Why exactly do communists hate traditional gender roles, nuclear families, and country/tribal loyalty so much...

Why exactly do communists hate traditional gender roles, nuclear families, and country/tribal loyalty so much? I understand they want public ownership of the means of production, but I don't understand how stuff like traditional gender roles gets in the way of that.

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I have no idea senpai.

Are you suggesting we try some nationalism, with a dash of socialism?

Dysgenic r-Selected faggots.

Because shit like that constrains their vision of "freedom and liberty"

Communism is a system that seeks to turn people into numbers instead of people. It destroys the pillars of spirituality and a human beings soul that makes them unique. Once you understand communisms end goal ie Orwellian dystopia you understand that it is the closest archetype to evil that exists.

They want to take and they want you to give. Indefinitely.

Kill them

>traditional gender roles
historically very ambiguous. we normally think about barefoot women in the kitchen when there have been numerous and widespread occasions where women took shit factory work just to get bread money
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fire
capitalism has inexorably changed gender roles, there's no use for fighting for a rose-tinted image of the past

>nuclear families
anti-communitarian

>country/tribal loyalty
misguided solidarity

They hate country loyalty because it divides the working class and promotes the idea that we have more in common with the bourgeoisie of our own country than we do with workers of another country.

There's really no sound ideological reason for communists to hate traditional gender roles or nuclear families. That's just something that developed for more complex, historical (((reasons)))

>It destroys the pillars of spirituality and a human beings soul that makes them unique
you say this while our society of profit worshipers are doing this exact same thing under mass production and dissemination of goods and culture, and the increasing commercialization of traditional human interaction.

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Yea and would you say we are heading to communism (death and slavery) or natsoc ( life and liberation) ? I believe in the 3rd position user

Family doesn't rely on the state, and thus needs to be controlled and removed

>numerous and widespread
>1911

A biological basis for behaviour and temperament gets in the way of the idea that everyone is inherently moldable into whatever you want them to be

A person that can be molded into whatever you want by social norms is exactly the kind of person that that can be used to further the collectivist ideals that communism espouses

Everything exists in relation to the state, because the state is the salvation. There is no faith, morality, biology, or economics that does not fulfill the will of the state. There is only the state and everything else must be expunged.

It's not traditional communists that hate gender roles; it's cultural marxists who hate them. They hate them because they understand that communism is impossible under western culture, so they're trying to outright exterminate western culture and remake it into something they believe is more compatible with communism.

>>numerous and widespread
Indeed it was.

So is it essentially "they want you to hold human equality as the highest ideal, and thus they must get rid of everything else we hold in high ideals, such as religion, family, culture, etc"?

>Why exactly do communists hate traditional gender roles
They don't. They just think that gender is a social construct (which it is) and that any sex should be able to express themselves how they want, that's all.

>nuclear families
They don't hate it as a personal lifestyle choice. But the idea of a nuclear family being an essential aspect of society is oppressive to women because it instills a mindset in the people that women should only be home-takers and not make something of their lives.

>country/tribal loyalty
It's complicated but basically what a flag represents is god. Even the Egyptian hieroglyph for god was a flag. It is a very Hobbesian idea to have a flag represent a nation. Patriotism and pledging allegiance to a flag stands for putting your faith into the nation-state rather than a god. Marxists see this as silly because a nation is practically a social construct. So they wave the red flag (a symbol for blood of the martyrs) to honor the people of the earth.

This is what cultural "marxists" don't believe

>But the idea of a nuclear family being an essential aspect of society is oppressive to women because it instills a mindset in the people that women should only be home-takers and not make something of their lives.
Women should not be confined to the home but this is a very capitalist and male centric viewpoint.

Because they want the population's focus in every way to be on the government. The state should be everything to a good citizen.

basically this
leftists only believe in what is ideologically compelling
if you're being motivated by what's naturally compelling, leftists think that's cruel - it's cruel to have to work to eat, even if it sure as shit gets you working; it's cruel to have to work to support your kids, even if you'd bust your ass every day of your life on their behalf
leftists bitch about capitalists and bigots all the time and constantly hemorrhage followers because ideologically compelling motivators are never going to be as widespread and persistent and long-living as the things people naturally love and will work for
this is why fascism builds civilizations and communism starves them

>this is why fascism builds civilizations and communism starves them

Did you mean capitalism...?

