I do not understand Sup Forums's hatred for degeneracy

I think that railing against "degeneracy" is feckless and actually making things worse. Consider a couple of points:

>pretty much all the countries with a high standard of living (north america, western europe, australia, japan) allow the most degeneracy; meanwhile, all the countries with low standards of living tend to ruthlessly disallow any degenerate behavior
>one of the reasons why islamic society is so shitty in general, along with a lot of the shitholes in asia, is because of how much the government is involved in people's social lives and how they don't allow anything like women driving, gay sex, drugs, porn, or internet
>one of the hallmarks of western civilization is individual freedom and allowing people to do mostly anything. We have understood, before any other society, that we do not have to live collectively and this reflects in our tolerance of social issues

In fact I would argue one of the distinguishing traits of western society is allowing as much freedom as possible, which is something most other cultures simply cannot comprehend. Railing against degeneracy does not really benefit white nationalists because the freedom to BE degenerate is one of western civ's greatest achievements. Can you imagine how appealing and how far spreading a nationalist party would be if they also supported high social freedoms (drugs, porn, no censorship, free art, etc)?

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Sup Forumss dislike of degeneracy is mainly a jealousy/misery loves company thing. Many people are having a lot of fun these days, with weed, easy sex, lives where we don't have to commit to much, but Sup Forums types are left out of all this and dwell in the basement, as socially awkward misfits. They see others enjoying the pleasurable life of so-called 'degeneracy' and denounce it because they can't have it or are afraid of it.

america was so great because while you were free to be a dicksucking fag, people were also free to judge and shun you for it

you cant have law mandated acceptance of degeneracy while preaching freedom

We've been there, history repeats itself. Weimar 2.0

All those other countries you mention that have it so bad are non-white. It is the main difference.

Replace the term "strong" with 'fit' per the Darwinian definition, and I'd say that picture's pretty accurate.

its nannystate tier thinking. If it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights it should be legal.

Sup Forumstards don't understand that if they were to achieve power, giving luxuries(some degeneracy) to the majority of the populace would keep them in line much more easily. Humans like having things that go beyond what they need to survive. But serious discussion dies pretty quickly here unless you get a good thread going, so it's best to meme and move on.

Countries who are anti degeneracy are usually Islamic, so its a 2 way street.

Did my my thread ony /adv inspire you for this ?

the mutt is right, BUT

>In fact I would argue one of the distinguishing traits of western society is allowing as much freedom as possible

and people (mostly niggers, muzzies, spics, degenerates, democrats) use exactly this freedom to abolish freedom. Any system that allows such great amounts of freedom such as the western states, will destroy itself.

BASED user, your thoughts are proper class lad. Well said.

fucking modern age civilization is trash. the people are trash

>taking pol seriously
>not understanding 99.9% is shitposting

This whole strawman makes zero sense. I can safely say that it's easier to be a degenerate than not, it's hard to not be a degenerate.
I used to be a massive loser who would use alcohol because drinking alcohol was the only way I could loosen up and socialize with people, getting drunk and meeting random people was the only way for me to feel like I am a ''normal'' human, and my only way of making friends and getting laid.

The strawman makes no fucking sense. Anyone on Sup Forums right now could go to a store, buy a bottle of whisky and experience the normie lifestyle, even if they're fat, even if they're ugly, even if they have no social skills. That's why alcohol and drugs are so popular.

The problem isn't railing against degeneracy, it's the fact that the next step isn't being taken: which is the removal of people wanting to spread it as a legitimate act of self defence.

There's a difference between ''giving luxuries to the majority'' and frowning upon degeneracy.
Alcohol for one is extremely degenerate and people should be shamed for using it, but no one on Sup Forums is advocating for alcohol to be banned.

High standards lead to degeneracy, not the other way around.

>unironically defending degeneracy

Flag checks out

pretty much

Fine, I bite.

Here are some situations were I like people who behave mannered better than degenerate.

