Does the attractiveness of a tranny determine the validity of their gender identity?

does the attractiveness of a tranny determine the validity of their gender identity?

should the "passing" trannies be treated legally by society as normal women?

Does the number of discrete personalities of a paranoid schizophrenic determine the validity of their personal identities?

Should a crazy person be treated legally as 10 people?

not really the same thing desu

>does the attractiveness of a tranny determine the validity of their gender identity?

The attractive ones are certainly used to prop up The Agenda.

gigi isn't even that attractive IMO
she falls squarely in uncanny valley at best

Looking at this is like looking at an obituary.

>the validity of their gender identity
What does this mumbo jumbo even mean?

should the trannies that look like real women be treated as more legitimate

You should save the slightly newer one in future, a few of the photos were old in that version

No, but I'll ignore them. I just want these creeps no where near my family. I don't want them to target straight men for dating, and I don't want to have to engage with them beyond someone else at the office that I ignore.

He or she pick one. I am not doing this xir, Xhey, Zim shit

They aren't legitimate. So what's with all the talk of them being made to feel legitimate?

I don't care how people feel. It's not my job to secure their feelies. A man saying he's a woman just because he mutilates his body is NOT legitimate. So why would I be expected to treat it as such?


Just because I put seat covers on my head and run around yelling "VROOOM VROOM" doesn't mean I'm a car. But can I bark up everyone's tree for not validating my mental illness? Cars have seat covers and go vroom, so how can you deny my validity as a car?

I just don't care about you, or your first world problems.

You're desperate attention whores who love being exploited by Democrats

You're boring.

less specifically being made to "feel" legitimate, but more the legal implications like bathroom laws, title IX enforcement, etc

the difference between being transgender and being trans-human is that there is an actual biological basis for being transgender..the brain and the body do not develop in perfect synchronization in the uterus
many here like to talk about the effects of xenoestrogens, doesn't like environmental hormone disruptions could play a huge role in the formation of sex-specific areas of the brain?

that seems more likely to me than just people making it up for attention as said
in the end humans are just controlled by our biology

thanks user!

>choker
>weird glove things

it's like they're not even trying

If the tranny looks like a pretty woman/girl(hell, even average if theyre not fat) then they should be treated properly.

fat, ugly fucks deserve to be shamed, but the online tranny community outside tumblr does an excellent job at mentally torturing these wretches anyway.

if gender really is a performative thing, in that it is meant to be an expression of a person's identity, then it would stand that a more convincing performance of femininity is going to be more readily accepted because it seems more genuine. it's similar to someone being considered a great orator; if their speech is convincing regardless of its underlying truth, then they're more likely to be considered great. since gender is a social construct it would stand that its validity is subjective to the collective acceptance of society, and so an expression of feminine gender that more people appreciate is effectively more valid.

TL;DR yes because if something is a social construct then it is only as valid as society judges it to be

>but the online tranny community outside tumblr does an excellent job at mentally torturing these wretches anyway.
ain't that the truth

this is a really good answer, I totally agree

should that impact how they are legally treated though? especially if they are not physically feminine

Yes.

It's not what you do, it's how attractive you are while you do it.

for example, if someone isn't feminine in the slightest and doesn't look feminine at all, is it ok to then say they're lying about their identity?
otherwise i'm not sure on what ground you could refuse them access to a female locker room

also I do think that some of the "performance" of femininity is socially learned, but I believe a lot of it does stem from biology

based

Mental illness should not be normalized and promoted. It should be diagnosed and treated.

thank you
>should that impact how they are legally treated though?
honestly it's difficult to say because our legal system really has no framework of precedent which we could use to predict how any court would feel about this. at the very least if there were laws applying strictly females or trans women we could say these people were "not following the spirit of the law", it would probably be very dependent on the context of each case

>for example, if someone isn't feminine in the slightest and doesn't look feminine at all, is it ok to then say they're lying about their identity?
i would say yes. however in a legal context see what i wrote above for why that's hard to answer

>not using they or yall
>litterally no effort and shows you dont even give a fuck to figure out anyones gender.
its the perfect word.

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hey nice my maymay is catching on.

>tripfags are attention whores
who'da thunk?
List of trips to filter them?

>y'all
that's a gross word, i'm from (((new york))) so if "you guys" doesn't catch on as a gender neutral second person plural i would only ever resort to saying "yous". i'll die before "y'all" ever becomes a part of my vocabulary when talking to other white people

no one "promotes" being trans...being trans isn't fun
the diagnosis is gender dysphoria and the treatment is transition, usually both socially and medically (hormones/surgery)

>"not following the spirit of the law", it would probably be very dependent on the context of each case
that does make sense there wouldn't need to be a perfect definition that fits every case

maybe in that way it's a bit similar to having childhood pictures of a 6 year old naked in a bathtub vs child pornography

Well, for starters, the only way I'll ever refer to a tranny as 'she', is if he tricks me into thinking he's a woman. I consider their ability to 'pass' as a female the criteria we should use to decide whether to ostracize them from society or to quietly ignore them. Just like with pedophilia, you're only allowed in public if you can trick people into believing you're not a pedophile. Once we know, you're no longer welcome in our society, so you better keep up appearances.

