I'm totally down with the aesthetics. But other than that, I don't get the appeal. What would be so great about having a dictator ruling over you and controlling what you can do? Why would anyone want a system where different views are suppressed and questioning the government is outlawed? I understand the importance of law and order, but I still do not understand why someone would unironically support an ideology like this.
And this is coming from a nationalist. I love my race, and I love my country. Both will always come first, however I just can't really be bothered to get behind this whole fascism thing.
The best freedom is freedom from degeneracy. Read the doctrine of fascism and 21 questions by oswald mosley
Jace Hernandez
>Why would anyone want a system where different views are suppressed and questioning the government is outlawed?
We already have that.
Jace Green
>We already have that. Not really. I mean sure certain points of view are demonized and at times not given platforms. But you are still allowed to voice your opinions, protest, and you can definitely question the government.
Daniel Hall
Because life in a degenerate faggot loving society isn't real freedom. Consumerism is the death of culture. A strong right wing authoritarian government raises the quality of life for all it's citizens
Anthony Morales
I somewhat agree with that, but I'm not sure that fascism is the answer. MSM and leftists need to stop promoting degenerate bullshit and brainwashing the younger generations. Maybe if people somehow started encouraging traditional values again, we wouldn't see so much degenerate behavior.
Blake Wright
>MSM and leftists need to stop promoting degenerate bullshit and brainwashing the younger generations. Maybe if people somehow started encouraging traditional values again, we wouldn't see so much degenerate behavior. Good thought. How do we make them? Oh yeah...
Joshua Wood
You ever been to Britain? I mean I know you have because you are polish.
Thomas Reyes
How do you propose we encourage the youth to follow traditionalist values? With freedom of communist press and society?
Jaxson Carter
Freedom sucks, we don't know what to do with it, and it's quite clear we can't handle it.
Zachary Collins
Mostly LARPing. We're so pozzed it's funny to be shocking. We really just want to live in a NORMAL country.
Jaxson Flores
Speak for yourself queer, the only reason I'm not trying a bow on this whole bitch to sell it out for a divine ruler is because they wouldn't accept the trade.
Evan Moore
Here’s my red pill polish user.
Disregard the disgusting propaganda propelled after WW2 to distort the definition of fascism.
Fascism is the theory that a race or one group of people will unite and elect a one party state representative to enforce the laws the people choose and to enforce the borders the people choose. A fascist government would remove all foreign influence from its internal affairs and economics. A fascist society promotes and encourages the preservation of race, tradition, and culture. A fascist state has a strong military force and a militarized police force. A fascist state also is governed by the people, the one party state only enforced the laws chosen by the people. The government will intervene and use protectionism to protect their people’s interests. The fascist state is a state I prefer over any other.
Caleb Gutierrez
Watch legends of the Galactic Heroes to understand the concept of a benevolent dictatorship.
From the show:
"Dictatorship itself isn't absolutely evil, it's just another form of government. The point is how you can run it for the benefit of society."
"Someone like me can hold power and make others live or die as he likes. If that isn’t a flaw of democracy, then what is?"
Essentially, you can have a righteous leader under a dictatorship that seeks to serve out his people, but those types are few and far in between. Conversely, democracies can foster some truly terrible people into power.
Carson Reyes
sounds pretty true, in the West coast of the USA you do not really have the freedom to speak out against fags and degenerates, your reputation will be fucking ruined and your name dragged through the mud, I'd rather live under a government that punishes you for acting like a degenerate than live in a society that will ruin you for speaking out against them.
Colton Taylor
>I'd rather live under a government that punishes you for acting like a degenerate than live in a society that will ruin you for speaking out against them.
Then say goodbye to your precious Sup Forums lol.
I guarantee you in a totalitarian fascist regime they would not be letting people voice dissent on a website like this, especially one as degenerate as Sup Forums.
You're as bad as the cucks complaining about how "free speech shouldn't be allowed for racists!". If you didn't have free speech you wouldn't be allowed to voice your retarded opinions.
Don't want to get ostracized by society? Oldfags need to learn how to not act like a complete cunt on their twitter profiles lol, and this goes for libcucks and cuckservatives.
