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Something I always hear from atheists is that they "don't need religion to be a good person", but whenever I ask exactly what their value system is it's always some vague bullshit about "being good". Now my theory is the reason atheists lean so heavily left wing is because they have no real fixed belief system it leaves them wide open to the kind of wishful liberal thinking where people thing "Hey yeah letting refugees in is a good idea, it's good to help people, I'm a good person" but because their belief system is so shallow they cannot put anymore thought into it beyond that.

So I ask the atheists here, when you became atheist did you develop your own value system? Can you express what it is? What to you defines the difference between good and bad and what principles do you use to weigh up various options (family vs state, obligation to others vs individual freedom, etc)

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Idk but I like anime girls.

Atheism is pat of it, cause it makes you oblivious to religiously motivated politics.

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>"""fixed""" belief systems
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I came to the conclusion that law, order, and responsible altruism is conducive to a healthy mind, body, reputation, and society with critical thinking. It doesn't take a genius nor does it take a fantastic sky daddy to figure that out.

When i became atheist I developed my own value system, I've been thinking recently about converting to Christianity, not because I believe it, but because of my devout Christian ancestry.

I never "became" atheist, I just didn't have a religious upbringing. My parents still raised me with good values including honor, honesty, and self-reliance. I don't need the fear of supernatural forces in order to be a good person

it is literally impossible for humans to believe in god. this is why communism is so evil because it replaces the belief in god with the belief in government system. focusing on the material world is literally the essence of being evil. athiesm is pleb-tier intellectualism. there is clearly a god.

I was born atheist like everyone else and didn't gain faith throughout my life. Also, my parents are atheist and I live in a country where it's a bit weird to be christian, not the other way around.

Life itself is the life's ultimate purpose. Since I only have one life, I want to live it to its fullest. A significant part of living a good life is living it in a good society. To preserve such society, it's important to uphold moral values. I believe right wing ideals will help us to do so.
I also want my children and the children of my children to live a good life. Therefore it's my responsibility to care about the future even though I will not be alive anymore.

I don't understand how someone can adopt a value system without realising its implications and just blindly follow it. Now the christian moral values are generally good ones, but many people with similar mindset to yours are born muslim. And that's a big problem.

That is very vague. So more or less you just decide your stance on things on the fly.

Why do christfags feel the need to weigh out every single decision they make before they make it? Have you never heard of instincts faggot? There's obvious moral rights and wrongs that are aligned with living in a civilized society. I don't walk around with a set of "My Atheist Commandments" to remember not to murder people and steal from them. It's just basic instincts that if you do those things, you create an environment and a motive for people to aggress upon you.

I consider myself an atheist, but I still value Christian values and morals in general. I believe that's its fine to be a cultural Christian to some extent. I just lack the belief to the supernatural side of religion, I can't get into it. It doesn't evoke any feeling in me and I don't even know how I would describe "spirituality" if someone asked. I also admit that I reject some traditionally Christian views, like stance on abortion because being pro-choice is pragmatic and less hypocritical than just silently hoping that unwanted children of irresponsible parents and disabled/retarded children would just somehow die off from worsening crime statistics and leeching other people's money.

Believe it or not more issues are moral grey areas than just "huuuur don't steal". This is exactly the problem. You say it's self evident that certain things are wrong, what about abortion? Gay marriage? Feminism? What are you drawing on to make your judgements about those issues, because they're not self evident and yet always conveniently ignored when atheists make their hilariously simplistic "I don't need sky daddy to tell me not to steal! I know that already!"

Everybody decides their stance on things on the fly, not even religious people have all the same views because their life experience is subjective so religious people often start from a different premise just like atheists

Sometimes I have had to learn the hard way, but not often. I was born and raised in a christian nation with laws founded from christian practices after all. Needless to say they were the heaviest influence. And often times the observations of hundreds of years espoused in the bible are right, they just lack modern explanation to support justification. Take Timothy 2:12 for example. Obviously Christians are right here, but because western prinicipals are getting an update time is needed to prove that Christians are right under the rules of the scientific method. The vague threat of "curses" is not a valid argument anymore. It needs an explanation, and Atheist/Agnostic-Christian moderates are in the process of acquiring that.

