How does the doujinshi market even work? Are there no copyrights in Japan?

How does the doujinshi market even work? Are there no copyrights in Japan?

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Free marketing for series, publishers can track popularity of series based on interest and sales, so basically they get free market research and advertising just letting some autists gather

same as artist alleys in western cons

it's all fair use and creative expression, just so long as people don't, for example, write a nayroodough doujin and then claim that they invented the characters and declare they they'll take legal action against others using their likenesses

Most companies turn a blind eye to it because they understand the concept of free publicity

What would TPP have done to this? Wouldn't it have clamped down on this?

Japan isn't tainted by a certain something. They're not greedy egomaniacs obsessed with hoarding copyrights, unlike Western media producers and "artists".

There is but these are niche series, any publicity is good publicity except when a foreign entity does it out of malice because God forbid someone does something you don't like. Also it's not like they make tons of money out of it.

They get a free pass at cons. Same way gk makers get one day at wonfes to sell stuff license free. After it's over you can't hawk your shit until the next one.

lol

As it was worded, anyone could have reported a doujin artist to the police and they could have acted on behalf of the original author, even if the author didn't want the police to do anything.

This would have killed the doujin market as we know it.

Trump truly did save anime.

>Not greedy egomaniacs
Reason why the first episode osomatsu-san were removed for 400.

>what is Nintendon't

Copyright in Japan is even worse than in the USA. You can get in prison by pirating an anime episode. But the doujin market is tolerated because they'd literally bite the hands that feed them.

That goes well beyond fair use. The only reason they're still alive is because the rights holders either don't care enough or aren't actually opposed to them doing it.

>How does the doujinshi market even work? Are there no copyrights in Japan?
The IP owners are not corporations, but individual authors. And many authors actually started out as Doujin artists and don't want to betray the community that they came from.

IP fights only happen when heartless corporations own IPs, and act like a soulless machine rather than a human.

See Nintendo, with their hardcore fight against youtubers playing or even reviewing their games. When it comes down to individuals, creators actually end up customers of these doujin goods.

There is still a line one shouldn't cross. But that line is very lenient because most accept that the doujin market is good for the industry.

>They're not greedy egomaniacs obsessed with hoarding copyrights
>Nintendo
Bruh

>Nintendo

They don't give two fucks about doujins, but people are deadly afraid of them anyway.

They even hired Doujin artists to make Fire Emblem Ciper cards. And splatoon have fuckton of doujins, they never lifted a finger against this.

Yeah because they don't give a shit when their fellow countrymen does it.

For some odd fucking reason, they got a massive hate-boner for any gaijins through.

Nintendo isn't NoA.

And that shit only happens in tumblr because dumblr mods are retarded and never check the DCMA.

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if you make a popular manga it is expected that there will be doujinshi.

Even if you could litigate, its so ingrained in their culture that if you did people would think you were some sort of draconian monster and be made fun of.

Doujins would've died.

So whenever you finished ejaculating to a doujin, remember to thank Trump for that.

It's not legal right in Japan but companies only accept that. There are also several cases that companies don't allow specific things like people aren't allowed to make doujinshi games of KanColle

Most countries don't know something like "fair use".

Companies aren't stupid enough to go after something like this. It boosts their own sales and keeps people interested in their series long after it finishes. It's basically free publicity for their work. Unless something is taking huge net losses THEY could have earned, there's no reason to shut it down.

Japan has different copyright laws. In the US if you don't aggressively defend your copyright, then you can legally lose it. That's not the case in Japan, so they don't mind allowing independent people to produce their own individual content. Most companies there figure if people are going to spend money on a product in the doujin market, then they're probably going to spend money on the real product. Plus, it's good advertising.

Doujinshi fall under Free Use

People is wary of Nintendo because of what happened with Faithful Tepig, it seems like trying to draw anything with the Pokemons themselves is a no no, but you can draw Ash fucking every underage companion he has had and as long as you don't mention the word Pokemon or show a creature they don't care.

Another example was Mikumikudance models. In general IP holders don't care what fans made, and sometimes fans even sell their MMD models. But then a guy called himself TDA crossed the line and decided to sell his custom Miku MMD model with accurate logo of Crypton Future Media on her.

