Mutualism thread my goys

Mutualism thread my goys.
> the og anarchism.

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Your mutual collective is a target for resentful outsider groups. If you're successful they'll attack you, if you fail they'll pick up any crumbs you leave behind.

I don't like a lot of laws either, but there are people out there who will attack you purely because you gave yourself a reason to smile.

> everyone is armed
> co-op militias.
yeah we're good.

National Syndicalism/State Mutualism is superior to Anarcho anything. With that said, I don't hate you for being an anarchist. I went through that phase too in my college days but I do think you're extremely misguided. Hopefully you embrace fascism one day.

Marxism is no better then corporatism or gommunism no Government can make you free. Fascism steals from both the rich and the poor so nobody is doing any good under a fascist regime.

Marxism = fascism
essentially the same thing.

>Marxism is no better then corporatism or gommunism no Government can make you free.
If you're an anarchist you're a communist even if you're not a Marxist.
>Fascism steals from both the rich and the poor so nobody is doing any good under a fascist regime.
I get the feeling you don't know what fascism is. With that said, I'll play devils advocate and say that fascism isn't one monolithic ideology. There are numerous branches each with different social and economic policies.
Marxism is international. Fascism is an extremely nationalistic ideology.

> if youre an anarchist youre a communist
> anarcho capitalsim
> marxism is international faschism is extremely nationalistic
> so pretty much i was right except for the borders .

Anarcho capitalism isn't a real ideology. It would essentially result in feudalism.

Honestly i dont care about the different branch's any state is a threat to freedom of the people.

I'd also like to point out that I respect proudhon more than other anarchist thinkers. Proudhonian ideas actually influenced fascist thinking.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cercle_Proudhon
Fascism isn't inherently anti-freedom. It's anti-liberal democracy which doesn't respect freedom at all.
With that said, as much as you may think I'm attacking you, I'm actually reaching out to you. Pic somewhat related.

> Anarcho capitalism isn't a real ideology. It would essentially result in feudalism.

Yes it is an ideology and holds many of the same idles of mutualists what they call capitalism would be what mutualists call individual ownership its really a matter of semantics.
> feudalism
Doubt it considering Ancap's focus on voluntarism without a state feudalism is incredibly hard to maintain.

>Yes it is an ideology and holds many of the same idles of mutualists what they call capitalism would be what mutualists call individual ownership its really a matter of semantics.
Mutualists don't believe in private property like ancaps do. One of the first lines from Proudhon's book "what is property" is literally "property is theft".
>Doubt it considering Ancap's focus on voluntarism without a state feudalism is incredibly hard to maintain.
There's no such thing as "voluntarism". The NAP is completely unenforceable. There's nothing to stop a local warlord from subjugating and taxing the local countryside through the use of hired mercenaries.

.> anti liberal democracy
really depends on your definition of freedom considering the you know the endless amounts of deaths the state and Keynesian capitalists have c caused.

you must be a euro
here we have a thing called militias

> holds many
i didnt say all.
> nap is unenforceable
> voluntary co-op militias and armed citizens.

Keynesian, Austrian, they're all capitalists to me and they've all used the parliamentary system to gain power. You should look into Strasserism.

hello friend.

some austrians dont consider themselves capitalists
> agorism.

He's not your friend. He'll try to throw you out of a helicopter. I'll try to talk some sense into you.

The helicopter thing is a meme im willing to create sythesis's of different schools.

he doesn't wanna state and he doesn't look leftist
good enough

hello, what is your view on race and egalitarianism?
what would your world look like?
don't think i've ever talked to a mutualist be4

Alright then. Enjoy your anarchist circle jerk. I have to go to bed so I can go to work tomorrow.

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night fashy, remember fascism is just americanism

I believe everyone is socially equal regardless of race. but i think pursuing a economic equality really isnt possible

This kinda explains everything.

bump

mutualism is a gateway drug to fascism
I promote it among leftists all the time

No its not faggot go back to your daily stormer bs.

Literally, no one in 1st world countries should be poor.
>you and 5 other trustworthy comrades, rent a one bedroom house, living a tad uncomfortable together
>each earning at least $30k a year
>pooling together to a common fund
>use of humility, discipline, being frugal, delayed gratification and patience
>have common fund reach about $600k in 5 years
>use the funds to buy/invest/whatever you guys want or continue this path for 5 more years

Worker's revolution starts in the micro. Don't blame bourgeois or capitalism. You have the power to accumulate wealth in this system.