I have always been 100 % materialist, pragmatic, and utilitarian.

Abortion, gay marriage, and feminism are pretty clear cut, self-evident issues, from an atheistic standpoint. They make people happy and improve quality of life. Any and all objections can be boiled down to ‘they make me feel oogie’. Let the abortions flow.

Not even religious people agree on Gay marriage, abortion or feminism. Religion has as much affect on peoples morality as giving a monkey a airplane hand book and expecting him to do plane tricks and not just shit on it

I'm an atheist and have been of this disposition for 2 years, your average normie really needs some form of moral standpoint. I have adopted values that lead to a decent society that advances, surprisingly a lot in line with Christian values.

>Everybody decides their stance on things on the fly
But I have a baseline I judge things by, the commandments of the Bible. When a moral issue comes up I can use that baseline to make my judgement on the matter. An atheist has no baseline of morality that informs their values and so they need to make a seperate judgement on every single issue and often their reasoning behind certain things being acceptable or not isn't even consistent. Which is why you get liberals saying they hate rape culture and toxic masculinity but also saying that criticism of Islam, the most misogynistic religion on the planet, is "Islamophobia". Because there's no base set of values, there's no consistency

>So I ask the atheists here, when you became atheist did you develop your own value system?
I was born an atheist and that never changed. My value system came much later in life after I learned to think and learned language.
>What to you defines the difference between good and bad and what principles do you use to weigh up various options (family vs state, obligation to others vs individual freedom, etc)
Actions that promote standard of living and reported happiness are good.

That's it.

If it makes people happy and raises the standard of living that's where my belief falls. Sure many questions can be asked that would need judgements on happiness now VS happiness later, or what balance between progress and happiness is right. But that's why I have a brain able to do complex comparisons.

In the end like all humans I do have a core of beliefs that are genetic in source. Unless and until I train my mind to reject these biological imperatives they can be used for snap judgements, while more complex reactions take actual thought.

I do not need a lawyer proof iron clad system of beliefs to check to see if my actions are right or not.

I'm also generally on the far right when it comes to political belief. But I'm mentally free to steal what I think are good idea no matter the source and no matter the generally accepted alignment of the idea.

So you're pro degeneracy.

>there's no consistency
lol Are you sure you read the bible?

Except you are accounting for yourself, Religious people far too often decide what their beliefs are first and then pick biblical texts to justify those beliefs further proving that morality is subjective.

>Are you sure you read the bible?
Cover to cover. Perfectly consistent all the way through. Have you read it?

This desu, morals stem from how you're raised mostly.
While these things feel good, they lead to a degenerate and essentially long term fucked society. This is why the average normie needs religion.
Jewish trickery user. But in all seriousness, it's just what's come to be accepted, most Christians are no longer religious, so of course they accept this all the while claiming to be Christian.
What scandic user said.

>Gay marriage
It's self-evident that homosexuality is a disorder, it's pretty much a psychological impotence. A homosexual community will not reproduce and will die out. Many people do not realise that gay marriage is not so much about gays but more about their right to adopt children.
While some homosexuals are born that way, I also believe homosexuality can be acquired throughout life. I also believe a child needs both the mother and the father to develop correctly and there are various studies to support that. It's dangerous to let homosexuals raise children and therefore I wouldn't let them marry.

>Feminism
Come on, women get exactly the same set of rights upon birth as men. Plus one more, the right to abort their child. It's obvious we are already "equal" and that feminists are delusional. Their movement worsens the relationship between men and women and erodes society.

Also, not everything in life is a question of morality. There is nothing moral or immoral in a decision whether or not I should scratch my head right now.

i'm going to worship santania-san!

