>European commission tells other member states that Polish reforms put fundamental democratic values at risk
>The EU has triggered a process that could ultimately see Poland stripped of voting rights in Brussels
>www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/20/eu-process-poland-voting-rights
Believe me, you don't want to make plumber angry
>You're allowed to vote, it's democracy after all
>How dare you do things democratically that we don't want you to do! We're gonna have to strip those voting rights.
Impossible.It would require an unanimous decision and we all know that both Hungary and Czechia will vote against.
Full sanctions need acceptance of all member states. This will never happen since if Poland loses voting rights then Hungary is next on the list to losing it. So Orban will vote againist sanctions.
Besides this only shows how little Brussels cucks understand polish soul. For now there is high EU support or rathe EU gibs supoprt. If we get banned our current government will spin it in the EU=EUSSR and witrawal referendum.
>You can vote democratically!
>How dare you not take in the rapefugees we’re forcing you to take in without a referendum!
"W-we will get them this time, i p-promise!"
-said the nervous EU burecraut for the 64th time this year
Little krauts think they can just intimidate everybody. I used to be into EU, but ever since Poland and Eastern countries joined, this has been constant attack on sovereignty.
EU has gone to shits (even UK is fed up, that tells you something), and EU Parliament needs to be shut down. It's a fucking robbery, where unelected cunts get paid top money for screwing everybody up.
Theres no need for some fucking central european government, to make EU work.
What about Hungary and Romania?
This lol.
>THE EU IS GOOD FOR YOU!!!!
No voting rights - no reason to stay in this retarded "alliance" then
This sounds almost familiar to some other pacts and agreements.
>Besides this only shows how little Brussels cucks understand polish soul
This. They think we will back off like some pussified westerns. The more they attack us, the bigger butthurt we have. I honestly hope that we will get sanctioned as much as possible and that they will strip us off every gibs possible
These.
Fucking pseudo-democrats.
I talked to a member of the EU parliament recently. Most of them aren't even competent or evil. It's just pure delusion. They are disconnected from the average citizen. German politicians are the worst. I'm ashamed.
you go polandi make us proud and sink this meme EU state ship !
>It's just pure delusion. They are disconnected from the average citizen
How can we change that, Kraut? This can't go on. It's totalitarian bullshit where they elect people by themselves from their own ranks.
>What about Hungary and Romania?
SHUT THE FUCK UP GOY AND GET MORE REFUGEES FOR THE FRECH WHO- I MEAN WOMEN.
I hope our gvmnt bitches take your side in this one. We should stick together as much as possible...
low level rats are delusioned but the bigger fish are just retarded they think people will give up there sovereignty and let them govern whit half a billion people so the can recreate the perfect communist state
The EU is such a mess. The US government has it's share of problems, but the fundamental rules that make it up are sound. You don't see anyone in government even considering stripping states of their voting rights, let alone starting a process for it that's somehow legal in the EU. This is the kind of thing that happens in 3rd world countries about to become dictatorships. Not in developed western nations.
sure think, little Greece
thing*
>Not in developed western nations
Poland is not developed, neither western
They will go bankrupt without EU gibs, and without Schengen, half the country is out of a job. I highly doubt they will do anything.
People have given up their sovereignty, those nations that adopted the EU constitution, that handed over their fiscal and monetary policy to the ECB.
Delusions require some substance and that there what I listed is the substance that enables them. Although the people ultimately have the power, often they don't want it because it's hard work and people just want to laze around in the sun and snort drugs. That's just the way life is.
The US has a common, shared history that is more united in its start and middle. The EU is trying to emulate the US with a conglomerate of nations that all have vastly different histories, cultures, economies and beliefs in the way governance should happen, the way money should be spent.
And like the US it's trying to emulate, it refuses to reform, when it fucking needs to. But no, they won't have it.
>our politicians
>not being globalist cucks
thanks !
Hungary will proly veto.
And it's this fucking scumbag of TImmerman behind this shit
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I hate these technocrats so goddamn much.
You think Poland will be the only country will be leaving the EU soon-to-be Czechoslovakia hungry Poland and others, the EU has nothing they can threaten Poland with they're fucked. It's not Poland's responsibility or hungry's or anyone else's take your refugees you accepted them not Donald Trump not Poland not anybody else so don't cry that you don't want them anymore send them back.
no one cares about romania and they said that hungary is fine because we did change some of our regulations unlike the poles who just never even answered back
but yeah it has 0% of going through and the eu council knows it, they just wanted to send a message
War is more fun.
Message sent leave the EU
>6-5% unemployment
>over 4% economic growth
>over two million foreign workers
Yeah our economy is in terrible shape.
>They will go bankrupt without EU gibs, and without Schengen, half the country is out of a job. I highly doubt they will do anything.
