AnCap

Anarcho-capitalism is literally the most retarded ideology. Communism is retarded because it's been tried and failed, but anarcho-capitalism is literally so retarded that's it's never even been tried once.

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yeah and you're a sum magna cum laude on economics

>he thinks the world isn't already anarcho capitalist

>never been tried
Anywhere where there is an absence of coercion exists anarcho-capitalism

It was tried in the Wild West

>guys the NAP stops EVERYTHING bad

I've recently given up on any form of libertarianism.

I see two flaws with ancap, the lack of borders will mean there's absolutely no quality control on the people and the lack of state would mean there's absolutely nothing protecting you from foreign threats. As it stands now, there are more belligerent governments and more belligerent paramilitary groups than they want to admit. It only seems like a non issue because either NATO has done a good job and it's failures are usually covered up.

Drop the anarchy shit, just accept large states. Welfare systems are bullshit, but everyone knows it and simply don't have a viable alternative beyond cruelly allowing children, the greatest welfare recipients, to starve.

It's not..

Whilst there's a state and leaders and hierarchical systems, it's not an anarchy.

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>guys the NAP stops EVERYTHING bad
one thing ancaps never claim is a utopia.

Well we would need to manage to reach peace before slowly dialing back the state.

So long as we are always at war it isn't sensible to abolish the army. Even if you aren't on-board with a stateless society, moving towards a more peaceful world and eventually a world where countries don't go to war with one another is still a worthwhile goal that will benefit us all.

WTF?

>ancapistan happens
>big group of people break the NAP and form a large monopoly of force for a region that noone can break

GG no re

inb4 memeposting nukes

Then it's non ideal.

Give me borders, give me police, give me spooks listening, I don't give a fuck just keep the chemical/biological weapons out of my country. I don't want cancer or hepatitis. Foreigners think it's fair game to weaken you with poisons, they don't mind being cowards.

Only the west has a truly anti war culture and we sacrificed art and a general well-being of life for it. We're now nihilistic and unhappy, but at least we have no passion for war.

>The worst case scenario for trying anarcho-capitralism is you end up with a state.
Is that really your argument? ahahahhaa

I hate ancaps with every fiber of my being. I hate communists too but I hate ancaps even more. Communists are at least a worthy enemy. Ancaps are infiltrators among the right. Traitors get the bullet even before enemies.

>Then it's non ideal.
Nothing is perfect
>Give me borders, give me police, give me spooks listening, I don't give a fuck just keep the chemical/biological weapons out of my country.
I'm afraid with those things you wipe away your choice of having or not having biological weapons as your "choice" is irrelevant.

This

The worst case scenario is a nightmare 1984 future society ruled by corporations. The most likely scenario is Mad Max-style collapse.

>The worst case scenario is a nightmare 1984 future society ruled by corporations.
Like right now?

>The most likely scenario is Mad Max-style collapse.
Delusional, do you even understand how the free market operates?

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Do you even understand how reality operates? Humans require a government, any form of anarchism is retarded and won't work because of basic human nature.

>Do you even understand how reality operates? Humans require a government,
You know a thousand years ago retards were arguing the exact same thing for slavery. Without slaves who will pick our crops!!!
Slavery is essential for civilization!!

Wouldn't slavery be accepted under anarcho-capitalism though?

It violated the NAP so no.

what if the slave consents tho

>AnCap

That's not even a real word. Just call them anarchists.

I should add Ancap is just basic empathy. If you want to imagine situations that would occur. Imagine what you would do in that situation and you can generally derive a reasonable answer to a question. Unless you are totally fucked in the head.

>what if the slave consents tho
Then it's not slavery.

and it worked beautifully

One McNuke™ coming right up on them.

Anarchy exists with Somalian pirates. I guess AnCaps just want to be pseudo cowboy niggers.

Except corporations don't give a shit about empathy as long as they make profits.

Definition of "slave" : a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.
Where in this definition does it state that slavery must be nonconsensual?

I love the Somalia example of Ancap.
It's like they pick a country which had a vicious dictatorship topple on itself and now it's "look how bad anarcho-capitalism is"

>Except corporations don't give a shit about empathy as long as they make profits.

Ok, but the consumers of their products care about what the company does. Would you purchase a product from a company who just destroyed an entire area of nature because they were negligent and couldn't be fucked disposing of their waste thoughtfully?
I know I would never buy shit from them, and I'm sure a fuck load of people wouldn't either.

At any time you can choose not to serve that person. Which means you were never that persons property to begin with, you only pretended you were.

>At any time you can choose not to serve that person
What if I make a contract with them specifically signing myself over as property for a certain amount of time?

Corporations would just keep any wrongdoings secret, like exactly what they do now. Somalia is used as an example of anarchy because that's exactly what it is, but instead of being a utopia it's a shithole being endlessly fought over by rival tribes, warlords and militants.

I must add
>What if they sell their products overseas
Export companies can refuse to offer them their services until they clean up their mess

>What if there is a greedy export company
Then other businesses will boycott that export company as they are dealing with clients who seek to harm the environments around those businesses with their negligence.

Also depends on what the damage they could be doing to someones property inadvertently they could be up for massive fines by their DROs (Dispute Resolution Organizations) for damaging other clients property or public land. But now we get into DROs which is a whole other deal.

