/Leftypol/ ONLY: How do we deal with the incel/male sexual frustration problem?

It's quite clear that sexual frustration and emasculation amongst an increasing number of young men is fuelling the toxic rise of the alt right and not any real racial struggle.

Many figures amongst the alt right, like Jordan Peterson are trying to deal with this problem, and are successfully winning over a generation of men by their coverage of male issues, despite their shitty solutions which are turning sexually frustrated beta males into the pawn for the bourgeoisie and Neo Nazis.

How do we in the left deal with this issue and be more inclusive to beta males? It seems most in the traditional and alt left would much rather pretend these issues didnt exist, or even make fun of these men, than deal with this growing male problem , which is turning the left/right rivalry into another gender war, where men will increasingly Identify with the extreme right as leftist spaces bar men from discussing uncomfortable non PC issues.

Angela Nagle, a fellow of Jacobin publications and an expert on these issues has even admitted recently that this phenomena is real, growing, and contributing to the rise of extremist politics amongst young men.

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end common law

Having an admin that sucks dick sure isn't going to help

End the sexual free market. Return to one man one wife. Every male gets a virgin wife no exceptions. women's liberation is beta male enslavement.

>be more inclusive to beta males

You faggots are the beta males.

kill all commies

A Fascist society which enforce societal norms.

>How do we in the left deal with this issue and be more inclusive to beta males?
You don't understand your problem.
The true betas are already yours, these are the people who will just fall in line.
The "aspiring alphas" are what you will loose.

Just think about it, the modern "left" has completely destroyed the male and took away everything from him that he needs for a normal development, every person who ever seriously spoke the words "toxic masculinity" is at fault here.

A return to God, King and Empire.

Fake and gay.

I said leftypol only. You will never control women or force women to do the things they'll oppose like white Sharia. None of your solutions are realistic which is expected from the alt right.

>I said leftypol only.
And?
Who cares about your rules?

I even made a constructive post.

Reinstituting the patriarchy is the only realistic option, it is coming back no matter what, either we will reinstate or our super patriarchal newcomers from the middle east and north Africa will do it. And there is nothing you can do to stop it. Because Feminism destroys societies.

One man. One wife. No exceptions.

In this moment I identify as a trasnleftypol. You should not let your unconscious biases interfere with your objective thinking and cloud you with prejudgement and bigotry.

It isn't our problem. Before anything else, American and Western European democratic socialists and communists need to cleanse themselves off the Neoliberal identity politics taint and transnational corporations lobbyism.

Incels aren't a social groups of any influence.

Jordan Peterson is a useful conman. Instead of channelling the rage of his followers into some sort of active movement, this humble books salesmen and Pathreon entrepreneur discourages them from it, suggesting to focus on personal issues.

>Incels aren't a social groups of any influence.
Incels as a demographic are not only orders of magnitude larger than either gays or trannies but even some national minorities. And rapidly growing.

One man one wife WILL be reinstated under a socialist system there is absolutely no debate.

Fuck your rules, nigger. As you already said, you'll need to address male issues and with feminism being part of your core, it'll never happen.

>hammer sickle clean
>the png is dirty
look bucko, you live in fantasyland, your diagnosis is as wrong as your ideology. Alpha Married CEOs with 4 children find Peterson to be a truth teller, and they also found POC & immigration to be a threat to America's founding principles.
Avg IQ is correlated to a Nation's wealth. Can whites stop the fall of the USA? time will tell

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>One man one wife WILL be reinstated under a socialist system
Soviet Union family policies is a great thing to emulate (administratively punish those who cheat/split childbearing families, free relations otherwise), and there is no place for affirmative action or identity politics.
There would be no patriarchy, of course. It can't return if women are to be productive participants in economy; and women's deprivation isn't natural state of Humanity to begin with, only something that came to be since the Bronze age, and reached its' most prominent state much later. Ultimately, polygamy will once again become a thing, I believe.

Do you even understand what "leftism" and "left politics" even means? Ending common law marriage and family court bias isn't even a political issue to begin with, it's an issue of justice.

Shouting "fuck drumpf and fuck white people" doesn't make you a leftist (regardless of what r*ddit-tier brainlets on Sup Forums will say), it just makes you a retard.

