Wth? what does she mean by you can't travel to the same time line where you originally came to?

wth? what does she mean by you can't travel to the same time line where you originally came to?
what's with the wait a whole day crap?

That's not hard to grasp.

She is saying it right there. If she changes the settings they can't go back to Trunks' parallel word.

This whole "connection getting weaker" with no explanation seems unnecessary bullshit

If this is true, how did trunks arrive to the time of the android battle without aging 3 years from his first appearance?

I think that might be the manga version of the time machine getting shot by Zamasu in the anime.

But there's no rhyme or reason for it.

Zamasu might be the reason for the connection getting weaker. Remember that entire universe was destroyed, maybe Bulma was detecting that

That doesn't make any sense, and the universe isn't destroyed yet.

Probably it's just meant to be an obstacle to them, so they won't be able to make so many time travels like in the anime.

Maybe, but that's terribly shamelessly cheap.

Also it looks like Trunks is getting Super Saiyan Angry (lol) next chapter, how disappointing. I'd hoped it was written out when Gowasu and the Kaioshin took them to their planet.

If SSA gets a good explanation and if Toyotaro saves it for the ending, it might be pretty cool.

>tfw when Trunks not only reaches SSA, but also a completed SSB state.

That would be pretty awesome, but how would Trunks get SSB? By absorbing someone else's God ki (like say, Vegetto)?

It explains why Cell ended up coming back to the main canon.

what did Toyotaro mean by this?

>wth?
Fuck off.

>If SSA gets a good explanation
There is no explanation whatsoever that can justify Super Saiyan Angry. That's what Super Saiyan is. That's what Super Saiyan 2 is. It's dumb and has a dumbass name and it doesn't even look that cool.

He could just make up some explanation like, SSA is an "almost SSB" because Trunks absorbed some God ki or some shit.

What really bothers me is how Zen-chan is going to figure in all of this. If he destroys the timeline, they can't return to the future anymore after they escape. So what then?

The manga diverging from the anime is really interesting.

Goku has the Zeno button. And Trunks could go to that other timeline where Cell killed him.

>If he destroys the timeline, they can't return to the future anymore after they escape
They can still go back with the time rings.

Comparing anime Goku to manga Goku is funny as hell.

It's a Super Saiyan God bargain sale!

>Asks roshi to come with him
>Doesn't ask piccolo, who mastered not only the technique but it's counter just in case

Bravo Goku.

I doubt Piccolo would be able to seal Zamasu.

He would literally be the most likely candidate to succeed in sealing zamasu.

He'll probably justify it as a stage between SS2 and SS3;

They could just keep going back and forth constantly until they won otherwise. It's just closing a plothole.

That's literally what they did anyway.

True, but there's no drama if they can do it infinite times.

There was enough drama in the show version. This is just an arbitrary limit that doesn't really change anything, it's not like it's not risky to go there or that Zamasu and Black can't stop them (see: they busted the machine in the anime).

he fucked up. there is a timeline where future trunks never returned leaving the z warriors scratching their head

The machine is going back and forth between the ends of a fixed chronological point. One end comes out in the present, and the other in Future Trunk's future.

Moving the dial back or forth creates a new chronological point from which the machine will travel. In the same way Trunks going back created a new timeline, doing so would mean creating a new timeline again instead of helping the one that they're trying to help.

Funny thing is that timeline might have turned out better.

Maybe the more different the parallel universes become the farther they grow apart.

Might have to do with Zamasu and Black fucking things up in that timeline.

Which could lead to them meeting a completely different situation than what they expected to find.

Like how Trunks ended up finding androids 20 and 19 when he came back, while the androids 17 and 18 were way stronger but not evil.

It's to stop the obvious time travel Frodos like "if Goku Black keeps getting stronger as we're fighting him why don't we just go backwards to the point where he just started wrecking shit on earth but was super weak and oneshot him"?

No, that's what the "you can't change the settings" rule is for. I'm talking about the "this next trip is your last" rule, which is awfully convenient storywise and feels completely shoehorned in lorewise.

Also how did Trunks travel 3 years into the future after warning the fighters about the androids without aging?

Future Bulma probably knew how to change the settings in a way that Trunks could return to the new timeline he created.