I loved mythology as a kid, and when a teacher asked why ancient peoples thought the crazy things they did, my very religious friend responded with a smirk, "because they didn't know any better!" It was then that I started to realized that Christianity wasn't really any different from Norse, Celtic, Greek, Roman, Aztec, Indian mythology, etc., just that people still believed in it. I also really liked science and astronomy and such as a kid too. It wasn't until later, when I was 12 or so, that I even learned "atheist" was a word.
Ask yourself this, op. If someone could choose beyond a doubt that god didn't exist, would you start killing your family members? Even chimps and wolves are mostly nice to each other, and they don't believe in any higher being. It's just natural. You don't need fear of punishment to treat peope nicely.

I miss these threads.

your core beliefs are not genetic, they are subjective and learnt, I gaurantee you come from a predominantly westernised society with Christian values. In many aboriginal tribes, (Not only Asutralian but natives) even in Fiji and South east Asian countries, cannibalism and rape of children is still a norm, because of culure. In some of those cultures the main goal is to be strong because of tribal warfare, thus they rape and beat their own children from 2 onwards, the weak die. That's their norm. Morals are not inborn. Study basic cultural psych.

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>abortion

Murder of children.
The mother could've decided in most cases to not become pregnant (matter of responsibility)
White birth rates are at a all time low.

>gay marriage

Obvious crime against human nature
Only heterosexuals can reproduce/create a family
It's disgusting and useless

>Feminism

Destabilizes relationships between men and women
Women are deeply emotional and less rational than man, they're unfit to be into positions of power in average

t. deist

>It's self-evident that homosexuality is a disorder
Oh yeah. That's why the atheist intelligensia has been pushing hard for it to be normalized because it's "natural", sure. I don't know why you think you can pretend that just because you personally aren't an insane brainwashed liberal that the majority of your atheist brethren aren't

I mean, I guess? For certain definitions of degeneracy. And inasmuch as being moral sometimes requires letting go of positions I once held sacred once it becomes clear those positions came from wrong headed places.

user, it takes a certain strength to admit you were wrong. Christians speak of humility as a virtue. I think I agree.

Many animals kill their immediate family.

I believe that logic and reason should dominate all beliefs and decisions made by society.

>So I ask the atheists here, when you became atheist did you develop your own value system? Can you express what it is? What to you defines the difference between good and bad and what principles do you use to weigh up various options (family vs state, obligation to others vs individual freedom, etc)
grew up catholic, pretty easy to pick up good shit
basically, three things
> do unto others
agustinian style. don't be a dick to others, and everything will follow
> charity begins at home
simple: start bettering yourself, then your family, your neighborhood, your state, the rest
never start from your farthest point
> search the truth
it's more than "don't lie". no half truths, like muslims or kikes. always the truth. and, from there, gather knowledge

>implying self aware beings don't understand the golden rule
Hell, even dogs don't tend to bite the hand that feeds them.

Even religious Christians cannot agree on what the bible means and say. That's why there are 1000 denominations, some holding more extreme views than others, some holding more weird views than others, some holding downright immoral views. How can you say that atheism is uniquely morally relativistic when there are a thousand protestant denominations and a hundred religions. People who practice the same denomination don't even agree on the same things and have to argue on the meaning of texts and precepts. Atheists simply give up the assumption that god is real, however Christians also make many and various different assumptions that they draw their views of the world and morality from. The only thing that can explain this phenomena is the inherent subjectivity of morality.

You're leftist scum and everything wrong with the west, so you just prove my point. Your positions are abhorrent and are leading to the decay of civilization.

As a lefty/pol/ atheist, Ive always had trouble understanding why you guys get so caught up on whiteness. It literally doesn’t matter if whiteness or European culture survive.

>As a
immediately discarded, without futher reading

We all just agreed that you are a faggot.

Hey, man, you asked if I could articulate my morality. I think what I’ve said is internally consistent.

Maybe you can educate me. What IS degeneracy, and why is it bad?