>/Leftypol/ ONLY: How do we deal with the incel/male sexual frustration problem?
State issued gfs

I'm not just talking about incels, but about the growing sexual divides between the haves and the have not. I'm noticing an increasing number of men('I'm a guy)who are in private, sexually frustrated and angry, including my own friends. I live in a pretty egalitarian northern European society and it seems like hypergamy become a problem in any society where the power difference between men and women decreases. This going to become a problem any place where leftist policies succeeds in closing the power/wealth gap between men and women. How are you going to convince men to embrace a system which destroys the very power which enable them as beta males to attract mates, even if it's negligible power when compared to what capitalists have?

And I don't understand this insistence amongst socialists to ignore male issues whilst putting female issues at the forefront of their agenda, along with destroying the capitalist power structures. You're apart of the problem. Beta men see socialists ignoring male issues whilst supporting feminism in all its craziness, then you expect them to believe that modern socialism represents the interests of low status men? Socialists are going to be more inclusive to male issues, or else alt right will continually recruit more able men. There are not many movements that have historically succeeded without the support of beta males. Win the beta male vote and socialism has a better chance of succeeding.

The patriarchy will be restored there is no debate. There will also be no polygamy. Polygamy is reactionary and social Darwinist at its most cruel.

One man one wife. No exceptions.

Just let them be trans. It's better than being a guy and your sex drive won't control you and if you still want to sleep with something you still can.

Stop inviting savages by the boatload into our countries.
Oh woops, too late. All commie traitors will hang.

leftist ideologies are inherently held by weak men

>The longer a man spent in the gym the less they believed in the redistribution of wealth, according to the findings

>“Our results suggest that wealthier men who are more formidable physically are more likely to oppose redistribution of wealth,” he said. “Essentially, they seem more motivated to defend their resources. But less wealthy men who are still physically formidable don’t seem more inclined to support redistribution either. They’re not demanding a share of the wealth.

weak faggots btfo

Neoliberals are responsible for mass immigration you idiot, since it's in business interests to have immigrants compete with the working class for jobs and have mass immigration keeps the working class divided, and obsessed with useless cultural wars. The modern left are the puppet of neoliberals. Old working class leftists were against mass immigration.

I think it’s spot on. The alt-right and traditionalism are so in favor of monogamy because it has the potential to essentially redistribute pussy more evenly to be crass about it.

I’ve thought for a while if you maybe legalized prostitution it could potentially help. I do think left-leaning people need to signal less aggressively against white males. It’s pretty alienating and being told to take a backseat because people that look like you have too much power while you yourself make 20k a year in California frankly pushed me out of lot of left-leaning spaces. I’m not alt-right and want to see fascism go away and labor unions become relevant, but it’s hard to see progressives as allies.

>How do we deal with the incel/male sexual frustration problem?
allow them to fuck prepubescent children.

You can't, leftists don't have an answer
Especially for the fact that they are more likely to be spergs themselves

>You can't, leftists don't have an answer
Actually they do have an answer and the answer to these problems is "good"

Leftypol doesn't like being soyboys? I thought y'all had that niche cornered.
Bathedic.
Also, sage.

Why do you think many young men turned to the right? Because all the lefts policies focus on the percieved victimhood of 'minorities' refugees etc. It has become less and less about class and more about the introduction of policies which aid people excluding white males.

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Y u samefag?
Lonely?
Sage once more, that is all.

The answer seems clear to me. Free sex robots.

>Y u samefag?
Because I had something to add to my post...

We do not want sex bots. We will not settle for sex bots. We are not depraved disgusting perverts. We want love and affection not a simulacrum of a woman.

Checked and this

now check this 5

We deal with it by being good examples to follow.

Lets pretend pol isn't full of neckbeard failures whilst they complain about soyboys within leftypol. You're both more similar than you think .

>I'm noticing an increasing number of men('I'm a guy)who are in private, sexually frustrated and angry, including my own friends.
This is the natural result of placing comfort and complacency in front of meaningful struggle for "equality" thanks to leftism you fucking idiot. The "beta males" you are concerned about are lost men searching for some kind of meaning. You don't find purpose and dive when everything is provided for you. You have even said it yourself here.

