What would Russia be like if they never turned communist?

What would Russia be like if they never turned communist?

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well depends what changed
the tsar would be gone either way if he joined WW1

Cold

Better economically as they would have been able to expand using capitalist theories and wouldnt jave had the 1991 crash

Destroyed by the West through some other way.

Wall Street and US industrialists and architetcs funded and built up Bolsheviks and Soviet industry.

dunno, but Russians rightly deserved bolshevism for immorality in politics and partitioning Poland-Lithuania and now they even are on the path to become a muslim country. Suck it, you can't just do whatever you want in politics and laugh at others, pricky Russians

Russia has always been an Oligarchy always was always will be. It would probably look rather similar to today whoever has the biggest dick is in control.

A much richer place with high living standards, like the rest of europe.

The Tsar would have died and his children would have become monarchs like in UK or whatever while an actual parliament controls things.

Too bad the commies fucked that up.

I heard back in those days they pretty much had 3 classes, the tsar, the government workers, and basically everyone else which were all peasant tier something like 90% of the country. Doesn't sound good senpai USSR hardened Russia up and made it realize the power of the jews firsthand through direct control. After learning this lesson Russia is now being a right wing nationalist country

Probably nothing, most Russians are as dumb as the yanks.

>no 1st man in space
>no sputnik
>no first nuclear plant

but

>gorillion of useless nobles
>foreign capitalists controlling russian markets

well, i dunno what to choose

blocks your path

Well, Tsarist Russia had great relations with the U.S. for one, so forget about a cold war and all of the communist subversion it spread. It would have had an immense impact on the whole world.

Sorry we didn't kill more of your relatives in katyn. We'll do better next time

I know you have a lot of legitimate gripes with the Rooskies, but no one deserves communism. MEn may deserve hell, but they never deserve communism.

Why do you think we are becoming a Muslim country? Muslims were here since forever, they live in the particular parts of Russia in their communities they don't influence out politics to extent to be a mayor of Moscow for example. The exception is the conflicts in their local areas like the Chechen wars.

>path to become a muslim country

at least, we don`t have streets named in honor of islamic terrorists

You really think the nobility would have been preserved? I figured after the February Revolution they were kind of screwed. Of course the Whites weren't a coherent political movement, so that doesn't help.

drochara dudaeva

>Doesn't sound good senpai USSR hardened Russia up and made it realize the power of the jews firsthand through direct control.
Please kill yourself.

The average russian would have a much higher living standard if they turned capitalist.
Tsarism wouldn't have lasted forever.

Socialism turned them into literal fucking slaves.

well, that was nothing but b8s, in real life my great-great-grandpa, which was an russian dvoryanin and officer, so he supported bolsheviks, why? because fuck intervention forces, that`s why.

Russians are a pretty fucking stupid race.

It's pretty hilarious they actually fell for communism and it enslaved and killed them.

The whites were a retarded cohort of liberals who didn't know what was what and aristocrats. It's hard to blame the Russians for going with the bolsheviks. It's sad that they didn't have some sort of a socialisty integralist movement.

>Socialism turned them into literal fucking slaves.

thank god, that we`ve been liberated in 1991

>the eternal Polak

>enslaved and killed them

PROOFS
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>top 1% income share
What does this have to do with anything?
Do you think if all of this money was given away to everyone else, everyone else would be able to buy more things? Are you this retarded?

>thank god, that we`ve been liberated in 1991
You weren't.
You're still controlled by statism and central banks.

Why are marxists actually this fucking stupid and gullible?
They unironically want to be enslaved and killed.

Here it is you dirty commie bastard, cruel soviet medicine increased life expectancy, so prisoners spent more years in eternal GULAG

>>enslaved
Almost complete government control over the economy and everyone's lives in general. If you tried to do your own thing

>killed them
Holodomor, gulags.

You bootlickers are hilarious.

>everyone else would be able to buy more things

if you compare food consumption by years, than yes, i mean, it is funny, when meme-flag tells me about history of my country

>You're still controlled by statism and central banks.

just name some countries, which are not controlled by central banks, huh, except somalia of course

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Unfortunately, I dont think it could have been possible for the febraury revolution to survive without becoming some form of the october (bolsh) revolution. This is so because of demographics. Close to 90 percent peasant and a large portion of jews, and the land being so vast--there were not enough people in the middle stations of society to prop up a constitutional regime.
This coupled with kike instigating of false hopes in the peasant goyim.

we have also independence

Russia would be an empire anyway

>be russian
>actually want yourself and your people to be enslaved by the state and gangs that control it

Slavs are pretty stupid desu

>if you compare food consumption by years, than yes, i mean, it is funny, when meme-flag tells me about history of my country
But this isn't true at all HAHAHAHAHAHA
The 99% consume 99% of all food.