>your core beliefs are not genetic, they are subjective and learnt, I gaurantee you come from a predominantly westernised society with Christian values. In many aboriginal tribes, (Not only Asutralian but natives) even in Fiji and South east Asian countries, cannibalism and rape of children is still a norm, because of culure. In some of those cultures the main goal is to be strong because of tribal warfare, thus they rape and beat their own children from 2 onwards, the weak die. That's their norm. Morals are not inborn. Study basic cultural psych.

The instant snap judgement made without thinking is a genetic condition common to all humans. It has nothing to do with complex cultural practices and is not learned. It is genetic behavior that is rooted in the ability to survive.

That is the baseline of human morality and from that you build culture on top. From which you can, because humans are flexible, learn behaviors that are in total reversal of the genetic base.

Maybe once you learn past the level of basic study you will be enlightened to the truth the genetics have a roll in behavior.

Degeneracy is what happens when races mix

Try and come at it from a Dungeons and Dragons perspective. I try to follow a Lawful Good path.

Hybrid vigor?

I became an atheist in my late teens and was introduced to politics by the new atheists movement. Their beliefs replaced my faith with liberal humanitarianism, so whatever will cause the most net happiness or avoid the most net auffering for everyone is the moral choice to make.
It is a very naiive worldview that assumes that everyone is essentially a good person and more specifically that governments exist to serve the people.
The reason most atheists lean left (that might be changing) is because they are naiive and believe the entire world can be 'saved' by being let into first world countries. Kind of reminds me of protestants desu.

There is no such thing as my atheist brethren. For me, atheism is not a religion, it's not a community, it's a lack of belief in god and nothing more. Every atheist can be different and reach his own conclusions.

I think that people who genuinely care about politics and who use their brain will reach more or less the same conclusions on what's moral and good for society and what's not.

The problem is that people who can't think critically are the majority. Stereotypical stupid christian will derive all their moral values from the bible. And that's not half bad, because the christian values are good. Stereotypical stupid atheist will propably reach their own stupid conclusions or just adapt some beliefs so that they can become part of a social circle and virtue signal to others.

I can agree that dumb atheists are worse than dumb christians. But I think it's easier to teach them how to think critically rather than make them religious.

No, sorry. Dogs ?

National Socialism

>some vague bullshit about "being good"
To you

I kept my values based on common sense, not dogmas.

Top fucking lel, you wrote that to a psychologist/geneticist.

Christians:

Atheists believe in Moral Relativism.

Also Christians:

I am a Seventh Day Adventist which branches off from the Methodist Church which branches off from the Church of England which is part of the Protestestant sect of which there are 1000 denominations which came after the Protestant reformation that branches off of the Catholic Church which is based off of Judaism.

This is now a Christian Server, so no Swearing.

You're literally retarded and posing like some enlightened faggot, maybe you should be an en-lightened faggot, in flames.

No Atheist Propaganda Allowed.

My value system is based on maximising cooperation and is validated by evolutionary biology and game theory.

No need for God to tell people how to conduct themselves efficiently when maths and science can do so and explain the reasons for why they should rationally, instead of threatening them with eternal damnation.

>value system
I'm an ammoralist, my ego is the only thing that really matters, but I am partial to natural rights, as they appear to be observations of how I might live without coming into conflict with those around me.

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>christfags still don't know what it means to be a good person on your own
You see, youll.never learn because you take your ideas from someone else and never think for yourself. You'll never truly understand what good is because youll.always just mimick and parrot what you were told without question. It can't be explained to someone who can't understand

It goes without saying that some behavior is genetically encoded into us. Unlike wolves, dogs can be domesticated and there is only about 30000 years of evolution between them. There is 50000 years of evolution between us and black people. To pretend we are the same and that only the skin color is different is really stupid.
The so called "whiteness" is the tried and true set of genetics and mental traits. It lasted through millenia, created the modern science, art and culture. You can look at Africa to see how it looks like when blacks develop their own culture without "whiteness". Incidentally, it looks the same even after some of the countries have been colonised. And you still didn't manage to fully integrate blacks into your society even when they are born in it, which is proven by their crime rate and socio-economical status statistics.
It makes me believe that the culture is tied to race much more closely than people are willing to admit. And I'd rather live in a Czech Republic than in Somalia.

