Daily reminder the first country to eliminate their central bank and allow free market banking will have the highest living standards on earth within 5 years.
Massive high paying service sector jobs with dominate this country's economy to consume the goods the rest of the world has to produce for it.
The workweek would shrink to 2-3 days a week and people would retire much earlier. This will also lead to more jobs becoming available.
Everyone would have high saving rates. Houses would be inexpensive. Debt would be strongly discouraged economically.
Massive automation would take place as the cost of capital goods would be extremely cheap. This will lead to massive levels of technological innovation.
It would be extremely easy for the average person to start a business due to the cheap cost of capital goods.
Daily reminder actual free markets have prices falling all the time instead is going up.
Daily reminder America never had a system of free market banking for most of it's history. There were only patches of American history with free market banking. The panics that happened during the 1800s were due to government intervention in the banking sector. Sweden had the longest most successful period of free banking and that's what made them really rich.
Daily reminder the longest period of (relatively)free banking in America coincided with the INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION where wages rose and prices fell.
Daily reminder central banks are the very reason the economy is a pile of shit and our generation is so fucked.
Basically what I'm saying is if we had a free market, the entire fucking country would be disneyland or universal studios and people would barely have to work.
Why would you NOT support this unless you were a shill that hated white people?
Yes US is not true capitalism. My religio...errr book by rothbard says that capitalism is perfect even though everytime it has been tried it fails.
Camden Rodriguez
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Ian Kelly
Kek 8/10 b8
Gabriel Martinez
>Yes US is not true capitalism. My religio...errr book by rothbard says that capitalism is perfect even though everytime it has been tried it fails. Every time capitalism has been tried it was a massive success though lmao
Every time socialism was tried it was a massive failure.
Central banking is government
LMAO why do you people actually want to be beaten, enslaved and impoverished?
Jordan Foster
Marxism is the dumbest religion in the world by far. They don't even believe in evolution.
Aiden Wilson
Yes a huge success like in russia post ussr, argentina, chile during pinochet, etc. I really ask that same question myself when I see ancaps.
Carson Campbell
Look dude, you have to address this fucking point. We have been going around in circles with Rothbard-Hoppe's theory for how many decades now and you people are NO CLOSER to explaining how you're going to independently secure your new sovereign libertarian country. Is it the idea that libertarianism will be seen as The Truth at some point after which it will reign eternal without needing guns? What? Or who will own the guns?
Easton Gray
>Yes a huge success like in russia post ussr Economically unfree shithole. Where is the capitalism there? I only see corruption and state control of the economy.
>argentina very economically unfree, inflationary
>chile during pinochet, etc lol Chile is the most successful south american country right now you gigantic retard. Pinochet saved their country from turning into cuba or Venezuela. He didn't even do that many free market reforms, he just WASN'T socialist.
lmao socialism has been nothing but a massive failure of poverty and misery Look at how shitty soviet cars were
>I really ask that same question myself when I see ancaps. WEW you're a nazbol, you're literally a meme literally "PLEASE ENSLAVE AND KILL ME DADDY" the ideology Just fucking kill yourself you fucking cuck waste of life, you unironically want to be enslaved.
Nolan Scott
>Look dude, you have to address this fucking point. We already did, in every thread.
Lets say Switzerland did this or something, or iceland, or Sweden.
What exactly would be the international motivation for bombing these countries?
If the USA did this there would be a gigantic backlash the likes that have never been seen.
Kayden Nguyen
I can't fucking believe unironic communists exist.
There are actually people that want their freedom stolen from them and beaten and enslaved.
Mason Rogers
>Daily reminder actual free markets have prices falling all the time instead is going up.
This would mean that in the long run people would buy fewer goods, because they know that prices will fall even lower in the future.
Lucas Perez
>1.5 hours for this
Homework for the ancap:
Learn about chileks economic history. Note when pinochet was put out of power. Read about the argentinian crash of 2000. Do research in 1991 russia. Learn about cases of unregulated capitalism.
Easton Lee
.5 hours for this I literally forgot I made this thread lmao
>Homework for the ancap Here's some homework for you. Realize human nature and evolutionary instincts are real and are not made up bourgeois science. Realize your entire ideology has been debunked countless times from many different angles. Realize that surplus value is impossible because the working class consumes 99% of all consumer goods, the workers would be getting essentially nothing in a socialist revolution. Realize that socialism is impossible due to the economic calculation problem and that 90% of "socialist" countries were actually state capitalist ones because real socialism with zero prices leads to famine and economic destruction.