Ryan Richardson
Just Look at the America
Borrow culture from every where and mixing up everything
There is no more border or nationality
There is only Money and SEX is reason to live
Soulless consumerism is take over everythig
founding fathers and rushmore presidents is now White supremacy
traditional Family and Gender role replace to LARPing
Mosley was right, capitalism and socialism is SUCK
Ancient greek and roman fought against Carthaginian , Persian , Hord of arab
Because beautiful and noble land of Europe was their home and family Defend your home and family , culture is nationalism nationalism is about survival instinct of race (people)
William Anderson
Im pretty sure the inspiration for fascism all resides in nationalism. The anti-thesis for imperialism is a strong sense of national identity. A leader or representative is someone who embodies the traits of the collective who wishes to represent them. The person who becomes a leader in fascism usually isnt appointed but is elected from a previous government and turns it fascist. Its my understanding that this is done through the means of acceptance that there is some foreign menace that threatens them and their survival. You can be a nationalist during times of peace to promote prosperity, but during times of war fascism is what inherently protects a people from outside influences. There has to be strict rules when there is a threat. Even things like the CIA and FBI employ fascist ideologies because they are acting on the premise that they are acting in the name of national security.
Jaxon Moore
Here’s the hilarious part fascism and the laws within a fascist state are chosen by the people fuck off.
Asher Gomez
Based Koreans
Nolan Johnson
>(((fascim)))
Tyler Morgan
There are different interpretations of Fascsim, you might like Mosley, if you don't like Mussolini's ideas.
Joseph Peterson
Damn straight, mosely’s vision for Europe is perfect!
Ryder Rogers
>having a dictator ruling over you and controlling what you can do
Fascism begins at home and has self control at it's core.
Think less of it as a political philosophy to impose on others or have imposed on you ,and more of it as a personal one extending outwards from yourself.
Any fascist who is not a fanatic, is not a fascist. Any state populated by less 99% fascists, has not achieved true fascism.
And yes it is dangerous. It is not conservatism or traditionalism which seeks to preserve traditional culture, morals and economics or revert them (though it appeals to both but putting forward an image of a utopian technocratic synergy of them). It is rather a strand of futurism which seeks to violently change society through radicalism, and radically change society through violence.
Fascists WANT to hurt people, and keep hurting them to keep everyone one in line(as interpersonal violence and struggle are key to personal, social and cultural development in Fascism). People who hate leftists are not innately fascist, no matter how many times they are called such. But leftists are so putrid they just want to make you hurt leftists for its own sake with none of the transformative goals of the fascists.
These "lefties" who keep alarmistly pointing out, or even "right-wingers" cheerleading fascism in our society have no fucking idea what fascism really is or what it entails and will remain ignorant until the the terror they have created comes.
Mussolini, Hitler and Franco weren't even close to being complete.
Mason Morgan
STAR CHILD
Dylan Thomas
it was tried and failed
Elijah Torres
Cuck cuck cuck fucking antifa here boys. In a sense you are correct but fascists do not want to hurt THEIR OWN PEOPLE! I’d fucking kill commies and mud shits who try to throw a revolution any day.
Aiden Ramirez
Fascism is a revolutionary ideology, what would you implement post revolution? Spain got it's monarchy back, but the king is just a figurehead now. I think 19th century monarchies were pretty good, a leader brought up from childhood as the patriarch of a nation will be hard to corrupt and won't be a tyrant like pre French revolution aristocrats that didn't consider themselves part of the people that they ruled over.
Lucas Scott
Fascism failed? Man I wonder why Chile is better off or better yet Spain and even Germany before ww2 hit it.
Carson Nelson
Democracy diffuses blame throughout the population but still serves as a mechanism to concentrate (((benefits))). If a dictator fails to ensure the survival and well-being of his people (or rather, avoid oppressing them, since I don't mean to advocate communist crap), then you know exactly who to blame and remove. But in a democracy? All you have to do is use state resources to brainwash a population, hold a """referendum""", and carry on fucking everyone over under the guise of the "people's will".
Brandon Barnes
>muh fags >muh degeneracy
lol you people are absolutely pathetic. if fags and degeneracy are your arguments for fascism, you aren't worth the air you breath. kys.
