So you're trying to tell me that Bill Clinton can't even conceal fucking an intern...

So you're trying to tell me that Bill Clinton can't even conceal fucking an intern, but the holocaust was successfully faked because of a massive ongoing conspiracy?

Really?

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The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed.

>So you're trying to tell me that Bill Clinton can't even conceal fucking an intern, but the holocaust was successfully faked because of a massive ongoing conspiracy?
>Really?

Its not like it took much faking.

90% of the 'evidence' consists of ridiculous stories from Jews

Faking something and straight up lying are two different things. Santa Claus.

Really? That's an extreme amount of fakery. Even if you ignore that 10% of evidence for such a monumental event is a lot of evidence, the 90% of Jews telling stories would require such a high degree of coordination that it's difficult to even comprehend.

>You mean to tell me that hiding an old pervert's lust for shoving cigars up a skank's snatch wouldn't be worth both the effort, or the political returns?

You probably don't see why you should kill yourself, but everyone else around you does.

At least try.

The soviets faked the holocaust, that's why all "extermination camps" were in soviet controlled lands. Americans were all about the truth so the camps they investigated were not. Makes perfect sense that an American president couldn't conceal fucking an intern then.

It requires almost no effort to hide such a thing. Faking the holocaust on the other hand requires effort like the world has never seen before or since.

I did. It's not feasible.

It's not like there's enough proof online people choose not to believe.

Well the US government and other governments didn't have sex with 1 intern did they.

>Really? That's an extreme amount of fakery

There's an extreme amount of lying Jews. How come they weren't gassed?

No counter-evidence was allowed to be entered in at Nuremburg.

>the 90% of Jews telling stories would require such a high degree of coordination that it's difficult to even comprehend.

Its not coordinated. Their stupid stories evolve with time and contradict each other

You can say the Jews are liars all you like, but that's not the point, the point is that holocaust deniers are proposing that Jews are all coordinating their lies. A race wide LARP isn't a believable answer to any question.

It's easy when even the hoaxers believe their own lies

>Faking the holocaust on the other hand requires effort like the world has never seen before or since.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident#Later_statements_about_the_incident

>You can say the Jews are liars all you like, but that's not the point, the point is that holocaust deniers are proposing that Jews are all coordinating their lies.

They dont coordinate them. They all have their own stupid versions.

>coordinated

which ones? The human lampshades? The human soap? the masturbation machines? the "electrified floors"?

Differing accounts doesn't mean they're not coordinating. They are all giving accounts about the same thing. They have all been convinced to lie about the holocaust according to deniers.

To say it didn’t happen is pushing it, but a great deal of evidence was faked. Just look up the death toll at Auschwitz. Changed from 4mil+ to 1.1mil in the 80s because it was found Soviets faked a lot of evidence and exaggerated the numbers. For that matter, look how greatly it’s politicized. Ask a Polish man who suffered most from the Holocaust and he’ll say the poles. Ask a Jew and they’ll say Jews. As a Russian and guess what they’ll answer.

Yeah, but who gets the cheques though? They're the real victims, user.

>Differing accounts doesn't mean they're not coordinating

They cant all be true since they describe different versions of events at the same time and place.

I'm not saying they're all true, I'm saying that holocaust deniers think there's a race wide effort to lie about the holocaust, which is ridiculous.

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the holocaust lie works because of people's (cowardly) unwillingness to appear weak or evil or foolish

anyone who examines it knows that its a massive crock of shit, but once you crack open that lie, you suddenly have to start thinking critically about the world, and fighting against people who are obviously much better organized than you are

>I'm not saying they're all true, I'm saying that holocaust deniers think there's a race wide effort to lie about the holocaust, which is ridiculous.

