Posting shit on here is hard.
There is so much room between the sayer and the said (even as much as between these and the writer and reader; since, speaking and being heard are inescapably intimate in a way exegesis just isn't) that prejudice of the good old fashioned kind is not only advisable, but necessary.
This means we like to gloss over posts, or try and "identify" anons as soon as possible so we can stand in the most advantageous rhetorical position...
and that's another thing: we're always trying to be the top tag, the big up, that wonderfully unfettered moment that passes between friends and enemies and everybody else on that thread at that moment, where everyone on all those monitors are nodding and knowing and feeling something sort of like the same thing...
...and thus lose the real battle, giving up on our hallowed status as a board of peace, a great egregoric assemblage, a living culture engine, the harbingers of the future.
All that to say, I know I write like a fag and my shit's all fucked, and I know everybody else also knows the things I'll try and actively ponder, but please just try and get through this.
I get that it's a chore, but that's because nothing good comes easy.
The first step is being willing to hear the whole thing, knowing it might be a long schitzo tirade with no real point.
Or, you know, at least skimming and trying to discern whether or not anything meaningful was being done, which I admit to my shame I do too often too.
Just by doing that, you cross through the first threshold, the first level of initiation.
All writing is magic, and this is a sort of spell.
But if you've read this far, you're already there.
Off the Deep End: Postrhetoric, Passion, and the Return of Man
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>Posting shit on here is hard.
>There is so much room between the sayer and the said (even as much as between these and the writer and reader; since, speaking and being heard are inescapably intimate in a way exegesis just isn't) that prejudice of the good old fashioned kind is not only advisable, but necessary.
>This means we like to gloss over posts, or try and "identify" anons as soon as possible so we can stand in the most advantageous rhetorical position...
>and that's another thing: we're always trying to be the top tag, the big up, that wonderfully unfettered moment that passes between friends and enemies and everybody else on that thread at that moment, where everyone on all those monitors are nodding and knowing and feeling something sort of like the same thing...
>...and thus lose the real battle, giving up on our hallowed status as a board of peace, a great egregoric assemblage, a living culture engine, the harbingers of the future.
>All that to say, I know I write like a fag and my shit's all fucked, and I know everybody else also knows the things I'll try and actively ponder, but please just try and get through this.
>I get that it's a chore, but that's because nothing good comes easy.
>The first step is being willing to hear the whole thing, knowing it might be a long schitzo tirade with no real point.
>Or, you know, at least skimming and trying to discern whether or not anything meaningful was being done, which I admit to my shame I do too often too.
>Just by doing that, you cross through the first threshold, the first level of initiation.
>All writing is magic, and this is a sort of spell.
>But if you've read this far, you're already there.
Too much NLP nigger.
>PART 1
>A N I M A L S
We are animals, and we should love what we are.
What is the other option?
We are animals, and like animals we often look smarter than we are.
How would we know we were wrong?
We are animals, and ours is the best kind.
Is it so wrong to be proud of your race?
(breadcrumbs... never look at the base meaning of things, but always, always consider the esoteric meaning of things...)
We are animals that are being domesticated.
We are being hemmed in, bred, and shackled, and used, just as everybody likes to point out so much.
If you can understand that (((they))) are more esoterically significant than they are racially significant, you are starting down the right path.
Nevertheless, without enlightenment the way is dimly lit, and it is wise to go forward one stone at a time, because we are animals, albeit ones who must learn to be in this world with language and society and all the rest in ways that the other animals never seemed to need.
We are animals, and we have to survive, and our sort of animal is the sort that survives with others like itself.
It has been that way forever except very recently, when the species truly began its extinction cycle.
Most other animals die from nature causes (except the ones we kill off, if you must think that way); we will die from ourselves.
We will commit suicide from misery, because we are animals and we cannot transcend our nature.
Honestly dude, if you are looking for a sense of transcendental intimacy, you wont ever get it from 4ch.
Not because it lacks purpose, but because the rhetorics you refer to as cutting away from the culture of memes. ARE memes.
The properties of this board is chaos. It provides the most chaotic space from which ordered and relatable memes can be born.