That raised a red flag and Crypton forced him to stop selling it. He was still allowed to distribute the model for free. You can't SELL something with someone else's logo on it, that is where it reached fraud/counterfeit territory.

Pic related.

They never shot down fateful tepig you retard.

The author confirmed this, last time that they ever lifted a finger for that kind of thing was for paheal change the tag because it was literally the first result on google.

And was Pokemon company.

Those doujinka more worry about "Is my self censorship pass the regulation?" instead some IP holder sue their works.

As far as the copyright holders are concerned doujinshi is basically free advertising.

Ignoring their primary market being the same people that eat this up, their internal workforce generally start off as doujin artist, the pool of talent they hire from will die

Its not like the west doesn't do it in a different light - why do you think Unreal engine is free to use up to a point?

>Copyright in Japan is even worse than in the USA. You can get in prison by pirating an anime episode.
Isn't it like this everywhere, where domestic products is what you will generally be arrested for?

youtube.com/watch?v=SiEXgpp37No

I love the ball of the doujin to write stuff like

>No reproduction or republication without written permission

in their doujinshi. You guys are making money with other one's IPs after all.

Before he even took office.

Not gonna lie, merely because of this I'm happy your meme president got elected.

>As it was worded, anyone could have reported a doujin artist to the police and they could have acted on behalf of the original author, even if the author didn't want the police to do anything.
Are you lying to me, user? Nobody can be retarded to pass shit like that. Right? Who would even profit from this? Spiteful fucks who can't stand people having fun?

The irony is that doujin artists flip their shit when their works get scanned and uploaded.

Enjoying free advertising my ass.

So that's why block music on youtube all the time. OK.

To be fair many of them are getting a lot of shit on 2ch and 2chan for doing it.

I don't know, but they made laws so strict that the only serious anime piracy is outside of Japan.

Yeah not gonna lie.

Ever (well almost) fuckup he has made and will made will be forgiven because of this.

Not all doujin based on other works.

Hear no evil, see no evil. It's all technically illegal under Japanese copyright law but most companies accept it because it attracts fans, provides free advertising, and doujnshi sales/printing can be used as something of a pulse for series popularity. The flipside of that unspoken agreement though is that doujinshi artists don't publish anything that puts those companies in a bad light.

The same thing is more or less true for hentai as well; technically any kind of pornography is illegal under the Japanese constitution, but the government more or less turns a blind eye so long as there's a token effort to censor the naughty bits. Recently though the government has been cracking down more because of the upcoming Olympics, which is why censorship in doujins is getting so much more obnoxious.

Also, When a doujin artist gets money, there's a good chance the artists will spend their profits on the show's merch. So it's kind of free advertising with some indirect returns.

We are obviously not talking about original works

America is retarded. Thanks God we don't have this bullshit here.

So company like Dis*ey can sue your ass when you made funny comic about Mi*key.

Not all of them, not even that many of them. Most of the ones that do are ignorant and foolish and get shat on. Plenty understand how it works.

On that note where the fuck is TSF Monogatari Append 4

I'm mexican but now I love Trump, God bless him.

>In the US if you don't aggressively defend your copyright, then you can legally lose it. That's not the case in Japan
Why is American law so bad?

That's not even actually true.
youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI&t=54s

DC vs DC, mate.

Why would courts in my country care if its legal here? I doubt American government would care enough to impose some sanctions.

I'd like to think doujinshi artists as youtube game reviewers.

They heavily rely on corporate/other people's contents to create their "own" contents.

You can pay/donate to them for their own content and you can also read/watch them for free due to same leniency.

Of course, you have some artists/youtubers who goes apeshit at people not giving dosh to them for their contents.

Basically this, imagine that you are on the street recording the shit you are doing and for 0.001 seconds a drawing of Mickey appears in a wall in the background. Later you upload that video to youtube and everything is fine.

Well, had the TPP been approved Disney could had sued your sorry ass for using their property without permission.

Yes, it was that fucked up.

The TPP also made it easier to fuckhuge megacorporations to sue entire countries for passing legislation that cut into their profits, in international court.

Holy shit the Jews really are terrifying.

It's also the farm league for new talent. Supposedly doujin artists have even been hired as assistants for series they based their work on.

