What would you do to make it better?

What would you do to make it better?

Not cut all the crucial internal monologue.
Fade to black instead of dolphins.

Get rid of the rhino-faces.

Make Sakura the main heroine and have Shirou realize how retarded trying to be a superhero is.

The point of UBW is that he realized exactly that. But it makes him happy, so why not try?

I came to shitpost "muh internal monologue", but it was unironically the first reply TOP KEK

Scrap it and wash my hands of it

>why not try?

The grasp of a man should exceed his reach, impossible as it is.

I'd throw in some actual visual action between Shiro and Rin, even something as little as a kiss. Everybody wanted more to happen than just a confession.

Keep the studio, make it Fate route.

He knows what could lie ahead of him, but he'll try anyway. And whatever happens, he won't regret it.

Remove Shirou's ideals of toxic masculinity.

More archer.

Disgusting. UBW is the best part of stay night.

Watching it felt like reading the novel, in other words I fell asleep during the non-action parts.

It was quite good. I liked the extra content like Medea's backstory as a servant before going rogue, and I wouldn't mind seeing more of that - I was actually pulling for maybe something with Bazett when Kotomine revealed himself to be Lancer's master during the attic encounter. The last episode was, of course, a pleasant surprise.

More elements like that would have been splendid.

Just adapt Apocrypha already

Pedos got their three seasons and a movie, mouthbreathers got a Grand Order movie for some fucking reason, stop jerking off Saber and give us Apocrypha already if no one's going to touch Extra

I liked it. The director made some mistakes, but those are not that obvious on the first watch. Other than that, I think it couldn't have been better than it was.

Replace Saber with Scat.

Kill Saber.

The biggest plothole: Why the fuck wasn't Shirou's hand bandaged like in the VN? Everybody could see his fucking command seals.

Isn't SHAFT doing an Extra series?

Unfortunately, both Apocrypha and Extra are getting adaptations in 2017 and 2018 respectively. More cancer secondaries incoming.

because they forgot lol

If that's the case, I can't wait to see some delicious Caster action.

1) Get rid of the insulting GCI shit
2) Stop trying to animate the VN verbatim
3) Find better ways to convey Shirou's motivations and character development as the MC
4) Write out and rewrite the highschool crap, minimize it
5) Make it more intense and "realistic", like Zero (i.e. make it feel like the characters are actually in a life-or-death fight and get rid of the highschool crap)
6)Do Rin x Shirou better

they had 3 chances to make FSN adaptation good

>I think it couldn't have been better than it was.

It was boring though, like the VN

Build up the final battle more.

Its focused on Nero so we're not sure how much screentime Tamamo is getting.

Assassin vs Saber missed the sword getting bent.

It would have been nice if they'd taken a more character-oriented focus initially. For example, start the show with Shirou's necessary backstory, then fast forward to >le highschool setting, focusing on Rin and Shirou's ordinary lives. Then bring in the magic grailwar shit, and slowly start showing the audience, in that context, that neither Shirou or Rin are really ordinary teenagers. Don't just go: "BOOM. Okay now they're magical teenagers in a fight for their lives (but not really because neither of them really changes as a character at all. Remember to attend class lols). EXPLOSIONS! We have to take absurd risks to save our classmates XD!"

Y'see, doing that would pretty much entail an entire reworking of the story.

>thread

The hilt broke in the anime.

You can't show Katana's being bent on TV, especially against western swords.

Skip it and adapt HF instead. Cull unnecessary scenes from HF, too. Include an OVA for Sparks Liner High and Mind of Steel ends.

There was the one iconic scene with Rin and Shirou, and that was great. Hard to mess that up, and Ufotable definitely did not. But aside from that, their relationship felt inappropriate and absolutely out of place with the rest of the plot

>The romance scene with Cu right before they plan on attending a life threatening "one in a million chance we both will not die" fight to the death with Archer, a servant, and Rin is blushing and acting all tsun because Shirou said he likes her

Jesus christmas, come on Japan

And? That is bad why? God forbid we see a little creativity or compelling storytelling in anime

>Just adapt Apocrypha already
>adapting the worst entry in the franchise

well it's happening anyway so I guess I'll have to suck it up.

