give me any good reason not to outsource work to India that doesnt have to do with some bullshit reason like 'keep american jobs for americans!'
the main argument i've heard is that american programmers are better than Indian programmers but that is not demonstratively true; there are plenty of dumbass americans so please dont act like all americans are defacto more intelligent than Indians by virtue of being american because that is not true.
also if you want some laughs, read some forums by programmers complaining about their jobs being outsourced, they use the same stupid arguments ive heard retard right wingers say e.g. 'you owe it to your country' lmfao
>give me any good reason not to outsource work to India Because we have unemployed americans right now that could do the same job.
Tell your nigger-poor employeer to put his money out and hire some Americans.
Blake Cook
India will never fix itself and because of this become a global shitshow
Noah Hughes
"Think not what you can do for yourself, but what you can do for your country."
As soon as the majority of Americans totally discard this sentiment, America will cease to exist as a nation.
Sebastian Cox
>right now that could do the same job oh you mean they could do the same job for 5-10x the same price?
why pay $50 or even $20 an hour when i could pay $5 an hour and pocket the extra money? it makes no financial sense as to why anyone would pay more for the same product; have you ever heard of shopping for 'sales' you fucking brainlet retard? i told you, no arguments that rely on 'muh american jobs' when there are perfectly good Indian programmers out there which can make ME money
Luis Morris
The white males who would've gotten the job will opt out of society and get NEETbux that you pay for with your taxes. Your daughter also has one less potential white suitor. You pay one way or another.
Carson Phillips
>oh you mean they could do the same job for 5-10x the same price?
What the fuck do you care? Its not coming out of your paycheck.
If your company has to employ poos, you don't do anything that cannot be replaced. Stand up for your brothers you spineless fuck, or when they outsource your job no one will stand up for you. It isn't about "financial sense" it is about standing up for what is right. It makes complete sense to replace you with a college intern also.
Tell your employer to quit hoarding all the shekels and to put Americans to work.
Wyatt Wood
Because we don't shit in the streets outside of the office.
Leo Evans
Do it, report back how pajeet copy paste garbage code worked out for you
We had to redo everything a genius exec had outsourced.
Isaiah Harris
>muh shekels
Brody Hill
>genius exec some genius huh! i hope he didnt
A) pay in advance B) pay without confirming that the product met spec
you know there are protocols in place to ensure that you do actually get what you pay for; if it doesnt work you don't pay!
i also dont have to worry about stupid fucking entitled shits who think their work is somehow more valuable because they happened to have the privilege of being born in america
Hunter Bailey
>stupid fucking entitled shits Like yourself? You are just a college intern away from replacement.
Hunter Butler
information security.
If you think these programmers aren't building backdoors into every aspect of your site/server/etc. then you're a fucking idiot.
>I consult on net security, my firm brings in well over $1 mil./year (for reference).
There's some free info., and as proof, why do you think Poos make up so much of the scammer problem? Even more so than E.Europe/Russia where they teach computer science as core class and it's not seen as much of an issue to "attack" Western countries?
Kevin Garcia
I'm not an autistic libertarian faggot that wants to impoverish the working class in his own country.
They CANNOT PRODUCE ANYTHING OF VALUE, period. If you give them anything more demanding than helpdesk they will fuck it up big time and you will have to spend money and time to fix it.
John Powell
outsourcing only benefits the ultra rich and other countries
Anthony Diaz
>you will have to spend money and time to fix it. thats part of the pajeet scam
Joseph Thomas
Kill yourself, kike.
It's about (((their))) globalist agenda. They want to run a prison planet of border-less, race-less, culture-less, identity-less, subdued sheep. They make up less than 1% of the world's population, yet look at all they control from the world's finances to the media that brainwashes us.
In short, they use the entertainment and news media to encourage globalism and to discourage nationalism and traditional western values. They distort and lie about the past and present in that effort.
>not wanting jobs in America and help make America great again Post nose, kike
Dylan Davis
If you live in America then support America, if you don't want to then move your entire company and yourself into india instead of fucking up your country out pf greed.
Carter Roberts
>there's plenty of dumbass americans
>so this niche area, programmers, must also be just as competent on average as poos cus poos are also retarded
t. Retard
Connor Adams
Btw OP., I also have a background in process engineering, and not paying some college kid to do the pleb work really takes away from the R&D possibilities. I figure you're a nobody at your company, or you're working for some huge conglomerate that relies on quality over quantity/marketing and advertising; this is pretty fundamental.
