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Pham's sad, since Theo didn't win the birthday poll. Still, you don't have to be like somebody else, so long as you're you.

Stay comfy out there.

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1st for communism before thread gets deleted for no good reason at all

Would Sup Forums be willing to bankroll a translation of the TE Manga if someone got us the raws? With no fan translations in sight, I think that hiring someone could be a viable alternative. Who knows, maybe even pitchng the idea to one of the Scanlation groups migh get them to pick it up.

>still bitching abut this
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I'd be willing, I think.

I love Katia and wanna protect her

She was just a rookie trooper and surely shook with fright.

Who /NVA/ here?
youtube.com/watch?v=1mG3BvkT6YQ

So ugly!
>monstrum in fronte, monstrum in animo

Extra Meiya a shit
Unlimited Meiya a best

All Meiya a shit

Im curious what Extra Meiya poop smells like though compared to Sumika

like shit

I want to watch her pee.

Why is Schwarzesmarken so garbage?

No amount of idealism can cover up pointless wastes of human lives. And shit writing.

I want to see Axmann being Sumika'd.

It would be highly ironic for a man so fond of rape and torture to get the Twizzlers.

The stasi were human trash, so nobody's going to miss them. The regular civilians and military that was harmed by their terror is tragic though.

t. moderate

Chewie Yui
I want to hold you
in my arms

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>The stasi were human trash, so nobody's going to miss them.
The front lines will. 100.000+ BETA fodder and several hundred TSF pilots don't grow on trees user. And that's not counting the normal soldiers.

Remember back when age used to put out BD pics that weren't thumbnails?

Daily reminder that surviving Stasi pilots where executed after they surrendered and the moderate government was more intrested in hunting Stasi informants than fighting the BETA

And so Germany and continental Europe fell.

gg no re moderates

And that happened with them on power so they will be remembered as the ones who fucked up everything

No wonder reunification never happened.

Indeed

This thread is full of Stasi apologist.
Absolutly disgusting.
It's like saying that there is nothing wrong with the treatment Lise got.

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>154582560
You're fishing in empty waters, user.

What ever happened to Katia? Did the Kiirke novel say anything?

She is the leader of the DDR (somehow) and has a moderate cabinet
After the fall of Europe I hope she committed suicide out of despair

>What ever happened to Katia? Did the Kiirke novel say anything?
Nothing, as it was supposed to serve as an epilogue to all three endings, and thus talking about her would throw either one or two endings out.

At most a figurehead. But if they really did make a 15 year old the leader of a country based only on her speaking skills and who her father was, its not surprising that almost everything didn't work out.

Not necessarily, Axmann is unnecessarily cruel and sadistic and really does more damage than help but to equate the entirety of the stasi to him is inaccurate.

Truth is the stasi while for the most part shit still served a vital purpose given the situation, and though they probably could have been more efficient and not instigated a backlash in the first place by not being so oppressive, violent revolution may not have been the best idea at the time given the horde of aliens on their doorstep. In theory a reformed system whether still called Stasi or not could have worked better and preventing the sort of treatment Lise got is good because that shit was fucked but its not a simple fix nor is the conflict actually black and white.

I don't like the Stasi in general either but theres more than one layer to the whole deal.

>At most a figurehead. But if they really did make a 15 year old the leader of a country based only on her speaking skills and who her father was, its not surprising that almost everything didn't work out.
Considering that the same people decided it was ok to start at civil war when the BETA where 80ks from Berlin, no it was not a great idea neither

She became Theo's replacement Imouto

>Considering that the same people decided it was ok to start at civil war when the BETA where 80ks from Berlin, no it was not a great idea neither

That was the stasi who started the coup. The NVA rebels were just reacting by launching a counter-coup.

>That was the stasi who started the coup.
And it was almost bloodless
but no the moderates have attack and bleed resources and manpower that where badly needed at the Oder line

>That was the stasi who started the coup. The NVA rebels were just reacting by launching a counter-coup.
Don't start that argument lad. Its always your kind that then absolves the Party and the Army of any reponsability, despite they being the ones who allowed that point to be reached.

The stasi were purging left and right, and they killed pretty much the entirety of NVA upper command, crippling logistics and the war effort on the front line.