A. It is midnight and i have a workday the next day and my degnerate neighbor plays heavy degenerate bum bum music. Would be nicer if he were non degenerate.

B. One of my ex gf was degnerate. If she had better manners and some self control, our relationship would have been better.

C. Degenerates dislike rules, so want open borders and no deportations. This makes our society more criminal and my taxes higher, meaning I am poorer and cannot walk into non go zones.

D. Prostitution is embraced by degenerates as well as post modernist architecture. I am not happy walking through the train station district with some beautiful old buildings, but hookers, sex shops and drug criminals roam around there. Some just openly piss on corners, which produces a strong, gastly odor.

etc.

For me, manners and a sense of propriety is better than unfetter degeneracy.

Compare 1950's america to 2017 america....

That's what we're talking about. We're in a period of decay now.

In case you hadn't guessed OP Sup Forums is majority fascist and authoritarian. That's why we have so many cucks and bootlickers here

A. Ask your neighbour to turn down their music late at night, don't be a spastic

B. Women aren't property and will do what they like, find someone who understands and values the things you value

C. Almost everyone like open borders because you get a high supply of cheap labour from shitty countries. Western civilisation has been built on the shoulders of brown people doing our low level labour jobs

D. Nothing wrong with legal prostitution, more money being taxed and put back into the economy instead of going to criminals and pimps

You're actually implying that degeneracy creates prosperity. You need to know that this means you're probably a moron.

Oh, another one. No, I find it disgusting and know that I'm better than those people. Ever consider that we're just honest and there's no hidden meaning because we're not complete idiots or confused shitheads like others?

Way to ignore that all of this was deliberately caused by Jews. It's not a normal cycle at all. 100% fabricated. Could easily be reversed if Jews were killed right now. Hitler proved that you can take the most degenerate Jew-infested shithole and immediately make it the envy of the world.

Much thanks, user!

>A. Ask your neighbour to turn down their music late at night, don't be a spastic
I did. He is an asshole who just moved in 14 days ago. He smashed the door in front of my face. He still kept the music on for 10 min just to spite me. I told him next time it will be the police knocking and I’ll sue his ass. This is going to escalate, he is a “nu German”, my guess is second gen Afghan or some other asshole.


>B. Women aren't property and will do what they like, find someone who understands and values the things you value
I do. She won’t. We split up 4yrs ago and she is still degnerate. She tries to ger in contact every year because the degenerates she hooks up with use her. I ignore her, if she wasn’t a degenerate she would be happier.

>C. Almost everyone like open borders because you get a high supply of cheap labour from shitty countries. Western civilisation has been built on the shoulders of brown people doing our low level labour jobs
Degnerate argument. Every sane economist and manager wants educated and well motivated immigrants. No one, as in no one, wants drug dealers, illiterates and Islamists who clock up the welfare systems... no one except “no rules” degenerates.

>D. Nothing wrong with legal prostitution, more money being taxed and put back into the economy instead of going to criminals and pimps
Well, I told you what is wrong. Prostitution attracts pimps, drug dealers, degenerates who piss on walls in an open street, criminals etc. So yes, prostitution is wrong especially “free roaming liberal degenerate” prostitution.

pic related is post modernist socialist degeneracy. This is why our society will fail and some people don’t even see it. A society without manners, rules or properity fails... we have seen this again and again and again over 1000s of years. There has never been a degenerate society that survived.

That's true. But people have vices, and while they should be frowned on, ultimately it's probably better to allow people to indulge them in small quantities to relieve the urge to do so as long as their vices don't hurt others(or ideally don't hurt themselves).

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I think if you tighten up your personal definition of degenerate then you are in line with most people.

Degenerate behavior is something that turns your great civilization into a shithole, so wanting social freedoms, drugs, porn, no censorship, free art, etc is fine until you allow so much that it fucks with everyone trying to be civil, or takes away from the greatness of your world.

