Is the F-35 even a good paper weight?

Or could it put into museums?

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Never been defeated even once. Not even close. Way better than anything you fucking huns have ever made.

What's so bad about it? I don't follow these things.

It is the best plane that you can currently buy period.

The only people that know the full capability of the F-35 are the people that fly them and the people that maintain them. Anything else is hearsay.

Too much weight for an overstressed engine that tend to catch fire or break down, requiring too much maintenance.

Not critisizing american engineering here, just this one piece of hardware who seems to be very shitty.

No F-23 is sad. Soyboys badmouting the best plane in current production, that is actually cheaper than some of the other options, just shows that you shouldn't trust reporters.

What retarded article desu.
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its never been used in a real theater of war. when the french tried they crashed into the sea and didnt even make it to syria because america padded the gas millage on the specs by a fair margin

we had to pretend there was a fuel tank problem which nobody believes. canada is buying outdated hardware rather than out F35s

>A jet that hasn't needed to be used yet is useless
Fucking duh... I fucking hate you retards.

French can't fly a plane. Not a huge shocker.

Also it hasn't been used in a real war because nobody has the balls to fight us.

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yeah its the first place i go to for articles about military aviation

for some reason ZOG tends to destroy its own militaries to the point were they are unable to win wars against medium seized powers like Iran or NK.

I don't understand why america would go for a JSF when it has a military budget that allows for specialised aircraft.

At this point, better scrap for tech the F35 project, and start two or three specialised fighter/cas/naval based on it's design with maybe two engines?

eh? The engine is extremely resistant to abuse, and much more reliable than previous iterations.
source: works on F-35 engines

>French can't fly a plane. Not a huge shocker.

Being this retarded is an eyesore... Confirm american education is partly responsible for this mess.

We have a warplane industry far older than yours, and were the first to push the concept for fighting plane...

The engine is a technological marvel apparently, but it is overburdened according to analyst. Hence the repeated fire accident and engines problems that have leaked in the press.

We did it because our military contractors wanted to rip off the government and the world.

Please read your history. JSF was intended to be a multinational collaboration from the start. It was not a unilateral US project. It was produced for many countries to use, one exception being France. I understand that this left you with outdated, and unsophisticated aircraft but it's far too late to cry about it at this point.

FUck you you and Germany made us buy 25 of that bullshit planes.

With the relative youth of the platform itself, things like that are to be expected. They are testing the engines in real world conditions for the first time. The reason you don't see older aircraft suffer the same mishaps is a result of perhaps many decades of use and operation, and thus evolved procedures and maintenance concepts.

The United States owns Germany. We won it fair and square after WW2 and the Cold War.

Germany bought Italy fair and square with welfare money.

When our bottom bitch gives you welfare money, you will fucking spend it how the bottom bitch tells you to spend it. Capiche?

>Is the F-35 even a good paper weight?

Don't worry - When Trump starts throwing nukes around air power won' matter.

Do you mean we need another World War?

Aussie Pilots hate it.
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It is a piece of shit with the best sensor suite and weapons package on the planet. Fuck your dinosaur jets eurofaggots.

Actually, since I have always been partial to the f-5, I do have a soft spot for the gripen. Rafale is pretty awesome too.

As much as I hate the f-35, it could destroy every other fighter out there. We are not living in 1968, sad to say. Also our pilots could beat any other nation out there. More flying time and better training. Suck it faggots

If you don't want to be forced to buy ZOG Imperial Supplies with ZOG Welfare Money, then opt out of ZOG.

>switching sides intensify

Underrated. If these bitches keep getting out of pocket, we'll hafta bring the goon hand down. Again.

you know Canada is only doing the hat because they hate Drumpf, right?

I completly agree with you on these points. But I still think the debate is elsewhere : too much weight for a single engine : a single engine because price were supposed to be kept low > cooperation are supposed to spread expense > cooperation is divergence on what should be on the planes > more and more capabilities on the planes > too much weight for one engine.

>our pilots could beat any other nation out there
Which is why they all come to Australia to learn how to fly, right?
Also Australian pilots (which train yours) fucking hate your piece of shit death box.
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F-35 has a ton of teething problems to still overcome. What happens in the next few years will be crucial to its long term success of failure.

We should have purchased another few hundred F-22's instead. Allowed the Navy to fly Super Hornets until a new carrier capable aircraft (or stealth attack drone) is ready for carrier deployment.