And, honestly, it's time to institute this policy for faggots too. Back into the closet for each and every one of them. Society should start punishing it's aberrant members again. Stray too far from acceptable parameters, and you're out of the fucking club.

yeah exactly, if there's convincing evidence that you really identify and attempt to present yourself as a woman then you're good, if it seems like you're just claiming to be a woman to stare at other women in a gym locker room then you're not protected there

I am southern, you really can't talk southern at work or spergs like this
appear instantly and start insulting your intelligence, even though the south only has bad grades and low IQ because niggers and spics have bad grades and low IQ. It's one of their accidentally racist opinions but no really, they will discriminate the fuck out of whites talking southern at most white collar jobs. So no.

SAGE

top kek @ this guy

but I did it for 2 years with no problem.

also yous is retarded
if you dont want to contract just say you all.

So you want me to go to work and punish 3/4 of the people there? How about you folks stop sharing stupid ideas that will get our people in an even worse bind should anyone actually follow it.

>go pretend to be normal people or we'll force you to hide so you end up breeding more.
why do you want degeneracy to multiply?

>general thread
>that many tripfags
jesus christ

they created a whole seperate general to get away from tripfags

some of the ladyboys i saw in bangkok were stunning and more beautiful than average girls but that doesnt change the fact that its a mentally ill faggot underneath

Posting this because anyone who has thought about being a tranny or fucking a tranny should read it.

Oh wow I actually know that beepbeep person irl... who knew they posted on Sup Forums.

certain male features like legs and even jawline can be incredibly beautiful as a woman..obviously this isn't true for all

why do you use the term mentally ill? serious question

t. never had tranny feelings
that's a really horrible and inaccurate description

no way really

Yea worked with them when they were a dude and they have a lot of mutual friends with me. Would fuck.

calm down guy, i'm pretty sure the south's low IQ can be explained more by a combination of factors like the reconstruction era, decades of hookworm epidemics, and low public spending on education more than just "the coloreds"

yeah actually yous is definitely retarded, more so than y'all if you go by the kind of people who say it

being a real tranny is a mental condition because it causes the bearer distress and psychological harm. that said pol normally uses it because theyre retarded and are trying to downplay the idea that trans as a condition is real, so they refuse to say the type of mental disorder or illness, the just spout mental illness like lefties spout "Evidence based". its a way to drag the narrative away from the reality of gender dysphoria and provoke an embittered response. so basically propaganda.

it's kind of like someone expecting to find a bf/gf when they put no effort in being attractive. and honestly, if you aren't going to try to pass, why transition at all?

maybe you do all you can and don't pass that well. in that case I feel for you and either way there is no reason to bully or hurt trans people.

The passing ones are going to get less abuse, that's for sure.
No-one likes ugly people in general and there's no way to deny that.
Of course if they got the drugs before puberty, most have a real good chance to pass and it means less beta fucks being depressed sacks, sounds like a win win situation to me.

hi im from mtfg can I get a #based dashy kekistani meme merchant groyper bf

Jesus Christ,
One of those looks just so, Australian.

trip on fagit

there for sure should be more effort put in than just growing out your hair and taking some estrogen
you seem nice user :)

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>if you aren't going to try to pass, why transition at all?
Because I suffer from a mental illness called gender dysphoria, not being able to pass just makes everything far, far worse.
I wonder who this is?
Was that really you though? You're just memeing with that image right?

I'm in this collage but I wanted to clarify I'm not a tranny I'm a superior male shitlord. Don't fall for the memes

They're all disgusting
How can they look at themselves and say "I'm a girl" when all they see are these monster faces
And fuck them for associating k-on with their mental illness

You aren't op?
I'm surprised and kind of glad then.

I already have a gf(male). Sorry.
To address the thread topic, I treat her like a princess and see her as no less a woman than I treat my wife. I never think of her as a boy even when we're snuggled up watching a movie with my hand in her panties.

Kek, they might tell you to transition so someone on this board can get a pol gf (male). You could cuddle and talk about the jews all night long.

I'm the one that looks like a 12 year old boy. I don't look like a monster, just a weird looking turtle man boy, I'm a normal person. I'm just worried someone I know will see this. Fuck I really hope no one I know browses Sup Forums.

delet

given the fact that looking more feminine = less symptoms of dysphoria, you should be trying to pass even if you can't.

>k-on
>dykes doing rock and roll
>most degenerate subculture in japan.
cmon senpai. fits to a t

Big strong pol bf, think about it. It would be great for you. You could dress all pretty for him and he'll treat you like a princess.

lol I know who you are.
I was just afraid that you were here trying to impress all of your Sup Forums 'friends'
omg I misread your post, sorry ;____;
Yes sorry I kind of agree but it's not always possible and can be very hard for some.

Trannies should respond to "sex" as any biopsy or clinical evaluation would determine. To engender anything as "feminine" reduces the actual the predispositions of female psychology as fickle superficial appearances.

