Nietzsche

Name a better philosopher

Pro-tip: you can’t.

He literally BTFO’d every other philosopher before and after.

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He gave birth to fascism and to Hitler. They got BTFO'd by us British. Any Brit is therefore better than Nietzsche, philosopher or not

Any how exactly did he give birth to them loathsome forms of being?
I’d stay he didn’t give birth but predicted them.

The got BTFO'd by the Russians - the Britfags were getting their asses handed to them. If it was Germany vs Britain one on one there would have been no contest. But nice try at rewriting history faggot.

Paracelsus
Pythagoras
Plato
Hegel
Hermes Thrice Great

>He literally BTFO’d every other philosopher before and after.

truth

Have you read Nietzsche? He was the first to basically explain how all the philosophers before where trying to articulate/organise the world and being itself based on how they are as individuals, not as living beings. He also came up with how we are not rational beings but living beings not are immoral but trying to be rational moral beings. No philosopher as I can recall came up with such a devasting idea of humanity. Maybe Carl Jung with the shadow self is the equal, but even then Jung learned from Nietzsche.

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Great name by the way, at last a based boomer.

No way, Nietzsche is a fun read, is like watching a rekt thread on \b\ after reading a thread on \lit\.

Totally lacks a coherent metaphysic system so his work crumbles after a rigorous review.

Martin Heidegger

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I have, but compared to the people I posted Nietsche is just beginner stuff. It's what you read when you first enter college and think you've got life figured out. Not saying he's bad, but he cannot be compared to the giants of history.

He didnt live as he teached

Also philosophy is completely useless

>the "look at me" ~esoteric~ meme list

Hegel blows fag

Kierkegaard > Nietzsche

I understand your stance, but I don’t go to college so that idea is out haha. I first read the basics like Plato, Aristotle and Socrates, but Nietzsche really touched a nerve, as I said before he explained how being itself was, which the greats (which they are) really didn’t get to grips with compared to him. Aristotle is personal favourite from the Greek times, but due to death of god as Nietzsche himself put it, which lead up to two world wars and the decaying on the western world, I think is much more fascinating. After all he based most of his philosophy on people like Plato before becoming one himself.

He was severely ill throughout his life was he not? I don’t think he was even capable of doing so.

>Nietzsche gave birth to fascism and to Hitler
I will never understand how a person can be this stupid.
Nietzsche was the complete opposite of fascism and nazism, he despised nationalists and antisemitism. He also hated socialism and nazism is national socialism.

I used to be a philosophy major. Nietzsche was a hack. No one has taken him seriously since the thirties.

He only crops up on pop culture because normies are brainlets.

Nietzsche wasn't a philosopher.

The Concept of Anxiety is brilliant like, I give you that.

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>He literally BTFO’d every other philosopher before and after.
That is literally Spengler.

This.
Even though i believe he disliked nationalists based on the belief that they have replaced god with the state. Nations, like yours is now based Pole he wouldn’t mind.

Explain how he was a hack then.

They are very similar user! Nietzsche as I explained before though broke the mold on being a philosopher, analysing how different philosophers interpret the world but not realising they are interpreting themselves.

>not reading Kant, Plato and Schopenhauer(based) before reading Nietzsche
This is how a brainlet proceeds: "Nietzsche le god is ded" -> watch school of life videos "I get it me so smurt, I am now a nihilist" (fuck normalfags, they are the reason we are in our current mess)

The only issue I have with this meme graphic is that Schopenhauer was a for-sure INFJ, not an INTP. Even on celebritytypes.com/infj they mention it. But it's so very apparent

Kant is an INTP though. Literally an autist that was irrecoverably BTFO by Heidegger

Does Carl Jung count as a philosopher?

Schopenhauer was first

>projecting
I have read Plato, admit it not the other two. I didn’t claim once I was smart or anyway smarter then anyone. I simply pointing out how Nietzsche done things that no other philosopher done before, examining how Philosophers try to articulate or interpret the world but are actually articulating/interpreting themselves.

