Hi there Sup Forums. Sargon of Akkad here.
Just stopping by to do some research on a video I'm in the process of making on the Alt-Right. This focuses around a single question:
-Why do you reject the principles of enlightenment liberalism and individualism in favour of collectivism and white identity politics?-
All non-trolling responses are appreciated.
Thanks.
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kys fatty
Fuck off
I don't care if you're a fag just don't be a fag around me
Sargon has stated repeatibly that he does not use the chans. This is obvious bait
Sup Forums isn't all alt right you fucking fag monger
>Pretending to be a neckbeard Quadroon
Sad!
Enlightenment liberalism and individualism leads to the dissapearance pf my people, the end.
hello Sup Forums, I'm Jordan B. Peterson, famous psychologist at university of Toronto. Don't forget to visit my patreon and buy my personality test, also don't forget to buy my self-authoring program and give me some money on paypal so I can set up that online university for you'll have to pay little extra later.
I watched a video of yours once. Do you even geopolitical bro?
tits or gtfo
Hello, Sup Forums. I'm a faggot fatass e-celeb (((You-Tuber))) who shills for Isreal on the reg. AMA.
>Hi there Sup Forums. Sargon of Akkad here.
EAT SHIT AND DIE!
Tits or GTFO
>(((enlightenment)))
>(((liberalism)))
>(((individualism)))
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You're a faggot.
Who?
kys fag
Sargon doesn’t use Sup Forums. He gets all his “dank” memes from Reddit.
Because those values can ONLY be upheld in a WHITE society.
If whites fail to collectivise now we stand to lose everything, including our individual liberties. Joining the alt-right is the enlightened and logical thing to do if you are primarily concerned by liberty.
we don't "reject" any principles you unintellegent ponce.
we just don't want people telling us what to do, and no amount of pansies starting sentences with "but" or "then why" will change that.
you are coming face to face with masculinity, and you can't comprehend it because you don't actually possess it.
you can't see the forrest because you are blocked by the trees you are studying, and you sound like an idiot.
Hi there Sargoy of Mossad.
Alt-Right here. Collectivism/tribalism is a natural human state that has been bred out of white people by ((nihilists)), ((communists)) and ((post-modernists)).
seriously though,
Nobody but mountain men are actually individualists, everyone has a family or relies on others to live a modern lifestyle. And that sad fact is, liberalism hasn't enlightened anyone in decades, it's the status-quo and the status-quo will always naturally be moved away from.
Carl, I'm in fear for my life and I know where you live. You come to Killroy and I'll poz your neghole in the ballpit.
OP is a fag.
Hey Sup Forums, deluded neocon kike (((e-celeb))) here, why shouldn't my wifes son get paid reparations for slavery?
Hi there Sup Forums, General José Gervasio Artigas here.
Just stopping by to do some research on how to stop the portuguese advancements over our dear land.
Do you think 33 drunk men with knives tied to sticks would be enough to stop an army?
All non-trolling responses are appreciated.
Thanks
jim here, uploading my video exposing sargon's involvement in troutgate as we speak
sage goes in all fields
Several reasons, but primarily a more abstract one.
Classic and enlightenment liberalism doesn't argue for any paradigm at all, instead, a lack thereof. It is geared towards creating vaccuums. It only does two things. A: Fight against/destroy the current/prevailing paradigm
B: Cede the field to whichever paradigms either find people that actively fight for them, or to which they drift. This goes for many areas.
One example is sexuality and self-improvement (or lack thereof) in general. Counter to progressive academics and their narratives, sexuality is a choice and any perversion diverging from the natural adult straight, is a result of sexual excess, of overt self-indulgence. In any civilization that exists for longer than one or two generations, the prevailing paradigm is, for obvious reason, the adult straight paradigm, where men and women procreate in order to raise children. If you bring in classic and enlightenment liberalism here, all you argue is to remove the prevailing paradigm and either encourage people to indulge themselves and waste important time and energy on more and more extreme and perverted forms of masturbation, or cede the field to lunatics, in this case to tumblrette types that despise 'cishet white men' as well as the disease-ridden gay community.
