Is ancap the most easily BTFO'd political ideology?

Is ancap the most easily BTFO'd political ideology?

No that's communism
Ancaps are dessert

Every person can be their own corporation, you idiot commie

It seems to me that I've never read a single Ancap-criticising post on Sup Forums that was made by a person who demonstrated an understanding of Ancap.

warlords roads children yada yada yada

You're both trash. All anarchists get the bullet.

That's anarchism in all of its variants followed by communism.

Ancom is literally an oxymoron

Corporations are a creation of the state

>anarcho-anything
trash

autistic incel brainlets vs hedonistic lifestylist brainlets

but all brainlets at the end of the day

>says the communist

It's not. Federated trade unionist administration is objectively more anarchistic than executive capital-holding administration. It's just that ancoms refuse to read Marx and have no idea what they're doing.

At least ancap follows logical sense (Ex. basically Laissez Faire). Anarcho-communism is just an oxymoronic ideology. Fuck out of here already "edgy" antifaggots

I am not sure who that image BTFOs harder.

Anarchism is an ideology that developed as early as the 17th century, and is characterised by voluntary association, the abolition of private property, and an opposition to hierarchy.

1. capitalism cannot exist without the state enforcing private property laws

2. capitalism is hierarchical

Therefore 'anarcho'-capitalism is an oxymoron. The term was invented by (((Rothbard))) to steal and distort the historically leftist words 'anarchist' and 'libertarian.'

Anarchy = statelessness
Capitalism requires a state
--> Capitalism != Anarchy

Reminder that corporations CANNOT exist without a state propping them up.

where do you think those bullets come from?
bullet trees?

wealth continues to be transferred into cryptocurrencies because they are proof that you do not need the state to enforce ownership but rather blockchain technology and encryption

no, you're just in the dunning-kruger spire

No matter what means of exchange you use to abstract it, society will always be a project of exploiting resources and creating things with *use* value. No matter how small scale and decentralized, the relationship between capital holder and labor will always be hostile and non-democratic. Anarcho-capitalism is inherently contradictory.

ancaps are all pedophiles

It is in any capitalism because its just ironic and cyclical. Why would you want anarchy on capitalism then just replace it with capitalism? Just be libertarian.

>the relationship between capital holder and labor will always be hostile
So this magically ceases to happen when the laborers are also the capitol holders? Can you promise none will be more equal than others? Your heroes Lenin, Stalin and Che certainly couldn't.
Also nothing is preventing you fucklords from doing this right now if you had any resources between the 12 of you.

the thing about anarchism in general. You never can replace the state. Anarchy will collapse quickly and replaced with a new governing body.

Humans are assholes, human will always be assholes. Starting a bloody revolution is risky, you might get lucky with good leaders and establish a better system like American war for independence or the French revolution.

Or you just end up with something just as bad if not worse. Like every communist revolution ever.

You both are equally retarded.

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There is a massive dunning-kruger effect with the ancap haters. People who know literally nothing about anarchocapitalism seem to think they are knowledgeable enough to judge it.

These critics only ever raise concerns that were addressed decades ago, and they are too stupid to even check google to see if their big "gotcha" concerns have been addressed. None of these retards have a rebuttal to the ancap responses to these concerns, because these retards aren't even aware that ancaps addressed their big "gotcha" concerns decades ago.

The absolute state of ancap critics...

Socialism is free of the fundamentally parasitic relationship between management and labor. Profiteering by its very definition requires compensating a worker less than the value his labor has generated. This is the foundation of capitalism: forcefully cordoning off the means by which society enriches itself (land, natural resources) and then demanding that those who would enrich society enrich you instead.

When this relationship is done away with, resources and labor are only exploited to the extent necessary to support society. The only remaining coercion to work is provided by nature itself.

>Also nothing is preventing you fucklords from doing this right now if you had any resources between the 12 of you.
I agree. Resources have to be seized back.

you literally have no idea how capitalism works. go read a book. take a class on economics. do something other than run your mouth. you're judging things while at the same time demonstrating you don't understand what you're judging. are you seriously this dumb?

The single biggest problem with ancap that the ancaps haven't solved is how the hell we're supposed to get to an ancap society. The economic arguments are generally sound and their vision of a society would probably work if tried but I don't believe it'll ever be tried.