The rubbish and trash talk is all passion even if its misplaced. Its designed to get you as off as you are right now. So you stop ever wanting it.
Yet you come back in shame, because you want chaos. But dont get enough from your own life.
There are truths here. People here. But what you interact with are ideas. Words in chaos. And get a chance to do and operate in a way that is entirely unacceptable elsewhere.
The reason we act with such madness on 4ch, is because we hunger for sanity or relatability that has not been found.
When a man is isolated, he loses those cues which keep him attached to the normal. Sup Forums is the expression of this chaos. The ideas formed within that are not obviously dangerous, are designed to fundamentally order you or help you to find the virtue of finding an order.
Each idea is insanity on its own. The ancaps, the nazis, the socialists, hell even the regular people. Each idea feeds a political landscape of personalities that you only now have a choice or sense of direction in interacting with. Post interaction.
Because you are designed to bring order to chaos. To find meaning in madness. And not to ignore those aspects that no one should ever witness but those equally okay with this game of madness.
Lol didn't read
>PART 2
>D E P E N D A N T
We are animals who need each other.
Someone else made your computer at some point, unless you happen to somehow have every step of a ridiculously complex supply chain that doesn't neatly scale in your garage (as well as a mine out of which you mine all your rare earths and gold and shit for however you make a microprocessor).
Etc for everything you own that didn't start from your own land and your own hands.
If anything, hyper-bourgeois late-stage globalism should really be celebrating our new inter-unity...
...like multiculturalism, right?...
...except not, because multiculturalism is a product.
LGBTQ is a product.
Feminism is a product.
Love is a product.
Sex is a product.
Status is a product.
And so on, and so on, and so on.
And they are all real people's lives at every step of the process, except you will never know anyone who made the components that comprise this computer.
You'll never know their families or their personalities or their motives.
All you will ever know is an anonymous, soul-less product.
And you will be encouraged to sell yourself as a product, because THE SYSTEM DEPENDS ON IT.
It depends on us buying the products that are being sold and selling ourselves as commodities to be used to generate money.
We used to be wild and free, even in such crass places as civilization.
Our children used to run bare-foot in the streets, and our wives used to cling to our sides, and we used to know the mailman and the beat cop and the librarian by name.
And the richness of life was like black stout or deep red wine or the darkest chocolate, and it was savored with patience and forbearance and above all, dignity.
This we left behind for foolishness and the worst of all the poisons: "i n d e p e n d e n c e."
The fish does not live long on the shore.
What have we sold for all our self-making products, all the accoutrements of the "new modern man"
AND WHY DO WE HUNGER SO?
>We are animals
This is incorrect. Humans do have a biological, fleshy suit to traverse this world with but that does not make us into the "animal" category. We have a neocortex. Do you think a dog understands algebra? Or can write a symphony?
You could have said that much more eloquently without intentionally trying to make yourself sound smart and complex.
Your post reeks of wannabe intelligentsia, and you managed to say nothing at all.
We are animals whose telos it is to become like God.
Sometime's it not all about eloquence in the traditional sense.
Humans are very complex learners.
did not even finish reading the first sentence
learn to effectively communicate you spergwit
What is the nigger saying ??? WILL someone translate
>PART 3
>L A N G U A G E
Language is a prison.
It contains horrific traps to destroy and pervert communication, pitfalls and hazards at every turn.
And if anything is to matter between people, language usually must be employed.
The base senses are an option, which explains something about today's sex culture, but they cannot convey much information compared to language.
Without language, or with a diminished capacity to employ language (which is very, very complex - esp in person), the human becomes an autist, self-referential and in some sense freer than those for whom communication is easy and natural, but still in varying degrees less able to access the interdependence that is the hallmark of the species and therefore, in some real sense, diminished.
But many people are shittier than many others in many different ways, and let us not try and become the victims of our own lives.
Language is how we get along, form society, make everything happen.
You cannot imagine without it.
You cannot even try.
So if you controlled language, if you could use our animal vulnerability against us, why would you?
It can't only be for the money.
Even power doesn't make as much sense.
Ah, but we've run ahead of ourselves.
For now:
He who controls the language controls everything that matters.