Another example would be religion. The pre-existing paradigm here would be christianity. In comes classic and enlightenment liberalism, arguing for secularism and for freedom to choose any religion you like, at some point even very aggressively attacking proponents of christian faith. All that really does though (atheism is more of a phase than anything else), is create a vacuum that is soon to be filled with something else, whether that something else is a progressive, marxism-inspired pseudo-religion, or a real one in the form of Islam.
yeah but only if they know about what the jews have done
Because those principles really only work well in ethnostates as you well know but can't admit. Perhaps when we've gotten rid of all the subhumans for you we can reestablish some of those principles
Quit beating your kids.
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I can only believe
I don't. The shitflood of brainlets from stormfront, Reddit and the average low IQ normie brought here by Sup Forums's infamy do, though.
nu/pol/ can't be helped.
>-Why do you reject the principles of enlightenment liberalism and individualism in favour of collectivism and white identity politics?
Because they failed, I can not leave my house without being filled with the cruel knowledge that we are on the wrong path and that society is is completely and utterly fucked.
Do you know how being a tourist in a strange and foreign country feels?
That's what I have to feel every time I leave my house and that is what your "liberalism and enlightenment values" have brought me.
I was born here, my parents were born here, there parents, where born here and theirs too, why am I suddenly a stranger in my country.
I think you have to be actually mad to step outside and think "everything is fine".
"If we just shut down the shrillest voices who demand my death then everything will be fine", because that is your demand.
If I have to sacrifice the "holy liberty" that brought us here, then so be it.
There are a billion other arguments and it has to be said that I am not "against" these values, I am against them in so far as they are wrecking society and my country.
Because enlightenment and individualism have brought us nothing but misery. I might elaborate more later
I srsly don't believe it is you. Also, just because someone is on Sup Forums doesn't necessarily mean that they, you know....
> reject the principles of enlightenment liberalism and individualism in favour of collectivism and white identity politics
Prove your legit
90% chance of troll, but whatever.
>Why do you reject the principles of enlightenment liberalism and individualism in favour of collectivism and white identity politics?
Liberalism is an ideology that was produced in a time of relative abundance compared to the vast majority of history. It is a fallible and ultimately philosophically empty worldview which is the embodiment of the 18th century bourgeoisie's entitlement complex. It relies upon decadence to be at all relevant - there are no 'rights' in nature, there is no equality, there is no universality from which all men can feel kinship. The quest for 'liberty' is chasing the dragon. As society degrades and the Mouse Utopia progresses, the quest gets even more degenerate. First it was 'liberty' from the constraints of a caste system and aristocratic hierarchy, and then 'liberty' from traditional norms, values and morality. Anything that impedes an individual's proclivity to debase himself and destroy himself needs to be dismantled. "Banning pornography? That is illiberal and tyrannical! It is -my- choice to watch sissy hypno dwarf midget porn!" It is perpetual adolescence. Communism's social aspect is very much the child of liberalism's bourgeois rationalization and assertion of one's base character into greater society at large. You only need to look at a disaster like Vee, and you Sargon, to see the end result: weed, video games, furry and inflation porn, Rick and Morty tier FOUR HORSEMEN 2007 atheism, atomized individuality where nothing but your own 'liberty' matters. You've admitted your a nihilist who doesn't care what happens after you're dead. You're here to indulge your bug man whims, sit in a cozy position of status-quo signalling against counter-culture groups, rake in that sweet youtube paper from SJWs Are Insane Part 453, and then shuffle off this mortal coil. 1/2
that's not him you fucking idiots
That's doc peterson to you, bucko
I think a lot of Sup Forums doesn't understand the concept of groups of individuals working as a collective to protect their individualism. That's how the American Minutemen operated, and they did fine enough at telling the slimy Brits to fuck off.
Individualism is of utmost importance. Collectivism is only justified if your collective group is being persecuted, IE getting invaded/genocided/etc.
>collectivists
Youtube skeptics/classical liberals are the most tribalistic and group-thinkish people out there. You just need to look at your now defunct classical liberal tribesman Kraut. They (You) chase away wrong-thinkers like Edgy Sphinx, RageAfterStorm, Harmful Opinions, for merely criticizing and identifying the pitfalls of the SkepticTM/liberal ideology. You are very tribalistic and collectivist in your personal life - the difference is, your tribe is your internet circlejerk. The incestuous subscriber sharing and cross-promotions are just lurid - all the skype and discord scheming against political rivals, very collectivist.