Why is that ridiculous? Jews are natural liars

Most holocaust “deniers” don’t actually deny that Jews were killed in concentration camps. They believe the statistics have been wildly exaggerated and that most Jewish deaths happened towards the end of the war due to allied bombings, supply shortages, starvation, and disease. The 6 gorillion figure has already been debunked several times. When you consider that the entire German cities were firebombed by the allies, can you really blame them?

If Hitler really wanted to exterminate all the Jews why would he have signed the Havaara agreement before the Second World War and helped hundreds of thousands of Jews evacuate to Israel? It doesn’t make sense.

But the real question is why does it matter even if they did try to exterminate the Jews? The NWO is basically a giant open air concentration camp on a continental scale. Surveillance cameras, terrible standards of living, mark of the beast, your entire life controlled by a central authority (the antichrist) until you are eventually lethally injected by the authorities and your organs harvested.

Everything the Jews accused the Nazis of is pure projection. All the Germans wanted was a white ethnostate free from Jewish subversion, theft, and degeneracy. That’s it. That’s all they wanted.

Ayyo

Hol up

Hol up

You finna tell me?

You finna tell me a cop can't subdue a single felon by himself but whitey dun enslaved millions of my people?

Yeah nahh way I believing that shit yo

Because you're either making a caricature out of Jews or you're insisting on coordination of supreme magnitude.

>DURRRRR YOURE SAYING THIS 3 YEAR OLD COULDNT STEAL COOKIES FROM THE COOKIE JAR, BUT THAT JOHN F KENNEDY WAS SHOT?

REALLY?

>Because you're either making a caricature out of Jews or you're insisting on coordination of supreme magnitude.

Jews lie. Each makes up their own lie. It's not complicated.

Here you go Sup Forums

It also works because of people's desire to feel important. Your grand pappy's concentration camp liberation yarns are probably all bullshit.

Let me guess, you think 9/11 was planned by Osama Bin Ladin from a cave in afghanistan and carried out by 11 bearded men with box cutters

1.3 million people were sent to Auschwitz?

How do we know that exactly?

I assume there's a list of all their names and date of transport.

Have you ever actually talked to Jews, or been involved in Jewish communities? I worked in a private Jewish school and ate lunch with a rabbi there for years. My best friend is half Jewish too. They are not cartoon characters like you're saying they are.

> coordination
It wouldn't, because they never got their stories straight. They just shouted down and legally disallowed any questioning of any stories they tell.
> then how do they 'conspire'?
It's rabbis instructing their followers. Do you also believe that priests never talk to their congregation? Do you believe Imams live in isolation from anyone who visits their mosques?

>Have you ever actually talked to Jews, or been involved in Jewish communities?

No, why would I do that?

Maybe to broaden your horizons you sheltered fuck. Hate ends with understanding and empathy

Just look at the 9/11 cover up and it’s easy to answer every single one of those questions.

Because Jews control the media, which means they can selectively publicise information that supports their conclusions and conceal information that doesn’t. It really is that simple.

>Maybe to broaden your horizons you sheltered fuck. Hate ends with understanding and empathy

Hang around with kikes? Never.

So your impression of Jews doesn't have its origins in outlandish internet memes that portray millions of people like they're some kind of cartoon hivemind?

I've talked to more than enough jews, thank you. They can work on their victim complexes, arrogance, and need for double standards anytime mow.

>Its not like it took much faking.

Lol, they literally had to hide millions Jews somewhere. This is what Sup Forums actually believes.

There weren't enough jews in europe to support the 6m number to begin with newfag.

>So your impression of Jews doesn't have its origins in outlandish internet memes that portray millions of people like they're some kind of cartoon hivemind?

I've done a lot of research on the Holocaust this year and I'm satisfied it's a made up story.

Yes there were showers and Zyklon B fumigation chambers at the camps. This was to stop the lice ridden kikes from dying of typhus.

It only takes one to spread misinformation.

>Bill Clinton is an example of competence
Nigger please.

And I suppose that you have the census data to support that claim?

>And I suppose that you have the census data to support that claim?