It's a good thing that he isn't a fucking retard in the manga.

because back then it wasnt a pralell world yet.

It was a parallel world the moment he arrived. Hell, it was a parallel world the moment cell arrived a year prior.

Future Trunks was in the future. Our perspective as viewers showed him returning because we were in the offshoot created by him changing the dial. He was doing this without consideration for the issues it might cause either because he didn't know, or from his perspective it wouldn't change anything.

Zamasu and Black are different from the androids in that they're a confirmed multidimensional threat. Going to a different future at a different point might be convenient, but it creates an entire offshoot that will have its own independent Zamasu and Black that wil never be dealt with.

But according to bulma in this chapter, he couldn't change the dial because the "issue" it'd cause is being unable to align yourself to the timeline you created.
From his perspective, misalignment would simply take him to his own future's past.

He can never go to his own future's past, every time he creates a fixed chronological connection he's creating a new timeline. It's not on-off, but the creation of timelines. She says it herself; it moves to parallel worlds, but there's no way to regain the connection to a world that is different once you've changed the settings.

>He can never go to his own future's past
He should always go to his own future's past. He doesn't create a new timeline unless he changes something in his own future's past (i.e, arriving there really). Once he arrives, it creates a divergent timeline that is no longer his own past, and he's continued going to that same divergent timeline by keeping the settings, creating new divergent divergent timelines each trip.

That said technically he never visited his own timeline's past because he visited a separate timeline created by cell's trip. How they made that massive fuckup is anyone's guess.

In the same way that observation induces changes the very fact that Trunks went to the past is a change in the universe that creates a new timeline, regardless of whether he meaningfully interacts with that universe after doing so.

Right, but in theory any act of traveling to the past should take him to his own timeline's past in the first place (not accounting for trips taken with the same settings to precisely counter this effect).

Thinking about it, maybe that's why he visited cell's timeline? Cell's machine came from further in the future, but it would have had the same settings Trunk's machine used to go to the past, therefore landing him in the divergent timeline that was going to be created by cell's trip far in the future.

m-muh superior mango, s-s-suck it toeifags

>blue aura

Just ssj2 guys XD

The time machine is set between two points in time right now. It travels to the past, the main timeline, because Trunks has it set to that era. Then it returns to Trunks' present.

If they change the settings to go towards a specific date in the future they'll end up doing what Trunks originally did. Rather than jumping back to his timeline they'll be causing another split, and since they'd be resetting his side of the connection they'd lose access to his future forever. Meanwhile the two timelines are deviating so far from each other that they're reaching a point it's going to be impossible to keep depending on the time machine, since it's not really intended for multiversal travel.

It's a complicated explanation that's not perfect but it fixes some of the issues time travel naturally brings up, and at least gives some justification to why the fuck Trunks has been able to jump across parallel timelines instead of actually visiting his worlds' past.

Gowasu and/or Supreme Kai will give some of their God Ki to trunks this will massively boost him up.

DAILY reminder that this is her true hair color

Yeah, that would be better than another form triggered by rage.

Maybe he doesn't want to kill his son's father

So for every happy time line trunks left another one fucked, it's the steins;gate bullshit where trunks is just crossing over to the dimension where he's happy

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Honestly rather than a machine to travel back in time it's a machine with the potential to create parallel worlds depending on how the traveller affects the past, and (if the coordinates aren't changed) return back to the splinter timeline until the connection between both worlds is weakened (the connection strength between worlds might depend on how similar they are to eachother. Future Trunks's timeline during the cell saga wasn't that radically different with the main, but with everything that's happened it might have severely weakened the connection between the two)

She looks better with lavender hair.

>Like how Trunks ended up finding androids 20 and 19 when he came back, while the androids 17 and 18 were way stronger but not evil
I always thought the reason 17 and 18 went evil was having no goku to fight, and no 16
I also get the feeling that in the original timeline, Gero obtained real battle data on Goku cause he saw him fight frieza, which likely would have led to him activating 17 and 18 instead of trying to fight the Z fighters with him and 19.