Why are white people becoming white nationalists/racialists/tribalists/whatever-ists? They don't -become- this, most people functionally have to acknowledge group dynamics - and clannishness, tribalism, nationalism and racialism (all the same instinct, simply extensions) is the default 'collective' you belong to. It is the biological and evolutionary collective. Ethnic groups and races forever have competed against each other. Only white people have been brainwashed into hating themselves and suppressing this urge, which is why you are surprised to see resurgence against it. You can only suppress this natural urge with overbearing state power. Arresting white people for 'racist' tweets, firing whites for making 'insensitive' observations about other races, what have you. Kinship-preference is not an ideology, it is a universal trait of Humans and most animals. That is something you don't understand. You can have religious collective identity, political collective identity, but when it comes down to it, ethnicity/race will be the victor. E.g, Al-Andalus had plenty of ethnic tension between Arab masters and Iberian subjects, despite being Muslims. Arabs looked down upon Muslim Iberians as almost equivalent to infidels.
Might add more.
The enlightenment philosophy is well intentioned but based on faulty assumptions about human nature. Chief among these is the rationality of man. Kahneman and Tversky have demonstrated that man's evolution has integrated all manner of heuristics and "good enough" type solutions into our cognitive underpinnings that assumptions of a rational human nature will literally doom us if taken too far. That isn't to say we can't use reason, but that these inbuilt limitations must be recognized and worked around if we are to flourish, and enlightenment values preclude doing this.
On a related note. The evolutionary history of mankind and our inbuilt tribalism is in contravention to the modern multiculturalist interpretation of some enlightenment values. Humans simply don't function well in multiculturalism according to the research. See Robert Putnam on this. Again, there is no way to account for this in the enlightenment framework, or we surely would have done so by now, but instead we have decided to gamble with our civilizations en mass. Unfortunately it isn't even a gamble. Going against our nature means it will fail, and in a bloody manner.
Secularism is also a potential mistake. It appears to cause the collapse of birth rates (although this could be multiculturalism). Religion has been part of the human experience so long now that I expect we've evolved under the assumption of its presence. Research indicates it has some benefits for community and mental resilience. It's an unparalleled method of transferring beneficial behaviors and norms across generations.
I could go on like this. To put it simply, the enlightenment values are naive and unsupported by science and history. I'll always be a classical liberal in my heart, but as it is now, we built our house on sand.
>groups of individuals working as a collective to protect their individualism
I don't think the people identifying as "Individualists" understand Individualism.
Because there is an important distinction here, between "Individualism" as the Idea of rejection of groups, which is just utterly retarded and essentially wrong and "Individualism" meaning not subjecting yourself in total to a group and keeping your "Individuality", while still embracing groups.
Both kinds of people exists the first are what is destroying the west, the second are what made the west great.
>Collectivism is only justified if your collective group is being persecuted, IE getting invaded/genocided/etc.
And what exactly is happening right now?
What the fuck are these "Individualists" doing then?
Sage
Not everyone here is alt-right, champ. This also isn't a hive mind. Lots of shitty folks here, but find me a better place for open and free discussion
If collectivism is more powerful than individualism, why stop doing it when a threat is removed. One can be part of a group with significant individual autonomy. Individualism literally doesn't exist. It's not the human experience.
If you really are sargon of Akkad
1. the alt right does not exist, it is a pejorative catch-all term for anything the left does not like. The alt-right has no manifesto, no membership, just a bunch of self identifying twerps.
2. in the same vane as there are people who self identify as communist ( completely impossible without international socialism to precede it) there are people who self identify as alt-righters - much the same as there are people who self identify as vikings or people living their second life (the first one was as cleopatra (all 1000 of them )) .
3. if u still believe that there is something meaningfully describable as the alt-right, then answer this question, what is the minimum mask of political beliefs one must have in order to be called alt-right? don't know do you? well there is your answer.
a far more interesting question would be about the psychology of politics that allows people to self-con themselves into ideologically difficult positions from which they derive no immediate or tangible benefit. this would be far more interesting than 'the principles of enlightenment liberalism'
The excess of liberty, whether it lies in state or individuals seem to only to pass into slavery -Plato
Nationalism is the binding force of human symbiosis wherever it can manifest with power where: the strength of a nation is defined by the unity of it's people. Create a nation and you will define fascism. The objective of human life is to ensure that it's genes will thrive to be expressed in the next generation in a reality where the production and utility of resources are limited within a finite space. Since not every human ever to exist has yet to be born or determined, any universal political aspiration is self contradicting ideology by definition of free will. This proves the existence of political opportunity for those who express the will to survive by the organization of people.