I hate the idea of Islam taking over countries because I love short shorts, drinking booze, having puppy dogs and eating bacon. But these things I love could all be considered degenerate by some people, fuck those people.

But it does infringe on us, user. Have you not noticed that the family unit is destroyed? Women are out of control, children are spoiled and weak minded. Preteen boys are getting hormone therapy to larp as girls. This is all because of unchecked freedom. You think it doesn't affect you but it does, user.

>You're actually implying that degeneracy creates prosperity. You need to know that this means you're probably a moron.
Is right, you're an idiot. Jews have created this degeneracy not capitalism or western society

>Making fun of someones flag
>Hides behind meme flag

You're worse than a nigger

That's because Sup Forums is retarded and doesnt understand that prosperity is quite literally the engine behind degeneracy.

Implying drugs, easy sex, instability, and lack of commitment make a good basis for a healthy society and provide a sense of purpose to an individual's life. That's a lifestyle that is almost guaranteed to create unhappy self-absorbed individuals. It's all fun and games when you're 18, but you'll have to pay the bill later.

Western culture and society has been in decline ever since degeneracy became mainstream, you complete imbecile.
We're surviving on the remnants of less degenerate times, and because we're more intelligent and less violent than people in the Middle East and Africa.

Also, the idea that muslim countries are somehow less degenerate than ours is insane. Despite their religious laws, Islamic countries are far more degenerate than ours, with rape, abuse, incest, pedophilia, zoophilia, violence and non-alcoholic drugs being part of mainstream society. They're basically living in the middle ages.

>Alcohol for one is extremely degenerate
You autists need to leave Sup Forums. Alcohol has been part of European history since its inception.

Retard. All these degenerate traits&customs in the islamic world like the afghan teaboys were developed during their peak period. Success enables degeneracy. What little degeneracy you see left in their countries are leftovers from the good days, not the other way around.

>because degeneracy is happening in wealthy countries for the time being that must make it a good thing

dear god you're stupid

Only to provide a clean method of water consumption.

Fuck off, Muhammed. Islamic countries are the most degenerate socities on the planet.

BASED Aldous Huxley
>Brave New World when?

And look at you now

as a countryside native in tropics, it seems that we need to save our traditional culture from progressive degeneracy, asia wants to save it.

Not an argument, you fucking brainlet. Read up a little on the abassid, ottoman and safavid/qajar of iran. They were massive degenerate enablers and most of it was possible because the islamic world was still riding high from controlling access to the silk trade routes during those periods.

>Consider a couple of points:
doing so will lower your IQ, be warned

Freedom certainly improved the standard of living of these countries you mentioned, but degeneracy had nothing to do with their success.

We could argue that they got where they are DESPITE degeneracy but not because.

We are worried about it because it's affecting society in many ways. Moral values are going down the drain, women are becoming single mothers more often and going into poverty, etc.

Someone tried to tell me that 1984 was the future we narrowly avoided, and brave new world was more likely what's happening as instead of through force it's through lazyness and entertainment.

But the description of the birth control belt for some reason made me diamonds. I'd hate to knock up the wrong woman, worse than dying childless.

Brave new world now.
Was talking to some of my old school friends yesterday at the pub.
One guy I always used to look up to as my intellectual rival at school (we were both top of the class) is now just a drugged up idiot.
All he could talk about was drugs and sex all night.
Made me miss the days when we would actually have decent conversation with one another, an absolute fucking shame.
But I digress, everyone belongs to everyone, a gram is better than a damn.

