Why do people who have never lived under socialism feel like their opinion on socialism matters?

Why do people who have never lived under socialism feel like their opinion on socialism matters?

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They don't read.

A Georgian national might have been treated well under Stalin. How about the 100s of other ethnicities?

If I found 2 people who disagreed is his argument invalid?

You had all that under Hitler too, and with less kikes.

Why would experience supercede argument? Fucking idiot.

guess what, niggerfaggot, 20 million of his own people died because of him and the legacy of Stalin - the USSR - was a pile of shit

Canada is a socialist shithole, AMA
Is healthcare free and worth it? Nope

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How about people who lived under Tito? Our entire ex-yu region is shit and that's thanks to Communism.

>Georgian national good boi party member is treated well
hmmmm

Die kike

Because they have something to lose.

>1952

Better late than never I suppose.

>saved the world from fascism
immediately afterwards tried to enslave it to communist totalitarianism
>no unemployment
hard to be unemployed when you are sent to forced labor camps if you are not going to your state assigned job at the factory
>free education
learn about Stalin's greatness and how to operate factory machinery, and if you're good you get to develop weapons or destroy culture to replace it with Stalin
>free healthcare
keep the citizens healthy so they can work, they are machines too right?
pic related
>great man who cared about the people
only part of this with which I agree, honestly I think he cared too much
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

>anecdotal evidence
pathetic desu

Good question. How bout it op? Why do you think your opinion matters?

Yugo-Nostalgia Prevails In Serbia, Bosnia

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Why don't people who want to live under socialism just move to a country that has socialism?

Trying to convert every country on the planet to socialism makes it seem like you just want a global government ruling over the entire planet, and socialism is simply the bait you are using to achieve this goal.

My opinion about socialism matters because I grew up in the socialist Soviet Union

Proof or you're a lying redditor faggot.

The only truly socialist country on earth is ultra-nationalist North Korea, which accepts zero immigrants of refugees no matter what.

>wow this one guy says that communism and Stalin were great, guess I should just ignore all those tens of millions of my fellow citizens dead, bread lines, gulags, NKVD, KGB, nonexistent freedom of speech, political repression, state-sanctioned torture and those millions of ethnic minorities that were deported to Siberia to make way for forced Russification

>Because they have something to lose.
Like what?

>hard to be unemployed when you are sent to forced labor camps if you are not going to your state assigned job at the factory
People like Hillary Clinton, George Soros, the Rothschilds, etc, are incapable of preforming honest labor out of their own volition. They must be forced through violence.

>tens of millions of my fellow citizens dead
Source for your claim is the CIA

Ok, here is some scientific polling data which also proves my point

Answer my question you shill faggot

sir, do you expect anyone to actually take the time to type out those sources? Are you retarded?

Yes, why do liberals and antifa think they know and understand socialism/communism is beyond me

You mean that people of the leaders ethnic group faired well? Nice argument for ethno nationalism desu

What proof do you want? I can post photos from my days in the Soviet Navy but you'll just say that isn't really me.

>sir, do you expect Sup Forumstards to read something other than MSpaint infographs
No, not really

>What proof do you want? I can post photos from my days in the Soviet Navy but you'll just say that isn't really me.
>what is timestamp

>random soviet navy photos
>nahh its totally me
post physical photos with timestamp on piece of paper

Ok, my phone is out of charge so it'll be some time before I can take the timestamp photo

You never lived under Stalin either so your opinion is invalid if he was good or not... Op you are retarded get saged fag

>have supreme leader family line
>I-it’s a democracy guys
>have no food
>I-it’s perfect guys, everyone can equally buy nothing and starve

I know people who've lived in the union/Vietnam and I've been to ex soviet countries, all of them hated it.

>Niggers today never lived under slavery. Their opinion is invalid if it was good or not.

All of us have phones you capitalist cuck
You’re obviously just baiting

Take a photo while your phone is plugged in.

>my phone is dead it'll take some time
Correction- I need to use photo shop to make some photos real quick and use photoshop

You're a LARP fag

No, but I have relatives who did and all of them have nothing but good things to say about the man.

-Free education up to university
-Free healthcare no matter how rare or expensive your condition is
-Workplace democracy a thing
-"Mom and pop" small business was legal (google artel)
-Defeated Hitler, who wanted to enslave and eventually depopulate Slavic nations
-BTFOd Jewry right before his death

What's not to like about the man? Overwhelming majorities of Soviet people approve of Stalin and Stalinism.