Do you?

There has never in history been a Europe wide official census of Jews

Oh, please tell me of the empathy which the Jews have toward the goyim!

Check red cross et al in their tallies. For that matter, check the initial claims of supposed death which rapidly got inflated over the years. The original creator of it even insisted that he rounded the number up.

If I remember correctly, there were more along the lines of 3.6m in europe proper. The rest of the claim was likely in western soviet countries, where there were more jews present due to favorable conditions for them.

This thread is about people who think the holocaust was faked, and there are evidently a lot of them. I'm not interested in what you think about ethnostates.

It's fine if you think it's a made up story, you still need to believe some retarded shit about how Jews are cartoon characters in order to justify it.

Overall the
> are you saying xyz amount of people CONSPIRED
argument is retarded. You can turn that around just as well.
> Are you saying over 10 million nazis CONSPIRED to mass execute Jews and to cover it up through NDAs? That's crazy. That sounds like a conspiracy theory.

>Do you?

Yep.

>There has never in history been a Europe wide official census of Jews

There were national censuses. And the Nazis had their own data, of course.

They have plenty of empathy. Doesn't mean that they put goyim on the same level as them though, since they're the Chosen after all.

Gentiles are viewed as animals at best, so you'd have to see how they treated their animals to get an idea of how they'd treat the average goy.

>It's fine if you think it's a made up story, you still need to believe some retarded shit about how Jews are cartoon characters in order to justify it.

Jews lie. I'm quite comfortable saying that.

Their Holocaust stories are bullshit.

>There were national censuses. And the Nazis had their own data, of course.

No national census figures are quoted by Holocaust believers though. Just a pretend 'census' written by Jews.

“Life begins at the end of your comfort zone” Look, I can repeat tired cliches too!

Read a fucking book for once, Jesus Christ. Jews have been a taint on western civilisation for 2000 years. They’ve been forcefully evicted from countries 109 times dating back to AD 250. Why? Because they always and invariably act as a state within a state, exploit the host population, and invoke violent backlashes. It’s an evolutionary strategy called brood parasitism. If it exists within the animal kingdom why is it so hard to believe it exists within human populations? Might this explain why the porn industry, universities financial industry, politics, and the corporate media are all heavily controlled by Jews? And why ever since the 1950s when they took over the establishment America has gone to shit? Hmm... really makes you think.

(I know you won’t) but read Kevin Macdonalds book culture of critique and how about reading Alfred Rosenburgs the Track of the Jew Through the Ages. The road less travelled really is less travelled for a reason.

Jew lies>Arkansas white trash

Okay you're going to have to reduce this to ones that don't rule out warcrimes altogether, and then we can start.

2. Weren't allowed to enter evidence in their defence
3. Their co workers were hanged.
4. They have their own agenda, though they don't make nearly as much money as the German settlement offers.
5. Free money built on a shaky case with very little documentation.
6. What did it mean in each individual case, even with non jews, who the fuck knows?
7. probably lice control, maybe the hair was contaminated after it was removed? There are many innocuous sources hydrogen cyanide.
8. That's so ambiguous it could mean anything.
9. Because the allies routinely bombed supply lines. Soldiers and citizens get to eat first, prisoners last.
10.) who the fuck knows, it could be that these people were re-purposed from building crematoriums to metal smelters for weapons manufacturing and this is an in-joke about their laughable attempts to disguise weapons production
11) The Russians or the winter got them, many of these people are probably just made up
12)because Jews were declared an enemy of the state and it was wartime. They wanted the jews to turn them selves in and be charged, imprisoned or deported rather than be able to sustain themselves and act as a fifth column
13) why weren't these doors actually found anywhere? maybe auchwitz was built on a swamp or methane deposit and the construction required taking natural h2s or methane gas leaks into consideration
14)There are incomplete records everywhere, this is compounded by the reds admitting to inflating numbers, and the us destroying documents in bombings as well as germans destroying records (intelligence) as they fled

So you're arguing that the National census data does not support the conclusion that there were at least 6 million Jews in Europe? Do you have any evidence to support that claim?

