Fascism vs NatSoc

Was Italian fascism superior to German National Socialism?

I'm talking politically and ideologically, not militarily.

>Was Italian fascism superior to German National Socialism?
>I'm talking politically and ideologically, not militarily.
Are they mutually exclusive?

yeah militarily national socialism is superior but im not to sure how italian fascism dealt with jews.
personally thats my main concern so not really to sure here.

Fascism was far superior to Nazism.

More emphasis on national cooperation, less death camps.

Germans ruin everything. It should be a good indicator when the Spaniards and Italy could run a Fascist country longer than Germany could.

National Socialism is superior, just look at the societies, systems, and ideology of National Socialist Germany.

Pretty much this.

National Socialism was superior to Italian Fascism when it was implemented in Germany and its expanded territorial sphere. Italian Fascism likewise was superior to National Socialism when it was implemented in Italy.

You're comparing two ideologies that aren't interchangeable and are organic to the nation that they formulate in. This is the thing that "NatSocs" don't get, is that National Socialism wasn't meant for everybody everywhere, it was meant for Germany and tailored to Germany. Notice how National Socialists outside of Germanic Europe try to make NS applicable to their country and their values (such as Rockwellian NS which was more capitalist and Christian-oriented). Italian Fascism similarly was tailored to Italy and their ambitions. Same with Legionarism in Romania, and Falangism in Spain.

They only existed for 13 years and most of those years were based around building a massive army and getting heavily indebt because they were banking on the fact they could win the war and null their debts via being the victor

>12 years of an aggressive regime which burned itself out in comparison to self improvement fascist societies

Italy was a fucking mess in WW2. Germany wasn't.

>The country preparing for war was better off than the country not preparing for war
Holy shit user you're incredibly intelligent

There were no death camps you fucking retard

Yeah everyone died of typhus at home.

Concentration camps are different dumbass

>I'm talking politically and ideologically, not militarily.
>Immediately starts talking about WW2 and the Holocaust
Exquisite thread.

Well Mussolini made it clear that Italy wouldn't be ready for war until 1942, by then it was too late

It's semantics.

the jews were never a main point for the Fascist party (the fact that they pretty much integrated in the Italian society and also that a lot them were also fascist played a part in this), the anti-jew legislation was enacted as a way to appease Hitler more than anything
all in all nobody really cared as long as they towed the line like everyone else

both are fairly shit but nazism is a helluva lot worse

>literally 0 death camps
>italian authorities kept germans from deporting jews in italian occupied areas because "we promised people we'd be fair rulers"
>total focus on autarchy and national cooperation
>the only "people" that got killed were c*mmies and p*rtisans
>the only force to actively fight mafia after Cavour
>*almost* completely eradicated freemasonry
>aesthetics absolutely /comfy/
Is this even a question? Nazis completely degenerated the wonderful ideals behind fascism just because Hitler was incapable of controlling his feelings

Should have never killed Benito.

There were no deathcamps. Stop eating-up Jew propaganda like Cucks because you were conditioned into believing the Lies about Hitler.

Here we have the Hyper-Individualist Bugman who was inspired by the likes of ((((Ayn Rand))). Your meme-ideology is even worse than Communism, as much as you'd like to larp as some Intellectual.

>There were no deathcamps
source that Svizra

>Hyper-Individualist Bugman who was inspired by the likes of ((((Ayn Rand)))
TIL I like Ayn Rand

The cuckest thing to do is being a nazi and denying death camps. Isn't that something a nazi would be proud about?

I guess the the Holocaust didn't happen but the Jews deserved one?

NS was better.
fascism in 20 years did less then a quarter of what NS did in germany in less then 10.
and italy was much a better country in 1920 then germany in 1930.
Ideologically mussolini was a jackass, the squadre were born before he was in politics, he unified those squads who often fought each other and that's it.
politically after the march on rome mussolini entered the government with a coalition gov together with the liberals.

the cuckest thing to do is to say the italian motto "Mussolini was a great man, until he met the bad kid:evil adolf "

Never heard of that, that's new

>source that Svizra
Haavara agreement, literally anything written by David Irving and the Zündel Trials.
I'm sure your Individualist ideology will not get destroyed by literally any Collective like the hordes of arab shitskins and the jewish-zionist banking cartel.

Oh no, i guess you're right, the evil natzeehs really gassed 6 gorillion jews and all white people should open their borders and pay reperations, because nationalism is inherently anti-semitic.

what does the Haavara agreement prove though? That some Jews were allowed to leave?

>Are they mutually exclusive?
Not inherently but if we just rate an ideology on the competence of their war industry fascism is pretty shit tier.
>Japan was technologically backwards
>Italy had a piss poor army structure
>Germany had no real surface fleet
>Lets not forget the little guys like Romania, Bulgaria, and Hungary

>Meanwhile the communist USSR fought a coalition of Germany, Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, Finland, and Hungary and defeated them, and promptly routed the Japanese from Manchuria in under 2 weeks.

>yeah militarily national socialism is superior
Is it though? How much of the German army's success can be attributed to national socialism as opposed to simply the overall state of the nation?
By 1943 Italy was fielding an army of 6 million soldiers, the German army at the same time (its peak size) had 6.5 million soldiers. This is despite the fact that Germany had a population 50% larger than Italy's and a GDP close to three times that of Italy's.

Put simply if anyone was lemming rushing it wasn't the Soviets, it was the Italians. However it is hard to blame fascism or even Mussolini for that as Italy was trying to compete with much more developed and populated nations like France and Britain, and if they couldn't beat them in industry, nor could they beat them in number of tanks or artillery the only place they could hope to get an edge was by sheer numbers and mobilizing a massive portion of their population.

Mussolini didn't even want to join the war in 1940, he didn't feel Italy was ready for war and he was right. He should have just done what Franco did and said "fuck off Hitler we might be ready for war in ten years."

das right Mediterranean superiority is undeniable once again

>There were no deathcamps
What about the Reinhard camps? Even Irving admits that.