Nietzsche influence Spengler but Spengler managed to go beyond. He even realized Nietzsche's philosophy was still part of the faustian civilization.

Depends how you wanna look at it.
You could argue he approached psychology from a philosophers perspective.

I don’t know to be honest thats a tough one. Jung’s interpretation of the shadow self is ground breaking though to say the least.

Well pointed out user.

Pythagoras

>We all gonna die
>Nothing means anything
Isn't this the philosphy of the wrist cutting attention seekers? I think they are also as stupid as Nietzsche.
So, why aren't you cutting your wrists? The world would make a profit.

"I have found the missing link between higher ape and civilized man. It is we." - Konrad Lorenz

karl marx

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Try harder next time.

>In this matter of morale, Western mankind, without exception, is under the influence of an immense optical illusion. Everyone demands something of the rest. We say “thou shalt” in the conviction that so-and-so in fact will, can and must be changed, fashioned, or arranged conformably to the order, and our belief both in the efficacy of, and in our title to give, such orders are unshakable. That, and nothing short of it, is, for us, morale. In the ethics of the West everything is direction, claim to power, will to affect the distant.

>On this point, Luther and Nietzsche, the popes and the darwinists, the socialists and the jesuits, are on perfect agreement.

>For one and all, the beginning of morale is a claim to general and permanent validity. He who thinks or teaches “otherwise” is sinful, a backslider, a foe, and he is fought down without mercy. You “shall,” the state “shall,” society “shall”—this form of morale is to us self-evident; it represents the only real meaning that we can attach to the word.

Kierkegaard

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>Claims to be above human morality
>Popular with leftist and Jews because he undermines tradition allowing them to spread degeneracy
>Published autist
>If you read him he sounds like someone scribbling on his asylum wall with his own feces
>Despite being beyond simple concepts good and evil goes insane over seeing a peddler beating his horse.
>Ultimate modern philosopher, speaks a bunch of autistic non-sense and gets called a genius by whoever wants to be free of morality.

>Name a better philosopher
Well heres the thing
You could have say, a historical family tree of philosophers going from the ancient Greeks into modern philosophy, you can completely leave Nietzsche out of that tree, and you won't have any gaps
He doesn't offer very much in term of the history of thought if you think about it that way
However, unlike others who could be left out of that tree, you're absolutely missing out if you choose to skip Nietzsche
He is a philosophical anomaly. There was never one before quite like him and there hasn't been one since.
He looked into the psychology of his contemporary society and rightly predicted where the death of god was leading, an observation that was truly original.
In the end though, he wasn't able to answer the question he raised, which boils down to, "So what now?"
All other philosophers will go down as a spoke on the wheel of thought, Nietzsche will go down as the man who said "we need a new wheel."

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And democracy
Oh and the one thing he hated more than anti-Semites?
Jews
But if your saying that a reading of his work can't be thought of as leading to or inspiring fascism and antisemitism, you're a dirty apologist.

That’s not an argument.

>nazism is national socialism

Sorry, who said that? If it is Nietzsche I don’t remember seeing that I gotta be honest.

He conveyed his philosophy in aphorisms and stories. He used western myth characters- the west's oldest memes, to convey meaning. It's easy to like, but there's a bunch of people out there that end up discovering the will to power, using their own words.

It was not directly a personal insult. It was an insult against Nietsche.

I see what you mean perfectly. Great analysis, you actually get it.
The what now question is perhaps the rescusing of the ultimate dead father as Jordan Peterson would put it. The ultimate dead father being God.

it is. In communism rich give "means of production" to poor. In nazism - other races give everything to masterrace. It's all based on stealing in order to give it away (and usually keeping most of stolen things for leaders)

Just like ukrainian oligarchy. You should know better.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
>National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism

how does it feel to have a peanut brain?

Either way user, you didn’t make any points. It was just an emotional outburst of nonsense. If you back it up with reason and evidence maybe the discussion would go somewhere else. Don’t anacaps know this?