I lack the ingenuity to form my own morals, so I've mostly piggybacked off of the ones from my surrounding culture.
I envy Religious people.

Game theory is taught with commie rules.

The implication is then that people without religion are immoral? This is one of the ideas that first lead me to question my faith and eventually to abandon it in hopes of finding enlightenment. One of the things religions fail to realise is that they have an expiration date. If there is noone left to believe the religion then the religion no longer exists (this is why many ancient religions have died off and are no longer practiced).

Religion needs people more than the other way round, just like the economy needs people to believe that money has value. If people suddenly decided that money wasnt a good way to move value around and moved onto another system, the money itself would have no value. Therefore, if all members of a religion chose not to believe at once, the religion ceases to exist. To summarise, BELIEF IS THE CURRENCY OF RELIGION.

Morals however are how a person develops their ability to tell right from wrong. Just because religion often influences this as a person grows up, it doesnt mean that religion is responsible for the good they do and a lack of religion is responsible for the bad. Infact a lot of good deeds are down outside of religion and a lot of evil acts are done in the name of religion.

Morals are not the responsibility of religion. They are the responsibility of parents, teachers, role models and ultimately the individual themselves.

Some people can't think for themselves, which is why they need religion to provide moral and ethics guidance. Likewise, the people (that are atheists) who can't think for themselves, have nothing to provide moral and ethics guidance, except for maybe the government which is devoid of morals and ethics just like an inanimate object (a rock) is.

A moron is a moron and will do moronic things on their own unless told otherwise.

in a way you're right user, I thought like this for many years, but who really holds those values in check? Is the reason it's not all falling apart becuse our morals have weakened due to a lack of strong moral standpoints?

Yes. My value system is that what makes people happy and gives them meaning should be encouraged as long as it does not harm others, including taking away freewill. Kinda libertarianish. Basically, you do you as long as you're not harming others.
Bad would be harming others and taking away their freewill. Good would be the opposite.

I think family is very important, but ultimately it doesn't work for a lot of people, as you would expect if we were evolved apes with anger and behavior issues.

Everyone should have the right to their own safety, liberty, and a fair trial, so I hold individual freedom at a much greater value than obligation to others. But you can't really stay alive without helping out others, so...

Pol at least surprises me that 3 in 40 posters realise that (normal) people need some moral guidance.

Most people aren't good persons by any stretch of imagination, religious or no.

Treat others how you want to be treated. Jesus Christ I swear the people here that say Christianity is needed for morality are socially retarded artists with no empathy.

Morality is generally ingrained by values that parents and community give. If the people around them use religion as a pillar, then their morals will reflect that. People can feel good or bad about something for reasons outside of religion, you know. Do you use religion to tell you how to do literally everything in your life?

How do you apply this rule to say, abortion?

Necessary evil and circumstantial.

> when you became atheist did you develop your own value system?
Not axiomatically or anything like that, but of course I have some framework of things I find good and bad.

> Can you express what it is?
In some sense I have become a nihilist, I think nothing is right or wrong in an objective sense. However, I do care about things and I have some empathy for some people; there are things I find beautiful, ways that things seem they should be, etc. That's not really a good thing necessarily, but it's not like I'm an atheist because I like it. (At least I don't think so)

> What to you defines the difference between good and bad and what principles do you use to weigh up various options (family vs state, obligation to others vs individual freedom, etc)
I don't want the state to meddle in my affairs; I like individual freedom for myself. I also think that totalitarian states don't seem like a good place to live in, so I'm generally for individual freedom (for me but not for thee won't work for obvious reasons so I support that for everyone in my country). I think a lot of social issues can be judged by their fruits. It's just a fact (studies have confirmed this) that kids in a traditional family do better than alternatives, so if the fate of your own kids matters to you, you immediately end up with certain values from that. With immigration the stats also don't lie: Many groups of immigrants, especially non-western, are over-represented in crime. I could go on, but I think the point is clear: You want a stable system that's good for you, your children, your partner and other people you love or like.

