Alternate reality: How much better would the world be like today if the Central Powers won?

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Bulgaria was based in both World wars.
Always picked the right side, always lost.

tell me about it

>always lost.

>lose two world wars

based

I honestly hate playing the What-If history game. I always end up at Gettysburg screaming at Lee to go hard on day 1 and take the high ground. Then snap back to this nightmare dystopian reality we live in.

Bulgaria was traitor-pidor in both World wars.

we lost both and ended up victorious somehow

We won both and ended up as communist shithole, fight me

well, you can't lost with communism if you was a such a big shithole that communism was improvment

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>no food
>all factories demolished and moved to ussr
>empty shops
>alcoholism
Yeah, improvement my ass

I think that the Ottomans would have broken apart either way. So would Austria Hungary. The only reason the central powers lost was because Germany always picks the worst allies.

you can thank us for that

There is a logical problem with counterfactuals like this. Future possibilities can be described as branching off (infinitely perhaps) from the present. To define 'the central powers won', you would presumably pick a random point in, say, 1918, fill in all the blanks up until that point (with the the central powers winning). But then there are possibly infinite, and certainly very many possible future paths branching from that past counterfactual point... And yet these questions are framed as if JUST ONE possible path is somehow logically entailed by a given "scenario"... Bit that makes no sense!

If determinism were true, then if you had all the facts of the world at 't = central powers counterfactual victory' (cpcv), then all the answers to "what if...?" are already entailed in what you know. And if you don't know those facts, there is nothing in this sort of discussion that could reveal them. Therefore, these counterfactual discussions are effectively meaningless.

All to can say about cpcv is that countless possibilities would have branched off from such a point.

If you believe in some sort of destiny or something, that's a whole nother thing. But it would also render this sort of discussion meaningless.

>I think that the Ottomans would have broken apart either way. So would Austria Hungary.
Not without them being defeated in war, their armies would be too powerful for rebellions to succeed.
>The only reason the central powers lost was because Germany always picks the worst allies.
There wasn't much choice, A-H was already a Germany ally; Russia wanted influence in the Balkans, Britain wanted Germany to be less powerful and France was out for revenge either way.
Didn't help either that Italy did the Italian thing and that the US chose the Entente...

The world would be 100% better.

>France
>UK
>existing in a German victory

germany still existed in an entente victory and this would be a peace on german terms rather than a crushing victory

>Turkey remains a dominant power
>Europe is Muslim rapebabies anyway
wew

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would the colonies not swich hands?

You read too much Anglo propaganda

only in first one, and that is maybe. Unification with you wasn't neccesery

Austria-Hungary falling apart either way is the biggest lie in history.
The country had a really strong economy and most people were satisfied with the empire. The empire only fell apart because the war effort pretty much destroyed the army and people got tired from the poverty caused by the war.
Do you honestly think some Czech or romanian illiterate peasants could've destroyed the empire form the inside with their chimping out?

>germany still existed in an entente victory
big mistake

no, the second one too. without us the partisan movement would fail miserably
for the first one, well, the london treaty was apparently a big deal to you

>Knows that the Nazis allied with and helped Arab Muslims during WW2
What if we know the British did the same during WW1?

Certainly not all.
Germany would demand some colonies from France, but that would be it. They wouldn't be able to enforce any concessions from the UK anyway, since everything Germany could do against the UK was extinguish the expeditionary force. The Royal Navy would not disappear magically.

partisan movement failed miserably in serbia. Croats were mayority in partisans from 1942 to 1944

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Probably Hitler and nazi party would have never came to power and the german empire survived
Austria Hungary would have collapsed anyway and Ottoman empire too
Italy would have resulted even more poor and fascism would have existed anyway
Depending on wether it was spread on france or other countries, and assuming the soviet union would have would ww2 have been:
Italy, France(maybe), Britain, Soviet Union
vs Germany + what's left of AH empire and spain since franco would've veen defeated with soviet union backing the rebels
I would assume US was neutral in ww1 or i don't see how the central powers could have won
alsobsomeone redpill me on this
why was the central powers the good side besides muh empires?

wrong, croatian serbs were majority in partisan movement. croats started massively to go from ustashe to partisans in 1943 after it was obvious their side would lost. and all of them got accepted

To fight Turkish muslims dicking around Christians we allied with some desert nomads who lived in places where Christians weren't and so couldn't dick them around.

>another brainlet, here we go again
- Germans =/= Germanics
- Franks didn't rule over all of Europe, and it was Christian, not Frankish law to not allow usury for Christians
- Germany wasn't the only responsible for WW1. Russia mobilized when Austria had the conflict with Serbia. Despite Germany's warnings, Russia didn't halt the mobilization. Then Germany took the initiative.
- The German Empire had democratic elements, and in 1848/49 Germany was a democracy. Also it's funny to hear this from a Russian, you weren't a democracy until 1990 (implying)

Monarchies would probably be as dominant as democracies are today, which would be great.

also both chetniks and partisans failed in serbia

>The Royal Navy would not disappear magically.
i was going to mention this

German world domination doesn't sound so bad. Communism would've never emerged as a force and US imperialism along with jewish degeneracy would be contained in the new world. Pretty good all around.

yes, many croatian serbs were in partisans, but still, croats were most represented, and mayority after italian capitulation when dalmatia was mobilized

Democracy is cancer. The central powers fought against it. That's reason enough.

That map is peak autism. Did Anglos unironically believe that?

they can't be the most represented when they were a minority until the end of war. if no serbs would have decided to participate in that movement, it would not succeed like it didn't in serbia. so you practically got saved by serbs. again

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i wonder if the war went better from the start would italy respect its alliance with the central powers
would we respect the secret treaty we made with them maybe remain neutral

>Did Anglos unironically believe that?
No, but it's what they used to fool their people with
kek

Partisan forces saving anything is a meme. You simply filled the power vacuum left in yugoslavia and the big powers needed a buffer zone. Once that wasn't needed they divided the meme socialist country in tiny parts and devoured it into their european jewish prison.