Ann rand, duh

Fascists and proto-fascist like Mussolini and Sorel was inspired by Nietzsche, that is a fact, but Nietzsche himself never dare to embrace or establish a political philosophy or doctrine.
>He also hated socialism and nazism is national socialism.
What are you talking about? He died before national socialism even exists. But I agree on he probably would dislike natsocs though.

Only misinterpretation of his work can inspire fascism or antisemitism.

>Jews
Could you please link me any sources, quotes or his works where he says that he hates, dislikes, despises or whatever jews?

Spengler.
godsplan.org.uk/soul3.htm
This:
>On this point, Luther and Nietzsche, the popes and the darwinists, the socialists and the jesuits, are on perfect agreement.
is not on the link though. I have to translated it from my copy.

I didn't say that he hated national socialism. I said that he hated socialism and nazism is in fact national socialism.

>Fascists and proto-fascist like Mussolini and Sorel was inspired by Nietzsche
They clearly didn’t read enough of him then did they.

Facts about Neet-she:
* Was Gay
* Was Neet
* Hated Wagner because of RW "racist" views
* Materialist
* SJW who died when he saw someone whip a horse
These facts are irrefutably true. Please don't jump on back wagons because your commie teacher told you NEETSHE was "edgy"

>... he who has not mastered the Kantian philosophy, whatever else he may have studied, is, as it were, in a state of innocence ; that is to say, he remains in the grasp of that natural and childish realism in which we are all born, and which fits us for everything possible, with the single exception of philosophy. Such a man then stands to the man who knows the Kantian philosophy as a minor to a man of full age.

>Could you please link me any sources, quotes or his works where he says that he hates, dislikes, despises or whatever jews?
es, the whole book entitled The AntiChrist
Neitzsche admired Jews, he really did, but he admired them in the same way a biologist admires a parasite. With protective gear as to not be infected.
>Only misinterpretation of his work can inspire fascism or antisemitism.
True
So, you know the correct interpretation I take it?
Even though he obviously haven't read The Anti Christ?
When it comes to Nietzsche, there are only interpretations, he worked tirelessly to ensure of that.

Jung was full of shit too. There is no proof of "shadow" or "the dark side". Therd is only your conscious and your choises. His work is just like Freuds, not based on reality but still taught as truth.

The 16 personalities test is also shit. You cant put personalities in a little boxes like that

Oh I see. I don’t know user, as you know a lot of things are different in real life then they are as words. I seriously doubt he would like socialism, as it turned out to be one the of the most barbaric periods of humanity.

It’s a metaphor behind the shadow that is true. Well true to the human spirit it seems.

Honestly some of his ideas are... dubious but he's an absolute joy to read. The way he writes is poetic and beautiful but also deeply shocking, transgressive, and frankly violent.

One of my personal favourite pieces of his writing is his attack on Socrates in Twilight of the Idols. This is basically what he says
1. Socrates was ugly
2. He was a pervert
3. Dialectical argumentation is for beta fags

>an emotional outburst of nonsense
>says I didn’t made any points
An emotional outburst, you say. Not really.
I compared Nietzsche with wirst cutting childs.

>There is no proof of "shadow" or "the dark side".
Its not meant like that
When it comes to psychology, or rather psychotherapy, its not so much about what's true, but what's effective
If a certain outlook or perspective can be useful in treatment, it's used until a better framework can be worked out.
Plebs read that shit and get uber religious over it, but hey, to each his own.

Oh, he obviously hated christianity and judaism as a whole, but he didn't hate jews the way Hitler did.

Also, you are correct that Nietzsche didn't believe in 'fact' and there only are interpretations, but it doesn't mean that you can say Nietzsche inspired nazism and defend it by saying that no interpretation is fully true etc.

Haha fair enough. He did describe his philosopher as if he went at it with a hammer. I think it means he basically wants to see if it has any substance to it.

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>Not merely a master race whose sole task is to rule, but a race with its own sphere of life, with an excess of life, with an excess of strength for beauty, bravery, culture, manners to the highest peak of the spirit

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He only hated the new testament. Was a big fan of the OT

*blocks your path*
*teleports behind you*
*unspooks katana*
Heh, nothing personell, my property.