They would get virtually NOTHING. They would actually get less because the economy would collapse and output would decrease.
Dumb economic illiterates.

>just name some countries, which are not controlled by central banks
USA pre 1913.
Sweden over 100 years ago when they all became incredibly wealthy and living standards for the average person increased like mad.

>be meme-flag

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>Holodomor was real

yes

>But this isn't true at all

it actually is

>USA pre 1913.

should i mention about early 20th century american oligarchy, about Teddy Roosevelt presidency and so on?

>Why do you think we are becoming a Muslim country?
because it is enough in Russia to be influential in Moscow and St Petersburg to influence Russia as a whole (well maybe some other cities arose, but those are 2 important). Russia is incredibly centralized, it doesn't matter that some Pskov or Tver have Russians as majority, and Russians are culture-less people nowadays

You must be retarded to think that because the Patriarchate finances the construction of monasteries, that it will be a sufficient replacement for the void that Russia is. Or that because Putin banned LGBT promotion, that it is a barrier enough for the lively islamic civilization

Russians are hollow people and hollow people don't breed. Peter the Great fucked up Russia and now you have the consequences of it, along with bolshevism

Also, read pic related. The russian is a very different breed, obviously, than the western European--destined to a unique political existance.

interesting, didn't know, but it was pushed through probably by our "democratizors" who just mindlessly oppose Russia as a "reactionary" force

>Peter the Great fucked up Russia

nah, he actually fucked up Sweden

You literally had a meme flag for almost a century

and you still unironically defend it because you actually enjoy being cucked.

I live in a first world country with high economic freedom and I have a great job with tons of disposable income.

Why the fuck would I ever want socialism in my country?
Why would I want to be enslaved like you low IQ pieces of shit do?

why do you talk to those inbred gommie cucks?
dont waste your time on them

Iran

>stalin never lied about anything
>holodomor wasn't real

I wonder what it's like to be a bootlicking sycophant?

>Putin banned LGBT promotion, that it is a barrier enough for the lively islamic civilization
LGBT is a salvation from Islam??

Soviet union collapsed nearly 3 decades ago. I`m sure that they would have found proof to warrant Holodomor as genocide by now if it was the case.

>it actually is
but it's not.

Explain how people could get more than 99% of all consumer goods when they already consume this amount.
Explain this.
You LITERALLY CAN'T.

Socialism is a mind virus.
I'm sorry you've been inflicted.
The only solution is an injection of lead straight into your skull.

>should i mention about early 20th century american oligarchy, about Teddy Roosevelt presidency and so on?
What does this have to do with anything?
There were no central banks back then, people thrived.
Highest living standards in the world.

the only thing, that lolbertarian are able to inject, is their own pee in their own pants

>I`m sure that they would have found proof to warrant Holodomor as genocide by now if it was the case.
lmgtfy.com/?q=Holodomor genocide

The Holodomor is a classically accepted genocide by academics, either that or a man made famine.

They have, even before the Union collapsed, too. But just like your nazi buddies you're just going to spin some funny lies about how that isn't real proof.

Russia WAS capitalist you fucking retard.

>LGBT is a salvation from Islam??
no, but the ban on LGBT in Russia serves as a superficial "traditionalism" which could theoretically create a barrier against islam

not to mention that the russian elite, from anticultural liberals to putinists, are proud of russian multiculturalism. Putin even says that Russia has 4 traditional religions

and poland history has 4 partitions

Not getting laid nowadays counts as white genocide so I`m sure Holodomor "classicly" accepted as genocide too.

>I live in a first world country with high economic freedom and I have a great job with tons of disposable income.
Show flag and I'll tell you how much of your economy is run by the state.

Russia.

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A shithole.
Communism industrialized Russia. Reduced illiteracy from 90% to 1-2%. Made them win space race. Made the become nuclear power.

It's always funny seeing your mental gymnastics fail, and your subsequent attempts to make light of the situation with shitty humour fail even harder.

>assmad babby slavshit can't respond to criticisms of his cultist ideology

lol go move to north korea

well yes, but who lost here in the end? Jews were murdered by the Germans, and Ukrainians and Belarussians now are as hollow as Russians...