Of course this is all theoretical as we don't live in an anarchist society and to predict how humans will self organize in the absence of coercion is difficult

Why on earth would you do that?

>Somalia is used as an example of anarchy because that's exactly what it is
Somalia is a failed state, don't blame Anarchy for that.

>Corporations would just keep any wrongdoings secret,
We always find out this shit. With the internet, camera phones, whistle blowers willing to expose wrongdoing there isn't any reliable way to hide these things.

capitalism has been tried and failed multiple times as well

Also Somalia has one of the lowest average IQs in the world and if you look at their country it has been slowly improving under anarchy.

Somalia is a shitty example. Nothing works in that place. I am not even close ancap- but I'll say that's probably one of the less convincing arguments and examples against it.

>Why on earth would you do that?
It doesn't matter why I would do it , what matters to me is if I can.

This is literally the best thing that’s ever been posted on here

It's almost like extreme ideologies are bad for society and moderate ideologies, with compromise and fairness, are good for humanity.

I don't know I'm not an expert in contractual law.
I'm not this all knowing sage you think I am. Provided you both consent I don't see a problem with it.

What the fuck? How does this make any sense?

>no quality control on the people

Anarcho-capitalism is by definition meritocratic. The best and smartest rise to the top while the shittiest and dumbest sink to the bottom. You aren't going to be interacting with bottom of the barrel niggers on a daily basis, which is better than the current way of things. You'd probably live in gated well-guarded complexes completely free of non-whites and with total freedom as to who enters and who leaves. It would be much better than the current system.

As for foreign threats, the only reason why countries like Russia or terrorists or other groups have problems with the West is because of the constant foreign interventions by the overbloated military which burns tax dollars like no tomorrow. You don't see people invading or bombing Switzerland because they keep themselves and are politically neutral.

Okay, thanks

It's just a stupid lifeboat scenario question that is meaningless. Who in their right mind would ever do such a thing. You'd be declared insane before anyone took you seriously enough to think you are signing this out of your own free will and in a clear state of mind. Also the contract probably wouldn't be recognized by any DRO as it's retarded so you could renege anytime

Fascism and National Socialism is literally just another form of gibs me dat. Nigger-tier retarded authoritarian ideologies in which most of the people who advocate for them would be fucking dead probably within weeks of their regimes taking power. Fucking morons.

>checked

Pretty much every genocide, massacre and persecution in history was done by authoritarian regimes. The worst mass killings were done by the most authoritarian states. The more economically liberal and less authoritarian, the better the track record and prosperity of every country. This is an indisputable fact.

>Being forced to cower in gated communities while the rest of the country becomes a cesspool of mongrel filth

That's pathetic user.

> given up on any form of Libertarianism
> lack of state would mean there's absolutely nothing protecting you from foreign threats.
> any form of Libertarianism
Minarchism with a competitive market for mili tech would like to say hello. But, you claim to be a Libertarian and never bothered to think about the invasion scenario? Jesus christ.
> absolutely no quality control on the people
You and I both know that's innaccurate.
> cruelly allowing children to starve
You're weird user.

>guys the NAP stops EVERYTHING bad
Epic straw man bro.

> ANcaps are infiltrators of the right
Says the collectivist cuck that was an accomplice in the Marxist undermining of Western values and the American Right-wing. Your chosen ideology is a mirror image of them and cooperated with them on too many occassions to trust, it's way too similar as well and comes from the same idealogical strain, which is fucking disgusting and shameful to have to admit and defend desu.

> corporations
Are state created.
> Mad Max
Realistically collectivism is putting us on that brink.

The Nazi's on this board have no semblance of self-reflection.

They don't even see that they use the same arguments as SJWs, they don't see that they attack Capitalism in the same ways, they don't see how similar their collectivism is just with different values and a different goal for their total state. I've never seen so many new fags float along and completely ignore everything that was thoroughly discussed over the last 5+ years.

They can't see the backfire effect working right infront of their eyes the way they hear something that pokes holes in their world view and they simply double down on it as if its a personal attack rather than you know, trying to find out what's true. I've even seen some recently deny that truth and the physical world even exist!

just say you wanted a memeball thread you flaming faggot

>Minarchism with a competitive market for mili tech would like to say hello.
tech doesn't win wars 95% of the time

>Your chosen ideology is a mirror image of them
muh horshoe theory

>They don't even see that they use the same arguments as SJWs
Such as?

> tech doesn't win wars 95% of the time
That wasn't the point.
> Any form of Libertarianism
> lack of state
> Minarchism
See where you went wrong there?

Apologies I thought you were referring to anarcho capitalism rather than a form of libertarianism.

Eh kind of both desu. Because both sides have addressed the issue in their own ways for years and years. I don't know many Libertarians that haven't thought about it.

It assumes everyone is a fucking genius that can understand and cares enough to know it all in the first place. Their ideology is complicated and complex as fuck. Also people are inherently tribal and follow leaders.

Not true, it's been tried in small scale of townships. Think Deadwood or other western rush towns, fuck San Francisco 1849 would be ancap

Actually, it has been tried. Anarcho-communism was invented to get away from it. Then the state was invented to get away from anarcho-communism. Welcome to the bronze age.