>and they killed pretty much the entirety of NVA upper command, crippling logistics and the war effort on the front line.
If Heim is any indication of what it takes to become a General in command of an entire Front in East Germany, its no great loss.

>implying Beatrix wouldn't have straightened that out real quick had she been allowed to take charge

the eternal moderate strikes again

>they killed pretty much the entirety of NVA upper command, crippling logistics and the war effort on the front line.

Wasn't that mostly Axmann who did that, and he's a ginormous fucktard anyways?

To the surviving Ossies it does, because nor the Army or the Party, and neither the Stasi where in power when the DDR fell, the moderates where in power and there are seen as the responsible for the clusterfuck
Isn't the world view nice?

Axmann launched the revolt to give Beatrix and the stasi an excuse to take complete control. His coup targeted inconvenient generals and politicians, which allowed Beatrix's faction to keep their hands clean when they took power.

Still crippled the logistics. Also, Heim isn't indicative of the NVA, and the stasi keep arranging for talented officers like Iris, Holzer, or Kurt to die.

animeonly detected

not an argument

>To the surviving Ossies it does, because nor the Army or the Party
The moderates put these fools back in power, lad. It wasn't Suzy and co. who ruled the country afterwards, it was Heim, his buddies and any politician smart enough to have plausible deniability to being in bed with the Stasi. I.e. the same people the Stasi removed from power. But of course they are innocent. Beatrix "female Hitler" Brehme is to blame for everything, that "monster" of a woman is the cause of everything that went wrong. Socialism would have worked otherwise. That's what the heroes of the revolution claim and endorse anyway. And what Kirke believes in her LN.

>Axmann launched the revolt to give Beatrix and the stasi an excuse to take complete control. His coup targeted inconvenient generals and politicians, which allowed Beatrix's faction to keep their hands clean when they took power.
Only implied in the anime, by the shit writing and changes made. If they had been working together Axmann wouldn't end up working with the rebels in the first place, but gotten some reward instead of being hunted down in all three routes.


>Still crippled the logistics
Removing incompetent fucks who refuse western aid doesn't cripple shit.
>Also, Heim isn't indicative of the NVA,
No, he is. The ones giving retarded orders are all up there with him. Junior officers like the ones you mention keep dying because the brass can't get its shit together, not because of some Stasi plot to weaken the army. That's what Theo believes, not objective fact. And it doesn't help that those talented officers, and NCOs, are doing exactly the type of things that would get them court martialled in any country in RL and executed in any country in the BETAverse.

why U do dis?

its a pretty valid argument anime-only scum.

What about the Werewolves being no shows for Holzer?

What about the Werewolves not helping Kurt hold of the BETA, but instead deciding to pursue Theo and Katia?

Why do they do that, anyways?

>What about the Werewolves being no shows for Holzer?
The Mig-23 is a known hangar queen, is there any proof that they arrived late on purpose? No, there isn't. And while I'll admit that my memory is a bit hazy, don't the Werewolves arrive too late to help Kurt anyway? And considering that "Lead Belly" was there under Schmidts orders to arrest Katia, so was Beatrix. And she isn't the type to disobey orders unless the "greater good" demands it. Ruining her career for some hopeless fort is neither in character nor something she would be ordered to do. Especially after the arrest failed so spectacularly, and an entire unit essentially mutined.

Lead Belly was likely there under Beatrix's orders, not Schmidt's. You can tell this by the fact that it is a squad of Werewolves, one of them likely being Beatrix herself, that chases the 666th through the BETA horde.

>Lead Belly was likely there under Beatrix's orders, not Schmidt's. You can tell this by the fact that it is a squad of Werewolves,
user, don't you remember the whole Berlin vs. Moscow Stasi issue? Don't you remember that Beatrix is little more than an enforcer of Schmidts and not an independent actor until much later, sometimes never, depending on the route? Beatrix being there is no proof of her being the mastermind, only of orders coming from above for her to be there. Chances are by method and by what is shown in the VN that Schmidt ordered the arrest.

>You will never kill every Schwarzesmarcuck in this thread
why live ;_;

>why live ;_;
So we can continue to get on your nerves, eunuch. Get a trip so we can bully you 24/7.

She didn't seem to have that much of a problem with doing any of her orders.