Dylan Foster
It's the same logic regardless of the type of job. And the conclusion is, if you want to be competitive and thus make money, you look for someone that exactly suits your needs.
If you believe the quality of person a is on par with person b, but person a is cheaper, you'd be an idiot to hire person b. Noone keeps you from spending the extra money you make to compensate for which in itself is much more difficult to evaluate in terms of costs than the difference between being able to launch your startup and make money, or fail miserably, go bankrupt and be yet another weight on society..
Asher Turner
I just can't stand their *shitty* accents.
David Reyes
i mean this just means ill have to use one of the multiple available scanners/monitors for security breaches?
>NEVER worked with Pajeets. >They CANNOT PRODUCE ANYTHING OF VALUE
this is an outright lie seemingly perpetuated by assblasted alt right and/or nationalist morons.
first of all it implies that americans by and large can produce anything of more value relative to India (or anyone else) which is not demonstratively true.
second it implies that i havent worked with many many Indian men and women and have already had multiple positive experiences with them
Jonathan Garcia
>fucking up your country out pf greed
this argument basically boils down to
>people are out there getting rich >i better stay poor by not adapting to the times
ive known quite a few Indian people that smell bad as well but when you outsource you never have to smell them which removes literally the only bad thing about interacting with them. other than that ive found most Indian people to be very friendly, intelligent, and some even charming.
Ian Campbell
>American programmers are better than Indian programmers In my experience, poos are not good a coding, it is ridiculous how many projects we have extended due to fixing bad poo code.
Julian Bell
You do realize Trump is a shabbos goy, right?
Adrian Turner
>not paying some college kid to do the pleb work really takes away from the R&D possibilities
trust me i've worked with many many fresh college graduates. obviously with the exception of the rare diamond in the rough e.g. rockstars, the only thing that american made college graduates bring with them is the soyboy bitch attitude coupled with a completely unwarranted sense of self-importance. no thanks.
this whole concept of 'american creativity' is not only a meme but its almost a completely overblown lie.
Kayden Long
>i mean this just means ill have to use one of the multiple available scanners/monitors for security breaches?
Lol, no. Depending on your companies resources, there's a good chance you wouldn't even see them poking around and setting up the "attack" or theft. Why do you think that governments work on 99% close networks? Yet, they are even still susceptible. If you're handing anything of value, then you better not outsource the shit. Have Brad Wang do it.
Elijah Reyes
They aren't running the R&D department, but they can be consulted on aspects that my be hindering your goals...
Carson Ross
Just for another example, Honda strayed from automation because it was really fucking up their R&D, which they credit 100% to their lowest workers.
I'm not giving you anymore, I charge for this shit.
Henry Jones
>that american programmers are better than Indian programmers but that is not demonstratively true; there are plenty of dumbass americans so please dont act like all americans are defacto more intelligent than Indians by virtue of being american because that is not true. You have confused intelligence with ability. Study into India programmers found that only 36% of Indian software engineers can write working code that can be compiled.
"The study states, “We find that out of the two problems given per candidate, only 14 percent of engineers were able to write compilable codes for both and only 22 percent were able to write compilable code for exactly one problem.” The test also found that of all the subjects tested, only 14.67 percent would be employable by a modern IT firm. When testing for candidates that could write fully functional code using the best practices and methods, only 2.21 percent passed the test."
Hunter Sullivan
Yep. Every employer I've seen go overseas -- usually excited because they're convinced they've found one of the good ones -- was pissed off and doing triage after a year or two. Whatever good ones there were were skimmed off years ago. They're not sitting over there working for rice, which is the one true reason companies go there.
Jack Rogers
>actually thinking Indians are good at programming I honestly cannot tell if you're shitposting or not, there's so many retards that think like this.
Joseph Wood
I really just want Indian chicks to send me bobs. bhaarateey ladakiyon seksee hain.
Carson Parker
because fuck globalism
Gavin Gonzalez
Dude, let it be.