As for the JSF issues, much of them can be laid on the feet of the USMC, as they just had to have a VTOL aircraft. Too many compromises made in all versions so that the USMC could get the "B" model to replace the Harrier. Should have developed a separate VTOL platform for the USMC.

I wish we could
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Idiot doesn't understand that Japan's Article 9 prevents them from having aircraft carriers so they try to get around this by modifying their ASW helicopter carrier to support F-35s. His only response is "uh ok" like a mouth breathing retard.

Yeah me too

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>It is a piece of shit with the best sensor suite and weapons package on the planet.

During trial in France, a Rafale sensor suite easily detected the JSF despite stealth tech.

Thales > United Technologies and L3

>fighter/cas/naval based on it's design with maybe two engines?
you have no idea what you are talking about. F35 is the carrier model for the navy. our two engine fighter is the F22. B2 is stealth bomber.

The F22 is the most dominant aircraft in the world. The Chinese are still working their asses off to make a shitty knock off. It would blow those old Rafales you guys fly out of the air before you even knew it was there.

Have a (you) dear sir

the plane does the job it was made for, as in it transfers gorillions from the tax payer to the military industrial complex

Are you retarded?

The F22 is a marvel... but no longer produced, neither are spare parts. The few that still fly does it on cannibalised parts.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Trying to design a plane to do 3 different things at once results in a plane that sucks at all of those things.

The Marines just couldn't live without VTOL, so the fuselage had to be made fuckhuge to fit the lift fan, even on the Air Force and Navy models that don't use it. The overall size of the plane is dictated by Navy carrier requirements, so they couldn't just overcome the giant fuselage with bigger wings (which would've posed its own problems anyway), so they're left with an awkward-shaped plane with way too much drag from the giant fuselage and not enough wing to maneuver properly.

So, at its base, it can't turn worth a damn because of the small wing, and is slow and guzzles fuel because of all that drag. It is an awful design for anything but replacing the Harrier and it will get shredded in any dogfight with even 1980s adversary jets.

Now the big hope is to overcome the basic terrible design with advanced electronics and missiles -- the problem being that it is way faster and cheaper to develop a new radar/IR array, and countermeasures to missiles, than it is to design an entire new airframe.

So the thing RIGHT NOW depends on adversaries not being able to jam its missile guidance, because if they do, they can close into a dogfight, or close enough to fire heatseeking missiles, and the F35 is almost literally defenseless in that sort of fight. If they have, and when they do, it's useless.

In 20 years, they won't be able to operate the damn things anywhere near enemy defenses. It is the worst weapons program in history and I only hope some of its bloated budget is actually funding interesting black projects.

Why do you think we would make another two engine fighter when we still have the best in the world? F35 was specifically developed to be jack of all trades.

>In which Japan and North Korea join the struggle to find a use for it.
what kind of sentence is that? feels like every single article has some insane errors in it now

Aren't you fags still flying mig-29's and tornado's?

You guys do make some amazing shit. Pretty top shelf. Some of the new weapon systems you guys are developing are intimidating.

The mirage family are some of my favorites.

HAHA YOU CANT HAVE THIS

we also needed a less capable fighter to export in order to maintain air supremacy.

There is less than 200 of the damn thing, it is not produced, nor spare parts for it, since 2009, according to your Congress decission.

the JSF is not here to supplement the F22, but to replace it. It is official, not just a wism....

well who the fuck decided a long range flight was in order the first time out?

We are in no way comparable to the US in terms of Plane/Ship, to the German for tanks and the Russian for Missiles, but we still want to be able to produce our own shit, and for that I'm proud to be French.

Remember the Bradley?

You guys fly our planes, and have done so since the British and Canadians gutted or merged their best aviation industries with foreign interests. You faggots will keep flying our planes until the globalists dismantle and merge our MIC

>we still have the best in the world

The Air Force might be in for a big fat fucking surprise when they try to deploy those things in a real combat situation, which is probably why they haven't. It's easier to build a phased multiwavelength array radar system with an algorithm to interpret the results than to build a new aircraft, and it's been long enough that I suspect most advanced SAM systems are now accurate to get a missile close enough to F-22 to use IR terminal guidance.

Designing the entire airframe to be stealthy against X-Band made sense in the 1980s when X-Band was all you had to worry about, because it was the only thing going that provided the resolution necessary to guide a missile into a lethal distance. Stealth planes have always shown up clear as day on longwave radars, but those are only accurate to about 20,000 feet or so. Now there is so much processing power available so cheaply that it's almost certain China or Russia have figured out how to synthesize a decent firing solution out of multiple wavelengths, and certainly enough to get a missile with IR guidance close enough to lock on.