>uses the anime as proof
>thinks anyone will believe him

>implying that VN Beatrix didn't do the same shit off screen

>using the anime as an argument
Well aside from that, she was indeed a careerist. Enjoyment of her orders exist only in the anime, but she certainly tends to obey to the letter unless the "greater good" demands it. And considering those ocations are: a) Schmidth wanting to nuke the rebels, and any civillians in the way. b) The BETA breaking breaking the line. she is indifferent unless to the nature of her orders unless they reach a very high threshold of counterproductivity.

>implying they would not have included it in that case like they included Marai's execution

>>implying they would not have included it in that case like they included Marai's execution

Doesn't she flat out smirk while killing Marai?

>Doesn't she flat out smirk while killing Marai?
Anime-only again. The VN scene is far longer and more complex, and quite ambiguous on some parts, but Beatrix certainly didn't enjoy the affair there.

What's with her smirk before shooting Marai?

No they are not
Did you really think that the moderates launched a civil war to put the party in power again?
PROTIP: That was never their original goal
Whatever high ranking party members where told to keep quiet or their will be next. And that seems like a possible outcome if the BETA didn't overrun the Oder line

>Did you really think that the moderates launched a civil war to put the party in power again?
If it was not their intent they would have not done it. Otherwise making the commisariat into a replacement Stasi afterwards makes no sense. Why not use the Military Police, regular Police or create something new to preserve order? And remember one thing, most characters in SM ar opaque. We never see their thoughts, only Theo's opinion on them, and he is quite off several times. Regadless of the 666th intentions, the rest, including the ringleaders, puppeted/instrumentialized Katia, preserved the power of the party, found some convinient scapegoats and tryed to continue with business as usual with some changes to please the populace.

In the VN? I cannot remember such a thing, but you are free to correct me. Even then, she is getting one up over Iris, she'd enjoy that any day, regardless of what it involves.

You picked that because Amerilards are getting hammered, didn't you.

Would contribute. Manga might go off and do it's own thing, who knows?

>In the VN? I cannot remember such a thing, but you are free to correct me. Even then, she is getting one up over Iris, she'd enjoy that any day, regardless of what it involves.
That kinda makes her a monster then.

DubTrips confirms it.

Quick question, why do we call the rebels "moderates"?

>That kinda makes her a monster then.
Makes Sylwia into a monster as well for doing anything to get even in her backstory. And it fits into SMs theme of Iris' and Beatrix's petty feud creating lots of unessary collateral damage.

>DubTrips confirms it.
Kek has no power here, lad.

Because their ideas would be sane, if it wasn't a world where the BETA were on your doorstep.

We don't really see Iris do any shit. It's Beatrix instigating all the evil crap.

Comparison to the Syrian Civil War, the "moderate" good guys are barely better than Assad/Isis/Al-Nusra/etc.. The name stuck.

>We don't really see Iris do any shit.
Enabling rape and torture, calling in artillery strikes on civilians, antagonizing Beatrix for no good reason, and thus goading her into continuing on her path, and starting the whole clusterfuck don't count?

>And remember one thing, most characters in SM ar opaque. We never see their thoughts, only Theo's opinion on them
The Kirke LN is told from her PoV, does she know the difference between the commissars, MP or the Volkspolizei?, hell we can add the Kampfgruppe too
Also, what SED (one of the most hardliner Marxist-Leninist party) politician would in their right mind allow to put someone like Katia in power

Because they behave in the same way as the moderate syrian rebels, those who moderate behead people and moderate terrorize the civilian population

And because they where whitewashed in the anime hence they got moderated

What if Beatrix became a whore instead of a Stasi agent?

>The Kirke LN is told from her PoV, does she know the difference between the commissars, MP or the Volkspolizei?, hell we can add the Kampfgruppe too
Sadly, due to the ambiguity of the changes between RL and the BETAverse, this borders on sophistry. We simply don't know.

>Also, what SED (one of the most hardliner Marxist-Leninist party) politician would in their right mind allow to put someone like Katia in power
She sounds barely different from any generic Western leftist, or some over idealistic FDJ member. There were enough pragmatists and opportunists in the SED in RL for it to be plausible for her to be used.