Did mommy beat you or something? You have a fetish for having ZERO control over your life? You want the state to dictate your every move. We should kill you out of pity.
>Learn about chileks economic history. Note when pinochet was put out of power. They kept most of his reforms, that's why chile is the most successful country in SA today while the rest of SA is filled with socialist and economically unfree shitholes.
>argentinian crash of 2000 Thanks to central banking, government debt and government control, yes.
>1991 russia. Massive state control in favor of certain industries, no respect for property rights, massive corruption, no rule of law, central banking
>Learn about cases of unregulated capitalism. Yes, late 1800s USA. No central bank, no income tax, very little govt control over the economy. During this period economic production skyrocketed,wages dramatically increased as prices fell, working hours also shrank(as they inevitably do under market economies pic related). Americans had the highest living standards in the entire world and of all human history. This all ended in 1913 with central banking and really ended in 1970 when central banks took full control over the entire world's money supply and the gold standard was abandoned.
James Russell
Good thing I’m not a communist then, although communism > capitalism. Stop projecting your own childhood and think, why do you think most capotalist countries have a central bank. Also I hope you seriously don’t think that pre 1913 US was a paradise.
Kevin Robinson
Yes I know, your argument is always the same: it wouldn't happen because it's bad for profit in some sense. International motivation? How about plunder. Do you know about the westphalian system of international law? You just repeat as first principle that a libertarian society would be stable and happy, and that the world would let it continue to exist. I understand that you believe this, but it is also the reason we're not getting anywhere with these threads.
Alexander Phillips
>Good thing I’m not a communist then nazbols are commies, face it's you just crave a large boot in your face and a big black dick in your ass
>although communism > capitalism Seeing how freer markets results in a massive increase in living standards and socialism results in poverty and slavery, you're wrong.
>Stop projecting your own childhood and think TOP KEK the irony Yes, mommy clearly beat you. You love getting beaten don't you. Holy shit seek help.
>why do you think most capotalist countries have a central bank Because we currently live under statism and statism is a monopoly on force so they will obviously be corrupt and make central banks.
>Also I hope you seriously don’t think that pre 1913 US was a paradise. In todays standards' obviously not, we have more economic production now. But back then it was a paradise for the working class. Countless people came from all over the world to work in american factories at these high wages.
Nathaniel Stewart
Good thing I am neither a nazbol then. Anyways please stop projecting your fantasies and childhood in this thread. Good thing that you admit the reason for the central banks. Now tell me, has this ever been prevented?
Lucas Lewis
>Good thing I am neither a nazbol then. >I was only pretending to be retarded
Thanks for wasting everyone's time kiddo.
>Good thing that you admit the reason for the central banks. Yes, statism, not "DA BOIURGIEEIOSISSEE!!!!"
>Now tell me, has this ever been prevented? Yes, andrew jackson. Also how do we prevent it in the future? Have the vast majority of the population knowledgeable on the subject. Teach it in schools. Make anti-central banking be as accepted as gravity or evolution. Also cryptos will destroy both central banking AND socialism within the next few decades and it's going to be fucking GLORIOUS.
Joseph Reed
It’s in the interests of capitalists aka those in power to have a central bank so education is not an answer. (How surprising that the only way to make ancap work is by totalitarianism.) Tell me when you can buy food with bitcoin.
John Gonzalez
>It’s in the interests of capitalists aka those in power What capitalists? ALL capitalists? LMAO Even the ice cream man down the street? I paid some guy to mow my lawn, am I somehow involved with this? Is the CEO and shareholders of nintendo somehow magically involved with this since they happened to be part of the "bourgeoisie".
Face it, you're only talking about an extremely small group of people who have money. Lumping them all into one group is hilariously flawed.
Also the factor that causes horrible things to happen is not these corrupt rich people you speak of. It's the state itself. Without statism and state control over the economy, these things would be literally impossible. The capitalists would have nothing to "buy".
>aka those in power to have a central bank so education is not an answer So? It's in the interest of those in power to do a LOT of horrible things. They can't because the vast majority of the population disagrees with doing these things. Education and knowledge of this is clearly the answer. The elites can't force central banking on a population of people that don't want it in a democracy.