>This going to become a problem any place where leftist policies succeeds in closing the power/wealth gap between men and women.
Do you see how the left caused this problem now. Leftist policies have destroyed any kind of drive men had left and is currently laughing about it. They see the single men now and treat it as its own seperate problem, but it is only a symptom of the problem they caused .

In general, the left has attempted to destory any semblance of masculinity and are attempting to shape the world into this egalitarian pipe dream where we all get along and everyone is equal. Guess what, we're not all equal. It doesn't matter how you look at it, but people will always be inherently different. There will always be a stronger man, a smarter man, or a faster man. For some reason the left, as you have pointed out, downplay this issue as "whitelash." Why? Encouraging men to be men is not good for socialism. Men compete, some are better than others, those that are better rise above their peers. There is nothing egalitarian about it.

Then go out and do something that makes you interesting to women, or do what single men have done for thousands of years and find a hobby you can devote your attention to. Preferably one in the outdoors.

You can have a look at how marriage and male/female dynamics are handled in Communist or previously Communist places. There were definitely some things done to tamp down on hypergamy. The Soviet Union was also anti-gay.

It is interesting that the left is finally waking up to this issue being a problem. However, white males aren’t even in control of the left any more. They are being pushed out. Look at the #metoo witch hunt. The left is a bunch of screechy white women who hate men. Good luck talking any sense into those bitches.

See this
You can't expect men to join a movement which aims worsen their sexual frustration. An appeal to Altruism and and selflessness can only go so far.

what are you trying to do ? promise something you can't give to get political influence for the left ?
>that's so leftist in itself
Checkmate

I didn't even specify what being good examples was...

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The problem is, feminists within the socialist movement would oppose these measures. The USSR would be considered an oppressive patriarchy to these women.

Every movement does that you retarded mouth breather

You have 17 times as many female ancestors as male ancestors. That's the natural state of primates, Chad McMonkey and his harem. Works fine, the betas just do their own thing, go their own way so to speak. They will not contribute to society in this state (why on earth would they?) They will probably cause trouble until you write monogamy out of history or kill them all.

>Then go out and do something that makes you interesting to women, or do what single men have done for thousands of years and find a hobby you can devote your attention to. Preferably one in the outdoors.
>booooot straps just get a hobby lol as soon as you get a hobby you're appealing to women it's impossible to have a hobby and be an incel
Yeahhhhh fuck off. I'm not getting laid not because I'm below average or grotesque or without hobbies but because women are content with sharing chads. 20% of the male population fucks 80% of the female population. The sexual free market needs to be regulated with strict monogamy and patriarchy there is no debate. One man, one wife.

not the ones that are based on truth, you stupid coal filled hay sack

How do you mean?

I always like th old days of crumbly white dog turds. When you dragged some lefty student out of the pub for being a gobshite it only took a minute of two to find one of these now rare dog eggs. Then you made them eat it. Spout shit, eat shit.

Like Donald "build the wall" trump?

Most successful movements never fulfill all their promises to their supporters.

That's because they're not based on Logos but outright lies. Ie. they're empty disintegrating vessels.

All Commies will be slaughtered within the next 10 years.

>booooot straps just get a hobby lol as soon as you get a hobby you're appealing to women it's impossible to have a hobby and be an incel
>swedish commie with a trip can't into reading comprehension
The hobby is to take your mind off of chasing tail cunt, note the comma and word "or." I hate being around most women and would rather spend the precious time I have in a duck blind with the guys I know I can trust. Just over this holiday I've sat through 3 different conversations revolving around gossip and other vapid shit, all initiated by women. The sooner you realize women are idiots and that chasing after them is a futile effort that will only end in your misery the better off you'll be. If you really want to find a woman go to church or find one through your friends. Meeting women at bars is not how you find a good one. Women are the way they are now thanks to "liberation" movements started by lesbians that wished they had a dick.

>I'm not getting laid not because I'm below average or grotesque or without hobbies but because women are content with sharing chads.
If you're not those things and are still having trouble finding love then you need to reflect on what you're doing wrong.

>The sexual free market needs to be regulated with strict monogamy and patriarchy
Some unelected bureaucrat that is probably not qualified for the job deciding who gets to be together because you're assmad. That's your solution?

