Reuters reported on 11 December that the MoD’s stated position is that additional Typhoons should replace the Tornados from 2025, with the Boeing F-15 Eagle and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet being the preferred alternatives.
The declaration, which was reportedly made in a letter to a German lawmaker, is in direct contradiction to views expressed by the chief of the Luftwaffe, Lieutenant General Karl Muellner, who in early November said it is his preference that the F-35 be the replacement platform.
“The indicated view of the [chief] of the air force that the F-35 Lightning II is an especially suitable successor to the Tornado system is not the position of the federal government,” Deputy Defence Minister Ralf Brauksiepe was quoted by Reuters as saying in the letter.
Depends, would the Eurofighter or the F35 look better as a red triplane?
Elijah Turner
>buy American made >buy European made hmmmm... I don't care what some military faggot says. If there is a German/European made product we should obviously choose that over a foreign one. I wonder who's paying that guy off.
Benjamin Hughes
Well, from a purely technical standpoint it's of course the Lieutenant who should decide what they need. But I'm sure there is a lot of politicking involved in that decision. Who knows what kind of considerations went into that decision. It's always about jobs and know-how in the defense industry.
Jose Ortiz
>politics are war with less destructive methods.
Austin Howard
The Typhoon would.
And still generals know more about equipment
War does not necessarily happen
Jace Peterson
>he thinks there's a difference between politicians and generals wew lad
Josiah Ross
>If there is a German/European made product we should obviously choose that over a foreign one.
So our chancellor should drive a Volkswagen instead of a Ford?
Jordan Walker
Yes and she does (Audi).
Ethan Edwards
But thatks bs, Fords are safer and did not cheat on diesel standards.
Ryan Collins
>hmmmm... I don't care what some military faggot says. If there is a German/European made product we should obviously choose that over a foreign one. I wonder who's paying that guy off.
F-35 more capable aircraft than Eurofighter when it comes to doing air strikes. That military faggot might be one of rare competent staff officers in Bundeswehr that hasn't sold their souls to politicians.
Ford has production plants in Germany.
Jason Reed
>Ford has production plants in Germany Using American developed and produced parts.
Lucas Lopez
One thing is clueless male politicians, another is arrogant affirmative action vaginal jews pretending they know anything about combat.
Isaac Bailey
Her car is not a Diesel. And if really bothers you that much there are still many other German auto makers. The government, and the people for that matter, should always support local production if feasible unless there are political reasons to buy foreign products.
Noah Reyes
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Noah Rogers
The only thing politicians should be dictating is the budget.
Chase Edwards
>Using American developed and produced parts. That is obviously why almost all American Fords small engines suck. All good smaller cars made by Ford have been designed either in Germany or UK. There is a reason why quality of Fords in Europe has gone down recently. They are closing plants in UK and Germany and shifting production to Turkey.
Jeremiah Ross
If there is one thing Germans can do it is engineering and manufacturing. So if the Typhoon is not as good as the F-35 it is on Eurofighter to make it as good. We shouldn't immediatly buy foreign products or we will never catch up.
Michael Allen
Finland also going Super Hornets, in 2025 iirc.
Colton Hill
FYI, one of the most important things to consider when upgrading air-force equipment, is the availability/price of spare parts.
No matter how great the fighter is, if you cant get enough parts for it, its useless.
Hunter Ward
Typhoon is fundamentally different generation aircraft. There is no way to make it carry its munitions internally or to reduce it's radar cross section aside from minor tweaks. Germany and France will developing next generation fighter, but it won't be available for couple decades.
Funny way to spell F-35. If there isn't budget for F-35, it will either SuperBug or Gripen. I'll doubt chances of Eurofighter and Rafale in HX program. Only chance Finland will choose either of those is if manufacturer will be making nearly no profit deal, they are included mostly due to their potential to drive down costs of competitors. Also Finland didn't make RFI for Eurofighter to Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH, but to BAE-systems. They at least have history of being reliable partner in defense programs unlike Airbus.