Don't underestimate the ability of slavs to committing economic suicide just to prove a point(and or revenge). but i can see your point
nah there's no reason to, they're locked in here with us, they're locked in here with us
What are the reforms they are so butthurt about?
I see all the french and anglo media parroting this shit but they never say what is in these texts which is highly (((suspicious))).
Makes sense, Poland took cash to take refugees, then renegs.
Besides I thought Brussels was unelected leaders who didnt care about nations, so how can Poland lose voting?
>tfw when you have autism
we're not locked in here with them, they're locked in here with us
EU butfucking you hard .. gib them what they deserve.
Put taxes and cut tax heavens for Kraut EU corporations .. and you will se an atomic response. EU and Germans knows Poland and rest of V4 is a big marker and cheap labor.
If this stops .. the Germany market will get crushed and Germany banks get busted as they on a verge. What we need is a small push and E.U-Srael will fail like house of cards.
>He still doesn't understand how the EU works
They literally replace governments with more pro EU ones for the promise of money. You put that much faith in your political elite to not sell you out to the lowest bidder? Considering they've already sold you out to the EU?
LOL you are sweet but naive, the EU works like a fucking snake, it is patient it will wait years and years and it will use deceit, lies, threats and it's coming to the point where it's going to use force to shut you up and keep you in line.
You all had your chance to ditch this corrupt union, you all had your fun with the free money but now it's time to pay the piper.
yeah, I read somewhere that Juncker said that Orban at least talks to him, while Polish gov is completely ignoring this cunt
Judiciary reforms and especially the law which will allow minister of justice to fire about 40% of the judges of the Supreme Court
That's wrong, people voted against the european constitution in France but the politicians still went behind our backs and voted it in the parliament with the Treaty of Lisbon.
Everytime some fucker tell us we are in a democracy I laugh at his face, we are in a dictatorship not really different from the USSR.
Our Supreme Court is full of postcommunists, jews and pro-eu shills. Earlier Law and Justice ‘shoah’ed’ Constitutional Tribunal
>People have given up their sovereignty, those nations that adopted the EU constitution, that handed over their fiscal and monetary policy to the ECB.
this is true i cant debate this , but i think there is a lot of people who have a strong sence of nationality especially ones who had family's who gave there own lifes to the idea of self rule . Also to the country's who have nothing but there nationality left and the EU uses as slaves for cheap labor
>Although the people ultimately have the power, often they don't want it because it's hard work and people just want to laze around in the sun and snort drugs
this is debatable for western eu states , but not for eastern ones
One madman at a time.
only if your country is a bunch of nanny cucks
you lost your countries because you were too scared of losing your comfortable smug western lifestyle, we never had any of that to begin with so we don't give a shit
orbán is a sneaky weasel but at least he's cornened by the fact that the elections are coming this spring
>I laugh at his face, we are in a dictatorship not really different from the USSR.
You are not still there but your getting there slowly !
It is almost like all the news are about Poland now, and Hungary is completely ignored. (((suspicious))
We are removing post communist judges and bringing term of office to local governments. Truly undemocratic reforms.
New Polish government is a bit nationalistic, they decided enough is enough and start debunking the corrupted Judicial system and high court, witch can block any lore that the Masters from EU didn't agree with.
if the Lore pass then 40- 50% of judges in polish courts will be put in retirement stage.
This will allow to pas the lore created by polish government not the lore witch is only in a line with EU lore. Most of those Old judges will lost their jobs and system will be filed with new people to this moment to get as a Judge best results in school wasn't enough you need to have a acceptation from existing judges and that makes system easy to corrupt as self proclaiming country in a country.
Why do you speak like a Russian?
we told you orbán is king gypsy, you can deal with him but keep in mind that he has no blind loyalty
he's a master diplomat, you have to put something on the table for him to take action
Nice USSR v2.0 you got there
Did you hear about Troll factory :)
Money makes the rules of this planet, if you have no money you get no say.
Your people had and still have a choice, leave.
>He thinks our people were lapping it up in the life of luxury during the empire days
Oh dear boy, the poverty in our country would make you Eastern Soviet shit holes look like multi billionaires don't you fucking lecture me. You whored your soul to the devil, that decision was made by your elected representatives, you could have rioted, you could have killed your politicians, you could leave now. But no, you won't. We as a people acted with balls, we said no to the Euro currency and we've said no to the federalisation and we're walking away from this shit show before we become entangled in its shitshow. Yeah we have problems but we don't need anymore problems caused by the EU thanks.
Earn your soul back, slay the devil.
I ftfy.
>Nice USSR v2.0 you got there
It Would Be a Shame If Something Happened to It !
this is all russias fault!