Alexander Walker
code review exists for a reason and yeah, i wouldnt exactly be setting up the entire backend to be outsourced (initially)
>they can be consulted on aspects that my be hindering your goals they can also easily be pulling shit out of their asses.
i'm not looking to start a fight but it seems like you are saying that americans make better 'idea guys' which be that as it may, still means they are utterly useless without execution.
would you really trust a junior/fresh face to help decide how you operationalize business processes? i mean that sort of thing would definitely require an experienced consultant who may have a higher likelihood of being American but for all other purposes what would be the financial sense in hiring in-house for higher when cheaper alternatives exist?
Thomas Garcia
Why would you want to help a country other than your own, faggot?
Thomas Thompson
>american programmers >all americans I think we've found the intelligence deficit here.
Joshua Lewis
He's a kike cunt. Not every 'murican likes him. But I'd rather have him over hiidawg
Gavin Kelly
Go ahead. You'll be hiring someone like me to clean up your mess in a couple years. You won't get me to do it for $50/hour, though. There's a stupid tax for that.
Jayden Carter
>Why people are afraid of the facts about the Jews: >>youtube.com/watch?v=-iU9kf2EHJw youtube is doing everything it can to make me not see this CIAs got me on fake internet
Aaron Hernandez
See. I'll just tell you my perspective here now. Indians who are interested in programming actually are good programmers (and there are some who don't know shit about it but work hard to get cs major) and there are some who poo. Otherwise everyone here wants to pick CS as a major and poo in the country.
Thomas Collins
Indian workers are horrible. Lazy people who will take any shortcut possible. I usd to work for a CPA firm that handed off projects overnight to Indians. Would come back in the morning and spend 3 hours correcting pajeet's mistakes and listening to bullshit excuses. If you want something done correctly use a white guy.
Xavier Scott
>actually thinking Indians are good at programming
you could say the exact same thing as an argument whenever someone claims that americans are good at programming too.
not only do you have a good chance of getting some american "programmer" who doesnt know what the fuck they are doing, on top of that you are paying them 5-10x the cost of an Indian programmer on top of the overhead of insurance and labor laws
Cooper Reyes
Newfag here though.
Just deal with it if Indian programmers are better than y'all muricans. We actually are(the ones who manage to steal your jobs) . You don't need statistics for this shit.
Christopher Jones
Have you ever worked with an Indian male? I have and if you want to work with them, this is what you will be dealing with: 1. They lie all the fucking time... about everything. Understanding what you just told them, if they did the tasks you set before them, if they created a ticket for the outage they just caused, if they were the ones who just deleted the entire root partition of a major server because they could even bother to cut and paste a command from a MOP 2. They stink... like shit...mixed with curry, marinated in b.o. My director once pulled our resident Indian shit pustule into his office to have a crucial conversation with him about personal hygiene. Told him to shower every day... the next day he came in still wafting his disgusting shit cloud behind him and the Director was like: 'wtf, dude, did you take a shower?' Indian: 'yes'... ffs 3. They cannot for the life of them write an email in English... their speaking abilities will never rise above a grade three level, but they can actually get by with it. But emails... writing they can simply never hope to achieve. I've seen Indian authored emails that snowball into catastrophe and ultimately take down networks. 4. They are sleazy and sketchy as fuck. Another Indian I worked with decided that his job wasn't challenging enough for him and despite getting complaints about his performance from every single group he worked with, he thought he could start his own web development company on the side (total conflict of interest) and use company resources like his co. issues cell phone for his new venture. Ethics are an unknown subject to these people. 5. Weird behaviour that shouldn't be tolerated in Western countries. Another Indian (woman this time) was working on one of our systems with an Indian consultant... he started hitting on her at work and in the end offended her to the point that she slapped him. Oh he apologized profusely and so she made him kiss her feet.
Don't. hire.
John Wilson
why do you guys constantly push for these memes of 'help your own country' when ostensibly the country as a whole has forsaken us?
this is just the way the world works now; we can adapt to the times or suffer in obsolescence. me personally i think theres more valor in tenacity vs regressionism
Oliver Scott
>code review exists for a reason and yeah, i wouldn't exactly be setting up the entire backend to be outsourced (initially)
Let me run this debugger and process check... Welp, there's my pay check for the next 2 months, back to WoW. Yea, I'm guessing you outsource that to someone too? Meaning, out of your company?