Cooper Young
>if you cant get enough parts for it, its useless. AYY LMAO.
Matthew Williams
>implying they make the decisions >implying the only army they command isn't one of advisors who actually know what they're talking about >implying they aren't just a mascot for feminism and inclusiveness
Xavier Ramirez
Doesn’t matter, the Caliphate of Germanistan won’t need them. Plenty of money for mosques and public ass washing stations.
Eli James
>american "cars"
kys
we should use only european stuff, fuck the commie americans
Colton Ortiz
F U N N Y
Sebastian Hill
Stealth multi role fighters are for bombing militarily capable nations. If Germany has no plan to do that it doesn't need the f35.
Isaiah Robinson
>Eurofighters
kek, it is so shit not even European countries want it. I bet even Japanese can build a better fighter jet than European
Ian Nguyen
Russian minister of defense isn't soldier, his background before becoming MoD was civil engineering and management positions for rescue services. Basically the guy who happened to be minor communist party functionary, small enough fish to have bureaucratic or political future when SU collapsed.
Alexander Allen
>kek, it is so shit not even European countries want it. I bet even Japanese can build a better fighter jet than European Absolutely. They managed to make F-16 three or four times as expensive as original was for minor performance gains.
Jaxson Cooper
Europe has given away all chances to compete technically with modern American and Russian weapon systems, besides ammunition. This is the direct result of leftists systematically destroying all arms industries or creating inefficient nation-spanning conglomerates who happily delay projects, indefinitely, deliver shit and sink billions of Euro. We have no choice other than buying the F 35 or our military will become less potent than some middle eastern or north African countries. Well who is surprised about that..
Jaxson Myers
Can someone explain why there have been so many of these stupid fucking threads over the years
Camden King
I see this pic spamposted all the time. It's misleading. The Wikileaks link even proves it, the ambassador's office just generically said Estonia had to follow standards and protocols established by the ECRI, the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance.
>(SBU) On Feb 21, the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) report on Estonia made a number of recommendations to improve the atmosphere for tolerance. The report has been criticized in some quarters for having been poorly sourced and based on incomplete information. However, ECRI made a number of recommendations and observations with which we agre
They're basically echoing that, and it's not like the fucking Ambassador's Office has any power to "brainwash" Estonians anyway.
Sebastian Martinez
Why do you need fighters designed for aggression? The EU has eastern Europe to develop before thinking about going further abroad. All Europe needs is the nuclear stalemate and a military that would make Russian "volunteers" think twice before crossing a border. The US needs f35s for its wars of aggression. We don't.
Angel Peterson
I say let the politicians decide, they tend to be retarded when it comes to military matters, and whatever hurts ZOG is a good thing.
Ayden Sanders
>Why do you need fighters designed for aggression? You can't win a war by defending. You are less likely to deter your enemies by employing a defensive doctrine. Tactically you will have to attack even when on the defensive.
Isaac Campbell
Literally pointless in the nuclear age. Advanced fighters are for bullying developing nations. Since the EU has eastern Europe through peace and trade, we don't need to bully developing nations. Leave it to the US.
William Ward
Also euro fighters, radar stations and ground to air missiles will out perform f35s unless the EU decides to do bombing runs in the US or Russia. Which is suicide on both counts. What exactly do we need stealth fighters for? Who is the enemy. China? India? Iran? None of this is in Europe's interest. We have 100's of millions of eastern euros already. Developing there is our long term plan.
Joshua Myers
Says island country that has outsourced it's defense to UK.
Logan Brown
How would Germany even be able to potentially deliver nukes once it has only Eurofighters in its arsenal? They can't carry nukes. How do you have nuclear deterrence when you can't do incursions into hostile land? As far as I know Europe doesn't have multi-warhead missile launch platforms.
Hunter Myers
We beat the UK in our last war.