And there's nothing you can do about IR, not as long as you're flying a big hot skin-heated plane with two jets shooting out the back.

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It's literally a reskinned f-22, the entire thing is a sham. The reason it "costs" so much is because the f35 program is a front for DoD aerospace black projects. Think about what they got up to with SR-71, but given today's tech and the 1.5 TRILLION dollars they've spent on it...yes that numbers right...it's their way to account for the money without congressional oversight

That too

The F35 was designed to be more flexible with VTOL and carrier capabilities, the F22A is still the top aircraft in our Airforce. It will be a while before the money is invested to make an entirely new two engine, specialized aircraft - we don't need it. Even our much older planes are still superior or comparable to most of the world's capabilities. There is no reason at all to have an abundance of F22s.

The F35 is a watered down plane to satisfy its specific purposes and to make some money by selling it to allies without having to reveal our best tech.

We'll fly your planes until such time as I overthrow the MIC in this country and establish the greatest missile industry the world has ever seen.

too bad we quit making them

In Mexico, I ended up drinking with a tanker aircrew who'd done OIF -- he said there was all sorts of classified combat stuff flying there even back then. "Don't talk about the pointy black planes" was what he was told, and he wouldn't go into it more than that.

I hope to hell F35 is a smokescreen for that. Small stealthy missile-carrying drone swarms slaved to a single pilot would be fucking awesome.

The F-35 is really on stealth from the front, unlike the F-22 which literally has a little ball on its belly that broadcasts where it is during joint excercsies.

The Rafales is peak 4th gen, and the best looking plane in the world right now. Its main drawbacks are range and radar strength.

>And there's nothing you can do about IR, not as long as you're flying a big hot skin-heated plane with two jets shooting out the back.
Still my point. The F22 is still peak, next plane will not be for a long time. I have been wondering when planes with pilots will be gone all together.

Because it never faced an enemy?

eurofighter typhoon propably outclasses any murca plane at 50% power

The Typhoon would get its ass handed to it by the latest F-15s. It sucks.

see this bant that contain some truth The USA and it's allies will have to get on with that for a gap that could be several decades long... and that's a very big security problem, especially with Russian and Chinese affordable A2AD tech that they are going to spread...

Wait, you win countries by beating them in wars? I see clay, lot's of it.
Also, when do you hand the keys over to vietnam?

Israel's f-35 was defeated by a bird immediately after crossing syrian borders.
Assad forces reported damage after targeting just such an aircraft, but Israel is to much of a cuck to admit their plane got the proper respons after illegaly crossing in to syrian airspace.

>I have been wondering when planes with pilots will be gone all together.

My personal suspicion is they already are. If shitty slow Reapers are flying around pilotless, it is ridiculous to think the cutting edge hasn't already been there for a long time. It'd be like if carbon fiber brakes came out on a Fiesta before Ferrari.

And it would explain the fucking ridiculous budgets for F-22 and F-35, just being a big noisy smokescreen for building the real shit.

Great thread to see american retardism

The leave is right.
>The USA and it's allies will have to get on with that for a gap that could be several decades long... and that's a very big security problem, especially with Russian and Chinese affordable A2AD tech that they are going to spread...
Russia and China are still very far behind on combat tech, especially carriers. Traditional two engine joint-strike fighters are a thing of the past. Our military is probably already testing the next thing, and I guarantee it wont be anything like the planes of the past.

Don't the antennae of long wave radar have to be really really big? Like to make them impractical in various places that might need coverage?

>My personal suspicion is they already are.
Agreed. The F35 is likely the last traditional JSF the US will develop.

>USA sells its most advanced planes

Yeah, no. Never happened, never will.

Any export is junk.

F35 is junk.

>when it has a military budget that allows for specialised aircraft.

Because the MIC works in such a way that companies like Lockheed and Boeing can fleece the Americans for tens to hundreds of billions in unnecessary shekels in exchange for exclusive contracts. trump was able to wipe like 2 billion off the air force one contract just by asking nicely, that should tell you all you need to know.

Was there anything the F-35 offered over the F-22?