I do think that your argument for why so many atheists are leftists is quite bad though, because it doesn't explain anything; Why would vague bullshit about "being good" make you believe "letting in refugees is a good idea, it's good to help people" and not "keeping my family safe from the effects of immigration is a good idea, I want the best for my children"?

>I ask exactly what their value system is it's always some vague bullshit about "being good".
Define your moral code without saying anything alone the lines of "being good" or "doing what god wants." Be specific and if you need to give specific examples eg. "I would only kill another person if they were a threat to myself, my family, or my friends."

Easy, you test those actions through a categorical imperative.

I don't claim to be an atheist, I'm just not religious.

I don't argue that religion can be a really good for people. If it gives someone drive and hope in life that's wonderful. However, if you genuinely think religion is a necessity for having a moral compass and being a good person you might just be a complete dipshit who does the whole faith thing wrong.

I would rather have a million different religions just for the fact that it makes it more difficult for them to all be subverted by kikes. When Christian sectarians argue over their specific brand I encourage it and throw in subtle red pills about Zionism and Sharia.

Well I would argue the fact that morals can and do change over time and should NOT be set in stone like the 10 commandments are. There are somethings in society that we accept as right and some we accept as wrong. When we want definitive action in this regard we turn to the laws of the territory we are in. The issue I have is when ideas conflict.

Laws differ depending on where you are in the world and are sometimes changed. Religion is much more stubborn in that regard. e.g. 80% of British muslims in a recent survey said that they thought that being gay should be illegal in the UK. Thats not even muslims in muslim countries and I am an ex muslim who has lived in London all my life.

50 years ago it used to be illegal for 2 men to hold hands in the UK. Allan Turing the father of modern computing was sentenced by the British courts for being gay. Yet the British government has changed the law and appologised for its homophobic stance. I cant see a religion admitting an error of this magnitude let alone taking steps to change its own views on a matter.

Humans should question themselves and their own beliefs all the time. As soon as you accept a view of the world that you have been shown or told by someone else, religion or otherwise, you become that cog in the machine. The question should not be whether an alternative to religion is required, it should be why do people feel religion is neccessary to make sure they dont do bad things when laws and morals exist?

>Why would vague bullshit about "being good" make you believe "letting in refugees is a good idea, it's good to help people" and not "keeping my family safe from the effects of immigration is a good idea, I want the best for my children"?
Mostly because leftists phrase their policies in ways that at first make them seem like ethical things to do, but it's only on closer inspection that you start to see the flaws. There's also the peer pressure they place on people to conform to their ideas. For example they say letting as many refugees in as possible is the only ethical thing to do, a person without a well defined value system might see that and go "Well, helping people is good so I agree". Lets say that someone looks a bit deeper and says "I don't think these people will be a net benefit for our society.", what happens then? Usually they get attacked for being racist or bigoted. They then crumple because without the strong value system ingrained to make them actually fight for what they think is correct instead they shrug and go "Well I don't like being called racist so I guess I'll just ignore this issue"

Having strong, well formed beliefs is important to defining what is important to you and what policies you agree and disagree with. Without them you end up the typical milquetoast atheist liberal who has half assed ideas about how being a good person means conforming to all contemporary liberal ideas such as gender identity, multiculturalism, sexuality, etc.