Don't forget that there was a financial motive to inflating the numbers.

I was treated very well by the Jews when I worked with them. In fact, because of how meek they are the Jews treated me the best out of anyone in my working life.

You're saying "Jews lie" to make it sound more reasonable. It's like saying "black people commit crime"--no shit they do. What you actually believe is that there is a race wide conspiracy among Jews to lie to the goyim because they are all filthy liars. You think they're cartoon characters. This is what you actually believe.

That's a bullshit answer. There is overwhelming evidence for the holocaust which comes from multiple sources and multiple countries involving millions of people. On the other hand the only evidence you have that it's all fake is by staying that its all being fabricated by the"jewish media". So essentially your statement boils down to "it's fake cuz it's fake". Nice circular logic dickhead.

3 million Jews in Ukraine? 2.25 million in eastern Poland? In the 1940s?

Not believable, sorry

Not fake.

The numbers were inflated 6x and the execution method was primarily by firing squad into mass graves.

Gas chambers were not used for execution. Zyklon B was for delousing clothing, etc.

I trust the conclusions of David Irving. All I care about is historical accuracy, let the chips fall where they may.

>So you're arguing that the National census data does not support the conclusion that there were at least 6 million Jews in Europe?

What national census data? You havent shown any

Do you have any census data to prove your point? What you believe is irrelevant.

Two things:

>there could be many reasons one thing is leaked but the other isn't
>it isn't a massive conspiracy involving the Holocaust, it's a case of re-written history that happens all the time by the victors and requires no ongoing alteration

You were treated well? Good for you. I wasn't from the ones I've had the misfortune of dealing with. From being weeks late in fixing a bike, holding it for ransom until it was paid off and not even fixing it properly, to raising the estimate of it as one example.

That's only at an individual level anyways. At a collective level, they've been given the boot many times throughout history for their shenanigans.

>Do you have any census data to prove your point? What you believe is irrelevant.

Do you? If so, show it.

You stupid cunt that was my point. Holocaust “denial” doesn’t mean you have to believe that no Jews were killed during the war, it just means you disagree with the established narrative. Even historian David Irving, the biggest so called holocaust “denier”, agrees that Jews were exterminated, just not on the scale put forward by the mainstream media. Take your thumb out of your ass and listen to what the other side is saying you sheltered fuck

Argument from personal incredulity

Nazifags just say it was fake because they want people to join their movement and make hitler look like a good boy who dindu nuffin
>B-BUT IT WAS 4 MILLION INSTEAD OF 6 MILLION THAT MEANS IT WASNT A TERRIBLE ATROCIOUS GENOCIDE
kys

>What you actually believe is that there is a race wide conspiracy among Jews to lie to the goyim because they are all filthy liars

Jews love money and being victims so they lie. It also helped them found Israel.

Also, it wasn't because they were jews, but commies. Most of those mass graves were from the slavs getting some revenge in from having to fight them a generation ago. Go figure.

>4 MILLION
Sauce?

>Also, it wasn't because they were jews, but commies

I believe this to be true. I dont actually think anyone was sent to a camp just for being Jewish alone.

They needed the 6m specifically to have political legitimacy to found it with their own people. That's why the funny number. Also why they were pushing it since the turn of the century.

Lol, It's just so convenient, isn't it. You make a claim and then you're not even willing to investigate it. That's holocaust "revisionism" for you.

Okay. I'll find some census data.

>Argument from personal incredulity

Where exactly did these 2.25 million Jews in one part of Poland live?

People forget about things like the weimar republic, and the little war that caused it...there is very good reason jews were not held in high regard in germany in the early 20th century.

In this case, I think "revisionist" is more accurate than "denier", though both are pejorative terms. David Irving is a meticulous truth seeker. He is not denying or revising. He is merely reporting history as it happened.