>nazi education
It was Germans who funded 1917 revolution
most likely if central powers won Soviet Union would be even stronger because there would be no Treaty of Versailles, which leads to no Hitler as politician and no WW2

that's also true. we serbs are naive people, always dying for some ideology whether it's damaging for us or not

I will fully admit that Germany is the cause of all the worlds problems but I only support them for pic related.

You guys are forgetting the rise of the USSR was because of ww1

Germany brought Lenin to Russia because there was a thing called "war" with the Tsar, you know. As soon as the Tsar wasn't at war with Germany anymore, Germany fought against the Bolsheviks:
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Because the Entente prevented Germany from handling the mess in Russia.

Classic

the only thing we're good at is dying with a positive score

sad but true

We should have never broken alliance with Russia. I now that WW1 (at least in that setting) would not even happened in that case but the German industrial capabilities and Russia manpower + resources would have made us invincible. The Tsar and the Kaiser were fucking cousins ... *sigh* ... Bismarck was right Germany needed allies on most flanks to be not surrounded.

pretty good

Communism didn't improve shit you retard.

The pact we made before the war stated that we would have never joined if russia was involved
And we joined the war because bongs offered us more territories in mainland europe instead of some french colonial territories like the empires did
So, at best we would have remained neutral i higly doubt we would have entered anyway
Maybe if france was defeated really fast we would have joined against bongs in north africa

Turks and Germans wouldnt have allowed today's degenerate mutt Europe

Actually, with the British ships tendency to explode the German navy of WWI may have been stronger than the British navy. See losses at Jutland for details

Kecken

Yeah, no. At Jutland the German fleet inflicted more casualties than it took, but it still couldn't break the British blockade. Also there were other naval engagements in WW1 between the RN and High Seas Fleet where the K/D ratio was positive for the British.
The Royal Navy was simply too large for the German Navy to defeat.

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>remained neutral
Doubt it: the Italians demanded Dalmatia, South Tyrol and Trieste for their continued neutrality - while the bongs and frogs straight up offered that and more. Italy on the CP-side was never guaranteed and always favoured France over Austria for obvious reasons. Hell, the only reason they joined the CP over the Entente was because they were miffed over French annexation of Tunisia.

We could've lived in a world where Ottomans rule MENA and arm*nians ceased to exist.

Just what the world needs
More moshpit gay orgies in oilbaths from Turks who can't stop fucking the locals and converting massive swaths of ancient soil into proto-Mexicans.

t. 56% mexican mutt

>lose all of bosnia, srijem, boka kotorska forever
>win
pick one

Better than being 0% Greek/Turk
Check your own flag, Pablo.

Kaiser Bill was a man faggot with a withered arm. Blamed the english doctor who Queen Vic assigned for his birth. Spurred on Bismark of course to start a stupid war.

t. mutt

>We live in a nightmare dystopia but wouldn't if the South had won
I don't really know how to quantify how fucking stupid that is.

you were never bigger in your whole history of existence. and bosnia was never yours, faggot. like istria and baranja which you got for free, eveb with cleansed italians from those areas where they have lived ever since. you really are the eternal jews of the balkans

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also srem was never in history majority croatian, same like boka kotorska

I read the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. It didn't convince me that Germany had modest territorial goals.

It rolls downhill. But even without what ifs on what ifs, the civil war fundamentally destroyed core American values.

The self determination that caused the revolution was stripped; the union ceased to be voluntary.

The idea of limited government fell away under the necessities of war.

The south lost it's voice in a very real way as a generation lost their rights and Republicans stacked their elections.

>No, but it's what they used to fool their people with

>lose all of bosnia, srijem, boka kotorska forever
LMAO the absolute state of crmongol illusions

nigger there was Hungary, Prussia, Germany, Austria and the empire of Austro Hungary but never the state of Croatia, you can't loose something that you didn't posess in the first place

what the fuck are those pedocardinals teaching you at comunes?

>HappyKaiser.jpg

A Habsburg commonwealth would be a very realistic alternate scenario for Austria-Hungary. All nationalities in it would eventually get their own countries, but would remain as dominions of Austria and share the same monarch.

>Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth—right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail.

The war was lost by Gettysburg. Realistically it was lost when the south couldn't win in the first 6-12 months. You cannot fight your way out of massive population and industrial capacity anymore.
If the south had won, it would be a shithole today. The 19th and 20th centuries were not kind to agricultural societies. It's just a question of whether they'd be a banana republic to the north or some other heavily industrialized country.

What's the line on the bottom of OPs pic say in English?

>Encourage communism and jihad to desabilise their rivals
>Better
Yeah right.

>Implying the south isn't a shithole

>fake vatican (((history))), literally a pet on the shoulder to give you a postive morale and a bost to already low self esteem (cough konjsari, cough)

the places in Yugoslavi were rebellion started are the ones that were mostly populated with Serbians
once again you have failed

The war never should have happened and European powers should've banned together against the Turks and their bastard children.

Germany wouldn't have dominated the world. They just wanted a chunk of France and a few colonies. And if Britain hadn't got involved for no reason, and to its own detriment, they would have got it.

>allying with people based on feels and not the will to do what's right
nothing personal famalan
thank you for liberating us from the roach hentai fest anyhow even though it would've never happen if you weren't at war with them :^)

oh and let's not forget how you raped us with communism so we wouldn't ever leave our "liberators" so easily

>Bulgaria was based
Yeah, no.

Shut up hohol
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