Stalin more popular in Russia than Putin:

newsweek.com/putin-behind-stalin-top-russias-most-outstanding-people-poll-629032

>There was no unemployment
Because either you worked 10h a day at factory or you would be killed
>Free healthcare and education
Free healthcare is in prison too, and education isn't propaganda
This commie faggot probably got rich being a bootlicker and some dirigent of the party no actual worker can get rich in communism

Yeah the surviving Russians love him

>WTF I love Stalin now

If USSR was so great, why did it fell apart like a paper tiger?

>there is no unemployment if we just make everyone a slave
Really activated my synapses.

Larping faggot detected

You commie bastards should probably argue with people who actually died under communism because of communism. Before you ask how that could ever be possible, trust me, I can arrange for you to meet them.

My granny lived in the commie part of Spain in 1936.She had tears of joy when Franco came to Barcelona.
Besides I acknowledge Crapitalism isnt any better, but what is communism but just being slaves to happy merchants under the pretext they are sharing the wealth, in the political sense communism is also the belief that iliterate workers and farmers are people worthy of leading a country. My grandad had a farm that I inherited, he payed them according their worth and he payed them so that those farmer could have food, a house and electricity, the fucker was actually lucky to get a few pesetas at the end of the day because of how badly incompetent the reds were in Catalonia circa 1936. Trust me if it was up to me I would give them 1000 euros an hour but they have to settle for 50-100 an hour because of that Shitty EU program of the Common Agrarian Policy. Communism wouldnt make it better because the state would hoard the money and because no one will buy products from a commie state I would be DEEP FRIED in taxes (ironically is because of Socialist policies that the state is deep frying Spainards with taxes) and that would force me to lower the wages of the workers which would force me to employ niggers and that would make me angry because I actually care for my workers because unlike global internationals I acknowledge they are people with their own problems.

I grew up in Franco's Spain and my fathers lived through commie Spain in 1936, Primo de Rivera is proof you can be fascist and care about the worker at the same time
PRESENTE

Maximum legal working hour in the Soviet Union was 7 hours a day, this went up during the war but went down to 7 hours afterwards.

>This commie faggot probably got rich being a bootlicker and some dirigent of the party no actual worker can get rich in communism
Actually, he was a truck driver.

Quote from Alexander Zinoviev, Soviet dissident who was kicked out of the USSR in the '70s about life during Stalin:

>"I would not trade my life in those days for any other life. Many millions of my peers in those days felt free and realized they were Citizens with a capital C. We gained tremendous knowledge; the entire country was studying. In those days Russia transitioned from the most illiterate into the most educated country. We were given access to the highest cultural achievements. This was our compensation for the poverty of our daily living. Our pants were ripped and patched, we wore no ties, but in our heads we carried something, which to us meant more than any treasures of the material world."

You can't even imagine what it's like to live this kind of life, since your only point of reference is the soulless culture-destroying Judeo-capitalism which dominates the West.

Sweden or canada?

Cmon OP i didnt post a whole wall of text just so you can ignore me, at least make the effort of reading my posts and responding to them Im actually interested on what you will say

>why do people who never lived under socialism feel like their opinion on socialism matters?
>the 19 year old says, hiding his US flag

Primo indeed cared about workers, that's why Franco never let him or other Falangists have any real political power.

>parasitic landlord family supports fascism
What a surprise

He's a good man, Stalin's son was a good man, not that cuck who let them fight when he doesn't.

>I would give them 1000 euros an hour but they have to settle for 50-100 an hour because of that Shitty EU program of the Common Agrarian Policy
How is CAP stopping you from paying them higher then?

Ahhh, so you actually liked him, National Syndicalism you could say is fascism mixed with a few leftist ideals
The bare bones can be resumed by this
A Nationalist State that protects the traditional values such as the church and the family and maybe the king but the workers are protected by unions and syndicates subsidized by the state, hell even fascist Italy was sort off socialist because of programs like the Work Stamps (I think that was the name), but anyways, what is your opinion on the anarquists back on 1936 Spain,

>Why do people who have never lived under socialism feel like their opinion on socialism matters?
>meme flag
You've never lived under socialism

The same reason that people who have never lived under anarcho capitalism, which is to say everyone, thinks that there opinion on anarcho-capitalism matters. There is knowledge beyond first-hand knowledge.

"Hitler saved the world from Communism. He cared about people. Under his guidance there was no faggotry. We had redpilled waifus and white neighbors. He was a great man" Say Hans Weiss, an 86 year old retired SS officer.

>INB4 INTERNET HISTORIANS TRY TO ARGUE WITH PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVED UNDER HITLER

T. Someone who has never lived under socialism

Funny how people say the same about Hitler

"Fewer", faggot.