I agree with most of that but fascism steals from both the capitalist and the poor so go fuck yourself stormfag the state is responsible for countless deaths.

why a one bedroom house? why not just live co-op together in a house with multiple bedrooms or individually with one bedroom.

too egalitarian, but it was made a long time ago before multi culti is a thing
so i'll paas it on that
the main argument is following the idea of labor value.
labor does not determine value, a burger made by me might be worth 5 to someone or 7 to someone else, thus market price can never be set by labor, only perceived value.

also that you don't believe in private property which is silly, as well as 'natural' restrictions, which upon your explanation will decide my view. who will enforce that if private property, and thus no land owners is the ideal? by democratic committee?

same difference.

The no property thing is really more of a absentee thing for example if a mansion has been abandoned for a few years its cool for people to move in and squat. also the labor of value thing is already somewhat prevalent in most modern markets it all depends on how much labor went into producing the product.

You a mutualist?

>implying everyone wants to be controlled by traditions and dead people rotting in their graves. Fascism doesn't work for a reason. It serves the powerful and leaves a lot of people out in the cold. These people will band together and destroy fascism.

Sense that is misguided. Fascist live to manipulate and trick hard working people out of their earned money for the good life.

Too true friend

No, demographics are a threat to freedom of the people. I suggest you read some of Evola's work. His point is that the capable of a society would be free, yet the incapable would not be afforded such luxuries, thus the great ones would rise and the lesser men would fall by the wayside, as they are not fully actualized persons.

i understand how you think that's a good idea, as that would theoretically prevent greedy monopolists
but i wanna counter that with this tidbit
say you have a field laying fallow, and you left it there while treating the soil, doing farmer stuff, then someone plants a crop on it that would deplete the soil. you didn't allow it to happen,
now, would the farmer own the land while letting it lay fallow(unused)?
would that planter have to give compensation for the field taken up by his crop?because of the lost revenue from the farmer's crop, and the cost of having to revitalize his field
would the farmer have authority to destroy the crop?
whose land is it now? since the planter is using the farmers field

I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.

You dont own the land you own improvements on the land which is personal property.

the people are not threatened by migration, only by governments stopping their whites from sorting it out themselves

Says the "superior". Life is life. It's too short to spend worrying about superiority.

For cheap's sake. With the funds reaching $600k, then you can buy a few acres ($12-20k), build a couple of earth homes or buy "the people's" house. I wrote that post because I'm living rent-free at my grandma's house with two other brothers, pooling to a common fund, for the last 6 years. I'm thankful that rent & debt are absolutely alien to me. I get most people think you can't do this, but you can if you try. Even with fucking minimum wage. Just gotta suffer a bit (lack of privacy). You only gotta suffer for 2 damn years to get $180k together!!!! Worth it!!!!

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wrong, superiority is real and a thing you should think of
hierarchies are there for a reason
because someone is always superior or less than you

The soil you have placed is yours, you could put a fence around your soil if you choose.

I have to disagree. Hierarchy is a man made concept so that people can feel special. No one is so special that they're better than someone with the same organs and same brain.

lets say there was no fence in this situation, just for fun
in fact, lets say the farmers helper tilled the field

You're not a libertarian if you believe that whites tend to be intellectually superior but blacks are physically superior it balances out.

To quote a fictional man, "You are the same decaying organic matter." I tie philosophy in very closely to politics as you can see.

well since the sure size of the farm id imagine itd be co-op owned. you have the right to defend your personal property but since the state dosent exist private property isnt protected by the state legally.

Bro, the state does mostly suck, but you can NEVER get rid of it, particularly because of groundbreaking technology (weaponized nanotech, a.i., etc). You being naive if you think you can smash the state.

hierarchy is not man made, the state is the man made abomination
look at the monkeys on any nature doc
they have heirachy, look at the lions, again heirarchy
look at my cats as they go about their days and nights, clear hierarchy there

to say we are all the same is to deny any human uniqueness and thus you just sucked all wonder out of the world

> computer virus
> gurilla warfae
> millitia
what?

Exactly. There is no more wonder in this world. I hope to seek it someplace else.

That is a natural hiearchy we arent trying to abolish that. "a king is nothing without servants."

The whole point of anarchism is the journey, not the destination.

