Capitalism causes animal cruelty

What other system of distribution would allow abuse of animals like chickens and pigs to be completely normalized? Do you believe these chickens should be raised like this?

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I am agnostic.
If you care about chickens being free range, any grocery store I see these days has a free range meat option.
What's your problem? Do you just not want poor people to have access to meat?

having thought about this myself i say that the most efficient way is hunting & gathering

This. Being an agnostic moderate solves most of the world's problems. OP should take his silly radical politics to another board, like perhaps .

Raising animals for meat doesn't need to react to the free market. It leads to situations like the OP pic. Meat isn't even necessary for survival. It should be rationed out by a governing body. Someone buying free range meat won't stop any of this factory farming.

Holy fuck for a second there i thought i was still on a legitimate news website

i'd blame that on hungry people....

Ahhwww, pooor birdies
>better eat more soy instead

Animal Ag would collapse without 50 billion in government subsidies.
The system is under socialism.
CAPITALISM WOULD MAKE ANIMAL COLLAPSE YOU DUMB FUCK.

>not eating meat is radical
>a substance which is literally poison for you, you don't need to live, and causes torture of animals from complete lack of regulations

This is just unfettered capitalism taken to its final step. Welfare of people and animals are not considered. Do you believe something raised in a factory farm belongs on yours, or anyone's dinner plate?

doesnt look any worse than an anime convention. how is this abuse?

Excuse me? What do you mean soy doesn’t have rights?

Euuh not real capitalism.

Commies aren’t people. They’re rather poor people starve so they can preserve their pie in the sky ideals.

It's more an evil people problem. Subhumans - many of them on this board - don't mind animal cruelty regardless of the system. Some places and epochs are/were less "efficient" in their evilness rather than less evil.

Sorry, I will eat only Haitian mud cakes

never not a stupid poster

Under "real" capitalism only the 1% would eat meat and dairy.
Animal ag is an extraordinarily wasteful system. Even with our advanced economy the costs of animal ag are beyond anything a market can sustain.
Gout used to be known as a king's disease.
Now every commoner can know the consequences of humans not being able to process uric acid.

That's the issue. The suppliers are reacting to the demand, and without regulation, the goal of maximizing profit and minimizing costs leads to situations like factory farming and gestation crates. Nobody would starve if this practice was regulated because meat isn't necessary to survive. At worst the price of meat would jump a few dollars and it would price some people out of the market of buying it.

Apologise for your whiteness. You are earing mudcakes which could go to feeding africans.

>Raising animals for meat doesn't need to react to the free market

Oh centralized planning of food production? I bet that never resulted in 1) controlling food distribution for political power 2) resulted in millions of people starving.

Geez I feel like there's several modern examples of this...

>Someone buying free range meat won't stop any of this factory farming

Actually if you and enough other people only buy free range it would change factory farming.

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Actually it’s overpopulation but keep bitching about capitalism

I don't want anyone to have access to meat. The opportunity cost for meat production is not worth whatever value it provides consumers. Keeping meat affordable for the "poor" actually meas keeping it affordable for fat first worlders sucking on the tit of welfare capitalism, while the third world starves because they can't afford grain or water.

You’re not going to get ”real” capitalism because it only exists in theory.

I will hang myself now, sorry for my existence :(((

Have you seen what Chinese zoos look like? And you're complaining about capitalist chicken farms?
Pic related is a bear. I know it's hard to tell.
The Chinese don't treat them very well. Can't imagine what they do to the chickens.

I'd kill someone if they banned meat.

What does regulating the meat industry have to do with communism you stupid bloated fuck?

It's not an evil people problem. I don't believe the owners of the factory farms are evil--they are doing what they need to to survive in a competitive environment where cramming chickens in sheds by the thousands is needed to give affordable meat.

Is affordable meat necessary? If you implemented a quota to stave off animal cruelty, would that be a fair trade-off?

>cruelty
>to animals
???

How about you look at how animals are treated in CHYNA?

kek

>Do you believe something raised in a factory farm belongs on yours, or anyone's dinner plate?
yes

Unless you want to hunt daily or eat only plants you can fuck off.

Nobody starves from a lack of meat you tard. How many times do I have to go over this?

What else is causing chickens and pigs to be crammed into unsanitary and hostile conditions by the thousands? What is it if not supply and demand? Is there some other mysterious force I'm not privy to that you, wise sagely fatass, are?