>In fact I would argue one of the distinguishing traits of western society is allowing as much freedom as possible
You're an idiot. You have know idea of the history of the US. Thomas jefferson once proposed a law promoting castration of gays.
>In 1779, Thomas Jefferson wrote a law in Virginia which contained a punishment of castration for men who engage in sodomy. Jefferson intended this to be a liberalization of the sodomy laws in Virginia at that time, which prescribed death as the maximum penalty for the crime of sodomy.
>Prior to 1962, sodomy was a felony in every state, punished by a lengthy term of imprisonment or death
The US at no time in history, or even before it was called the US, was ever based on freedom with regard to degeneracy. Whatever is happening now, and whatever you want to call it, it is the only secular, or at least not explicitly tied to a one particular religion, movement that has at least some kind of reasonable coherent morality. It's actually an amazing thing to observe.

Both books should be read all Sup Forums lads.
Agreed; There is a brilliant letter between Huxley and Orwell.

I don't think either would have predicted the internet or turbo-autism on here. It's the only thing we have. That and memes and anonymity. For now.

Remember that b.control belt is only for a certain class of people!

>high standard of living
Materialism is the most basic form of degeneracy and moral breakdown of any civilization.
>one of the reasons why islamic society is so shitty in general, along with a lot of the shitholes in asia, is because of how much the government is involved in people's social lives
Citation needed. Its shit because people are subhuman sandmonkeys with 7 century death cult.
>one of the hallmarks of western civilization is individual freedom
And people aren't free in a degenerate society. They're programmed from birth by corporations to be this way. They're the same soulless zombie mass that they would be under totalitarianism.

>Can you imagine how appealing and how far spreading a nationalist party would be if they also supported high social freedoms (drugs, porn, no censorship, free art, etc)?
If only everybody else had no honor, standards and principles eh? The only way to treat society is to burn out disease with a hot brand and without any mercy. Agreeing to coexist with a decay and decease is death.

Well put. Faggots have no reply.

Aye lad.
>One guy I always used to look up to as my intellectual rival at school (we were both top of the class) is now just a drugged up idiot.

Oh man the feels.
It's not wrong to talk about muh birds and muh fucking and muh drugs with mates etc.


But I bet you wanted to proper have a Sup Forums level comfy society/politics/philosophy discussiona and he greeted you in a Super Hans mode of lets get shitfaced. Personal probs? Heart break?

My mate who was my intellectual better has been brainwashed by the liberals. he was an anarchist at heart, introduced me to BASED writers of many views, but he's simply turned off his cynical brain and views everything in a SJW prism. He's come out as bi too. i'm trying to help him find his soul by speaking with him about his BASEDness. I suspect he knows much of what he supports (Muh trans etc) is bullshit but he's a stubborn fucker and knows thereis much mileage left in adopting these stances.

>But I digress, everyone belongs to everyone, a gram is better than a damn.

Absolutely BASED. (Source of this line?)

It's ok.
>tfw Sup Forums at it's best are like the BASED kids from the Demon Headmaster.
youtube.com/watch?v=aYsoZxpsPVc

Also. is he middle-class or "sorted" for finances (inheritence, buy-to-let investments etc)

I find the middle-classes have fucked shit up more so.

Read the following based blog post for a description of contemporary society in the light of Orwell and Huxley:

radishmag.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/orwell-vs-huxley/

One of the best pieces of Alt Right writing I've ever read. As is Radish Mag in general.

Subjective premise as fuck.
>hurdur I dont personally x therefore x is destroying the world

Let me guess. You're a subrural retard.

You're right user. Frustration is the name of the game for Sup Forums. They set themselves up for it the more they narrowly define what alt-right is. Only fuck white girls, sorry marry white girls, only skinny white girls, only blonde, must have confederate flag tramp stamp.

It's exhausting. I'd hate everyone too. If I was unlucky enough to land one of those I'd beat my kids daily, just because. Just in time for traditional bitch to divorce me and take all MY money!

It's enough to make one want to find high ground near a lot of people and see if the bump-stock really works.

Yeah I can handle a bit of bants but it was just non-stop.
A quiet guy that I never really talked to much at school seemed pretty clued in though so that was nice. It just feels like such a waste seeing someone as smart as my mate becoming a potato.
I ended up shouting him down when he started spewing left wing rhetoric about the EU after he overheard another conversation I was having. I just could't stand the intellectual dishonesty coming from someone with such obvious capability. He didn't even know who Donald Tusk, Jean-Claude junker or Antonio Tajani were yet he professed his unwavering allegiance to their cause.

