Serious question: Black people and intelligence

I know you think this is a troll thread but I have a genuine question. I was debating a friend about black people and intelligence and, naturally, I was asked to name a famous black thinker to the likes of Einstein. Perhaps I’m uneducated on the subject matter (I went to school in the medical field not history)...and I could not name a single person.

So my question is, if intelligence is not related to race (as it isn’t meshed with the central nervous system), and putting social or cultural implications to the side, why are all of our great thinkers and innovators all White?

I’m genuinely asking. I feel like a dick asking this but for obvious reasons I can’t ask people in the real world. I’m sure I’ll get the usual troll posts etc but for those who can provide their genuine insight I would appreciate it.

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>So my question is, if intelligence is not related to race (as it isn’t meshed with the central nervous system)
WTF?
You think your dog is as smart as you and it's just because you don't expect your dog to do calculus is why he doesn't do it?

Answer accepted by the people with the power to ruin your life: because of white oppressors.

The truth: genetic inferiority stemming from not evolving in an environment that required them to develop the foresight and abstraction capacity required to survive the winter.

Relevant: youtube.com/watch?v=3V9uL_ruafU

Blacks are grasshoppers because they evolved in warm climates.

The average IQ for a Negro is 80. That means for every physicist, Ben Carson, there are literally dozens of 65 IQ Trayvon martins. Face the fact. Overall 80% of niggers are fucking violent, retarded animals.

I know i am clever than everybody here

>So my question is, if intelligence is not related to race (as it isn’t meshed with the central nervous system), and putting social or cultural implications to the side, why are all of our great thinkers and innovators all White?

>if intelligence is not related to race
there's your answer
it is

If you are in the medical field, you know how races are biologically different from others in some aspects...why wouldn't intelligence be one of them? It's "problematic", sure.

You don't know enough history frankly
The "famous thinkers" you can probably list off are not an accurate representation of intellectuals as such, their reputation is largely a fabrication

Race issues should be considered after you understand that the people you've been told were incredible geniuses were actually just normal folks standing on the shoulders of giants

The discrepancy between African and European intellect stems entirely from both ethnicity's thousands of generations of isolated evolution under different environmental selection pressures, it's not bigoted, it's simply fact.

Europe is distinguished from Africa in that it has considerably less dangerous mega-fauna and lethal diseases, but has an annual freezing winter and a lack of easily obtained food. This forced Proto-Europeans to evolutionary select for those with intelligence and a capacity for abstract thought, as only those were able to consistently plan their seasonal sowing and harvesting, and thus, survive to pass their genetics onto the next generation.

Africa, on the other hand, is the opposite of Europe in that it has no annual winter and an abundance of easily obtained food, in the form of native flora, but has an obscene surplus of dangerous mega-fauna and lethal diseases. This forced Proto-Africans to evolutionary select for those with high aggression and high libido, as only those were able to breed enough to outweigh the significant infant mortality rate and pass their genetics onto the next generation.

I wish no harm upon African Americans, nor do I wish harm upon Native Africans. I only wish that we can overcome the unnatural multicultural bias in our society, and voluntarily segregate to live with members of our own ethnicity, and coexist in a series of mutually respectful traditionalist ethnically-homogeneous sovereign states, as nature intended.

Is that so wrong?

Either this is a copy pasta or you're Jared Taylor. This reads exactly like his style.

In general if you visit the Alt-Hype's youtube channel you would learn several things.

One of these is that intelligence as well as other traits have 80% heretability (this is debatable but it's within this ballpark). The heretability rates is based on the quantative genetics studies on twins (which include height and other traits which also the same level of heretability.)

We know from IQ tests (as well as other ways of measuring IQ like SAT scores ect.) that blacks tend to have a lower median IQ on average but they have a similar distribution to whites (in the sense of the width of the way it spreads out in distribution.) This means that those of European heritage whose median is shifted (based on African Americans) 15 points or so to the right, have a higher probability to be born with a higher IQ whereas blacks have a far less likelihood of this being the case. (I'm not sure if the distribution relative to their medians are the exact same but it's far closer than East Asians.)

In other words both have the same spread but blacks are 15 points back so they produce less people of a higher IQ. East Asians on the other hand have little variablitity but a higher median IQ of around 105.

And no I didn't save the bell-curves but Alt-Hype's youtube channel is a good place to start.

it's education and environment
nature vs nuture
race is bullshit


white people go to school
black people don't care about it
blah blah blah
my kung fu is stronger than yours

If it’s just a case of surviving winter, how come eskimos and native Americans are also sub-par intellectually?

culture
you think of them as savages but they are a whole lot smarter than you think

.. seems you just killed the thread.

noice

>if intelligence is not related to race
But it is though.