I always got the impression that him changing the time he went back is what resulted in Cell's future timeline.
Trunks changing the dates meant that the timeline he went to originally continued on, having been warned about the androids but unable to stop them (since we saw here, without Trunks arriving, they would have lost) it proceeded the same way but with the androids eventually being defeated and Trunks was going to take a trip back to tell them how to do it when Cell killed him.
This also explains how in Cell's timeline, a Trunks had visited the past already for him to have the option of having Trunks' cells.
That Trunks was going to go back to the time that Cell ended up going to, which would have ended in the best timeline, with no one dying, but instead Cell went.
Basically, the "main" timeline is the one everyone showed up in because, for the sake of the plot, it's the interesting one.
How did Cell show up to the same timeline? That's because he went back BEFORE the timelines split.

but if that were true, that means trunks actually waited another 3 years before he came back to help against the androids.

pretty sure he didn't.

He was 17 during his first trip, and 18 (I think) when he came back. So he waited a few months or a year.

Hm, I dunno, if you think about it, it might only cause a problem on the return trip, and specifically if you return early
If you think about it, Trunks' time machine is from the future.
So let's call his timeline A
If he bounces back in time, it creates Timeline B.
Then he returns home to timeline A
then changes the time so he's not travelling in real time, back to timeline B. For him it's only been a year, but for everyone else in Timeline B it's been 3.
Timeline B would have occurred exactly the same in those 3 years regardless of how long Trunks waited, so changing the time coordinates wouldn't create a new timeline.
But, the NEXT time he travels, he leaves the coordinates set because he's no scientist, and doesn't want to risk screwing stuff up.
So he's going again from timeline A to Timeline B.
However, this time the return trip time coordinates could be reprogramming to go back immediately after they left, but that runs the risk of them getting it wrong. If they go back even a second too early, they create a new timeline (timeline C) and in that timeline, they'd have to reprogram it again to get back to Timeline B because it's making it's return trip.

I mean, these aren't specifics, I'm just giving broad examples.

But are the settings stored in a .properties an .xml or a .json?

Bulma is smart. It's json.

>toeishills are actually too retarded to understand a manga for kids

>Everything I don't like is a toeishill

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wrong

save this one

>people already forgot how was already established on chapter 14 they can't change the settings anymore just because future Bulma is dead

I hate this retarded fanbase

she wrote how to change them in notebook

There's no notebook in the manga.

manga is not canon, nice try tho

Try not using anime logic in a thread about the manga next time, you fucking retard.

>if you change the settings you get to another world
>cell changed to settings
>still arrives in the same world but even before Ftrunks

>manga gets to time travel
>now we have to deal with the combined autism of time travel arguments AND mangafaggotry all over again

>still arrives in the same world
But you wrong. The time machine cell stole from the trunks that he killed did not transport him to the same world in which that trunks got his blueprints from.

>anime is not canon
fix'd

Its not that fucking hard to get.
1.To travel to the same parallel world you can't change the configuration.
2.the connection of that world became weaker because we know from the anime that zeno is going to fuck it up.

>>cell changed to settings
He specifically stated he didn't change the setting, this inconsistency is age old mistake by Toriyama, there was no real reason why there should have been a setting for such a early time travel all the way back to the same age as when Trunks initially gave Goku the medicine.
This is the real inconsistency.

>cell changed to settings
But that's wrong, you fucking retard. If you don't remember DB then shut up

Or that trunks wanted to save other worlds from the androids now that he got the blueprints.

>bergamo steals SSB
>goku can no longer use god ki
>has to rely on SSJ2 for the entire tournament

Imagine if Cell arrived in time to get eaten by Buu

It's supposed to match up to this but it just simply does not.

Welll when cell reverted back to his egg form to fit in the time machine his fatass accidentally changed thr settings - source :headcanon.

But changing the settings is apparently so difficult that only bulma can do it

Cell had Bulma's genes in him - source: headcanon

It's a time machine.

i think this show is Super

Super is a Parallel world from Z-GT.

best couple

Their both half Goku. I didn't think Vegetto was a siscon.

This time travel shit has always been full of inconsistencies.

>being goku is a dominant gene
>fusion zamasu birrths a full goku

finally, tumblr delivers

So even Bulma can turn super-saiyan-god-now-that's-what-I-Call-SSJ-'98?!