Bunch of perma virgins larping as Nazis wtf did you expect you dumb nigger. I'll fuck your daughter till she squirts blood, fuck with me bitch. Your probably a dumb nigger or kike. Go back to your safe space you pansy vagina. Sup Forums is a board of hate and always will be. Shove your board of peace, religion of peace, shit up your shit pipe. I'm going to watch it burn while drinking Belgium whites.
>PART 4
>L O G I C
The death of logic was the death of the sublime.
In brief: Plato was wrong.
It is not what goes on underneath that truly matters.
The New Thinkers have realized ultimately that force rules the world, and behind force, lies, and they have conspired to give themselves a monopoly on both.
Logic was a tool to force language to maintain integrity.
Without it, you cannot reasonably expect to have a conversations.
If everyone is deciding on their own rules, you don't play a game...
...you have a fight.
This is why logic must be destroyed in the final movement of our mass murder-suicide: if we could agree on the basics of things, we might learn how to agree on the more intricate things like we used to be able to before all this progress.
Now we must buy everything we have.
We have no birthright, not even a common tongue.
We must purchase even our identities from our masters, who lord over us without pity.
How pathetic, the race of men.
How brought low and debased.
We are cheetahs, living relics with incredible attributes alongside a wasting disease that takes more and more every generation.
Without our logic, we just kill each other, either in the streets or in our hearts, because our masters have taught us this is the true law.
The true law used to be what we held in common; now it is what tears us apart.
Are you familiar with the term "edgy"?
You strike me as quite edgy.
Language is only a prison if it’s restricted. Otherwise it becomes one part of how we communicate, our expressions to each other. Restrictions on other ways of communication is also harmful, like art or gestures.
>PART 5
>F R E E D O M
Freedom is land, if you are an animal.
And, since there are not other kinds of yous, freedom is land.
Freedom is land because freedom is food, and food comes from the land.
Freedom is inheritance.
Freedom is the birthright of mankind, the whole earth and the fullness thereof, because it is how we live.
If you need more evidence that we are slaves, ask yourself what happened to the land of your ancestors.
A nation has a land; slaves pay rent.
If there is a nation here at home, it must be quite small, just like the Founders intended(?).
I'm certainly not in it;
I'm below it somewhere, working in the bowels of some incomprehensible machine, pretending to be a human being by surrounding myself with products.
I want to be more.
I want to be free, and not just free to acquire a wider variety of things and experiences.
I want to be an animal, to breathe and eat and fuck with every ounce of my compromised being, without having to pay a toll to anyone for the privilege.
I want to feel what another person feels across the gulf, to know with unthought certainty the rightness of my life and the fitment of my habit.
We all do.
We all long for it so deeply it shakes the bones.
And our masters know it, so like a hound dog they drag us around by our noses.
They point us at false liberties, and the resemblance to freedom is close enough that we rush off to lap up whatever they are offering.
We think what we taste is freedom, but what it really is, is death.
Language is the only way to use language.
It's not that you can ever escape, but I would heartily agree that some people use language more effectively than others and for worse ends.
>PART 6
>S M A L L
How do you beat it?
How do you escape the prison?
How do you become an animal again?
You must think small.
Do not believe the lie that you must be great to beat back greatness.
"Greatness" is a meme.
What you need is gritty practicality.
Humans are dependent, rational animals at our very cores, and with a little encouragement and construction we are built ready to return to form.
Do not expect such a thing in large movements.
Large movements are a meme.
You need a neighborhood.
You really need a small number of people to depend and language and logic and freedom with.
With just a few people, you can live outside of their paradigm.
If you decide to make your life holy, your life and those who live in it with you can drive culture natively for the people who matter: those who are experiencing that culture.
This can be repeated anywhere and everywhere, but people must begin to do it.
You can leave.
You can turn off the TV, the phone, even the computer (don't you dare, faggot).
You can stop following fashioned and trends, and instead start spending time in the lives of your best friends.
You can wake up every morning knowing the lifestyle you have chosen is active combat against the True Enemy, and of a sort that he has no weapon to oppose.
You can love the people in your greater community and show them what it looks like when humans return to humanity.