It felt jarringly fanservice-y, to say the least.

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Glad you're mad.

God forbid they faithfully retell an original story that they're fucking adapting to screen, eh?

How would you propose to make F/SN workable without all of the purple-prose and other bullshit? How in fuck would you convey all of Nasu's convoluted horseshit adequately?

Truthfully if I were in charge Id kneck myself. There is not a single thing in this entire fucking franchise that is not completely and utterly retarded.

>How in fuck would you convey all of Nasu's convoluted horseshit adequately?
You don't. Just cut and simplify the bullshit.

dolphins

>Just cut and simplify the bullshit
>Just
That sure is some "compelling storytelling" you've got there.

Make RIN PLEASES OLD MEN FOR MONEY canon.

Remove Shirou, make Saber's master Sakura and make Rider's master Shinji using worms or some shit.

Not being an edgy secondary would help.

>5) Make it more intense and "realistic", like Zero (i.e. make it feel like the characters are actually in a life-or-death fight and get rid of the highschool crap)

Everytime I read this argument I don't get if you guys are trolling or completely missed the whole point of fsn, and why it's supposed to be a fake war featuring kids and random people due to the mess the adults did.

You're misunderstanding user's argument, I would like to assume. In UBW's case, alot of the "bullshit" that needs to be cut has little to do with Shirou's character. It's not the story that was told, but how they told it. They were too concerned with sticking to the VN as closely as possible. They instead should have asked "How can this be shown in a way that is as engaging and captivating as possible?" Shirou is an interesting character, and the grailwar is an interesting concept. Work with that. Focus on that. Everything else can be reworked to improve on the "porn VN for middle schoolers" shortcomings. Why do we need to see the exact story retold? Make it better. Make it an event to watch. Make it new.

Nobody ever wants to rewatch UBW.

Thanks for pointing that out.

>it's supposed to be a fake war featuring kids and random people due to the mess the adults did.

I mean, okay, fine. But you have to at least admit that is was written this way explicitly to justify including elements that appeal to a younger demographic. It wasn't a coincidence. Just more of Nasu's "creative writing" to tie loose ends together that are primarily motivated by commercialism. Typical of the franchise, and transparent to people who aren't fanboys. That kind of thing can be changed without taking the meaning out of the story. And, again, changing it would make a better anime.

See above. You've got no legs to stand on as a FSN fan, accusing secondary cancerfags like myself of being "edgy." The VN is edgy as all hell. What makes Zero and FSN different is not the degree of edginess, that is for damn sure. Shirou and Kiritsugu are the same basic character. One is just done better than the other.

>They were too concerned with sticking to the VN as closely as possible.
Pretty much. It's one of the few gripes I have with the anime. The staff had too much respect for the source material. It's not like Nasu's writing was amazing in the first place.

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I wish there was a term for this kind of writing. I see it alot in anime. Just because a convenient circumstance is justified in the plot does not mean its commercial motivations are rendered non existent. Shounen sells more than seinen. That's what's going on here. Nasu and Takeuchi have said a million times they had to make sacrifices in the VN so it would sell to teenagers. But now that the franchise is so much bigger, and the fanbase probably somewhat older, what is the reason they can't now go back and redo some of that? It is the perfect opportunity.

It's just laziness. It's a lack of artistic drive. Nasu isn't the same man he used to be. He's rich and fat.

cookingpriest already here?
>muh monologues and 2.5 hours 51 episode

>GCI shit
90% of what you call CGI shit is hand draw

>The staff had too much respect for the source material.

Tsh. So typical of Japanese, to be that way. Not that I can criticize them too harshly, but their respect ("reverence" is maybe a better word) here is misguided, and probably plagued by the typical fear of losing money by changing the formula and taking chances. What they need to start more concerning themselves with is producing quality, intelligent, creative, and engaging content. I mean, that's alot more work, that's alot harder, than just sticking to the formula verbatim. They played it safe, and called it respect. It's just fear, which, again, I can't blame them for too harshly. Loosing money is nothing to fuck with. That's your bread and butter.

We need to fix the global economy and dismantle the banking cartels so the Japanese can afford to make better anime.