Ethan Carter
Aristocrats and kleptocratic or oligarchy are forbidden; Fascists serve their people, dictatorship is not present unless the people fail to control their representative. The representative is not chosen because of money or wealth but because of qualification and blood linking to the people’s ethnic group. Will laws change? Perhaps. In a revolution fascism is born yes laws will change certainly. The only flaw with mosely was his love for the British royals.
Jose Martinez
>What would be so great about having a dictator ruling over you and controlling what you can do? Why would anyone want a system where different views are suppressed and questioning the government is outlawed? it's like android vs apple android: lots of freedom, product is shit apple: more restrictive, product is excellent
Very informative channel if you want to look further but I think these videos will clear up all the questions you have
Justin Gonzalez
Pinochet wasn't a fascist. He was a nationalist free marketer.
Ryder Morris
To this I say 1. You clearly have not read any texts by actual fascist philosophers, Giovanni Gentile, Julius Evola, Marinetti (key to my thesis here, you can read the stuff by fascist politicians all you want, in which they glorify they people they want to win over, and demonize their enemies) 2. Nobody purity spirals harder than far right wing movements (except for maybe far left-wing movements) 3. Pic related.
You don't understand fascism and how it romanticizes violence, how that just doesn't turn itself off once "all the bad people" are gone.
Dylan Thompson
To a point he was fascist, he put into action revolutionary economic policies and reacted to far left opposition with death.
Hudson Bennett
I never said violence is excluded, you are claiming fascism is totaltolitarian. Fascism is authoritarian not totaltolitarian, fascists do not torture their people like communists and socialists. Fascists enforce the law to keep a society to the highest standard.
Ian Brown
What books have you read on the subject that aren't Mein Kampf?
Aiden Hall
Totalitarinism as word was first used a slur against Italian fascists by their opponents, but Mussolini liked the concept so much that he adopted it himself.
Camden Williams
My life by mosely himself.
Carter Bennett
Exactly why I picked 19th century monarchy, not the the earlier complete aristocracy. They were pretty meritocratic, which is not to say that most high position weren't held by nobles, but that was because they had access to better education not alone by birth. My question is who will lead the nation after the original revolution leader dies or retires? How do we make sure he shares the ideal and is not just an opportunist paying lip service to his predecessor? My answer would be to instill these ideals in him from birth and that means monarchy.
Justin Cook
Fascism encourages invasion of other peoples in order to bolster national spirit and is ruled under a autocratic government where dissent against the government means treason
I doubt you would like to live in syria...oh wait
Alexander Baker
I do not accept Mussolini’s interpretation of fascism, I associate closely with mosely’s
Parker Johnson
Oh wow Syria was so bad before the civil war, a united people and a strong secular state. Then comes the jihadist crazies and good old USA props them up. Russia put a stop to that fuck off shill.
Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity (11). It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual (12). And if liberty is to he the attribute of living men and not of abstract dummies invented by individualistic liberalism, then Fascism stands for liberty, and for the only liberty worth having, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State (13). The Fascist conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism, is totalitarian, and the Fascist State - a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values - interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people (14).
Isaac Thomas
senators, congressman can be bought and are bought
a single dictator who needs no bribes and does everything out of love for the country/people can operate free of corruption or risk of becoming corrupt. he has no needs, re-election, campaign money, and can't be bought.
all of our ''democratic'' leaders are puppets
Hunter Nelson
>I associate closely with mosely’s
Who was just trying to walk a line masquerading as a hardline conservative dropping redpills. Fascism that is not totalitarian, authoritarian and nationalistic is not fascism.
You are not a fascist.
Isaac Rogers
While his words be true Mussolini betrayed the people in the end. Excluding (13)
Elijah Cook
And What is your nation will be look like without national spirit
IF England Finally become americanize and Henry the Fifth & Nelson become "White supremacist"
People(regardless or skin color) have same smartphone, same social network account
But at the same time only few people have tremendous wealth
You call it Equality or Progress
I call it American bourgeoisie's garbage consumer society
Henry King
I agree that fascism is absolutely nationalistic and authoritarian but no true fascism is not totaltolitarian.