Hoppe

Retards like you poorly interpreting his philosophy, and his cunt sister and her husband led to fascism and Hitler. He did not.

Is debatable but the fact someone reads and studies a philosopher doesn't means he is going to arrive to a specific conclusion or take all what he read as true. Is about interpretation and personal "taste", so to speak. For example, Stirner and Marx were hegelians, but both ended having strongly different ideas.

Is comparing Nietzsche with wirst cutting childs as you put it a point? Even if it is one, it’s a dumb one.

That is true.

john gray

>but he didn't hate jews the way Hitler did.
did anyone? kek
But you're on the right track. He didn't hate a Jew for being a Jew
But, to imply he hated anti-Semites because of some reverence for Jews, is willfully ignorant and not only not supported by text, but demolished by it.
He thought that anti-Semites were missing the point, and Jews aren't some race to be killed, but rather overcome intellectually. Until man can put himself in a moral position as to not be undermined by the Jew, he will alwayss be undermined by the Jew, and deserves it, was Nietzsche's take on it IMO
He thought The Jew was to be overcome intellectually, because to kill them yet still champion their morality, is to not move forward.
So IMO, he wasn't an anti-anti-Semite, he was the uberantisemite.
He wanted to create a morality from which the Jew can not survive.
> but it doesn't mean that you can say Nietzsche inspired nazism
I wouldn't go so far as to say that, but to ignore how The WIll to Power and The Ubermensch inspired the Nazis is to be willfully ignorant and is a 20th century apologist stance that we here in the 21st century need to outgrow since our sensibilities aren't as delicate as the post war academics.

>says I didn't made any point
>didn’t make any points against my statement

I actually think the academic establishment tends to UNDERSTATE the degree to which his philosophy can be linked to nazism. Obviously he wouldn't have like Hitler because he disliked antisemitism and German nationalism, but it's not hard to connect a few dots

He was a strong believer in hierarchy, and not in a nice Christian way - he literally believed most people should be slaves and tools of the master race

He said this:
>In order that there may be institutions, there must be a kind of will, instinct, or imperative, which is anti-liberal to the point of malice: the will to tradition, to authority, to responsibility for centuries to come, to the solidarity of chains of generations, forward and backward ad infinitum.

He believed that every individual and every people derived its worth from long lines of breeding and hard work over generations - he didn't mean it racially but it's not exactly hard to take it that way

He extolled historic warrior aristocracies, sometimes seemed to relish them violently dominating society and other tribes

He seemed to be relatively open to things like torture and public executions. He did not shun violence, even extreme and gratuitous violence

And lastly like Hitler he thought that Christianity had made Europeans meek and weak

I believe I said
>Is comparing Nietzsche with wirst cutting childs as you put it a point?

To avoid confusions, when Spengler talks about "socialism" isn't talking about a economic or politic doctrine. He use the term to designate the western ethics. Basically marxism, utilitarism, anarchism, liberalism, etc, are socialist in the ethical sense of the word.

Whilst British analytical philosophy is better than European idealism, as it deals with tangible concepts and ideas, your point makes no sense and is shit.

He was talking about Nietzsche hating socialism, and how, because of Nazism being National Socialism, he would hate Nazism too.

Oh okay, I understand.

>in the ethical sense of the word.
That’s the problem isn’t it?

>Asks me to bring a point, but attacks just mine point and didn't bring a point
>tips fedora

Nice English.

>If you read him he sounds like someone scribbling on his asylum wall with his own feces
Pretty accurate

It really depend in your point of view. Spengler task is not find a problem. For him, socialism is a symptom of our times and the result of western decline.

By your logic, Marx blew him the fuck out because Germany was beaten by the Soviets, and the Soviets were Marxist-Leninist Communists.

>socialism is a symptom of our times
Without understanding your own capacity for evil, it’ll be the problem not the symptom.
Plus socialism is for losers.

What the actual fuck have I just read?

His works are satire

>retard voice + picture autowins arguments
the fucking state of pol memes lol

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