>So I ask the atheists here, when you became atheist did you develop your own value system?
I was never really religious, I went to church as a kid, but that was it and I never picked anything up from it. I would say my moral code developed based around what I saw in the world and what my parents taught me combined with some basic human empathy.
>Can you express what it is?
In short terms, don't be a dick. More specifically it generally boils down to helping others before yourself and helping those close to you before helping those farther from you. Your family goes before strangers, your friends go before strangers, your fellow countrymen go before foreigners, etc. Violence is acceptable when it involves protecting a more valued group or individual from a less valued group or individual (eg. if your country is at war it is okay to kill, if a man breaks into your house and threatens your family it is okay to gun him down).
>What to you defines the difference between good and bad and what principles do you use to weigh up various options (family vs state, obligation to others vs individual freedom, etc)
I pretty much covered this already, but to expand upon it, the state holds no value to me (yes, predictable with the Ancap flag), its only use is in its ability to support and protect those I care about. If the state started hunting down my family I would impede the state however possible, if the state started treating people of my race as second class citizens I would oppose the state however I deem most feasible and useful. Furthermore yourself as an individual hold next to no value, you should put every human above you. Does that mean you should give away everything you own and become a wandering ascetic? Perhaps, or perhaps you view the best way to help others being to become successful so you have more resources to help them. furthermore perhaps you (like myself) are flawed and are too selfish to dedicate all of your effort to helping others.

i hate how i keep falling for this

Believing in God means you accept no slavery. You cannot accept a human master. The only true rules are the rules of the universe. You can never break the natural laws, but you can disobey any and every command issued to you by another human. Accepting someone else's dogma or orders is *always* your choice. You are your own master and no one else.

Religion is not from God. Religion was created by and for man. People have claimed to speak as God's representative. Ridiculous. They are like us, mere humans.

Many atheists start out fine. They recognize the faults of religious indoctrination and turn away from it. But their language is confused. They turn from religion, not because they don't believe. They turn from religion *because* they believe.

Sadly, many atheist stop moving forward. They look back at those whose mind is still chained. Instead of compassion, they feel anger and disgust. In their anger, many become the exact same thing they have sworn to destroy. They start preaching: "My world view is correct. How can you be so stupid as to not see it. The other's are responsible for the evil's in this world. Everyone should believe what I believe."

tldr;
Rejecting indoctrination is the first step on the spiritual path. Sadly for many it's also the last.

I agree with most of what you said except the very first part. In my honest opinion I believe that accepting religion is a form of mental slavery as it aims to control human action through fear, guilt and promise of reward.

Also if a democratic society is the best we can offer humanity right now, are there any democratic religions? if not, why not?

>Also if a democratic society is the best we can offer humanity right now
Is it? A large part of the problems the west is currently experiencing comes from the fact that people are not really participating in democracy except to vote every so often. They're not keeping themselves informed about what their local representatives are doing or how they're voting. They're not using the mechanisms built into the system to keep politicians accountable and so it's only nominally a democracy, more like the ruling class plays a game of musical chairs every 3-4 years.

I totally agree with that and by saying that a democratic society was the best we had to offer i was implying that it is far from perfect but still preferable to many other poltical systems. My point was just that countries are tending towards democracy now-a-days because more political views can be heard.

Most religions however have not made the transition for clear reasons and it is those reasons why I think it is dangerous to put so much faith in an unwavering regime

DUDE WEED LMAO

I have been Atheist my entire life. My parents (like they all should) taught me all my values, manners etc.

In Communism there is no government faggot, page 24 of the Communist Manifesto.

Everyone has their own value system.

Your valve system is why you don't beat women for refusing to cover their heads in church like it says in the OT and why you don't sell all of your property and give it to the poor like Jesus said.

People pretend to follow the bible because sometimes the bible coincides with their own value system, and they just ignore it, or come up with some kind of bullshit rationalization why they don't need to follow it.

What about the parts where God commands slaves to listen to their masters?

Nietzsche was 100% correct about the entire issue

reminder that he himself was fighting against nihilism but saw it surging as belief in god started to fade as time passed (the origin of the "god is dead" phrase)

>So I ask the atheists here, when you became atheist did you develop your own value system?
No, I'm still using the Christian value system as that was how I was raised.

Came to this thread to post Satania

Is that true? Is there actually proof of that? Asking because im seriously want to see that