>voluntarily providing a service is parasitism
>this coming from a genuine leftwing parasite with no talent who leeches off of others

Why do you cucks associate success with being a parasite? Is it because you're all low T losers

Never lived under Jim Crowe laws either.

T. Retard who believes everything he reads in a book whose ideas always end in abject failure

The anarchists sucked ass, they were incompetent fighters and killed nuns for no good reason, alienating people unnecessarily. Communists never killed nuns like anarchists did.

>"Hitler saved the world from Communism.
lol

So good they won't let you leave

I would pay them more if I had my way but because the state fries me and spainards on taxes because of socialist policies like the healthcare and free education I am forced to pay them what I pay them, I worked on those lands once in Franco's era, I hired workers to do the job for me and things went well, I even let them make a union on which they had assemblies were they talked about the problems of the companies and their problems with it and you can be dam sure I listened to them, I even remember their names, Alex, Jose, Francisco, Jordi, you get the idea, the case is that I treated them so well people actually thought I spoiled them. What the hell do you want me to do for them, I work with what I have with the scarce instruments the State gives me and I have barely enough to keep the company afloat and IM THE ONE FUCKING THEM OVER? GO. FUCK. YOURSELF

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Sorry, I might have gotten a bit too emotional, but you get what I am saying right?

>losers say life was better when their GDP and living standards were far lower because at least they were equally poor

Why am I not surprised that bitter cucks would rather everyone were poor so they don't get jealous

Tankies gonna tank.

Even if what you're saying is true, it doesn't matter because people like you are a tiny minority. Most landlords and capitalists don't care in the least about the well-being of their workers.

T. Retard who can't do basic economics

One commie told me this once:
"The ones responsible for the red terror in Spain were anarchists m8, communists are actually more sensible and disciplined" is it true

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Commie-cucks spouting nonsens as usual.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

People who lived under Hitler also said there was no Holocaust.

>Communism literally btfo by nothing more than time

Kek

Not going to read this thread but anywhere that had worker ownership of the means of production was great and I'd move.

These dumb capitalist cocksuckers on here also always say that people who lived under communism regretted it. Meanwhile the reality is completely opposite.

It's true. Also the Nazis gave weapons to the anarchists for free

>Gerald Howson mentions German arms sales to the Republicans in his book "Arms for Spain".

>He speculates that the 1936 shipment of 19,000 rifles, 101 machineguns and 4000 pistols out of Hamburg to the Anarchist CNT was arranged by the German secret services to create dissent in the Republican ranks: Indeed the Communists would later seize on it in their criticism of the anarchists.

"By the 1960s, Soviet reality had mostly killed the original spirit of the artel institution, such that in Yuri Krotkov's 1967 memoir, the term artel is defined for English-language readers in a footnote as "a small workshop, ostensibly co-operative, but actually under government control."

>a man who could be a spy swims through a demilitarised zone and expects not to be shot
>this somehow means that South Korea is oppressive and North Korea isn't a shithole that commie cucks wouldn't want to live in

Propaganda is a hell of a drug in the minds of retards

>just trust my shifty infographic with three sources and doesn't take into account the entire reign of stalin and completely shifts the timeline of his leadership
>t. nitwitted tankie
Two big red flags with that one. One, the times are off. Two, is that it completely ignores more recent historical works (not the black book) by both Russian and Western historians that have estimated the death toll to be anywhere from 26-60 million. 60 is just the high mark.

That's true, artels were destroyed by Kruschev. Real communists recognize Kruschev as a revisionist.

>I wasn't one of the 130 million who died, it must be great.

no it does not
only 65+ grannies praise those times because they grew up in them

Kek, hubris isn't a substitute for actually knowing things. Why do you retards think your super utopian fantasy always fails given nothing but time? Maybe you should try reading basic economics instead of just making up nonsense that sounds nice and excuses you from being a bunch of talentless faggots

>completely ignores more recent historical works (not the black book) by both Russian and Western historians that have estimated the death toll to be anywhere from 26-60 million. 60 is just the high mark.
I like how you provided sources to those books, it really shows that you know what you're talking about.

The people who regret living under communism died.

>my phone has been charging for 50 minutes

>people are still replying to bait

sage

T. Retard who can't name a communist country he'd want to live in and has no idea why servile talentless losers would rather live in a system where the state attempts to take care of you

Work or die - No unemployment
Free healthcare - Minor injury, they fix you up
Long term care? you aint worth the resources comrade, bye bye