Look at any chart of IQ by race. I know you won't believe me typing this here because Sup Forums but look it up yourself. You'll probably find a chart of a bunch of overlapping bell curves. The vast majority of black people are under the 100 IQ average for whites. Their average IQ is 85 which is the cutoff point for "mild mental retardation". This means that half of blacks in the US are literally fucking retarded by the standards of our society. Of the other half most of them fall under the average white IQ.

Think of the most average C- student basic bitch normie white person you knew in high school who (statistically speaking) could not get into college. that person would be considered a genius by comparison if they moved into a black neighborhood. Also depending on what kind of asian they are, your average asian has an average IQ of 110. This puts their distribution even further from the black distribution, so asians must see negroes as literal animals.

Ok now lets look at the #NotAll upper tail end of the black IQ distribution curve. Intelligent black people do exist but they are proportionately so few compared to everyone else that there probably is only Neil DeGrass Tyson and a dozen other dudes in an ocean of whites and asians.

With eskimos, I suppose it could be a matter of too much winter. After they figured out how to build Igloos and catch whales, what else was there to learn? Creativity might be a drawback, since keeping your nose to the icy grindstone may be more important than thinking outside the box.

As for Native Americans, I would say that likely is a matter of enviornment. But their environment is very unusual; literally legally blocked off from the modern world, in little dens of degeneracy and addiction. Also, I do remember once reading that Europe had a large amount of easily accessible metal veins, which may have contributed to creativity being a favored development.

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I'm that user, mobile posting on a dynamic IP. As much as I'm flattered you'd say that, I swear on George Lincoln Rockerfeller's grave, God bless him, that I wrote it on the spot, no copy-pasting involved, though I'm saving it for later debates. Writing is the one thing I'm good at, everyone I've had read my essays says so, I'm glad you'd say that. One day, I'm going to publish the subtly pro-tradcon post-apocalyptic novel series I've got in the workings, because it's about time the Right had something to read beside the Turner Diaries, as magnificent a work of literature as it is.

I always heard it had to do with living in a place that forces you to do long term planning. Look at the Nile flood plain, you'd have to know to farm more food than you need during the harvest season, then find a way to preserve that food in a grainary for the rest of the year, and THEN be able to ration that food out at the correct rate through the rest of the year. Look for civilizations that develop calendars and food preparation.

If black people actually were kangs then they'd be smarter.

Instead of nukes or zombies killing everyone off it should be an IQ lowering STD, and the world is saved by Mormons wearing literal purity rings.

ALERT ALERT
WE'VE GOT A FREE THINKER HERE

user, I think you'd be a huge hit.
Please do it, srsly

Don't you mean George Lincoln Rockwell?

Real black people are from africa

If black people are a little bit smart, they have some white in them or they aren't fully black

even Ben Carson is an idiot. have you ever read anything he's written? the guy has gifted hands apparently but he doesn't have a gifted brain. he's of average intelligence at best compared to a white person. he's a typical affirmative action beneficiary.

I would say less "too much winter" and more them being primarily hunter-gatherer and spending the majority of their time acquiring food be it whale, fish, berries, moose, reindeer etc. They did have some art like through clothing or totem poles but not much.
I did also read an interesting paper some years back proposing that eskimo would listen to what was said and pause for a few moment thinking about what was said and how to appropriately respond. This was a problem though when whites showed up and started forcing them to learn english. Kids would get beatings in school because they'd be slow to respond and teachers thought they were retarded

>black people
>intelligence

Ahhahahaha

user seeks the unicorn.

Op = nigger

I'll let you in on a bit of the plot, so you'll know it's my work when it's on the shelves. Basically, in the near future the USA is on the verge of civil war, whites are a minority demographic, and Islam has spread to encompass a significant portion of the coastal regions. A massive, unprecedented earthquake strikes, destroying much of the nation's infrastructure in a matter of hours, and the country collapses into violent anarchy.

From there, the book shifts to tell the narrative of a soft urbanite man, and his painful, hard-fought struggle to flee across the ruins of the nation to the Northwest, were civilization is rumored to have persisted, and he can carve out a life for his family and a future for his descendents. Much of the narrative revolves around the pseudo-libertarian societal structures much of the communities adopt, and their contrast to the authoritarian societal structures other, mostly nonwhite, communities do, and the protagonist's slow "evolution" as he becomes a strong, ruthless, and self-sufficient man to do whatever it takes to preserve his family's future.