>Russia WAS capitalist you fucking retard.
Everything is capitalist according to commies.
They're so simple minded they think the most peaceful and prosperous countries like Sweden and Switzerland are capitalist but at the same time africa is capitalist.
They can't explain why one country is rich and the other poor and corrupt.

They're too stupid to understand what free markets are.

Capitalism is a stupid term used by low IQ dummies.

>Made them win space race

If by winning you mean stealing literally every single thing they could get their incompetent hands on and then selling it as their own idea, sure. I also don't see the Russian flag standing on the moon.

I'm a leaf but yeah there are small amounts of our economy run by the state and these segments are fucking garbage.
We're really high on economic freedom scale, that's why we're rich.

heritage.org/index/country/canada

You lost the moral highground during Times of Trouble.

This.
It's incredible that people this dumb exist.

If marx was never born, the world would be a much more prosperous and peaceful place.

>Communism industrialized Russia
No, american and european capitalist businesses who were paid by the soviets to build up the country did.
Also the only thing that was really industrialized was WAR goods.
Consumer goods for the people was strongly neglected.
The people were fucking slaves.

>Made them win space race.
USA won the space race, it was literally OVER when USA went to the moon.

>butthurt burger
every single time
you lost space race to "le untermensch", deal with it

Communism predates Marx and world was filled with left-wing revolutions that have been non-Marxist. Paris commune is good early example that happened during Marx`s lifetime and he was extremely salty for it not going according to his book of ideas.

>Communism predates Marx and world was filled with left-wing revolutions that have been non-Marxist.
lul, these people were pussies that never accomplished shit

they would have faded into obscurity

marxism persists thanks to it's religious and metaphysical undertones

ALSO none of these places that have been called socialism were ever actual socialism
non-market socialism is impossible and socialists are STILL FUCKING MAD that mises debunked this

lenin actually tried it for the first few years and it was a massive failure

can a russian user give me insights on how the POA is seen in russia today?

youtube.com/watch?v=5I_r5LdPoAU

Russia had anarchists who wanted to kill Tsar. They were making revolution with communists. But they were betrayed after revolution and were fighting communism. So if there were no communists Russia would be anarchistic country with Bat'ka Mahno as a leader

>how should we look on traitors

well, nice question, but we don`t like traitors here

Do you need some salve for your bumblasted behind Ivan?

Another polish jew whose jewish family was sent to siberea and wasnt killed in Konzentrationslager

Like Finland. Here white side win, thank god

>white side win
>kgb agent as president

Fair point about the market socialism, I doubt that there are many people on the left whom would be on denial in this subject since the new leading Marxist-Leninist thinkers(Paul Cockshott for example) and most communist parties are aligned this way. Even the models for command economies rely on markets to some extent expect in the dreams of leftcoms.

And this is your barrier?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_for_Russians

This is a real barrier.

Misguided clueless people at best, traitors at worst. Mostly they're seen as traitors.

>What would Russia be like if they never turned communist?
Shit. Communism allowed Russia to industrialize.

>this

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i thought they tried to save russia from bolshevism, why are they traitors?

>Cockshott
LMAO

these designs are weird, like they were actually made by russian hackers

they tried to fought for the side, which had killed ~30 millions of russian people

But that's socialism though.

If they didn't have socialism, they would have turned out like any average western euro country, with you know, FOOD!
Keep denying reality though.

(((Industrialists)))

Another reason why """"""""""""""""""""""anarcho""""""""""""""""""""""""" -communism is just totalitarian statism

Who? Kekkonen?
And its important to maintain good relationship with angry bear

Commies really just put their fingers in their ears and scream
>can't hear you can't hear you can't hear you
Reality will be clear to you when you find yourself in a gulag in some shitty comunist country.

What? Most western countries were still suffering form food shortages and occasional starvation during the early 20th century. Russian empire in particular suffered form this.

In addition capital investments in Russia were dead during that time, along with industrial growth and other factors. Post-ww1 Russia would have suffered regardless both economically and in its food supply due to the effects of war.

>thinks that gulag means labor camp or any other type of camp
>burger education

And after stalin we have this

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement
>The Pale of Settlement was a western region of Imperial Russia with varying borders that existed from 1791 to 1917, in which permanent residency by Jews was allowed and beyond which Jewish permanent residency and in a certain period even temporary stay was mostly forbidden.

Jews were gonna Jew Russia. There was no stopping it with that many in one place short of a real holocaust. With Jews you lose.