>(How surprising that the only way to make ancap work is by totalitarianism.) What the fuck are you talking about now? I meant voluntary education, idiot. Also you're a totalitarian yourself that enjoys being cucked hard lol.
>Tell me when you can buy food with bitcoin. People order food with cryptos all of the time. You commie pieces of shit are in for a massive shock in the coming years.
Dylan Brown
He will never say how libertarianism can be enforced, since he takes it as an article of faith that it wouldn't have to be. It is the physical manifestation of Freedom™ on earth, and its enemies are the incarnations of Force and Violence. Anybody who believes in sovereignty is a statist that advocates a monopoly of force to corrupt the natural social order. Since statists are the enemy of the ancap, it is impossible by definition that the libertarian laws would be enforced by a state. It has to be protection agencies in open competition, yet none of them can have a sovereign claim either. The very nature of sovereignty and power is to be commercialized in some sense, and then true freedom awaits us. It's actually frustration with this picture that makes me so snarky. I still have a soft spot for libertarians.
Christian Torres
So you expect voluntary education which costs money to be enough to make every single induvidual oppose central banking. Do you see how this will not work?
Owen Peterson
Daily reminder Bitcoin is the currency of the future. don't be a pleb; buy it while it's still cheap.
Easton Cook
>He will never say how libertarianism can be enforced wew, I'm not even an ancap but ancap exists in many places in history medieval ireland, medieval iceland, Neutral Moresnet, the american midwest in 1800s etc. Places with polycentric law
I prefer a republic with strong limits on democracy that enforces free markets and property rights into law.
USA was somewhat similar to what I wanted but it was eventually destroyed because the constitution was too weak. It worked for a long time though.
Carter White
>So you expect voluntary education which costs money Which costs literal pennies though.
>to make every single individual oppose central banking KEK I never said that, read my post again. All that happens is the truth of the matter gets out. Schools and education facilities will begin teaching this and unbrainwashing what state run education has taught them. Support for central banking was enforced by the state and taught in public schools. It can be unlearned.
>Do you see how this will not work? You're actually unironically saying the distribution of factual information somehow will not work. Why are commies actually this dumb?
Leo Ross
dead coin >$50 transaction fees lmao
Jonathan Gomez
>ancap existed HOW WAS IT ENFORCED? HOW DO YOU BUILD YOUR REPUBLIC? You ancaps are like kids with lego blocks that snark at adults who are trying to figure out cement to build their homes.
You’re a capitalist. You know people will choose free public education over costly private one. Even if we assume there are no public schools people are going to prefer the cheaper option which omits the central banking education.
Ethan Howard
Mate I know that law was involved, but you are so stubborn in refusing to recognize that your horrible "monopoly of force" is required for the rule of law. Even if you don't agree with this theoretically, it has been historical reality everywhere. There is a wonderful body of libertarian law to be implemented for anybody willing to take the chance, but first they need the guns to do it. Yet here you are still pussying out and claiming it will be the result of pure education, intellect, freedom and prosperity.
Xavier Gray
>You know people will choose free public education over costly private one. Exactly dumbfuck. This is why I want to abolish public education. I already told you this.
>Even if we assume there are no public schools people are going to prefer the cheaper option which omits the central banking education. The cheaper option would be private and would still be against central banking.
Because bootlickers like the guy in this thread exists.
>but you are so stubborn in refusing to recognize that your horrible "monopoly of force" is required for the rule of law. How am I stubborn? Polycentric law legit existed for long periods of time and was quite successful. In fact it took Britian a very long time to conquer Ireland because they had no state.
Again, I'm not an ancap, I want a republic that strongly limits democracy, somewhat like america used to be.
>but first they need the guns to do it. Yet here you are still pussying out and claiming it will be the result of pure education No, lol, I'm in favor of violent revolution too, which ever comes first.
Christian Cooper
polycentric law requires a monopoly of force like any other system of law, and is not a product of freedom and nature like you continue to claim it is. That is why you are stubborn. It's completely obvious you're a republican american that believes in the essential divinity of minarchist rule and freedom, but REFUSES UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE to dirty your hands with violence or even the thought of violence. Your utopia must come about as heaven on earth after "we" realize its merits, and anybody who doubts this proposition is your (statist) enemy by definition. There's just nothing to argue about with you people.
Jackson Moore
Why would the cheaper option be against central banking?