KILL ALL COMMIES.

I guarantee you’re an unfuckable autist.

Men should be taught to turn women on because attitude and presentation are huge and a majority of men are bad at both in this regard. This is not women’s fault, thu largely have freedom of choice and a huge number of suitors are cringeworthy dweebs.

Cultivating a strong presence, productive passions, and a masculine appearance would solve 90% of what’s happening. If you look and act like an incel, that’s something you need to fix, not society.

The bureaucrats don't decide who gets together, they just organize the shaming of all forms of extramarital sexual relations (and define marriage as one man/one woman). Things find their own level afterwards.

>muh safe spaaaaaace
No one is here to placate you. Man up and deal with it you obsessive controlling faggot.

Oh man the irony... You're killing me! You claim not to want a "simalcrum of a woman" While at the same time raving in anger about how society is depraved because real women don't fit into your conservative fantasy of what a woman should be. A simalcrum is precisely what you want.

>I refuse to take responsibility for myself and need the State to redistribute pussy for me

Liberals made this bed and now they will lie in it. They taught that women should be the pickiest most stuck up cunts they could be and now at both the private and institional level they are being told to fuck off, "no, you will not live off of me."

Marxism-Rodgerism and the scientific principle of "females as property."

The belief that females are people is a reactionary Christian dogma. Only white men are people. These false Christian/reactionary/bourgeois humanist dogmas that shitskins and females are people hold no place for the new communist man of the future.

When you don't enforce marriage, birth rates fall below replacement, and your people die out.

The majority of men always were cringeworthy dweebs and will be. Even if you genetically engineer them into (by our standards) hyper-Chads, all you've done is change the baseline. Women want men who are more impressive than other men.

Collective bargaining by men is the only way out of this red queen effect.

(checked heil)
nice

Develop artificial surrogate programs and screen out hereditary diseases. People would pay for the screening and MGTOW would pay for the lack of a wife.

False. That would not solve anything. The solution is to properly classify females as property and distribute them equally to white men.

It's exactly the kind of organization that made western civilization. I almost said "no bureaucrats", but the church is chock full of bureaucrats. You can have your rugged individualism, I'd prefer to live in a civilization.

So rather than just making divorce not financially favorable, you'd rather set up huge institutional birthing programs under the assumptions that 1. many women would be willing to be paid not a whole fucking lot to get impregnated with a stranger's child and 2. children birthed and raised in such an environment won't be absolutely fucked

>women would be willing
Whether they are willing or not is irrelevant. They will be forced.

Fully automated luxury sex robots

>Jordan Peterson
>Shitty solutions
>Should listen to anonymous commie

WEW

>all you've done is change the baseline
This. Everyone going "just alpha up bro" don't realize that you're just temporarily confusing women by reducing the apparent current distinctions between the high value and low value men. But women will adapt and find new ways to distinguish them. Women always find ways to establish hierarchies among men. It's an evolutionary mechanism that they serve. It's just how humans work. Fixing it is inherently unnatural.
The problem with this isn't just that some guys can't get laid or can't get married or can't get children. It's that on top of that, marriages become unstable and a lot of people do not want to have families anymore because it's not something that is desirable in the current social environment. The higher value men have it easy with women since women would rather share them than have anything to do with the lower value men. The lower value men find other things to do.
In the past men were willing to work harder and sacrifice more for their mate, and women enjoyed an easy life, so things were in balance. Now it is considered oppressive. Men still work harder and sacrifice more but the economy is engineered to nullify the differences.
Another way to try to fix it might be technology. Sex robots *might* be used to restabilize the situation if there's proper social engineering behind the whole thing. They might also just make everything a lot worse.

Why the FUCK do or even CAN you care if you're not such an "incel/sexually frustrated male" YOURSELF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! PLEASE SOME OF YOUR RETARDS EXPLAIN?!
I honestly don't give a fuck about any of you, or any of those, and I live in absolute contempt and peace knowing how well I'm doing and how good my life is in so many levels. I have no time to waste with these """issues""" that don't affect me in any kind of way whatsoever, but I just HAVE TO FUCKING ASK, WHAT DO YOU CARE?! Fucking ocupationless, directionless, brainless retards.

Commies cause cancer.