>they can also easily be pulling shit out of their asses. Obviously, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm saying you run into a hurdle, and they are available to possibly point out something you're overlooking or suggest a solution.
BTW, I'm not against outsourcing, send all your HR jobs to India, that's a smart move, but do not let them fuck with something as vulnerable as your company's infrastructure.
Also, the best companies, the companies growing the fastest DO NOT outsource (outside of the company itself) jobs.
Jaxon Green
Yeah. We all have it in us because of the ready improvisation shortcuts or as we simply say "jugaad". Actually it shits on all the procedural stuff but on the other hand it's how our country survives out there.
Nathan Bailey
I used to work for an agency that outsourced all the work as an experiment. We of course didn't pay up front, but there were so many cycles of "no, not right; redo" — despite these pajeets being told EXACTLY what to do — that it stopped making sense simply because it pushed our deadlines way out just having to deal with them.
We ended up losing money. Pajeets are useless and outsourcing and contract agencies are corrupt as fuck.
Where I work now has tons of H1bs from India — supposedly the cream of the crop — and they are all shit developers with no initiative.
Isaiah Miller
Rule of thumb for all the hwites over here. If the starting salary the company gives to their employees is 300,000 rupees per annum, don't outsource stuff to them.
Adrian Mitchell
duly noted.
thinking about it further it does seem like the concept of 'security' is not as easy as i thought it was...
even beyond the filter for explicit backdoors which are coded in, i'm now kindof scared of vulnerable holes which are intentionally left open but that are hard to detect as being open...
info sec must be a pretty fucking rad field then; do you design penetration testing protocols?
Matthew Lewis
That is true of any race. However poos seem unable to abstract properly, one guy had a folder with literally hundreds of scripts with slight variations, I converted them all into a single script. He wasn't a strong coder, so understandable. Except we also had an expert of 20+ years, he did the same thing, repeated the same script dozens of times with slight variations rather than making a single script. Oh but we also had another whose idea of fixing a bug, was to add comments to each section and then claim he fixed it (it was fixed by a separate coder but this guy didn't mind taking credit until he was unable to explain what had changed). Maybe my job is leaving me biased, because we also had a shit Asian coder even though they have been good for the most part.
Adam Martinez
>asks a question >gets the answer >doesn't like it >hands over ears lalalalalalalala
Cameron Jones
This, I have seen all but #5. Good summing up.
Levi Young
Honestly this country is full of shits. We are just overpopulated with shit. Only a fraction of it is good but mostly shit spreads around the world.
>anyone with some positive about pajeets
Ian Hernandez
Settle down pajeet
Eli Nguyen
Indian software engineers are fucking morons
The only good engineers and physicians worth their salt are already outside of the shithole that is India.
Ian Ross
Sarcastic response: please, go ahead. I've seen so many failed outsourcing projects that you're really just adding to the billings when you have to get the system fixed by onshore workers.
Sincere response. My advice: start small, consider Eastern Europe / China over India, and be wary of the major firms. Only farm out specific, very small services, and don't let vendor code mingle too deeply with your core business logic.
You might think that "there's a spec and I'll check that they've met it" but that's never the case. Your spec will be incomplete / complicated in some way. If you work with a closely integrated team they'll highlight these issues and work with you to come up with a good solution. If you work with an outsourcing shop they're going to hide issues and make bad assumptions in order to make things run. This leaves you with a buggy, inflexible product, which will inevitably cause you to run back to the same firm for fixes.
Noah Carter
>do you design penetration testing protocols? I used to, I do vulnerability assessment because of my background in systems and modules.
Tyler Reyes
>please dont act like all americans are defacto more intelligent than Indians by virtue of being american because that is not true. the average iq of india is african nation tier and many of the ones who werent full on tards already left india
outsourcing labor to india is a charity you wont get a tax write off for
Jaxson Baker
I fully support pajeets, or anyone, being a coder and offering his wares online. If you're good, there's plenty of work for everyone, and you won't have to work for peanuts for an outsourcer like IBM. I just get real tired of the outsourcers who fill clients' heads with bullshit. It doesn't hurt me in the long run, because they'll have to come to someone like me when they realize they aren't getting what they were promised. But then I'm dealing with a client that's already frustrated, over deadline, and over budget. Not really ideal.
Isaiah Ortiz
>the good ones out of india already
Actually true. The kids here already are sick of the shithole and still a few can get out of it.