You don't want to shit on the people who consume your stuff.

He could cure cancer with his tears and it still wouldn't be enough to make up for the fact that he wants to axe net neutrality.

An even worse example. You record the birthday party of your grandma, everybody sings Happy birthday to you, upload the video. Now you'd have to pay $10,000 for using that song since it was protected by a copyright and it was property of Warner Bros. (luckily some years ago someone counter-sued WB and a judge realized that having a copyright on the song was really fucked up).

That kind of shit would have been common with the TPP.

Well, so did Obama in the end. People can focus on Net Neutrality more without also worrying about the TPP.

Didn't they tried to pass SOPA before? Wasn't that same as TPP or something?

SOPA was what they tried to use to pass these kinds of laws before. When that went belly-up, that tried to sneak it in with the TPP.

Now we're back to waiting for them to try again, and they surely will.

>People can focus on Net Neutrality more without also worrying about the TPP.
Feel free to since the FCC sure isn't going to.

Both are doomsday scenarios. I'm really bummed about net neutrality, but the TPP was as bad or worse a threat.

Net Neutrality has a pretty solid legal standing now thanks to the utility status that got upheld in court.

TPP was on the fast track with Obama and would have passed with Hillary.

My country has law offices that basically spend their free time sending threats to people who pirated stuff saying that they'll sue unless they pay them money. It's a profitable business.

>Japan isn't tainted by a certain something.
oy vey

He's not.
The whole point of these trans oceanic agreements are complete corporate domination of the market.

I'm a capitalist through and through and even I'm opposed to them.

>TPP was on the fast track with Obama and would have passed with Hillary.

How sad is it that I, a lefty Berniecrat, felt like we dodged a bullet when Trump was elected and killed the TPP?

The fuck? Isn't blackmail illegal in your shithole? It's one thing if you violate copyright and copyright owner sues you, but shit is just too much.

You can't get sent to prison for simply pirating television or movies in Canada.

The jap gov fuckers finally realized that anime is a huge ass business and now want to control it.
I wouldn't even be surprised if they buy out kadokawa.

I'd suppose it's illegal and they won't do shit if you ignore them, but there are enough people who will panic and pay the money. You can't really report them either because in doing so you'd have to admit that you pirated stuff, and piracy is just slightly better than manslaughter going by the harshness of the sentences.

This fucking reeks of weeaboo delusion.

It falls under fair use, creative expression or parody.
Plus in most cases it's really not worth any of the hassle to attack a circle because it will cost the company holding the rights quite a bit in lawyer fees and such for very little return since the doujin guys will never be able to pay.
Plus in quite a few cases, it also creates free advertisment.

Nothing.
Copyrights holders COULD already go after every doujinshi circle if they wanted to.
But they have little to gain in the end, except a lot of legal battles against dozens if not hundreds of people, a blow to their reputation, and loss of free publicity.

Both are idiots in economy.

TPP would have been a bad thing for everyone except the USA.

The Jews fear the samurai.

They turn a blind eye because if they decided to act like oppressive tyrants towards their fans those people wouldn't spend half their income on their products.

>Both are idiots in economy.

Bernie basically wanted to re-instate the new deal. Call FDR an Economic Idiot in front of a history or economics professor and see how that goes.

Megukas make this post anime related, right mods?

Free advertising, it's a convenient place to find talented people who'll work for cheap because they love the IP, and playing nice gets the creators a lot of loyalty and good will from the fans.

>Call FDR an Economic Idiot in front of a history or economics professor and see how that goes.
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>Call FDR an Economic Idiot in front of a history or economics professor and see how that goes.
A-user...
newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409

It's another world that Disney didn't touch.

>How sad is it that I, a lefty Berniecrat, felt like we dodged a bullet when Trump was elected and killed the TPP?
Why does everyone keep believing this? TPP isn't dead. It is still alive and Japan is going to join it.

America only backed out of it thanks to trump. The TPP will still take affect in other countries. This includes japan.

It is illegal but also accepted.

Friendly reminder that half of the TPP was supported by the USA only because of corporate lobbying, and every other engaged country refused to sign the entire document because of clauses pushed by the US.
if it passes among the remaining signatories, most of it would be scrapped and it would hardly resemble the original project.