What do you think of the concept?

That's what I'm doing, might be a few years before it's ready for the shelves, because I'm working on a few other projects at the moment.

Yes, I've come to resent autocorrect more and more everyday, and hope you don't resent me for the typo.

*so he can carve out a life

What's your favorite 2 books?

Remember that the Aztecs and Incas had fairly advanced empires that built great cities. I think their problem was that their cultures dominated so handily that they had no competition and therefore no drive to improve. Europeans meanwhile were constantly at war with each other and always looking for an edge, sometimes literally.
Not sure about the northern Native Americans though. Maybe they aren't as smart because they were nomadic? If you're stuck in one place you have to adapt, but if you migrate depending on the season then you don't.

awesome

I don't have two set-in-stone absolute favorites, though The Postman and anything by Louis Lamour is certainly up there. Trashy western/sci-fi fiction is my one and only vice. Nonfictionwise, I'm a fan of the Culture of Critique and Machiavelli's The Prince.

I'm glad you think so.

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You are using as an example?

They're called moon crickets

On average there are race differences in intelligence. That's basically it.

Einstein was a subversive kike who sold obvious lies to idiots.
General relativity isn’t tenable and special relativity is full-blown retarded.

High 5

>I was debating a friend about black people and intelligence
terrible idea, this is how you end up alone

because white people were well off in developed empires

It all depends on what your defining as intelligence. Every race has unique genetic pros and cons from past environmental and cultural influences. Harsh climates that had multiple seasons forced certain races to adapt in different ways. The other factor that comes into play is how tribal where those areas? Which then in turn influences the type of aggression people of a certain race of identity have. Those who survived in those climates got to reproduce while others that couldn't adapt simply didn't.

Just look at various past civilizations and their climates of the time, along with how did they fight among their people along with other civilizations and for what purpose? This then helped shape people as they are today. Imagine if Carthage the key rival civilization to Rome at one point, who valued trade more than military conquest won the Punic Wars? Europe would have been vastly different and possibly less advance due to most ancient tribal civilizations not being forced to change to the Roman way of life. Hell Europe could have ended up like Africa and the Muslim slave trade would have just been extended into Europe as well as Africa, Eastern Europe was under Ottoman rule for a long time could have easily extended into Western Europe as well if they weren't as advanced as they were.

Environments are still a factor and are the key factor in this day and age in my personal opinion. Look at the difference in white Americans, versus white Western Europeans, versus Eastern Europeans and Russians. Same goes for Africans, versus African Americans. Cultural, environmental, ideological, and religious influences have shaped these areas and vastly changed the people of these areas in many ways in regardless of race and in intelligence and to the way they think.

Do some races have a higher intelligence than others? Depends where you are and point in time your looking at people.

There are so many prominent African Americans, specially considering they've only had rights for a few generations. You've unaware if you can't name any inventors.
Pol is just full of cherrypicking stormniggers that convince themselves with the same handful of questionable infographs. Even Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray, the authors of Sup Forums's favorite book to misconstrue, The Bell Curve, have both went on record multiple times saying that their findings never linked race with intellectual inferiority/superiority.

we've all been there

Lonnie Johnson should be more famous

>Einstein
was a fraud.
relativity theory is Poincarre/Lorentz
condensate is Bose for which the jew took undue credit
max speed being c was destroyed in the 90's
dark matter was demolished so hard by Hubble that the jew had to recant himself out of fear for being unmasked (still didn't stop the Shylocks from doubling down with that non-sense in the Q-hypothesis, despite the fact it would put some galaxies over the maximum possible mass)
>evolution magically stops when humans are involved
monkeys and hominoids kept evolving larger, more complex brains over time.
racial egalitarianism is creationism-lite plain and simple.
if they ask for an exception, it's precisely just that: an exception to the rule, an admission to that state, and a confession of their timidity in front of reality and the big scary words like "dat's wayciss".

And so should mark E. Dean

If an earthquake wipes out half the country, it's strong enough to trigger yellowstone. We'd have more of an issue on our hands than earthquake fallout, especially in the northwest US.

Check out Thomas Sowell.

whites invented modern science

the blacks weren't invited to this invention party because they had no mail service, or infrastructure, or wheel, or, anything yet

Hmm, fair point. I might revise the disaster for a standard solar flare, now that you mention it.

>black people
>intelligence

Because whites can and Asians can work together to create and share resources, create specialist in fields so many can have time to think about things other than sex and eating .
Blacks seem to just destroy each other and steal resources, can't unite out of envy and greed, so all time is spent trying to eat and have sex. Their life purpose is no greater than a virus, be born, eat and compete for food, mate, and die even if it's at the expense of all other virus cells by killing its host.