>ancaps haven't solved is how the hell we're supposed to get to an ancap society
This isn't true.

>is a political ideology made up of random capitalists who have no leader and no basic idea of what to think ways to btfo
Yes

I've seen this meme image plenty of times. There's an even longer meme rebuttal to it, but I don't base my worldview on memes so I don't have it on hand to share with you. The fact that it is framed entirely in terms of exchange value is testament to the complete and utter tunnel vision of liberals like you. Like I get it: you think you're hot shit because you read half of a Sowell or Mankiw textbook in your freshman year of uni. Congrats. None of that describes the fundamental workings of history: only frivolous abstractions for navigating today's status quo.

I hope for your own sake you're larping. You literally demonstrated you have no concept of how capitalism works in the same post you condemned it. Do you not understand the issue with this? How are you able to condemn something you don't understand? You're just talking out of your ass and this makes you an utter retard.

Btw, I've seen the meme response to the surplus value meme and the original response actually counters the dumbass commie response. Quite hilarious in fact. Commies are literally too stupid to even understand this and actually think they've BTFO'd capitalism by crafting an argument that was rebutted in the argument they are attempting to rebut.

Again.. I really hope you're just larping. To be this fucking stupid and present yourself as being informed on how to run an economy or.. anything... my god... I fear for your future.

All forms of anarchy which suppose some additional conditions on how people organize are the most easily BTFO ideologies.

Anarchy is anarchy. Assuming anything more than anarchy from anarchy is retarded.

No, ancom is. Think about it, what's more retarded than taking away the state and letting everyone be free to act in accordance with their nature? Taking away the state and letting everyone be free to act in accordance with their nature and then assuming they'll voluntarily share with people on the other side of the country because some retard who doesn't want to share his shit thought it sounded nice on paper

You can't eat bitcoins.

Thanks for the tl;dr

What you must understand is that fundamentally, marxniggers don't have a legitimate theoretical framework for what they think- because they still believe all that retarded shit after its been proven wrong again and again. No, they adhere to their beliefs because it's essentially a religion. They're all fedora tippers, and it turns out religion is simply part of human nature, so they now are part of a death cult that wants to bring about their genocidal "utopia." This means arguing with them gets you nowhere, it's like arguing with jihadists. He's not gonna put down the knife, just shoot him.

If you have a specific point of criticism then raise it. You used all those words but said nothing.

I contend that the private ownership of land and resources is hostile, as it is always done through force, and seeks to divert the exploitation of these resources towards the enrichment of the owner rather than society at large. This is a fundamental inefficiency of capital, as the gross amount of labor necessary to preserve society remains constant, but an additional tax exists upon access to the means of production. Without this rent-seeking that necessitates additional labor hours, there is no capitalism.

You responded with a comic about advertising and taxes.

And the meme rebuttal is retarded. Imagine actually believing that there's a parasitical relationship between labour and management. You'd have to be some fucking loser who'll never get a management position and certainly never own a business. Lenin though management was pointless until they tried to do without and he had to institute the NEP because your ideas are retarded and all based around your complete lack of understanding of the real world. Keep claiming others have tunnel vision even though you've never been anything other than a leftist who doesn't read anything other than leftist literature

communists are literally retarded, if we turned into a communist system right now, soy boys and idiot women would not work ruining the system, making us all starve while all regular people would be holding off the raging state death squad while trying to retain democracy back into order.

these are all VERY bad low quality posts
please try harder. those not quoted, please continue.

>replace state with working class
You mean democracy?

>BASED kekistanis smarter than redpilled nazis
How will you stormfags ever recover from this?

>wartorn agrarian state had yet to reach the level of development/cohesion necessary to lapse into socialism
Wow!

this is an ESPECIALLY bad post by someone who doesn't understand how a bell curve works.

misclicked the 'C' there.

How so? If you flip ancom with ancap it looks about right to me.

wow, another retarded anarchist
protip: vertical lines are the same at any point across the line

That's like saying communism can't exist without the state preventing people from owning private property.

This is nothing more than arguing over semantics and term definitions. The reality is anarcho-capitalism is a rather well fleshed out ideology. We can call it something else if it makes you feel better.