This guy gets it, F-15's built in the 80's are still dominant af, especially American onea with electronics they dont share in the international models.
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>dogfight with even 1980s adversary jets.
>dogfighting post 2020

Dogfighting will be as archaic as ships slugging it out with naval guns. We look back on that now and laugh at battleship fags, dogfighting fags will be looked at the same.

the F-35 has never been tested against another gen 5 fighter

the reason it has never been tested against another gen 5 fighter is because the US military already knows it will perform poorly

Also, not many know that the F-35 would win almost any dog fight because of its fancy helmet and off bore targeting tech (that no other plane has right now). Basically, an F-35 pilot can almost, not really, look behind him, see through the plane, and fire a missile. He doesn't have to be in postion (nearly as much as other planes).

Well at least that probably isn't hate speech where you're from. You'll probably be just fine.

At $1 Trillion it is the most successful weapons program in history.

Added bonus is that it spends 25% of its time being refitted, also at ruinous expense.

BUT MUH F35 GOT VTOL ! IT GOT BIG REACTORS AND FURTIVE WEAPONRY !

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- Ameritard

Compared to X-band, yes. You're not likely to shrink a 3MHz antenna into a jet nose cone. But, they also work at ridiculous distances, like 3MHz can be bounced off the ionosphere to accurately look around the curvature of the Earth, so a simple datalink between networked arrays does the trick.

>t. USAF in 1951 before horrifying surprise in Korea
>t. USAF in 1965 before horrifying surprise in Vietnam
etc

The problem is that it's very easy and fast to develop countermeasures to missile guidance, compared to designing and building an entire aircraft. So if you build a plane that can't maneuver, you are literally betting everything on the missile you fire not being jammed or confused enough to miss, because if it is, it will come down to two pilots maneuvering to get gun position on each other, and the other plane is better at that.

Betting a $100 million aircraft on the $500 guidance system in the missile not being confused by a $5 million ECM package is a risky bet.

this nigga gets it

Why can't they make aesthetic planes anymore?

You know why

They stopped making it because the military industrial complex didn't want to be left out of business. The F22 could only be sold to the U.S, and once they replaced all their f16's, with f22's, they would have nothing left to produce except a new aircraft for the navy which wouldn't be significant numbers. So instead of replacing their 2000 f16's, which are air superiority fighters, with f22's, which are also air superiority fighters, they some how convinced the U.S to replace them with Multi-role aircraft instead.

Then came the problem. They had to be better than the f16 at dog fighting since they were replacing them, otherwise it would be a literal downgrade. They couldn't defy physical limitations of the jet, which was required to have x amount of range, plus hold x amount of ordnance, be capable of deploying on aircraft carriers, and beat an f16. So they made all that meme technology like the helmet used to see behind them and shit, and heavy reliance on stealth because there was no way it could be better than an f16 normally.

Source: My ass.

We kept locking RADAR on that so they quit using it.

Functionality, practically, and lethality is what makes war machines aesthetic user

The most important part of it is the code. Foreign buyers are butthurt cause they can't duplicate the algos in it.

Interesting that Russian and Chinese air defence is very good, and their armies are trained to fight without air superiority.

If they can deny airspace without fielding expensive aircraft and fight effectively, well it will be hard going for the empire.

The money would have been better spent on fallout shelters for the citizens. Something Russia and China have built into the basement of every modern building.

Anyway, Americas political class will have access to shelters. Everyone else will die, which gives rise to the question: Who will serve the ruling class after the war?

So basically what your saying is no matter how advanced A2A combat gets it usually make its way down to short range fights do to ECM?

Most planes are not going to be used in real combat so they could at least make look cool.

Enjoy actually HITTING it sven

Between two 21st-century adversaries, that should be what you expect. It's one thing blowing some third world dictator's rusty old Soviet shit out of the sky, but the Chinese are likely going to field jets with very expensive toys onboard.

Birds will fuck up any aircraft.

There's nothing wrong with the F-15. It's just that the newest craze is having multirole stealth fighters capable of STOVL for the tactical benefit of being able to take off and land in improvised landing strips. This allows for a nation's airforce to refuel and rearm aircraft in locations that are hidden from reconnaissance and air-based radar that can penetrate below the canopy.

What I recall hearing about the F-35 is that is extremely serviceable. That is, most of it's systems and hardware is "1 layer deep", this would even make an aircraft easy to repair with replacement parts in the field.

Not sure if anything I said is certain, but it would benefit a military to implement air superiority in a theater that is filled with guerrilla warfare or defensive capabilities.

Does it beat the operational ceiling of the mig?

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