Jackson Howard
>To permit irresponsible authority is to sow disaster; to hold a man responsible for anything he does not control is to behave with blind idiocy. The unlimited democracies were unstable because their citizens were not responsible for the fashion in which they exerted their sovereign authority . . . other than through the tragic logic of history. The unique 'poll tax' that we must pay was unheard of. No attempt was made to determine whether a voter was socially responsible to the extent of his literally unlimited authority. If he voted the impossible, the disastrous possible happened instead—and responsibility was then forced on him willy-nilly and destroyed both him and his foundationless temple.
Lucas Bell
>154935084 3 way economic fuck capitalism and marxist socialism
very simplified
the big draw for fascism is its ability to achieve its utopian state unlike say communism which needs massive automation and hopes that leisure time equal happiness fascism just needs to not have Jews and interest.
Without interest workers wages are tied to GDP and deflation and inflation.
If law and order are your fear look no further Japan. If the socialists like the nordics falling states then the Fascists have japan. Massive police powers and morality laws. Police have massive search powers. But despite all this crime is extremely low and safe and their are dramatically fewer more powerful cops. The removal of kike influence and other races to victimize removes the non economic criminal motivation and the social safety (which is acceptable with social pressure against abusing it) removes the economic incentive.
Carter Anderson
This is not like your concept of Mosely's "liberal fascism" where we just btfo leftists wogs and jews all day long and leave society fundamentally unchanged otherwise. That is not what fascism is - to actual fascists.
Jacob Campbell
Marinetti was a retarded futurist artist, who was opposed to later Fascist ides. Fascism is no longer Futurism.
Easton Richardson
That isn't fascism. Being a nationlist does not mean you are a fascist and neither is slaughtering commies. There are many right-wing dictatorships that were not fascists.
Aaron Scott
I agree with you. Authoritarianism is unappealing to me in any form. A site like Sup Forums would not exist under an authoritarian or fascist government. I'm not a fan of capitalist economics though, so I can't be a true libertarian. I guess I'm an Anarcho NazBol
Ethan Long
im pretty sure i am the most correct so far
Aaron Myers
ok, I can live without Sup Forums, I browse fit for like 20 minutes a day and pol for like 10, oh no how will I live, believe it or not, not everyone is on here for hours a day like yourself.
Bentley Baker
And no im not a libcuck im actually a conservative
Ian Parker
Then I guess fascists who accept mussolini’s interpretation are in disagreement with me.
Ayden Cook
Before the jihadists there was already a civil war
Jace Ross
Freedom shouldn't be the highest virtue of your society. Too much freedom and you end up with feminism and fag parades.
Brandon Gomez
Did I call you a liberal? I just demonstrated Assad is not that bad compared to the jihadists. Syria was actually a beautiful independent country before jewsa propped up the jihadists. Ya the FSA were jihadists they were no different
Dominic Sanchez
fascist are crypto faggots who want to lick boots and suck cock all day
Evan Watson
Love for your country can come in many forms and if a man's mind is warped enough it can mean supporting the undesirables of society just because they were in the nation
Aaron Green
Its not that he the man's mind will be warped to that point but there's always a risk
Kevin Gonzalez
Agreed. That's why we're a constitutional republic. A constitution prevents mob rule, and keeps idiots from voting away their rights. BUT... even though what you posted IS a valid argument against total democracy, it's NOT an argument for fascism.
Your argument is sound, but your conclusion is not.
>I guess fascists who accept mussolini’s interpretation are in disagreement with me.
Actual fascists, and pretty much every major fascist figure, on this one point, yes.
Adrian Johnson
we take out education out of the state's hands so left extremists can't brain wash the kids? it's really that simple. put education out into the free market and degeneracy disappears in one generation. if the freak professor spouting marxist leninist bullshit in his classes suddenly can be fired from his job for shitty performance those leeches will be out of a job very soon.
Adam Smith
Where the hell did polish user even go?
Jayden Campbell
I believe it's 100 Questions, not 21.
Julian Nguyen
but what if the people somehow become unhappy with their once chosen authoritarian government? it's not like politicians are morally strong special kind of people who can't become corrupted by power. rather the opposite given that politics and positions of power attract sociopaths.