No, that literally is Fascism. Merging the corporate (production control of the society) with the state (laws of enforcement of the society). A socialistic commune upon which devotion to the commune and reception of services from the commune is mutual and production is boosted by the collective interest of the population toward advancement and easing production for both protection, growth, and survival of the population is the quintessential heir to fascism and national socialism. I think the disconnection you are drawing upon is WWII (which had its own circumstances it happened under outside of totalitarian command of Hitler and Mussolini, and happened similarly to the start of WWI (mainly because they're the same conflict, but with a twenty-two year pause for recovery).

All I can say is that the regime of Adolf Hitler and Mussolini were Fascist, so too was Franco's Spain, Pinochet's Chile, and Duterte's Philippines, and ultimately those regimes returned power to the people after they believed the threat of (((communism))) had passed, they then returned elections to the people.

Not true. its both equally important we need an end goal to abolish the state and corporatism.

I will admit that I wasn't thinking of animals when I said hierarchy is a man made concept. Thanks for pointing it out friend.

ok no voluntarism is abolished under faschism go back to the daily stormer.

Total control and domination has no place in my life. How is one to be truly free if they are contained by the chains of fascism?

God I want reddit to leave

>no true scotsman
that's not how it goes in reality, only philosophically; and only a few mens philosophy
>well since the sure size of the farm id imagine itd be co-op owned. you have the right to defend your personal property but since the state dosent exist private property isnt protected by the state legally.
say its owned by one family, and the helper is just a local youth in need of some money, or a traveler in need of food and shelter.
you saying that if the state does not exist pri property would not
that is wrong, as how did the first dynasty start anywhere?
wonder lives in your mind, as your mind is just a picture of the universe at large, if you kill the wonder in your mind, then all wonder in the world leaves you, you will NOT find it in space, you gotta look inside first

Inside of me I have shit stained walls and regrets. I don't trust myself to find wonder within. I would rather find it externally. I have found one tiny wonder that I'd like to find more wonder with.

If you are superior and chained to fascism, then I'm gladly "inferior" and free.

superior men know that chaining yourself to help others and your community is really helping yourself and ensuring freedom
inferior men shrink form that duty

don't say that your mind is shit
because the funny thing about your mind, is that its all in your head, if your mental walls are shit stained, then imagine them being scrubbed, its really that easy
how did buddha achieve enlightenment?
by searching within

I disagree. A great man frees himself and other. He takes on his own responsibility to be happy and brings others with him. The man who cripples under the state (fascism) is weak.

I can't trust myself to look within. I doubt myself at every turn and so far it's worked. I'll keep my tiny wonder close by.

weak? no, just misguided
do you think that marxists are evil in their own mind? no, they are saviors
great men, secure a future for their people, whoever they are
weak men hide, and let them be taken care of

> implying freelancers dont exist.

when was that implied?
what the worst that can happen? a bomb going off in your head? M E D I T A T E
> I doubt myself at every turn and so far it's worked
do you really believe that? how many times have you held yourself back from risks? how many times have you chicked out from a good thing?
its good to keep your wonders close by, but life isn't wonderless, dark, and decrypted, only your head is, and it is literally just a mental change to go though, but its hard. have you tried psychedelics? it may help your self image problem if you don't try to do things and just trip happily
but really, meditate once a day for like 15 mins, just sit, breathe, and don't think

>3d waifus
disgusting

ikr, interdimensional travel when?

Incorrect. Blacks are physically superior at short-distance sprinting. Whites are champions of weightlifting and distance running. All of which are microscopic compared to the standard deviation of lower intelligence, proclivities toward violent behavior, and a lack of altruistic capacity (to generalize, based on my experience and lack of evidence to the contrary) all culminate in two populations. One best suited for operating with high levels of trust between the members and advancing the interest of their collective as they are born of the collective. One best suited for operating in a hunter-gatherer society with low-trust levels and various warring factions and disunity.

While there are more races on the planet, some capable of competing and exceeding the standards of the European, the negroid race is an exceptionally poor race in terms of determining the manner by which the collective of a society should want their society to head, towards advancement, not negrification.

I smoke once a week. No mushrooms. Can't find a dealer in the area.

What if freedom isn't everything it's made out to be. You can live in Somalia! There should be an anarchist paradise for an egalitarian like yourself. Just don't be a racist and make sure you allow those negroids to rape you and then light a tire on fire around your neck.