They can just do a repeat of the time when they signed the Lisbon Treaty.
Yeah, our eternal butthurt doesn’t really work well when it comes to diplomacy, especially 1939 proved this. But right now it is actually a good thing, because they will punish us -> more butthurt -> leaving the eu
>quintassentially european
Daily reminder democracy is a meme
The EU only treats Eastern part of Europe as Consumers, and not as Citizens like Western European states in the EU.
>Money makes the rules of this planet
Its true to some extent but its not absolute
That's what Yuri Bez told us would happen. Half baked retards in positions of power.
fuck EU
our govt is fixing the country, at last
krauts don't like it because they cannot bribe everyone in Poland anymore
they drained Poland way more than the gibs they 'gave' us (which mostly went to left-wing traitors and their companies or organizations anyway)
I hope merkel dies of cancer in weeks-long suffering
and then face people spit on her grave
They all talk the same insistent way like its not a choice.
Accept diversity or we will give you war, the globalists speak though this man
mhm, whatever you say
we rioted against the socialists, I myself was out rioting in 2006-2008, there's no point in rioting against orbán, he does stupid shit sometimes but at least he listens to populism
the eu doesn't really do anything to us, we take their money and tell them to fuck off if they ask stupid shit
ye you left, well not yet but you said you will, when your capital is already africa and there's muslim rapegangs in every one of your major cities with indians and niggers replacing your population so I have doubts about those balls
Poland is a shithole, theres even polish workers here kek .. EU and Russia should split it in half ww style
I highly doubt anyone would leave the eu, like I said at this point they're locked in here with us not the other way around
and you still have something on the table, because poland is the most reliable ally in international politics, probably due to how simple minded they are, so orbán most likely will veto any action against poland because it is in his interest to do so
>European commission tells other member states that Polish reforms put fundamental democratic values at risk
Says an undemocratic bureaucratic organisation that is trying to bully the Polish government into not doing what they were democratically elected to do. Democracy really just mean "doing what we want you to" to these cretins.
>EU
Me thinks poland is going to tell them to sit and spin.
Orban is very aware that if he doesn’t veto, then the EU will come for Hungary and we wouldn’t veto as well in such case.
>the fundamental rules that make it up are sound
Fucking lol. Your country is ruled by litigious kikery hiding behind the "rule of law" buzzphrase. Nothing sound about it: utterly corrupt and completely unrepresentative of the peiple over which it governs. Sure the EU has no genuine organic ties to the people over whom it "rules", but it doesn't rule all that much when compared to your Federal government (which also has little genuine connection to the population over which it rules).
The US Federal Government is like the EU on steroids. Get back to me when the EU crushes whichever countries who decide to leave with total war and then carpetbagging.
The EU is bankrupt you fool. Completely insolvent and pretending not be be. Poland is in great shape compared to the EU as a whole.
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I love how French media cover this
>EU is good
>its rules are the best
>Poland refuses to follow them
>Poland is fascist
And I think people believe it because very few French know how the EU works, they think it's a magical thing that is a necessary blessing.
All you need to know about (((EU)))
yeah "fixing" stuff by kicking out everyone from any position, that isn't linked to PiS. Tell me how were middle level officers in border guard or police linked to krauts? Or people working in science institutes. Kicking out people that are specialists in their field of work, with 0 links anything political, were is the sense in doing that? Then they hire dudes who have no idea what to do. they lose grants, don't know how to write EU documents. And suddenly institutes that were in the black for decades, suddenly are in the red, and the minister of course decides it is time to make them part of the ministry.
I don't care about political parties, left or right, fuck them all. What I want is to have a good stable job, and that I don't have to worry someone is going to kick me out of work for not being part of this or that party.
Fucking PiS has no plan, other then we take control of everything and then everything will work somehow, because we true and just, and true and just can't fuck up economy. sometimes I think my dad is right, and pis, unlike other parties in polands history since PZPR, are not an actual party, but more like a cult or a religion.
I had no love for PO or SLD, but they didn't care about people that didn't love them. PiS doesn't accept that, your not with them, you should do I have no idea what? leave for another country or something. Because right now it is easier for a moron that work as an apothecary assistent to get a job, then someone who worked at the best swiss insititutes.
>implying it is any different here
>xenophobic and nationalistic government constantly breaking the law
>eu forced to intervene to save the „country of law”
>changes are undemocratic
are you deliberately committing every possible grammatical error?
Didn't even vote for them but if it's true it only means that previous party was eve bigger piece of shit:
financialobserver.eu
Is there a scenario in which some kind of european union army invades poland( to show what happens if you keep saying 'fuck off') that then triggers polands allies?
and this shows EU is an authoritarian dictatorship where you have zero control of your own country.
obvious anyway.