>Okay. I'll find some census data

National data, not made up Jew data

Oh, and I already pointed out the Red Cross newfag for deaths. Quite a bit less than the 6m proclaimed.

It's not strictly a worldwide jewish conspiracy. They are, in terms of the holocaust, nothing more than opportunists.
The soviets (a lot of jews) decided to nail the Germans to the fucking wall after their capitulation in WW2. The holocaust was a part of that.
Accusations lacking evidence, fantastical eye witness testimonies (many proven false), confessions obtained under brutal torture (think what you'd admit to in order to avoid having your testicles crushed)... This is how the lie was started.
Jews on the whole just jumped on the bandwagon because they obviously saw the profit in it. Worldwide sympathy can go a long way and excuse your behaviour for a lot of misdeeds.
The holocaust is a thin sliver of truth made massive by a malicious revenge campaign against Nazi Germany and propped up by millions who gain from it's propagation, whether they do so willingly or not.

The fact that any open discussion or investigation of the 'evidence' is strictly verboten is such blatant bullshit. The fact that it's taught all over the world to kids as 'THE GENOCIDE TO END ALL GENOCIDES' when there have been historical genocides left right and center is blatant bullshit.

You're framing this wrong... Like it's some perfectly orchestrated conspiracy with all kinds of agents and machinations. It's not. It's organic, like a tree, it started from a rotten little seed and grew and grew into this great monstrous lie because those that would challenge it were silenced by those that stood to gain from it.

You probably think black people all eat chicken and watermelon too, no exceptions because it's in their DNA or some shit. Dumb fuck.

You didn't post anything.

>3 million Jews in Ukraine? 2.25 million in eastern Poland? In the 1940s?

Totally believable to be honest.

>The soviets (a lot of jews) decided to nail the Germans to the fucking wall after their capitulation in WW2. The holocaust was a part of that.

That's right, and they started the Holocaust propaganda before the war ended to motivate troops etc

WW1 newfag. From the bolsheviks invading their end then, to their presumable allies selling themselves to their jewish friends in other countries. It's what made the treaty so ridiculous.

They've been opportunists for awhile.

I did, if you'd bother to pay attention. Red cross tallies numbered in the hundreds of thousands rather than millions, also by different death causes to boot. Look it up sometime. Might be illuminating.

>You probably think black people all eat chicken and watermelon too, no exceptions because it's in their DNA or some shit. Dumb fuck.

I'm black and I like chicken and watermelon.

15)Seems awfully casual about that. Was probably joking with her about the soviet propaganda which was rife in the east even before the soviets entered the war
16) How plausible is it that people paid to have a victim story will come up with one and fake evidence to support it? Why do they have to all be government agents? There are many thousand cherry picked incomplete documents and several instances of debunked forgeries - why is this?
17) Well they probably were outright killing them by that point in the war as deporting them was made logistically impossible by the allies 4 years in to WW2
18)Those translations could be inaccurate, much like Achmedenjad saying "Israel should be wiped off the map". Yes, Hitler hated jews, this is true, him orchestrating a mass genocide outside of a late-stage losing war scenario is improbable
19) A bunch, not millions. Nazis were not nice people. This does not mean 6 million Jews.
20) Pogroms were a thing in Europe for centuries, WW2 didn't stop them - that mass grave could very well be an old one
21)They were probably building weapons in violation of one treaty or another

I'm not saying these are the answers, but the holocaust narrative is one that is clearly stitched together, and these questions are by no means silver bullets to the revisionists' cases.

Proof of what? Gas chambers? I’ve been searching for proof for years.

All black people eat chicken and watermelon all day CONFIRMED then.

Bless you for not trying to hide who you are, brother.

Of course Hitler wanted to ethnically cleanse the Jews, but he just wanted to send them to Russia.

That was the Final Solution.

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