I understood it perfectly. Unfortunately, a lot of what made the F/SN VN good, especially with regards to fleshing out character motivation (which F/SN sucks without) was relegated to internal/expository dialogue. Adapting the big (some would say bloated) ideas represented in any meaningful way visually would be very, very difficult to do. F/SN is about Shirou, and without his motivations fleshed out to the extent they are in the VN, he's just a plain old shit-tier MC.

I actually agree with you that F/SN UBW would have benefited from a darker tone and changes to the story, but that would be completely untenable. What you're wanting isn't UBW at all, but perhaps an original Fate series. Just say so, and we're golden. Or, you could wait for Heaven's Feel and see how that turns out.

Nasu has squandered the TM universe completely. Fate was a fucking mistake.

The animation was up to UFO's standard for the most part. However, there was a handful of shots that had blatant, glaring CGI thrown in. It looked fucking terrible, and almost felt like a "fuck you we don't give a shit" from the studio, compared to the majority of the quality.

>Adapting the big (some would say bloated) ideas represented in any meaningful way visually would be very, very difficult to do

They did it just fine in Zero

Agreed. The fight scenes were pissweak compared to Fate/Zero's also. Ufotable's starting to lose their touch for sure.

Because Zero was a light-novel series, with multiple protagonists. Nasu had nothing to do with writing it, also.

That's the studio's digital team doing their own thing. Their art direction was somewhat misguided at times, that semi-photorealistic look simply isn't a good way to go about it.

If anything UBW's action animation blows F/Z's out of the water. Ufo's top action animators went all-out in UBW and the studio also had a great freelance animator showing up on the regular.

>That's because Zero was written better

That is exactly my point, good gentlesir

> But you have to at least admit that is was written this way explicitly to justify including elements that appeal to a younger demographic
What is this supposed to be? A critic? Because it means nothing.
Alright, I'll bait. Let's say school setting is just for the sake of waifus, then we can change all the characters and introduce new ones, 'cause that wouldn't change the plot right?
What you all ask though is to make the war realer, which would be writing a new story, and it's completely unrelated to the crappy setting you are talking about at the moment.
And as a side note, criticizing a work only because of its setting, and without thinking why it's that way is dumb and denotes a very narrow mind.

>The VN is edgy as all hell
Except it's not, but you're a secondary so no wonder you don't know that.
You edgefags prefer zero, which was written specifically for people who know fsn, just because muh adults and muh real war, when it's the same shit as its sequel in the end.

Can you give some examples? Now that you mention it, I suppose that is very true. I can't think of any action sequences in Zero that would compare to Cu vs Archer or Saber vs Berserker. Maybe Assassin's infiltration of the Tohsaka manion? Maybe?

However, when watching Zero vs UBW, you would tend not to notice the lesser effort put into the action animation, because in general the story itself, and the characters, are so much more engaging. Story, story, story. Gil and Kirei. Rider and Waver. Saber and Kiritsugu. UBW has nothing that even comes close.

SAKURA

Parts of both the Saber vs Diarmuid fights had some nice animation, and so did Saber unleashing Excalibur on Caster's monster. Even still, the animators who contributed the best scenes in Zero went on to do even better work in UBW.

I did find Zero's story to be better though.

>Except it's not

Come on. This is just fanboy delusion.

>Rider's M scene with Shirou
>Illya almost rapes Shirou, and probably originally did but Nasu pulled it
>Shirou rapes Rin

This is just off the top of my head, and I'm intentionally ignoring the highschool shounen tropes

>probably originally did but Nasu pulled it
pretty sure this is confirmed in a tiger dojo. they had a design for the outfit illya would wear in the h-scene and everything.

>This is just fanboy delusion.
And yours is a groundless statement.
Zero is much more edgier than stay night.
Do I have to list all of them, the way you did?
Also how are shounen tropes edgy if I may ask? Ignoring the fact that zero itself is full of them and it's just a glorified chuuni.

Manchilds BTFO.

Thanks God that Sakura was there to save Shirou.

>Because it means nothing.
Cognitive dissonance
>Alright, I'll bait
I'll say
>What you all ask though is to make the war realer, which would be writing a new story
God forbid
>criticizing a work only because of its setting, and without thinking why it's that way denotes a very narrow mind.
This is peculiar, because you're accusing others of doing exactly what you are doing. You're the one who is refusing to consider the possibility of improvements because of nostalgia goggles. Your mentality is exactly why they stuck to the VN verbatim. It's consumers like you who hold the industry back and stifle creativity.