I was an anarchist once and really woke up when I hit my twenties. Nothing wakes you up like paying taxes! Hopefully he will come back down to earth.

>Source of this line?
Both quotes mentioned in brave new world. Everyone belongs to everyone is a term they use as marriage and family are concepts that have been vilified to the point where they are taboo subjects. And gram better than a damn refers to a drug they use called Soma to help them forget about anything bad happening. A holiday drug as its called in the book.

You guessed it. The kind of guy you'd see shitting himself at Glastonbury.

> pretty much all the countries with a high standard of living (north america, western europe, australia, japan) allow the most degeneracy
Has the American worked it out yet?

> Hey what are you going to spend you future income on user?
> Degenerate shit that puts the money back in your hands
> Somebody cut this guy a welfare check!

Money and productive capacity is funneled into these activities instead of other things. You are going to be doing degenerate shit because that is where the money and activity is. You do not have the productive capacity to do something else.

America has many thrid world tier shitholes that just so happen to be filled with unbridled degeneracy.

Coon

Straight in the oven.

Curious how you went straight to "dick sucking". Me thinks thou dost protest too much.

it's all fun and dandy hearing about it from afar and let everybody just be themselves until you're faced with reality

>tfw you hear there is no such thing as class and the neo-liberal system is based on merit and the working classes are being btfo by SJW-full-stomached middle-classses

>It just feels like such a waste seeing someone as smart as my mate becoming a potato.
Literally most of my top tier class at primary school in a rough estate. Made me turn to the left. The old left, not this liberal shit. I want positions on merit not

>I ended up shouting him down when he started spewing left wing rhetoric about the EU after he overheard another conversation I was having. I just could't stand the intellectual dishonesty coming from someone with such obvious capability. He didn't even know who Donald Tusk, Jean-Claude junker or Antonio Tajani were yet he professed his unwavering allegiance to their cause.
Bet he won't listen to Yanis Varoufakis or the late Tony Benn either.

>Soma and that line
The state of me forgetting that. Absolutely true.
Sounds like a Richie Edwards line.

God speed lad,hope you find some piece and pass on your knowledge to the next generation like nieces and nephews etc.
youtube.com/watch?v=gd3C9aAupQI

All those societies are on the downward spiral, idiot

Also drugs and drinking heavily gets really old really fast. I was over clubbing after the second visit, and at 19 was already super bored of just getting wasted in some shit bar or pub. I haven't tried the harder drugs but I've done weed, shrooms, cocaine, mdma, ket and its all nothing special at all

It's much more fun to be totally in control

If you do not understand then you must lurk moar.

how to climb up the stairs is A step by A step
if you got a degenerated gun without knowing the how-to, you would kill someone/youself with the gun.

you mistake tolerance for acceptance.

We tolerate the existence of fag because hanging them is unecessary. On the other, honnesty needs you to recognize it's a degenerate behavior (for instance fags have x79 more chance to have aids than normal folks) which need to be treated as such.

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not being able to see the link between increasing degeneracy and decreasing standard of living

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the weimar was short lived and recognized as disgusting and therefore was stomped out quickly. the times we're living in today make the weimar look like a traditional family oriented society.

they came back from the weimar and did amazing things.

there will be no coming back from this.

The thing is, the West, especially the brits can drink a fuck ton and be degenerate on a night out. But the morning after we’ll get up and go to work and keep society going. Sure it’s same with countries like Germany, France etc. Other societies/races just be degenerates and want free stuff.

lol don't forget storing grain

Oy vey, don't let them know that sexual degeneracy like contraception, abortion, porn, and homosexuality is what allows us to flood them with immigrants and drive them to extinction!