced in conversation and literature, depicted in artwork, basically just used as a way to integrate a public symbol of one's ideals into day-to-day life

we need a christian focus on community and family, churches for social interactions, holidays blah blah. good for creating a strong society

and of course we need a way to strongly connect it to our people, like judaism as you said

Christianity
>What do you like.
It's a call to protect the meek, weak, and frightened. It's a comforting promise that this isn't all a mistake, or a winking nightmare at the edge of a vast, uncaring, eternal nothingness. Jesus was asked why he took his supper with tax collectors, sinners, and undesirables. His response was that it was for them, explicitly, that he came to earth for, and that it was for them, explicitly, that he would die. The difference between this and other faiths is that God came down and then did the damned walking himself, just to show us how it's done.
>What do you dislike.
The terrible hubris that afflicts most protestant preachers, especially the ones who are educated and wealthier than most. Dancing, alcohol, women's pants. All things that they'll kick up 7 types of Hell over in spite of being perfectly permissible by biblical standards. The verse prohibiting women from dressing as men, for instance was meant to outlaw pagan rites that involved crossdress. Violation requires that the clothing be considered in its context as belonging to the opposite gender. Chinese women, for instance, who've been wearing pants for thousands of years, are not breaking it. There is no room for error with sequined, close-fit jeans either.
That's not saying that I don't prefer girls in pretty skirts (they downright drive me up the wall, if I'm honest with you). It's saying that I don't have a lot of patience for a popinjay in a suit humiliating my tomboy of a sister over the matter.

oriental christainity

So NatSoc

>What's your religion, user?
>why do you follow it?
i dont follow a religion

> What do you like/dislike about it
i like the fact that i dont have to follow it but the main part is honesty, i cant lie to myself and it puzzles me to see people who can lie to themselves.

i support jeansology

>Christianity is more about pious allegiance than guiding wisdom

How about No. Christianity is much more deep and has science to back it up.

Gnosticism is close to Paganism, idk why you would separate them.

youtube.com/watch?v=cMu5F2icsT8

Christianity is the only way, haters btfo! (that includes jidf posters portraying as pagans too)

I will give those a look, that seems like a wise way to address the issue.
Of course, at the same time, one has to ask how much of the central jewish ethic one would have to adopt to find their success, as that's something I would have some opposition to doing. Certainly though, there is something to be learned of resilience from their tradition.

Gott ist tot

I agree with this to some extent, but it's also possible that worship has certain benefits, specifically in regards to self-discipline, even if the "worship" is not done in the name of piety to a tangible being.
For instance, animal sacrifice could well have acquainted people with the idea of giving up something useful now for future reward -- not even intentionally, just incidentally. As in, that ritual was behaviour which continued because it had benefits on people's development. Not that I'm advocating it.

oh right i forgot the dislike part.

I dont like how ignorant people misrepresent my position and then talk shit about it.
not once have i talked to a religious person about my position without him constructing a strawman of some sort.

I am glad to see some people undergoing concerns similar to my own.

If we are to solve this question we should use the flexible interaction which this platform allows, but act individually.

As we have seen, the centralistic nature of Judaism allows for there to be an "ethereal centre" for the Jews, regardless whether they are scattered all across the earth or in one place. I agree that ancient names and symbols have to return into common use, but with a special meaning. Here's a problem which designing an actual spiritual tradition presents:

That which we can grasp with the mind immediately looses its grip on the subconscious.

If the tradition is to be explicitly "psychological", ie appealing to psychological archetypes or something purely symbolical, it won't have the power over the minds of the future believers as a fundamentally un-understandable doctrine does.

Then comes the problem of a religious pantheon: namely the lack of centralisation which, while it encourages multiplicity of thought, is immediately susceptible to the more doctrinal Abrahamic religions. (We can see that in China, where they have stuck with the spiritual doctrines of their ancestors, Christianity is the fastest growing religion. Never forget that Christianity was designed to succeed in overthrowing multifaceted spiritual traditions.)

i always liked funeral offerings as sacrifice
its more personal so it helps emphasize family/community
in the context of my post, perhaps funeral offerings and burial/cremation procedures could depend on the deities the person followed. this would require funeral goers to provide offerings that are appropriate for the ideals that the deceased believed in, helping to tie those ideals to the memory of the deceased
you die as you lived

in regards to self-discipline, i would not be opposed to less annoying practices such as short but regular rituals of a sort, perhaps fasting and diet practices

>Christianity only served to fuck the Romans and Celts up.

Romans did a fine good job of fucking up the Celts it seems. You said yourself they took part in burning Celtic knowledge, and lets not forget how the obliterated the Druids.

lol... preclude dogma. sounds pretty atheistic to me!!

religion is the source of knowledge/culture. embracing your worldview leads to nihilism. the highest perfectionment is knowledge.

what you're making is a vedanta copout: the end of knowledge exists therefore i must not gather any knowledge. this is falsified by the fact that you must acquire knowledge before you can transcend it. this can be seen firsthand in the recent interview between mouthy buddha and millennial woes. buddha comes off as a dumbass. spiritually worthless.

i used deism to mean 'universe worship'.

as a semi-solution to this, i would propose emphasizing the pantheon itself as a "supreme right/truth." while every individual follower aligns with one (or more) deities in accordance to their values, it is imperative that the entire pantheon is the most important

perhaps, rather than a traditional pantheon, we could have a single entity with multiple facets or paths, sort of like some of the more spiritual eastern religions
each of those paths represents on (or more) ideals/values, but they are all a mere part of the core entity