Justin Edwards
i like rules and order desu but this can also be interpreted as having a simplistic mind.... idk
Brayden Lee
It’s the duty of the people to unseat that individual even through blood if necessary.
Jace Kelly
>a constitution prevents mob rule No it doesn't. Not even one geared towards curbing the lemming's influence in voting. All forms of democracy are failures every time. They are quick to degenerate into gridlock and controlled popularity contests even in republican form. In fact that's what you and I see today in Murrica. The media controllers (mostly kikes unsurprisingly) have total domination of the polls. Whoever is represented by them is who has a chance to win. This has been the case for a very long time and even now with the internet is having trouble dying. To hell with all of it.
He gave up after question 21 :^)
Fuck off boomer
Colton Parker
>Essentially, you can have a righteous leader under a dictatorship that seeks to serve out his people, but those types are few and far in between. Conversely, democracies can foster some truly terrible people into power. wew, it's almost as if abolishing positions of power would be the solution to this problem. not playing dictator lottery hoping the next absolute ruler is benevolent. but hey, those fashy military uniforms look so nice ... licking boots is a small price to pay for having nice uniforms.
Dominic Ortiz
>le ancaps are le tru pol maym And here I was thinking Leddit wandered off. GTFO you do not belong here.
Cameron Lewis
>vidya becomes classified as degenerate >pol: OH NO WHAT HAVE WE DONE >pol becomes classified as degenerate somehow I hope you get what you wish for. but then again you idiots would probably pull me in with you.
Isaiah Reyes
My main beef is people are hoping for Hitler, which would be great. We are more likely to get a succession of Boomer minded clownshoes. Hitler was baptized in the fires of Austrian education and WW1. We are baptized in the embers of British self loathing.
Hudson Morris
that show was dope
Jordan Long
>basement dwelling leaf poster believes he would be making the laws in a fascist state good luck with that
Cameron Peterson
In an ancap society I could come to your house and kill you and your family and noone would bat an eye as I only violated the NAP between us.
Jose Turner
Not me the collective, the people. You are a fool who thinks the corporations play nice in a fully free market these fuckers would screw everyone.
Easton Rodriguez
Who's gonna stop me from just creating a state in the vacuum you AnCaps want to create?
>the fires of Austrian education
Austin Diaz
You don't have to want to live in a totalitarian shitshow to protect your race and culture
sounds like the formula for a highly stable and productive society :^)
Adam Gray
yeah. good luck with that. I'm sure your fascist state will allow gun ownership just in case the ruling elite needs some removing. also the military police force who swore an oath to the ruling elite and is getting very nice things in exchange for blind obedience and loyalty will be on your side.
James Murphy
I don’t just turn a blind eye to how hard it is to form a fascist state, but one day if a truly fascist state such as mosely’s interpretation is formed... it would be a godly nation with power not seen since the old empires.
Mason Perez
>implying totalitarian means tyranny >implying you're opposing what you think you are
Henry Gray
>this is coming from a nationalist. I love my race, and I love my country. Both will always come first, We just need a ruler who loves his country, people and culture. You sound like a decent start
Camden Russell
my sawed off shotgun the moment you cross my property borders.
Caleb Phillips
>not striving for the Organic State to surpass even an empire Might as well go the full length while we're at it.
Levi Thomas
Hmmmm your argument is unoriginal bit in a true fascist government the people are who the autocrat/one party state serve.
David Garcia
>Most people shuffle around looking for somewhere to plug in their umbilical cord. >Fascists want to plug it into a strong totalitarian state. >Commies want to plug it into a strong totalitarian state. >They're both afraid to take care of themselves. >They both fear individual responsibility. They're both the same kind of scum.
Michael Allen
The thing about fascism that is stopping me from being sold on it is that for it to be fully implemented the state needs to have an enemy. If that enemy is eliminated, then what? Does the state then try to start a new war? I understand having a strong military is good, but always having to waste resources on a war you may not even win in order to maintain morale seems counterproductive. Is this even a characteristic of fascism or am i wrong? If theres any fascists itt i would appreciate an answer to this.
Jonathan Roberts
>killing your customers is a good business model go back to leftypol with your kindergarten arguments