It's well known that Jordan Peterson is a one percenter stooge. He probably thinks those (((bankers))) did nothing wrong in crashing the financial system, because (((they're))) more useful than you and me. He's another neocon prepping the next generation of angry white males to be corporate dicksuckers

go back to /reddit faggot

Then why is it that most communist advocate for mass immigration? They flock to the left whiteout realizing that mass immigration is bad for the worker and then gets surprised when they don't get better wages or free healthcare.

As somebody who has slept with a decent number of girls, a great deal of them do not actually have crazy high standards. I’ve done well not because I’m exceptional, but because I’m neither a pedestal or a prick.

When I go on dating sites and talk to women a lot of them want committed relationships and only have dudes that want to fuck them. The reason those dudes are successful is because they put in effort, not because they are chads.

The number of guys that have decided they hate me because I fucked the girl they like is unreal. There is literally a hate blog about me by an incel I used to be friends with. Obsessive retard beta men would do fine if they worked on entitlement issues and giving a shit what they look like. Lots of men don’t want to learn or put in effort and blame lack of results on decline of patriarchy.

No doubt feminism has jumped the shark, but men need more social awareness.

Kinda ironic since your camp are the ones that pushed it so hard

I'm married with three lkids commie nigger
Left can't meme
You commies will starve each other out soon anyways

Brainwashed western Modern communists are the advocating for immigration. Most socialist nations like the USSR or Yugoslavia never had mass immigration, even when the west were inviting millions of people from the third-world into their nations. China for example was intensely nationalistic despite being a communist state for all those years.

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1. name the people who are stealing the money. give targets for their rage, instead of vague "the system". of course the system is the real target, but we can still identify those people who are using the system to exploit others.


2.memeify intellectual and investigative reporting like Private Eye and the Intercept into digestible facebook ready packages. This is something that the Canary in the Uk has done well.
Leftypol has been good at memeing but now the BO has revealed himself to be a fucking moron, leftpol and others will have to do.

Trying to find common ground in the colossal divide. Respectable in a way.

That's because modern SJW communism it's an extension of charity mentality, while socialism despised that with a passion.

"Now and then, in the course of the century, a great man of science, like Darwin; a great poet, like Keats; a fine critical spirit, like M. Renan; a supreme artist, like Flaubert, has been able to isolate himself, to keep himself out of reach of the clamorous claims of others, to stand ‘under the shelter of the wall,’ as Plato puts it, and so to realise the perfection of what was in him, to his own incomparable gain, and to the incomparable and lasting gain of the whole world. These, however, are exceptions. The majority of people spoil their lives by an unhealthy and exaggerated altruism – are forced, indeed, so to spoil them. They find themselves surrounded by hideous poverty, by hideous ugliness, by hideous starvation. It is inevitable that they should be strongly moved by all this. The emotions of man are stirred more quickly than man’s intelligence; and, as I pointed out some time ago in an article on the function of criticism, it is much more easy to have sympathy with suffering than it is to have sympathy with thought. Accordingly, with admirable, though misdirected intentions, they very seriously and very sentimentally set themselves to the task of remedying the evils that they see. But their remedies do not cure the disease: they merely prolong it. Indeed, their remedies are part of the disease.

They try to solve the problem of poverty, for instance, by keeping the poor alive; or, in the case of a very advanced school, by amusing the poor."

>Oscar Wilde 1891, The Soul of Man under Socialism.

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You nigger loving faggots aren't even opposing regular sharia.

>women
That's a natural surrogate, not an artificial one.

USA USA USA

Destroy capitalism and cultural capitalism will go the way of the dinosaurs. People will have more freedom to cultivate social relationships and pursue partners. Bourgeoisie degenerate nature will be destroyed and we will return to human nature :^)

Hey faggot you have your own board of 2x4chan go there and lose culture wars.

>Leftypol
Oh you newfags crack me up. Good on ya.
Cue obligatory spurdoposter.

White communism has never been tried.

They don't want to use their hugbox board because they know it's an admission of defeat if they have to run away from neutral ground.

lol fucking commie shill morons

the alt right is fake news
lol @ arguing that a perceived rise in unrest is due to sexual frustration and "emasculation" alone, without any proof

sage