Fascism is just as obsessed with the completion of the collectivist saviour state as communism. It's just socialism with a nationalistic bend. Fascism and communism are both inherently opposed to individualism.

Mussolinis Doctrine of Fascism says "All is in the state and nothing human exists or has value outside the state".

Fascism is just as retarded as communism.

youre mentally ill dog, do you even biology? ill bet youre a tranny

It's just to upset the power structure once the party achieves power wall or gulag

civilizational sunsets aren't exactly a fine example of traditional times

>They just think that gender is a social construct (which it is)
[citation required]

> But the idea of a nuclear family being an essential aspect of society is oppressive to women because it instills a mindset in the people that women should only be home-takers and not make something of their lives.
Counterpoint:

The idea of women being strong independents is oppressive because it puts pressure on women to succeed in an environment designed for male-typical traits (competition, aggression, etc.). Women could be taking care of children (a role they are biologically designed to fulfill) when men could be doing all the work instead.

Work is inherently oppressive. We spent a lot of time developing a system where only one person had to suffer the oppression of working so the rest of the family could thrive, but now we have a structure where more people suffer because muh patriarchy

>Patriotism and pledging allegiance to a flag stands for putting your faith into the nation-state rather than a god.
Marxists want to replace god with the state. Communists are Utopians that want to perfect the state because completion of the perfect state will bring salvation to all.

Although I shouldn't be surprised that a person stupid enough to post with a communist flag is ignorant of the ideology they are blindly defending...

nope, I mean fascism, or whatever you'd care to call traditionalist, typically single-leader societies and groups
nations rise from warriors, the commerce and decadence happens later
individualism enforces only the self as a motivator, which is better than communism, but not sufficient to accomplish any serious achievements of human organization

You're only a few genocides away from a perfect fascist utopia where everyone agrees with you (because you have to kill anyone who disagrees)

>stupid enough to post with a communist flag is ignorant of the ideology they are blindly defending
You do realize that communism is not inherent to Marxism right?

Your counter seems to be based around the false assumption that communism equals big government and even that governments are inherent to a society's existence.

It is not a "replacement of god with the state" but rather a replacement of god with the people, the earth, and the individual.

>You do realize that communism is not inherent to Marxism right?
Socialism, marxism, communism - they're the same bullshit. It is a bad set of ideas that has been tested and resulted in spectacular failures everywhere it has been tried. It all just leads to genocide in the pursuit of utopia.

100 years and 100,000,000 lives were not enough of a sample size? How many more millions of people need to die before we get the state to perfection?

>It is not a "replacement of god with the state" but rather a replacement of god with the people, the earth, and the individual.
What the fuck is this hippy bullshit even supposed to mean?

God is the will of the people. It's the pursuit of a better future for the society that adheres to its principles. Replacing god with god makes no sense.

Read a book you ignorant communist scum

They don't, but today's Marxists know that their retarded system can't work. So the best way to try and reimplement it is to destroy what actually works and they're doing so by attacking every level of the existing system.

>They just think that gender is a social construct (which it is)

Po-mo mental gymnastics don't count as "facts".

I don't know about your country, but do you believe the shit going on in the USA is any better than communism?

Anytime I'm in Toronto, the streets are full of homeless. At least in communism, people would be housed and fed.

You don't have to agree with the philosophy. I was just informing you because you clearly are too fucking retarded to learn about these things for yourself before aggressively entering a debate with someone.

>At least in communism, people would be housed in prisons and fed to each other

Fixed that for you

All of your arguments are based on intellectual dishonesty. You are a bad debater.

Youre right theres absolutely no evidence that communism results in prisons and cannibalism.

Soviet Union? Never happened.

>civilizational sunsets aren't exactly a fine example of traditional times
how far back are we going in time until we find your ideal example of traditionalism? pre-capitalist agrarian societies? If this is what you desire, then you might find yourself being grouped with the communists as anti-capitalists

>nobody in this thread has pointed out that communism is Jewish
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