Stop conflating the cause of veganism with your anti-capitalist, SJW bullshit you faggot!
Under no circumstances could capitalism sustain an animal ag industry.
Our food production system is under socialism and big oil globalist cronyism. Not capitalism you dumb fuck. You fucking dumb fuck.
>Look at subsidy dollars
>Look at costs the government takes on cleaning up after animal ag

have you ever interracted with chickens?

don't be fooled by their apperance

they are fucking brutal cruel creatures, even to each other

they are basically modern mini-velociraptors

fuck them

>Actually if you and enough other people only buy free range it would change factory farming.

No it wouldn't. There is enough demand from the poor for cheap meat that this will never be the case. Free range meat alone will never meet the demands of the public for meat.

We were magnitudes closer to it during the time of Andrew Jackson for hundred years, up until the Jew oil monopolists took over medicine, money, education, energy, etc.

I haven't looked into it because I'm not a pussy who cries about animals being raised for food, but I'm sure the subsidies are probably necessary for the government's own regulation and fucked up trade agreements.

>I don't want anyone to have access to meat.
That's not your decision. Obviously it is a biologically and morally superior choice to not consume flesh with putrifying blood and lymphatic fluids in it, but that's for people to find out themselves.
Not for you to use men in uniforms with guns to enforce what you think is right and wrong and then call yourself moral.
Do you see where you're going wrong here?

Ireland is capitalist and all our meat is free range.
Greedy Jews cause animal cruelty but you would never call them out because you are a good goy.

pretty much this
every animal is a vicious little shit that only cares about themselves so the humans of centuries past said "fuck you you little shit" and did this to them

>Haven't looked into it
>Makes bullshit assumptions in public
>Is a faggot nobody should pay attention to by own admission
The industry would collapse without socialist handouts.
It's only propped up because Big Oil and the Jews made you fat and stupid and want to keep you that way. Look into the takeover of education and medicine while the Jews were taking over the banking system, nigger.

>It should be rationed out by a governing body.
>communism is NOT when the government does stuff

>a large group of beings being being mass together
>being lorded over by some entity
>controlling every aspect of their lives
>lives of the many are sacrificed the the greater good of the entity
Isn't this socialism and communism at its purist? They even have the feminism, the cruelty, the starvation, and the wait lines for food

Of course comrade! How can there be animal cruelty when there is no food, let alone animals? Communism is truly spectacular!

>SJW
How to spot a retard: he calls advocates of those who don't want to see animals beaten and tortured for food a "SJW" or "vegan" neither of which I am. what a fucking fag.

>Under no circumstances could capitalism sustain an animal ag industry.

What does that have to do with cramming livestock by the thousands in unsanitary and shit conditions in order to meet a price and supply dictated by the market? That's literally the definition of capitalism.

i could care less about pigs chicken and cows as long as my dinner taste good

Banning meat wouldn't work. It'd just create black markets where animals are treated even worse, and turn meat into a forbidden fruit and luxury item for the wealthy.

We'll give it the same treatment as cigarettes. Heavily regulate packaging, advertising, branding. Run anti-meat eating propaganda campaigns. Ban meat eating in public areas. Teach the truth about the meat industry in schools. Place stringent regulations on its distribution and tax the shit out of it. And of course, do these slowly so that meat eaters never really notice what is happening until they've replaced 9 out of 10 meals with vegan options.

And since it's not addictive like cigarettes we'll likely see meat eating end within a generation. Our kid's kids wouldn''t even understand why old people like to kill and eat the flesh of other creatures.

And there will be enough grain and water for all 10 billion of us.

>i have never seen a group of birds
fucking kill yourself

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>Not for you to use men in uniforms with guns to enforce what you think is right and wrong and then call yourself moral.

You don't need to get rid of meat, just implement a quota so that there is a supply such that raising the animals is humane. Less meat is literally better in every sense for everybody and everything.

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Meat eaters use men in uniforms with knives and airguns to enforce what you think is right and wrong on animals. Hiding behind the guise of "personal choice" while stealing grain and water from the mouths of the world's poor to feed their meat habit.

I'm merely acting in the defense of others, and thus justified. Plus, it won't likely require hurting anyone anyway

You are both wrong. While chickens can be aggressive they usually have a reaskn like protecting food or their young and they have no ill intent behind their actions, so don't label them with human behavior terms.

Further more, each chiclen (applies to ducks, geese, turkeys) has its own character, habits, moods even people and places it likes. Now I know how this sounds to someone that wants ti be edgy online, but trust me, I have been a farmer all my life - chickens have feelings. It has been proven by sciencrific methods rhey have empathy.