Also this is a bait thread
>Why do you reject the principles of enlightenment liberalism and individualism in favour of collectivism and white identity politics?-
Simple
Because, A: Individualism is a meme, especially when it comes to politics
and B: Opportunity. I see having a land which is openly in favor of whites as having an inherent advantage over the western countries which are currently anti white because
1, all the whites will want to immigrate there and
2, the rest of the countries will rely on niggers, which means they'll fail
Give me an example of a prosperous country without whites that isn't called Japan
If the west doesn't start treating whites with the privilege they deserve, they'll leave, that simple
First of all I am aware you are working for the zionists
I mean civic nat is shit and I dont know why you think replacing the native population is good, you are obviously ignoring IQ differences between races and cultural differences in favour of citezenship as the main goal of what it means to belong to a society.
-Why do you reject the principles of enlightenment liberalism and individualism in favour of collectivism and white identity politics?-
following the rule of nature there needs to be a certain hierarchy, individualism is ok to a certain point after that it gives birth to degeneracy we are seeing today, multiple genders, gays -sodomy, sex changes, remaking the definitions of mental illness to make it seem like its normal
without a strong collective there is less that society can accomplish that should be logical if not there is nothign to discuss with you
ALSO PLS DO NOTE I DO NOT WANT TO BE - associated with altright
I am more of a nationalist, use the term far-right if you like for your normies
piss off disingenuous cuntflap
What's up Soyboy of Blackdad? How's the interracial gay porn folder on your hard drive? Don't show it to Woes, he might have a bad flashback.
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Fuck off you fat piece of shit
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Because I inherited my high IQ from my white ancestors and blissfully ignore any discussion of the mounting counter-evidence.
To be short -
Modern democracy has shown its weaknesses thoroughly. "Rule of the majority" does not automatically comes down to the truth, or reasonable conclusion, but based off the current trends, social and economical. Those are easily manipulated currently by social media, for example, which created an unstable hectic and violent state of affairs, as we can see everywhere in the west.
Plus, authoritarianism is native to Europeans, with exceptions of some greek city states and roman republic. Not the democracy
Sargon, do you believe in Persian supremacy?
I'm Sargon of Akkad. I'm on holiday in America this poster is lying. I can prove it because I'm Sargon and why would anyone lie about being me.
Go and get a job you fat fuck
>Believes in the alt-right meme.
Poor thing.
>Hi there Sup Forums. Sargon of Akkad here.
Sargon if this is you post your request in a video and then we will believe you
>Why do you reject the principles of enlightenment liberalism and individualism in favour of collectivism and white identity politics?
Because it doesn't work and whites are being eaten alive by everyone else. Liberalism and individualism can only work in a monoracial white society.
But I'm not a liberal anyways. But if you want it to continue to exist you should be campaigning for mass deportations of non-whites along with us. But you won't because you're either 1. a coward 2. so far up your arse you actually believe your egalitarian shit.
Hi there Sargon, Stephen Hawking here.
>Why do you reject the principles of enlightenment liberalism and individualism in favour of collectivism and white identity politics?
Because everywhere attempting to implement such principles has fallen to anti-white identity politics, also
>Collectivism, Identity Politics
Japan, S.Korea are neither of these things, yet are often Sup Forums approved. Limiting citizenship cannot be identity politics in the sense you mean it, otherwise literally every state would be pro-citizen identity politics and therefore bad by you're own beliefs.
Imagine every state as having two borders, geographic and demographic. Then what is largely desired is a stronger (to varying degrees) demographic border, not necessarily (again this varies) any change to how the state interacts with those within said borders.
>-Why do you reject the principles of enlightenment liberalism and individualism in favour of collectivism and white identity politics?-
We don't but individuals needs a collective to be individuals in, if we are to avoid getting a society of atomized nihilist individuals.
PS. We'll bullycide you for betraying your son, if you don't go pro-white.
An enlightened skeptic™ comes here to learn a political ideology lmfao
Because of the results dummy.