Fuck you
k-on is pure

>Actually outing yourself
Oh shoot friend, I didn't see that part of the post.

I told you to DELETE

I didn't 'out myself' but my face posted to this collage implies I'm 'trans' and I wanted to set the record straight in case anyone I know browses here which is very possible

>being bullied all throughout school for being feminine and acting feminine
>there are people who wonder why some people don't go fully out immediately

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thank you, I had a friend that was transgender. when she was a girl it actually made me like her more that she wasn't like the others.

assuming you're on hormones, did they help your mind? I've heard it makes a trans person feel more balanced or at peace.

I'm just going to touch on two topics here.

Firstly, autists from /mtfg/ are coming here if you didn't guess it from the OP picture. /mtfg/ is unironically, literally, objectively the worst place on this site. You won't find a more grim bunch of fabricated cheer where if you're not a tripfag everyone ignores you, where everyone will smile at you and place nice before taking off their name to shittalk each other behind their backs and their little off site groups. If any of you nerds are questioning stay away from that place, and /lgbt/ as a whole like the plague it is.

Second, as for the OPs actual question, everyone should be as long as they put in effort. Being trans is not something anyone in their right mind would wish for or be happy about, and while as a lmaoancap I would be the last person to ever say how you should speak of someone, treating someone who is clearly trying to pass even if they don't as a woman is an act of human kindness towards someone who is probably in untold amounts of agony.

Also fuck off OP and go back to /mtfg/. I know you're from there, trans, and crossboarding this shit. It achieves nothing and just makes the masses of nerds here think worse of trans people than they already do.

hi id.

Faggots are faggots, and should be treated as such, irrespective of their appearance.

stop drinking the soy then babyface, kys

ironic statement from a kekistani

I'm confused. My name is not id you mongoloid

DELETE

>implying I don't eat a healthy low carb high protein diet
I didn't choose a 'babyface' reeeee

>does attractiveness determine the validity of identity?

which Socrates answered a little while ago:

“No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”
People naturally initially judge each other based on their outward appearances. Therefor physical appearance is a central facet to one's identity.

Sometimes eople can unfortunately have an ugly face but *anyone* can take care of their body. A person wears their health on their skin and in their eyes. You can smell and taste the difference between healthy and unhealthy people.

Taking care of your body and prioritizing good health are a sign of self respect, a physical effort to make the most out of your life, extend it as long as possible, and enjoy it with the least risks as possible.

Unfortunately *all* trannies are inherently unhealthy people, physically and psychologically(which amplifies the physical) . They live in deninal, they hate their natural bodies, they pollute them with poisonous drugs and completely destroy their natural hormonal balances. Some go as far to mutilate their bodies via plastic surgery and literally rip apart and invert their most precious, erogenous organs into farcical facsimiles, open wounds in need of constant care.

nothing about transexuals is healthy and therefor nothing about them is attractive. their identities are nothing more than pathetic delusions and anyone who enables them should be held in contempt by society at large.

it is truly disgusting the physical and psychological torture that is encouraged upon these confused people. we should treat trannies like any other case of body dismorphic disorder and convince them that they are wrong, that they should accept and love their body as it is. we should push beauty standards centered around health and vitality, not genital size and increasingly convoluted sexual identities.

Completely. It is about social signalling. I don't feel up every woman I meet, so I really don't KNOW. But if a person I meet is signalling that they are a female, then I will respond that way. It isn't exactly about being "attractive" as much as adhering to the unspoken social contract.

I actually do know a few newhalf here in Japan, and to them this is the entire point -- not to confuse people around them and then invent an offense. I think almost certainly this is the case in US newhalf people too.

The people who say they are "speaking for the community" are only hijacking it to stir shit and set things on fire. Those are the real faggots. Trannies are... probably nothing you even interact with in normal life, so who cares.

>the treatment is transition

No, the treatment is beatings

>there is no reason to bully or hurt trans people.

Yes there is. Trannies are evil perverts and must be punished

Hi LAF
Order the estradiol yet?

That doesn't even make sense.

The 'passing' trannies should be treated by society as jizz troughs for the men who can't get laid and are willing to go a bit jailhouse.
In other words I'd rape you if I was blackout drunk, but only if you look a lot like a woman.
The ones who don't pass should be used in the civil service as eunuch bureaucrats.

not them but yes, hormones make you feel much better, they stopped my mood swings, insomnia and anxiety
idk why but they do so i take them, and i'm not even going to "change my gender" or try to live as female or anything

if it helps you then that makes sense to keep doing it. has anyone noticed the physical changes or does it go unnoticed since you're not accentuating the feminine aspects?

People just say I look a bit younger than I used to
It just looks like I take care of my skin basically

I was thinking they might notice your curves, like your butt turning into more of a booty, but if anything they'd probably just be a little impressed

I started hormones at 24, I'm not going to get hips or breast growth besides slight gyno
I wouldn't take them if they didn't help with so many mental things, from what I've read they work basically like antidepressants for trans people

No.

Be nice to transgirls.

You might end up marrying one one day.