Treat them well when you are raising the., there is no need to be cruel and there is also no need to be a vegan shitter. Respect your animals.

Unfortunately as long as there are low IQ poorfags there will always be factory farming. You can't convince a sub 80 IQ nigger that chickens have feelings.

I admitted I haven't looked into it, you don't need to say it. You're also not explaining why it needs subsidies since you're so knowledgeable about it. Are you saying there is no government regulation that forces farms to do certain things certain ways?

You're advocating the state seizing the means of production, taking control of farming and deciding who and when people get meat

That is terrifying. I don't even want to think about it. I'm avoiding meat.

The subsidies are mostly for the soy and corn feed.

Stop telling other people how to live.
They have agency and better know hot to live their lives than you do.

I would have thought that Marxists would be okay with this.

Maybe it's only okay when it happens to people.

>Capitalism causes animal cruelty

Then explain these exact same scenes happening in socialist countries.

pic is u and your logic.
its always the people who dont know a fucking thing about health and nutrition that get on this SAVE MUH STARVING NIGGERS kick.

But watch photos and videos on how life stock are treated in the us or in leaf town. Makes me sick.

This problem can only be solved with technology. Lab grown meat will eventually replicate the taste of meat just fine and it is already nearly cheaper to produce.
Down from $200K per patty to $11.
It's going to be fine, animals just have to ride it out a little longer, although a tiny fraction of the animals alive today will be bred which asks the questions is it better to be born for consumption and live for 4 years or never be born at all?

what is nutrient density

>I am underage and never seen one of the hundreds of documentaries on the meat industry
You first :)

Arguing about factory farming is like arguing about drunk driving.

It's a problem that's already solved. All we need is a few years for the technology to become mainstream.

WHY WONT MY PIC UPLOAD

>Amerimutt IQ

What really causes animal cruelty is overpopulation you dumb fuck.
Capitalism works fine if the world is not fucking overpopulated...

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Apathy is what causes it.
People don't care. Why would I care about what happens to chickens? They're so stupid you can cut their head off and they'll still function.
They're so stupid you can't have a lowered area to feed chickens, because if it starts raining they'll just stand there until the area is flooded and drown to death, instead of stepping to higher ground

>capitalism is a system of morality
>just like Marxism

You used to not see free range in supermarkets, because of consumer demand you see it now. If people only bought that, that's all you would see. Under central planning you would not have this possibility for change since your only option would be whatever the government rations out to you.

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Everyone wins.

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Capitalism didn't cause this, plutocratic corporatism did. Please stop spreading your fundamental misunderstanding of Capitalism on the internet.
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There is a pic of pigs in home made cages, just metal wrapped around the pigs, they can't move, just eat and grow. It's horrifying.

>They don't have meat in communist countries
not really helping the starvation meme there underaged

This nigger knows.

Had a hearty kek, thanks for that

Yes. I can think of no other way to solve the problem of animal torture and cruelty other than some collective voluntary movement to stop eating less/no meat (never going to happen. Pic related, male chicks discarded because they can't be raised efficiently for meat like females can.

Subsidies exist to consolidate power over the food market by megacorporations. Its another case of boomers fucking the next generation for lower costs when they go to the store.

What benefits society will get by treating farm animals better? None. It's all in your head, it doesn't have any footprint on ecology. Go be useless somewhere else.

We need to take these idiots down, fucking psychopaths

>MUHNCAPZ!!!

We need less people and smaller communities. There's no spiritual fulfilment in large society.

sucks to be an animal I guess

>no true Scotsman

>muh communism

meat is tasty didnt read lol

They are a product. A thing produced for consumption.
There isn't much difference between one of those chickens and a stapler.

>what benefits

Not causing suffering needlessly? Why torture living things?

I raise and slaughter my own animals, but they never suffer. They live better than the nigs in Africa.

>cave people were poor so that means we don't have an effect on each other today

>not real Capitalism

>Do you believe these chickens should be raised like this?
Who cares? They're just a natural resource.

Food animals have no more ethical significance than rocks or trees.

How the product is made is irrelevant to me. Its the price and quality that matters to me
I'm sure the same thing applies to you. You don't look shocked at how batteries are manafactured, or care about the environmental impact of the acids they are using

In the early 19th century the government still used protectionism and excise taxes to encourage domestic growth and influence the country's economy. There's never been a "true" capitalist system with no government to work behind it. Unless you count Somalia, of course.

>Isn't this socialism and communism at its purist? They even have the feminism, the cruelty, the starvation, and the wait lines for food
epic meme XD