Joshua Davis
Could be, I can't even properly fathom the distribution of coders from country with a billion+ people. Maybe we just end up with lower end of scale. Yes, I am worried about that happening here. We are going to a vendor for a new version of something that has always been developed in-house. Going to be super shitty when stuff breaks and we are waiting for code fixes from literally the opposite side of the world.
Camden Allen
OP, if you like street-shitting Pajeets so much, then why don't you move your entire company there? You obviously think more of Pajeet than Aryan Americans. Go join him.
Grayson Torres
I'm a part-time coder, and what do you guys think of Upwork website? Are there any places to get part-time work as a coder? I do C# and XAML.
Landon Brooks
thats awesome! do you have any resources for someone who wanted to get atleast an initial grasp of the elements that go into this sort of work?
i'm a fairly hands-on-manager in that i generally want to understand how to do something before i feel comfortable delegating it out to trusted teammembers; if i wanted to understand vulnerability and the many ways that backdoors/exploits could be implemented into a product do you have a recommendation for a good place to start?
Gabriel Foster
Because otherwise you are just a parasite and eventually things are going to come back around and bite you in the ass.
Julian Miller
outsource all the jobs your want to and risk losing any IP you have, faggot. Just don't expect to import pajeets to our country for less than 1/2 the wage for an American asks for because your commie ass is too cheap to pay for American workers while expecting to maintain control of your IP. t. owns several businesses that operate both foreign and domestic
Evan James
>You might think that "there's a spec and I'll check that they've met it" but that's never the case do you have any particular advice for management to mitigate this factor? my initial thought is scrum but obviously if you have more anecdotal advice then i am 100% open and eager for information.
Christopher James
I have a few reasons:
>You get to directly oversee the code being written >It isn't just that you can trust an average American over an average Indian, it's that you can check up on them more easily >If the job is purely technical, this won't matter, but Indians will lack cultural knowledge of USA (and given general education, I'd presume other countries) when designing products >Having domestic coders at home means that hardware producers can more easily contact and work with them in order to optimise their hardware >If hiring Indians means splitting your workforce, this will mean that synergy will decrease >Staying in the USA means more security. Whether that be in ensuring the quality of the worker, or that your intellectual property will remain your own
Okay, let's see you worm your way out of this one.
Ryder Perez
>outsource all jobs! >allow unimpeded immigration! >why are wages so low? IMPEACHF
Fuck I hate evrything
Oliver Green
Trace amounts (or large amounts) of feces on everything they export. These people pave their roads with shit
Austin Gonzalez
I appreciate your enthusiasm, but I charge for this (Capitalism FUCK YEA). I'd recommend you learn a little code, and just read into major Habbenings like stuxnet and the Wanna Cry attack.
It'll give you a rough idea.
John Anderson
>multiple available scanners/monitors for security breaches You are retarded my dude.
Brandon Young
I'll try to boil down that 1.2 billion. A better half of it is shit. Not trying to be misogynistic but women don't shit here. Only some get to the top but stay in India. Actually the intelligence is kinda distributed in concentrations here. We have a south which actually gets all your tech outsourcing stuff done. Then the north does shit. East too. The central parts are better overall. Out of 3 million chaps per year 250k get good colleges. And a fixed 10k get the best, and most likely from here you're gonna see a future top company CEO. You can have excellent coders here but only some can make it out because of their communication skills and good English say 10%.
Grayson Diaz
Do as you see fit with your imaginary business. If you want to pay pajeet $5 an hour to telecommute from India, awesome, just don't ask for the protections that you would normally have as a business owner. So when Chin or Pajeet run off with your intellectual property because they're in their home country that has no fucks to give about you and monetize it for themselves at half your price we won't hear a peep from you, right? Now if you want to bring them here for $5 an hour on an H1B you can go fuck yourself and rot in Hell. Take the risk or don't, just quit half assing shit all your life, faggot. t. still worth more than your larping ass
Jaxon Jenkins
is that the new disney han solo on the left
Zachary Foster
A couple companies in Bengaluru handle our overflow work. Consequently we turn fewer projects down. All the degree-holding candidates we'd interview were worthless. It was actually easier to get kids right out of high-school and train them in CAD ourselves. But our company is in a blue state, and the overhead is brutal; wasn't cost effective to keep hiring, because we'd pass a threshold (certain # of employees) and we'd get hammered. Liberals think their programs and regulations are the difference between bad jobs and good jobs In reality they just eliminate the jobs altogether So anyway, no regrets.