I can take risks but it's nerve wracking. I have been getting better at confronting people though.

try salvia
you can order from salvia dragon.com
i got mine sitting in front of me, shrooms, you might have to grow yourself, on lab supply sites, they sell the spores for research purpose, but anyone can buy

its all steps, just get out more, try to go to bars, try to socialize at the park. ask out a group of friends, there are ways, the only wrong way is to give up

we cool now ancap?

>Implying anarchism is completely lawless
You are not a true anarchist if you infringe on ones natural rights. You have a right to not be raped and murdered. You do have the right to kill if above act is committed.

live2d and VR is the best we've got so far

Well I'm not some neet. Of course I have friends and the tiny wonder is a person. I have an active social life but I've been taught that my emotions are to be feared.

we cool, just stay off my property. and don't plant in my fields ;^)

I wont my goy its your improvements to the land.

i'm not satisfied till i have my waifu in my arms, after going though the portal. anything short is just pathetic escapism

Shit I'm out. My ass has exams tomorrow. Nice discussion though. Later.

night friendo

HOW ARE THESE RIGHTS ENFORCED! YOU PRODUCE GOODS AND SERVICES IN EXCHANGE FOR OTHER GOODS AND SERVICES! Whether or not those services are provided by a system under which you pay into as a natural monopoly or a state monopoly is a matter of a very trivial nature unto the utilitarian mindset, with the state control being much more steady and justice being redirected back to the society from the bourgeois. This isn't an argument in favor of dictatorship, even under Mussolini citizens still had elections and means by which they could influence their government in their favor. Anarchism, however, is a system that (while it can have remnants of other anarcho+ systems survive) ultimately leads to feudalism, with kingdoms fighting each other. When one is no longer subject to taxation upon ones property, there is theoretically no justification against collection of taxes upon ones own property from its occupants.

My whole point is, the vast majority of people are not capable of living in a libertarian society and adhering to the NAP in understanding its full enlightenment. This is why I say you need a strong fascistic society that seeks to create a master race from the blood stock it rules. Then, you do not need laws, you need only the Ubermensch, but the Ubermensch will not present himself until he has been forced to appear under trial and struggle.

"I can promise you nothing but struggle and heartache" -Benito Mussolini

that nigger went to sleep didn't you read
>HOW ARE THESE RIGHTS ENFORCED!
how were laws enforced in early america? by militias(good neighbors) and the sheriff if need be.
>Whether or not those services are provided by a system under which you pay into as a natural monopoly or a state monopoly is a matter of a very trivial nature unto the utilitarian mindset
monopoly cannot arise if there is nobody to grant it monopoly, aside from monopolies of tech or new resorces, which are natural
>utilitarian
that is cancer, no better than materialism
>with the state control being much more steady and justice being redirected back to the society from the bourgeois
wrong on both ends, state control is only steady when you ignore all the times the state violates its own laws, even cops have meeting every year statewide where they decide what laws to enforce and other cop stuff, or so my uncle tells me(he goes in place of his boss i think)
you gotta be joking if you think it bring justice FROM the hands of the rich and powerful to the common man, why did Bernie Madoff get arrested despite plenty others robbing men?
>ultimately leads to feudalism, with kingdoms fighting each other.
it will not, as the whole point is freedom, why did the us not succumb to fascism, communism, or nazism? because in every american is the desire to be free and to live, kings cannot survive in the states, surely there would be fights, as in early america there was until the civil war happened, yet never has there been a king arising, even during the frontier days.
> When one is no longer subject to taxation upon ones property, there is theoretically no justification against collection of taxes upon ones own property from its occupants.
you mean rent? and one could buy the property from the land lord, even kings sold land to rich men.

>My whole point is, the vast majority of people are not capable of living in a libertarian society and adhering to the NAP in understanding its full enlightenment. This is why I say you need a strong fascistic society that seeks to create a master race from the blood stock it rules. Then, you do not need laws, you need only the Ubermensch, but the Ubermensch will not present himself until he has been forced to appear under trial and struggle.
you are not wrong, pic related, but might i add that your 'trial and struggle' would the process of deregulation and the short term struggle that comes with anarchy at first. like in a fascism, there must be a purge. this is true for an anarchistic society too

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Fascism doesn't work ?

just because the ENTIRE world attacks you doesn't mean failure