I've seen some of your recent stuff Sargoy. You're about 1 inch from being alt-right yourself.
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You fucking faggots fall for everything.
This is bait...
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Hey Sargon of Mossad, tell RiCIArd Spencer and any other controlled opposition (that includes you) that I'll see them in hell
No (You) 4 u
>-Why do you reject the principles of enlightenment liberalism and individualism in favour of collectivism and white identity politics?-
Because it is clear by now that the principles of enlightenment liberalism (individuality, freedom of speech, personal liberty, etc.) go over most heads of the blacks, Hispanics, Arabs and Injuns. They are just too stupid and too primal to properly appreciate such concepts, and will co-opt these concepts back onto a hatred of whites, who they see as "oppressive" and "evil" (this also applies to Jews). And if they kill all whites, they will turn on another group they see as racially superior/inferior tto themselves (such as what we already see in literal Hispanic death squads killing blacks).
These concepts are great for a society smart and honest enough to appreciate them (mostly white and East Asain cultures), but are cancerous for "multi-racial" societies. The worst part? This will never NOT be the case. The only practical solution is to preserve relative-ethnostates, so that the complexities of a multi-racial nation don't have to be faced. This means no more colonization, no more migration, etc.
I think, ultimately, most of the AR want an easy life, where such horrid thoughts and revelations don't even have to be discussed in the first place.
>enlightenment liberalism
my sides
>EU Flag
>Is a gigantic cuck
Hmmm checks out....
Freedom functionally does not exist. Any action you take creates a set of real necessary trade offs in the present moment which functionally limits real set of real decision freedom for each decision.
Enlightenment era values are based on emphasizing liberty, freedom, and personal responsibility and individualism. These are shortsighted and logically untenable.
Liberty/freedom as I've demonstrated functionally do not exist. Personal responsibility is a decent value, but shortsighted to take to the extreme, as not all things are your fault, but some are. Individualism is a suicidal ethnic survival strategy. Please see Sweden relative to collectivist Poland. See modern UK relative to Third Reich Germany, btw pic related. One can express individuality without violating the interests and common good of the collective. Emphasis on behaving as you wish due to "freedom" is basing your life's views on a necessary untruth, by virtue of the existence of tradeoffs and the logic behind decision making.
So people here like to bring up the "Skeptics" and centrists' argument that the ideas of race realism lead to genocide, and say how it's a total strawman.
Here's my question: how are they wrong? In a society as multicultural as present-day US how does white nationalism lead to anything but chaos and mass killings?
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>lights slowly begin to fade on as a silhouette of coach redpill becomes visible
...Sargon... My dear Sargon... when will you learn.
>the coach turns on a flashlight, illuminating his face from below.
Individualism. Has. failed.
>he snaps his fingers and the lights come on at full brightness
Liberalism is a disease that charges across the west like the four horses of the LGBTQQIAUPocalypse
>drone camera scans the room from above, pausing on conspicuously placed books on genderless child rearing and butt plug sizing guides.
I've got a butt plug for you Sargon. A "but" plug if you will. "But what about the enlightenment? But what about my wifes son?"
>bald spot camera zooms in on coaches bald spot
Genes are everyting Sargon. Tribes and social cohesion hinges on race. Science knows this. You know this... but you're afraid to admit it to yourself.
>camera cuts to a closeup of Coaches face
By the way Sargon. I'm going to sue you.
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sage
fuck off
I don't think you're actually Sargon, but to answer your question:
Most people here (myself included, unfortunately) have no accomplishments in their lives. We've done nothing with ourselves and essentially are a bunch of losers. We are completely without merit. We tend to drift towards identity-related movements because they are on the basis of identity, not merit.
Think about White Nationalists. Most people in that crowd don't care about personal accomplishments as much as they do being "white" (quotations here because Americans aren't white). They would gladly accept a trailer park dweller who never attended college and works a minimum wage job into their crowd before they would take a person of some other race who is university educated and has a higher job. We reject individualism because, as individuals, we are fucking losers, while as a collective, we're that scary "alt-right" movement that the media vilifies.
Our whiteness is really all we have. It's the same idea as Feminism- their gender is all they have.
>Our whiteness is really all we have
it's ironic because a lot of people aren't even white
This is either a brilliant false-flag or an extremely sad revelation.