Hudson Martinez
France and UK. NATO.
Jaxson Bennett
The rafale can carry nukes and the french have several older nuke compliant bombers and launcher subs, same goes for the UK, but Brexit happened.
Connor Allen
Brexit is going to be so soft you could sell it as ads wipe. Europe will still have access to British nukes for defense.
Gabriel Thomas
Less than 2000 deaths isn't a real war.
Alexander Perez
That must be why you have a United Ireland Oh wait
Wyatt Allen
So when is Germany going to start engineering planes?
Thomas Green
Nice goal posts you have there. They VOTED to stay on British gibes after you lost the armed conflict.
Angel Rogers
Didnt you surrender to Russia?
Kevin Cruz
These are all under the premise that all our nations are going to be staying chummy chumps for all eternity. NATO is a toxic alliance that will implode at some point with members like Turkey who are leveraging their geostrategic position against members or even the entire alliance itself. What you say is all correct in the current years, but I am thinking ahead when more civil unrest will hit all of our countries with muslims and niggers rampaging Europe(once they hit 30-50%). Who knows how all of our countries will stand to each other then.
Samuel Evans
If you are thinking decades ahead to when we have no allies shouldn't we be using our own fighter jets? You know the US will just turn off the f35s in the first conflict they are used that they don't support. Back doors.
Jayden Evans
You won.
Camden Lewis
The spyware is free though.
Jonathan Morgan
Make a sexy nazi jet. I'll buy that. Fuck the yanks. They hate us.
Isaac Johnson
The software updates to stop the wanna cry virus has made all the old computers in work completely useless. Now we need new computers and new copies of windows.
What a coincidence.
Gavin Wright
I'm American, and even I only drive Japanese cars for their better safety, reliability and lower cost
Jonathan Allen
We killed enough commies make 'em settle for less than occupying entire country.
>If you are thinking decades ahead to when we have no allies shouldn't we be using our own fighter jets? Ireland doesn't have real military when it comes to security, you are the freeloader of Europe. Ireland has outsourced it's air defense to RAF.
Michael Morris
Nah, we don't hate you. Unless you're French, then its by treaty 50% of the time. It would be tantamount to Declaration of War to 'turn them off'. As far as the spyware, some people were pissed it was sending some data for diagnostic purposes unannounced. Understandable both why the US would do that, and why people were low key pissed they weren't told. Germany is'nt a child, they need big boy toys.
Brody Wright
Why would Ireland waste money on fighter jets? We contribute militarily with ground forces and navy. Also Finland I'd a military nothing also. We won our fight got survival. Let's see what the next threat is. Won't be our neighbors.
Owen Collins
So they came up with an excuse, that's great. Estonia is not special 80% of all degeneracy projects in eastern Europe come from US embassies. Would be nice if you kike slaves would just fuck off.
Samuel Reed
>referencing all these memes and pokemon on your banner This is the right wing equivalent to leftists comparing the real world to their children books like Harry Potter.
Evan Allen
The problem is that you could, not necessarily that you would.
Alexander Reyes
I'm sure if that's a serious concern, and maybe it is, it would easily be fixed to everyones satisfaction for the US to make a few sheckels on military deals. Do you have any sauce on that specific concern from foreign military brass? I will look to see more, but I've seen nothing in my jewgle searches so far.
Joseph Edwards
>We contribute militarily with ground forces and navy. It isn't navy. It is coast guard at best. When heaviest armament on it's ships are 57mm or 76mm dual purpose guns.
>Also Finland I'd a military nothing also. We have 62 fighters, couple hundred tanks, several hundred artillery pieces and mobilized strength about 30 times larger than Irish """""Defense""""" Forces.
Connor Thomas
It's almost like you border a militarily aggressive country
Jace Barnes
Lol no. The only thing we could "turn off" is your access to our Europe based ground radar systems and flow of spare parts. >we Speak for yourself, I despise the Irish.