But I guess they got smart by spreading that virus into new gene pools so it can survive.

You're thinking too simply. Just because the people are retards now doesn't mean it was always the case. Some of the native americans built some fairly advanced societies, that colapsed before the europeans showed up.

Depends on the native americans.

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HOL UP

WE BE INVENTORZ N SHEEEIT

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Einstein wuz black.
Newton, he black
Aristotle? he stole all he stuff from da black man!

listen white boi, its about time you took the BLACKED pill

>why are all of our great thinkers and innovators all White?

If all the great thinkers and innovators have been white, why did Attila the Hun's armies cross the Rhine into Gaul? Why was Spain a province of various caliphates until 1492? Why did Vienna barely stave off an Ottoman invasion in 1529, barely surviving a siege of the city?

European hegemony has been rather short. And it's been ending rapidly - Europe is shot, the US has been going downhill, and China is the world's second largest economy becoming the biggest.

Whites are living on past glory, and the the glory does not go that far back.

Is that a fidget spinner?

If you want real and in depth answers read the papers by Ryan Faulk, aka AltHype, and a few others on his site thealternativehypothesis.org/

If you want less in depth info watch his videos: youtube.com/user/fringeelements

>There are so many prominent African Americans
>ends up not naming even one (1)

>Frederick Jones
>Lonnie Johnson
>Mark Dean

It's ok, I understand you're from Poland.

>Why did Vienna barely stave off an Ottoman invasion in 1529, barely surviving a siege of the city?
Maybe because it was 24k vs 86k, you fucking mongoloid? And we won even then! Thanks for proving our point. And no, two thousand fucking years isn't "glory not going that far". Try harder, because what you're saying now is laughable at best

>The average IQ for a Negro is 80

That's in the US. I think the average is between 82-85 for Black Americans. They average about 25% European admixture. Sub-Saharan Africans average IQ is between 62-65. The average sub-Saharan Black is borderline retarded.

A few months ago, in the state of Oregon, a White (i think) couple lost their baby to the state. The state found they lacked the requisite intelligence to rear a child. Their IQs were measured at 69 and 72. That's higher than the average retard we are letting in from Sub-Saharan Africa.

Nice arguments, kike. Ignored from now on, since anything you can do against valid criticism of your point is jumping straight to ad hominems. I don't know what I expected from a burger, really

Glad someone else knows why it's been bad sniffing our own farts for almost 100 years.

>BTFO'd and has nothing to say against the fact that he's been proven wrong
>"Ahh, but you said one mean thing to me on Sup Forums! Blocked for ad hominem!"

You gentlemen should note that almost all intelligent inventors and scientists are part jewish. Really, just think of someone and look it up. The exception being nikola tesla.

>>If it’s just a case of surviving winter, how come eskimos and native Americans are also sub-par intellectually?

because it's too cold there. In europe it's cold but not too cold which would unable you to make anything.

>Even Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray, the authors of Sup Forums's favorite book to misconstrue, The Bell Curve, have both went on record multiple times saying that their findings never linked race with intellectual inferiority/superiority.

Of course that have to say that. The subject is so taboo their work basically cost them their careers. Their work, and the work of many others, speaks for itself. There is a vast IQ gap between Black and Whites. The heritability of IQ in the US is approximately 80%. Twins studies show that socioeconomic factors don't have a huge effect on intelligence so the difference between the gaps in intelligence is mostly genetic.

Believing in evolution only below the neck or in some crazy idea of equality in the face of drastic differences between individuals or average differences between groups of individuals is lunacy, especially coming from educated people.

We have copious amounts of IQ data from the US military and from SAT scores. The average Black in the US is at least 1 standard deviation lower in IQ than the average White. This isn't crackpot, rightwing fake news. This is accepted data in the scientific community. The reason for the difference is where all the pseudo science, "no evolution above the neck", "must be an economic difference thing", "oh those racist Whites caused this" comes in from the Left to makes excuses.

> if intelligence is not related to race
Making retarded assumption leads to retarded believes.

Neil Degrasse Tyson is just another Bill Nye. Sure he may have a certificate that states astrophysicist but it's a diversity one.

embarrassing

Anoooooon! Don't try to start fights!

Because IQ is normally distributed and blacks are genetically inferior by an entire standard deviation, making them on-par with the average 12-year old and the frequency of genius(160+ IQ) 110 times lower as well as having an utterly repugnant "culture".