>just because muh adults and muh real war, when it's the same shit as its sequel in the end.
Again, cognitive dissonance. UBW and Zero, while they have many thematic similarities, are very different works in many ways. They were written by different people with very different styles and skills.

Alright, I respectfully give up. I'm surprised to find myself somewhat stunned that you exist. You are more Sup Forums than me. For the sake of the board I will let this rest here and will not challenge your opinions further. In the future, please try to be less upset by the fact that newfags and secondaries like myself feel this way when comparing Zero and UBW/FSN. Because while it might not appear so to you, but to many people my opinions about the comparison will seem extremely self evident and obvious.

Ufo digital team is still best one. And they get better and better

Change Saber for Prototype Saber.

Make the heroine in Fate route Illya.

Remove Saberface.

Remove genderswap.

They're talented alright, but they need to blend their digital work better with the 2D animation rather than having it stick out like a sore thumb. This kind of approach does not age well at all.

>Remove genderswap.
It's litteraly change nothing.

Come on, at least answer the only legit question I asked: how would making the war real not change the subject, supposed that you actually know what stay night is about.
In the end you just spouted buzzwords without giving a proper answer.

>This is peculiar, because you're accusing others of doing exactly what you are doing. You're the one who is refusing to consider the possibility of improvements because of nostalgia goggles. Your mentality is exactly why they stuck to the VN verbatim. It's consumers like you who hold the industry back and stifle creativity.

When did I do that? I just said saying something sucks because of its school setting is narrow-minded, which is, in fact, true. No nostalgia involved, but gratz for the deep and sophisticated words you used I suppose?

> They were written by different people with very different styles and skills.

Except they worked on it together, and both zero and night are chuunishit.

>It's consumers like you who hold the industry back and stifle creativity
Oh shut the fuck up you drama queen. As I've asked previously many times in this thread, how would you make changes to the story tenable while retaining the core of the cast and their characteristics, as well as solving the problem of conveying the long-winded ideas from the VN into suitable visual representations? THAT is the core fucking problem, and it will not go away just because you add some death and gore. The story would still be a heaping pile of shit because Shirou himself, who the story revolves around, would be a heaping pile of shit.

Like I also said previously, if you'd just come out and call it a Fate original series, fine. But an UBW adaptation is what the fans asked for, and it's what they got. If you want more Zero, tough shit.

He's right, you know. Both F/SN AND Zero are Chuuni-tier shit. They just happen to be very, very good chuuni-tier shit.

The only instances that I can recall, not counting vehicles because Japs can't do cars at all well apparently, Ufotable producing wonky/bad CGI are from the F/SN UBW series.

>both zero and night are chuunishit.
Chuuni need schoolboys.

Go learn what chuuni novels are before talking.

Oh wow. Tell me more.

Not at all. Zero's just a really, really good battle shounen desu.

>battle shounen

Zero is Seinen

>muh cognitive dissonance
inigomontoya.exe
Don't you have a sales thread to bait people with your socially acceptable anime in?

Powerlevels is a sufficient reason to call said series chuuni.

Chuunibyou are schoolboys
Literally anything in the urban fantasy genre can appeal to chuunibyou

Is this the shit opinion thread?

Zero is a light novel, it doesn't fall into any manga demographics

Why don't they just use guns like that lad from Zero?

>socially acceptable

I just know what kinds of things I like, and I'm keenly aware of it when things are not that.

Off the top of my head, in the last three or four years of having anime/mango as a hobby, there's only been a few that I have, for the most part, thoroughly enjoyed. Truth be told, I almost dropped and deleted Zero on episode 10: "Rin's Big Adventure."

It's the "that one retard from ANN tries to desperately recycle the same 'Fate/Zero is a masterpiece and UBW simply cannot compete because it sexualizes teenagers' bait over and over" thread

It sexualizes children, too. Don't forget desu senpai

You can call all fantasy and sci-fi as chuuni. This is pretty weird usage of chuuni. term

So does Zero, though :^)