You can be animals, with barefoot children and pure wives and real lives again.
But you must do it where you are.
You must start something, or be started into something.
You must be willing to live the kind of life you would live if you weren't a slave right now, even before the final liberation...
...and in this way, be liberated.
You must language and logic with those you love, and agree to agree on things, and love the past and the future alike, and appreciate our natures.
Do not become the old, become the renewed.
But start small.
That's all you can do.
End small as well.
>PART 7
>E V E R Y T H I N G
So, there you have it, basically.
That's the answer to all the questions this board is always asking.
Civilizational issues are a meme invented by those with a vested interest in making you believe nothing you can do matters.
Everything you do matters.
Everything is spiritual warfare.
You must ask yourself: whose army am I fighting more?
You might not like the answer.
We were built to rule creation, and any people can start again at any time.
Not so for individuals.
Individuals are fucking fucked.
Humans, on the other hand, always have a short.
The whole earth and the fullness thereof belongs to us by rights.
We are owed it, because its maker gave it to us.
Moreover, having it starts tomorrow.
It starts as soon as a small handful of co-conspirators decide to breathe together for a while.
From the most humble beginnings come humble ends, and that's enough, because you would not like what is coming to the proud.
Have a rich life again.
Just have it.
Have it with those who love life passionately.
Have it with the generations rolling out with tradition as a road and heritage as a wind.
Have it today, because it will be better than any product you can imagine.
It's all right there, user, right in front of you.
It's within you grasp.
Just reach out and take it.
>You cannot imagine without it.
>You cannot even try.
You have no way to know this for certian. It's an assumption and therefore a logical fallacy to use this assumption to prove a point.
Well, try to imagine you cannot use language.
Go ahead.
good post
I can't and neither can you, but you have also haven't done a study with feral people who have no language to see if they can imagine. We know certain birds that don't use complex language can problem solve which is an indicator of imagination. You must imagine a solution to solve the problem.
I respect the effort but you are far too gay to get your point across. Time for self reflection
there are way the fuck too many people on here lately trying to emulate Moldbug's style and it's bothering me
Feral people have language.
Language is a core human characteristic.
There is not a people-group on earth without it.
I hope you read the disclaimer about how I write all gay and my shit's fucked up...
ITT: smart people
>Feral people have language.
Not according the this link
You know that girl was never able to use language?
Remember how I said we are dependent?
I never said that there have not been grossly mistreated humans who were never able to fully actualize, since we are dependent and without the reciprocal confirmation of language we never "work that muscle" so to speak.
But there are people who have been shot in the head who can't use language either.
Neither thing is my point, though these feral children cases certainly suffice to illustrate it.
>some people use language more effectively than others
Depends on who you’re speaking (or writing) to. Language itself is just language, like you said, but the way it’s conveyed or the interpretation of it is what matters. That requires a deeper understanding of people, or your audience. On a site like this, language is nothing and everything. There’s much more freedom in that because power isn’t given to something trivial, like a word, but rather the idea language is able to communicate as a whole.
Damn, made me rethink things.
I think you've got it, friend.
Here, it's not just about what is written...
...it's a kind of meditation, a moving-beyond-myself.
But then again, I am pretty mentally ill, so there's that.
You are rambling. I proved to you that language isn't a requirement for human life or survival. You need to rethink your position. You've made a mistake.
Okay dude.
>Without language, or with a diminished capacity to employ language (which is very, very complex - esp in person), the human becomes an autist, self-referential and in some sense freer than those for whom communication is easy and natural, but still in varying degrees less able to access the interdependence that is the hallmark of the species and therefore, in some real sense, diminished.
I thought I made it clear I disagree with your premise.
He’s saying it’s a double edged sword. In your example of birds, they rely on creativity more than language to solve problems, because they don’t have complex language to teach or restrict a specific way of thinking. A recent example of this in humans is the idea that “the Left can’t meme.” They can’t because they place so many restrictions on themselves that it hinders any imagination, to such an extreme that it’s illogical. Language can be a prison if you allow it to be, or it can be a parameter to achieve better things, which would require imagination and creativity.