Iris would still blame her for everything, and so would Theo. Otherwise nothing changes, except the Werewolves are even less competent.

Theo really is dumb, isn't he?

Hey

Not really. He does it on purpose, dumb is not really the correct word for it.

>implying she doesn't want a stud like Theo in her cockpit, fucking her senseless.

>Talking bout demolishing the wall and open borders
That pretty much make you an enemy of the state, enjoy your trip to the Stasi fun house

Now for some REAL East German Propaganda
>GDR press reports on fleeing citizens
research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/coup.htm

>1980 advice on the Solidarity movement in Poland
research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/poland.htm

>1979 arguments on why West Germans failed to see the advantages of socialism.
research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/brd1.htm

None of that sounds like anything Katia would say

What if we removed Lise's bows?

>Enabling rape and torture
It was Lise, who'd betrayed them and killed countless civilians beforehand.

>calling in artillery strikes on civilians
She was aiming for Beatrix. Collateral damage is an unfortunate side effect of war, but to imply she was targeting civilians like the stasi will do is completely wrong.

>antagonizing Beatrix for no good reason
It's not like Beatrix was torturing her and her friends beforehand. Any normal person would be pretty fucking hateful towards Beatrix too.

>thus goading her into continuing on her path
No convincing her otherwise, and would Iris really want to work with someone so tainted? Even then, Beatrix wanted Iris to die painfully, and would have killed her after the rebellion was over.

>starting the whole clusterfuck don't count
She didn't start it.

Moderate propaganda at its best

Of all the crimes against humanity that the BETA-loving moderates could commit, this makes them all pale in comparison.

Even Axmann didn't remove the ribbons.

Nothing about this post is accurate or sensible, and the hypocrisy to excuse atrocities for being "unfortunate side effects of war" while condemning the same from Beatrix and blaming slave soldiers like Lise to excuse even more rape and torture than she already went through that forced her into that situation in the first place is absurd. Jump off a bridge.

>That pretty much make you an enemy of the state, enjoy your trip to the Stasi fun house
Under Honecker, not under Ulbricht. The man basically admited that the wall was the proof that they had failed. Some pragmatist might have thought one could play revisionism right then and there. Its not like the guys who opened the borders intended for reunification to occur less than a year later, they just miscalculated. By quite a margin.

And anyway, I said generic western leftist and overly idealistic FDJler, not official propaganda. There were enough true believers who wanted open borders, and who turned into far more toxic leftists later.


>It was Lise, who'd betrayed them and killed countless civilians beforehand.
Doesn't excuse it in any form.
>She was aiming for Beatrix. Collateral damage is an unfortunate side effect of war, but to imply she was targeting civilians like the stasi will do is completely wrong.
Nah, she knew what she was doing, and condemns it in other occations. She chose to do it. And technically, the civillians killed by the Stasi are criminals, regardless of whether or not the law is just, good or fair. They didn't die for the enjoyment of Beatrix.
>It's not like Beatrix was torturing her and her friends beforehand. Any normal person would be pretty fucking hateful towards Beatrix too.
She was doing that long before she and her friends got arrested and tortured.
>No convincing her otherwise, and would Iris really want to work with someone so tainted? Even then, Beatrix wanted Iris to die painfully, and would have killed her after the rebellion was over.
She works willingly with Axmann and his ilk. And why would Beatrix wait to kill her anyway? Iris got less torture than her subordinates anyway, chances are she would be kept alive after the rebellion failed.
>She didn't start it
That's not what Iris claims.

Holdover meme from Sup Forums and such.

She's too much of a dork to be a whore. Plus as says, she can get Theo.

Ulbricht is ded user

>She was doing that long before she and her friends got arrested and tortured.
Didn't she mostly avoid Beatrix? Like they hadn't seen each other since the days they were at the academy together?

NTR with Beatrix!

One of the reasons for the unification was the loss of power in the Vokskammer by the SED in the 1989 elections

Aside from slapping clits with Iris, isn't that what her SF scenario is about?

How resentful would Theo have been if Beatrix was the one who took his virginity?

>itt, a Beato animeonly hater and a literal Stasi apologist Pactfag do battle

Could be interesting, but it feels like the animeonly is baiting.

What if Beatrix raped Lise?