Aaron Hall
Can totally agree about the staggering difference in the cultural education given to us. Most of it actually causes the degeneracy here.
>But screw you guys, I'm going murica
Jacob Cox
>fixed 10k get the best Wtf are you saying Not everyone who goes to IIT takes computer science lol CS majors in IIT are like 1000-2000 every year
Owen Scott
But there are others too who make it outside of this shithole we're in. Only IIT's aren't everything. We'll cs majors actually are iit ones and others. What happens to them who don't get a IIT but opt for a cs major.
Christopher Hall
That's why I said it isn't fixed. There are colleges that are at least as good as IITs (IIITs are what I'm talking about here)
Dominic Mitchell
It's more than just learning about history, etc.
I remember hearing one story about a Chinese company which launched a device designed to recharge phones at a bar.
It flopped, the reason being that while the Chinese tend to be socially recluse and literally go to the bar with friends purely to use their phones, Americans tend to use the setting to talk and have face-to-face conversations.
Jose Murphy
>language barrier >communication will be difficult because of timezone differences >they're cheap and in a different country so you can't breathe down their necks for better quality, they can tell you to fuck off
Christopher Lopez
There are some bad american programmers but there are no good indian programmers.
Brody Butler
Hey bro, 53M voter for Hillary clearly demonstrates that a significant portion of our society is worthless, too. Have you heard of this thing called the Bell Curve? Or the word "average"? I would be more than happy to cherry pick the finest men and women of your society but only if they have the qualifications and the gumption to demand American wages, assuming that they want to assimilate in the first place. As an American business owner, I have no problem giving my business to China, the Philippines, Taiwan, India, and etc if an American business exported their labor to said country and got under-mined by the locals just out of principle. Fuck, with certain products I go out of my way to buy the knock-offs just to spite the companies that want to profit off Americans while avoiding profiting Americans at all costs. I am literally watching two patent lawsuits right now waiting for the American to get told to get fucked so that I can pull a Chinaman and move into that space with no R&D and no consequence because retards like you have no idea how patent law works in the US. I even have plans to do it better, but my price will be commensurate to the quality of product and cost of labor that I provide. And people will buy it. I love you people. Keep doing you while I keep putting my profits into lobbying to end the H1B program as it is today (not altogether) while straight up stealing all them gibmedats. People like OP is larping to be are about to be in for a rude awakening; this isn't even my idea and I'm not the only one waiting in the wings. God bless America, and God bless patent laws.
Levi Brown
accountability.
Mason Jones
"Ask not where your country will let you poo! Ask where you can poo on your country!"
Isaac Smith
No bar culture here. Just grab some drinks, friends maybe and go to the rooftop. Die maybe.
Landon Ross
I better stay where I am.
Anthony Ward
One of my first jobs after the military was tending bar. I'm negotiating buying my first local bar now because it's literally the first liquor license being sold here in the last 8-10 years. There is a market for it here, I can assure you this. Next time you go to the bar - and not a hole in the wall one in the sticks - and observe more. You'll find that your observation is only partially true depending on your AO.
Daniel Ortiz
I've worked with indians in the past. theyre great for cheap logo design, but any serious coding job, I would only hire American simply for accountability and legal reasons.
Gabriel Butler
i only go to holes in the wall in the sticks.
Christian Reyes
Jesus Christ. This place is full of cheap logos created by shitheads on photoshop that a kid may do. Or for that matter even MS paint and people are that gullible to accept it as a professional product. Poo logos.
Mason Foster
Checked
Hudson Martinez
You can try it. Just be warned though that software engineer productivity is a very interesting thing.
You will find that the western software engineers generally DO justify a x10 or x20 higher wage. Pajeets generally just solve problems by trial and error and trying to spam out a solution as fast as possible. In the end, these people often do take x5 to x10 the time to complete a task. And then you find all of the bugs, and technical debt where they had no consideration for future improvements. And suddenly paying a dev $100K instead of $10K is actually worth it when they are 20x more productive. Just look at Netflix paying software engineers 500K... they are worth it too.