>Revolutionary Barcelona
3 years
>Free Territory of Ukraine
2 years
>Paris Commune
2 months

Why can't ancoms stop getting btfo?

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Which one gets rid of the Central Bank?

Yeah ancaps are subhumans who can get the wall basically. Libertarians too.

ancap

Both the an and com are stateless you dreck

Bring back Stalin mao and che ao.we can execute reactionaries by the millions again

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That's a lot of text to say "I like to fuck children"

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It's the same exact shit.
The only difference is that the corporate overlords start poor and have to kill a bunch of people first.

that's Mr. Dishwasher to you.

I literally came here to call you an enormously self-important, yet no less egregious faggot

T. third world

reconsider your life and your arguments, 12 year old. Sup Forums used to be better.

corportism is.a.legal thing existing because of government. remove state welfare and subsidies

Which would do nothing to alter the fundamentally exploitative nature of the relationship between management and labor.

Ancap is the only ideology where, even if you fail to keep your values as the norm, you still benefit from following them.

They can't.
They will always get crushed and call the defeat inspiring and romantic.
All they had to do was read Marx.

One is individualistic and the other is collective and mobs don't act intelligently

>One is individualistic
Firms are one-man operations?
Society will always exist. It's not a question of individualism versus collectivism; it's about executive rule versus democratic consensus.

That girl would be gorgeous if she didn't ruin herself with all of that (bad) ink.

No, it's the most often stawmaned fallacy

Capitalism doesn't require a state.

The old socialists we're totally wrong.

Fun fact. Free trade predates the state

>replaces the state with the working class

>democratic consensus
Democracy is flawed. Mobs don't think intelligently. And they are easily swayed and misinformed.

Read Plato

Break the hypnosis. You can do it

No, Communism is. Just hand them a history book.

Cue
>b-but it wasn't real communism

Glad to see so many AnCaps. I thought pol had lost its AnCap slant

So you admit that right-wing libertarian philosophy is simply about preserving an individual's privilege to do unto others. At least it's not disingenuous Cato psychobabble. We don't have to argue over those points because there's nothing to reconcile such diametrically oppose worldviews. They simply have to be met with force.

>They simply have to be met with force
You keep talking,
We keep waiting....

>malnourished, undereducated costa rican thinks he can match wits with a native of the GREATEST NATION ON EARTH

>he thinks capitalism == trade
LMFAO

So, let's talk about the GATE program, and tavistock.

With no state to enforce either of these ideologies, people would just make their own state. Why are anarchists so retarded?

Involuntary redistribution of wealth requires a a group with a monopoly on force to coerce the individuals of the society into giving up their money and property.

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Anarcho-capitalism is not opposed to the state, it is opposed to the coercive state, there is a difference.
If you want to be a cuck and voluntarily agree to it, that is up to you.

That's a pill they don't even consider.

>non-coercive state
>incorporation
Pick one. Considering the first thing most individuals and businesses do when they form a new company is run to the government, fill out a form, and pay a fee. For this they receive a special class of existence and treatments (tax rules...), plus an umbrella of protection in case it fails or they screw it up.
>fill out form(s)
>pay fee(s)
>each party receives something
>each party expects something from the other
Sounds to me like a contract. So, maybe instead of getting into a contract with the government right from the beginning, most companies and the people that start them should remain sole proprietors and partnerships, and assume all risk.

>you admit that right-wing libertarian philosophy is simply about preserving an individual's privilege to do unto others
Where did you read that in my post? This is ultimate projection. You are living in a threatened fantasy land of your own making, which is pityful.

Libertarians are about actions that affet NO ONE else and having no one act against them.

yeah - the whole point of AnCap-ism is voluntaryism. If anyone forces you - thats against ancap, which is why a commie gets so confused

All forms of anarchism are laughable, but I agree that even anclaps are more retarded than ancoms.

All wealth can be traced back to a struggle over resources and a violent conflict. All property stems from violence. You don't have an intrinsic right to anything. Property is a spook, and money is a social construct that requires the state to exist.

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it's better than Ancom tough. At least you have food in Ancapistan.

Question: Why would people accept cryptocurrency?

Ancap = feudalism
Ancom = communism
The anarchist part will never be achieved those that world power will use it and form some sort of govt. Both concepts are retarded.