You're asking why a race essentially made up of elementary schoolers doesn't win nobel prizes.

t.iFoundTheNigger

Blacks are dumber than most animals. They just mimic white intelligence if anything. Monkey see monkey do. White men made civilization along the other lower tier races but the niggs are by far the scum of this earth. Niggers are like cancer,they are worse than the virus called aids on this planet.

It's having to plan for winter... it's the same reason Korean and jap smart

It's having to live two lives every year

CleverER than, retard.

A question for the geneticists:

What is the evolutionary basis for homosexuality?

Is it recently emerging because there are no evolutionary pressures in the modern world?

i'm saving this for later use, thank you user

acting like you BTFO fellow pole while in reality he was 100% right and you only embarrassed yourself further with not giving a single example of influential Black American

The brain IS the central nervous system. This is why IQ is inherited the same way that height is.

You know the shape of a bell curve, right? Imagine two of them, slightly offset. One (the white one) is centered on 100, and the other (the black one) is centered on 85 or so.

Because of the shape of the distribution, even a small difference in the average IQ leads to large difference in the percentage of people at any given IQ level. If 99.7% of people are within 3 standard deviations, and 95% are within 2, that means that at the upper end, 2.5% of whites and 0.15% of blacks have an IQ above 130. That's a ratio of 17:1 even if your population was half and half originally. Take into account that blacks are only 13% of the population (roughly an 8th), and you've got a ratio of 119:1 nonblack geniuses for every black genius.

Feel free to double check my math, but it should be close.

>be Neil
>read book
>poorly regurgitate what's in book while on TV
>smart

sadly, that's about the best as you're gonna get with blacks

Compared to Siberians, Native Americans had an advanced culture

Can you name some great famous muslim or chinese thinkers/scholars? If not you're probably just eurocentric.

Can you name any from The Enlightenment until now?
That's a good 500 years to work with.

No, but then I am quite eurocentric. Nor am I particularly knowledgable about that period in general.

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Confucius is basically the be all end all of Chinese philosophy, there have been others, but none have had an effect on their society like that of Confucius who lived thousands of years ago. The latest thinker to change their world was a German named Marx.
The Muslim world was actually very academic and philosophical in its approach to life up until about 1200 when there was a war between the academics and the koranic literalists, the literalists won, and the last great Muslim thinker was Ibn-Rushd who died in 1198.

Exactly, but can you name any of those muslim thinkers or a chinese one that isn't Confucius? The fact that most people in the west can't is my point.

black people have maybe less IQ but their intelligence is more spiritual and they carry wisdom that whiteness

disease wiped out huge civilizations before europeans even showed up in North America. sadly we don't know much about them because of the lack of stone structures. but for a nomadic people, it's surprising that they never discovered the wheel. It may be that the prevalence of food made life easier, and that the hunting culture didn't breed intelligence as much as an agrarian pastoral society.

> Blacks are grasshoppers because they evolved in warm climates.

Implying that Blacks are somehow "Evolved"?

The Sun in Africa isn't any hotter than anywhere else...

I'm writing one about people living in a seemingly post apocolyptic world, finding lost technology and trying to rebuild it. seeing these aliens that claimed to have flown to other planets. could use soecial stones (silicon) to communicate . when In reality it's just 400 years after white people were finally wiped out, and without anyone fighting entropy, the entire world degraded into Africa.

>Exactly, but can you name any of those muslim thinkers or a chinese one that isn't Confucius?
I can, because I'm into that kind of thing.
But, as brilliant as many of them ma be, they have had no effect on their native societies, and their philosophies have been built upon post-enlightenment western thought.
I agree with your premise, there is very good reason to be Eurocentric.
One can study philosophy, completely ignore Africa and have a rich understanding of the history of thought leading into modern times and modern science and theology.
The opposite can not be said about Afrocentric thinkers.

Seen Django? 1 in 10,000,. it's honestly not much better for whites and Asians at maybe 2 in 100, but, you can see the gap.

>Einstein was a subversive kike...
True..

>who sold obvious lies to idiots.
No. He plagiarized just about everything but the photoelectric effect and was given a good write up by the Jew media. IQ tests of immigrants showed Jews to be of Low IQ, so they needed to promote the Jewish Genius meme.

>General relativity isn’t tenable and special relativity is full-blown retarded.
GR was discovered by Hilbert, not Einstein, and yes, it does have problems.
SR however, is the transformation that holds Maxwell's invariant under a change of reference frames and is a very useful and well tested Theory. It was discovered by Lorentz and Fitzgerald, not Einstein.
The Jewish IQ meme is a lie easily disproven by anyone with some demographic data.