They are fucking us hard out of Brexit.
They will be fucking Austria over next mark my words.
The EU is a new world order transition.
They need to be brought down and brought down FAST, its probably already reaching the end of the window to prevent them going full Reich.
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They won't do anything all they can do is to bribe failed politicians from all over europe, talk shit in 'liberal' media and give soyboys illusion they're part of something great.
nope
>you can have voting right
>but only if you vote the way we want
so much for freedom and democracy
>Genocide
genocide
>Genocide
genocide
EU is a criminal organization that exists to genocide the native European population. To replace them with easily
controllable subhumans
Looks like Polish Plumbers will have to go on strike. How will Germans unclog their toilets after eating so much kebab & halal food now?
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nah just very bad at english.
well I know is that when PiS came to power they were still people installed in the institute back when they had a coalition goverment. No one kicked out the profesors, if they were good at their job.one of the first thing PiS did, when it came to power 2 years ago, was change the law how science institute works. When before the directors were picked by the faculty, now it is the minister doing it, plus he picks like 1/2 of the institutes counciles. first 6 months there were a ton of people kicked out of work, or put what we call a freezer, most pay comes from projects, if you don't do any your salary is as high as a high school teachers, And they hired like a ton of 20-30 year olds, who have no expiriance in running projects or big institutes. Worse they are so scared what the minister may think, they do not do a thing. So if shit drops, they wait for months to act, and if they are forced to act they always do it as a collective, so you can't pin point anyone to blame.
Again I don't care about politics. But the way PiS thinks an economy will run, is too simiular to how the communist party though it would run. Am not saying it can't, it works in china. But Poles have a much different mentality, making the whole project dead on arrival.
I they want to build our economy on everyone buying electric cars from Poland, who are going to be produced by a firm that belongs to a friend of the new prime minister. And dumping a ton of money in to military. which doesnt matter anyway, because the only country that could be willing to go to war with us, is going to beat Poland 10/10 times, because it has fucking nukes.
dude please don't talk about bribes, every party takes bribes. What is important what those bribes are and what those people do with those bribes. If Polish bribes were ones like the Korean politicians and parties take, I would be super happy. Look how far it brought their country.
One day they will try something. some high ranking officials in the european union will have a secret council and do some crazy shit. We burgers have bases all over germany though, so if they try anything to ballsy we will stomp them pretty easy
What did you fucks do
Well they opened borders for people from Ukrain. And those work for less money then the Poles, so you know.
Plus most Poles that work in germany are either nurses or care takers, sesonal workers or IT.
Rare?
The European Commission launched unprecedented disciplinary proceedings against Poland on Wednesday over its judicial reforms which TEC says threaten the rule of law.
In a major escalation against one of the EU's biggest states, EU triggered article 7 of the EU treaty over what it sees as "systemic threats" to the independence of the Polish judiciary from the nation's right-wing government.
>Never before used against an EU member state, the proceedings can eventually lead to the "nuclear option" of the suspension of a country's voting rights within the bloc.
>The row underlines growing east-west tensions within the European Union, with former Soviet bloc states like Poland and Hungary refusing to toe the Brussels line on several thorny issues including judicial and media independence as well as immigration.
>"It is with a heavy heart that we have decided to initiate Article 7.1. But the facts leave us with no choice," Commission VP Timmermans said.
The Dutch commissioner said that 13 laws adopted by Poland in the space of two years had created a situation where the government "can systematically politically interfere with the composition, powers, the adminstration and the functioning" of judicial authorities, but Timmermans gave Warsaw 3 months to remedy the situation, saying they could withdraw the measures if it did.
>European Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker said on Twitter it was "a difficult day for Poland, but also for the EU" and said he would meet Poland's new prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki early next month.
EU has repeatedly warned Poland that it views the changes as a threat to the democratic principles and rule of law Poland signed up to when it joined the European Union.
>"Poland deplores the EC's launch of the procedure foreseen in article 7, which is essentially political, not legal" in nature, the Polish foreign ministry said in a statement, adding that it risks undermining "mutual trust".
Morawiecki, who last week insisted on his country's "absolute right" to reform its own judicial system, struck a more conciliatory note while insisting on Warsaw's sovereignty in the matter.
>"Poland is as devoted to the rule of law as the rest of the EU. Current judiciary reform is deeply needed. The dialogue between the Commission and Warsaw needs to be both open and honest. I believe that Poland's sovereignty and the idea of United Europe can be reconciled."" he wrote on Twitter.
Because of the EU gibs, your country had the same GDP as Nigeria before it joined the EU. And you Poles are still flocking to England, Ireland, Germany, Scandinavia.
ENOUGH KURWA