Who pulls the strings. Bible Study on The Whore of Babylon

ok fellow Christian LARPers pull out your bibles.

lets once and for all use the scriptures given to us by the canonical Bible to identify the Whore of Babylon.

Can Sup Forums once and for all prove or disprove that the Roman Catholic Church is not Christ's church, indeed the Whore of Babylon who is drunk on the blood of saints.

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>Can Sup Forums once and for all prove or disprove that the Roman Catholic Church is not Christ's church, indeed the Whore of Babylon who is drunk on the blood of saints.
THIS ^^^ AGREED. VATICAN IS EVIL!

how does the average christian prove to the average catholic that it is the whore of babylon using the bible as the foundation of the argument.

become born again

Maybe this:

been tackling this for a while. pastor at my new church said something to me about the works i'm going to do after "the holy spirit gets a hold of me" seeing as though its currently seeking me out.

Whore of babylon is a complex lead by jezebel. The whore will be clothed in purple, and guess who is doing so recently a lot? Hillary is jezebel, i believe trump to be elijah

The whore of babylon is the counter-church of the end times, that pretends to be the real Catholic church. Lurk moar. Several fathers warned us bout this, including Fulton Sheen.

>Whore of babylon is a complex lead by jezebel.

Did Jesus give some Protestant loser the keys (plural) of the Kingdom, or did he give Peter the keys (plural) of the Kingdom?

...

1) he gave all the apostles the keys in matthew 18
2) even then the keys were used and the kingdom was opened at Pentecost.
3) the name "church of christ" is actually found nowhere in the bible, the Church Christ started was a Church to his Father, not to himself.
4) James in Jerusalem is actually the leader of the apostles, not Peter.
5) Peter never established a Church in Rome.
6) calling Martin Luther a "protestant loser" isn't really an argument, especially considering the churches doctrines (which still has never changed by the way) he spoke against. really, answer this one, can you in all intellectual and spiritual honesty tell me its OK for the Catholic Church to sell an indulgence, a permission slip to sin? and are you aware that the Catholic Church still gives out indulgences?
7) are you aware that it is a crime punishable by death to read or translate the bible in the vernacular language? and having a geneva bible meant you would be pretty much burned at the stake

incase you haven't noticed, persecution and apostasy has been happening since Adam got kicked from the garden of Eden. the "counter church" or antichrist has been around since near the beginning of time.

Gods church is not universal, and Christ's Kingdom is "not of this world", and Christ never started a church dedicated to himself, Church of Christ is found NOWHERE in the bible, the actual name of the church he started is "Church to God" (God his father)

there have been many people who can classify as a Jezebel, a female spirit who controls and chastises male spirits. read the letters to the churches in revelation carefully, a church is scoloded for "tolerating that harlot jezebel"

why did you leave out the part where it describes her as also being clothed in scarlet, being adorned in jewels and having a golden cup, drunk on the blood of the witnesses of christ. its not fair to do what you did

biblehub.com/revelation/17-4.htm

i have all of those. but that isn't a biblical argument.

He gave Peter the keys. He built his Church on Peter. He told Peter to feed his sheep.
Peter was recognized by all as the leader of the Apostles.
You don't kmow what indulgences are, but yes, it is within the authoirty of the Church to sell indulgences. Peter was given the power to bind and loose. Indulgences are not absolutions, they don't wipe out sin.
The Catholic church had punlished dozens of German verbacular Bibles before Luther was even born.

Learn some history, m8

I'm missing number 2 and last one I have is number 6.
If you can post from your collection I would love to have them.

>but that isn't a biblical argument.
Yes, I agree, sorry I don't have time now to post 'verbal' arguments on the topic, but posted those to give a bump and some exposure of the evil vatican.

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>Peter was recognized by all as the leader of the Apostles.

no he wasn't.

>You don't kmow what indulgences are, but yes, it is within the authoirty of the Church to sell indulgences.
yes, i actually do know what they are, and no, it is absolutely in no ones authority to give permission to sin, or sell it. every sin adds to the suffering Christ experienced on the Cross.

>Peter was given the power to bind and loose.
so were the rest of the apostles in matthew 18
so was every single person who believes in Him

12Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in My name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.

Anything i ask for in His name Jesus will do it.

>my skyman story is better than your skyman story. It's all right here in my interpretation of this book and the teachings of my elders. I reject your interpretations and the teachings of your elders.

How do you lot even finish a debate?

The Council of Toulouse, which met in November of 1229, about the time of the crusade against the Albigensians, set up a special ecclesiastical tribunal, or court, known as the Inquisition (Lat. inquisitio, an inquiry), to search out and try heretics. Twenty of the forty-five articles decreed by the Council dealt with heretics and heresy. It ruled in part:

Canon 1. We appoint, therefore, that the archbishops and bishops shall swear in one priest, and two or three laymen of good report, or more if they think fit, in every parish, both in and out of cities, who shall diligently, faithfully, and frequently seek out the heretics in those parishes, by searching all houses and subterranean chambers which lie under suspicion. And looking out for appendages or outbuildings, in the roofs themselves, or any other kind of hiding places, all which we direct to be destroyed.

Canon 6. Directs that the house in which any heretic shall be found shall be destroyed.

Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.

why did the catholic church go from town to town to exterminate the Cathars and Waldensians?

usually by sperging out about the Flat and Stationary center of the universe Earth. and how the catholic church is in a massive conspiracy hiding the shape of the earth. you're cucked by the catholic church's agent Copernicus and you don't even know it.

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THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH user.

have to go out in 10 min,but I hope you will have nice thread going

This is where we are in the current timeline.

>The End of the Gentile Times

1914 according to Jehovah's Witnesses is the end of Gentile Rule over Christians. All verses in pic related.

>Jesus and the Angels kick Satan and his demons out of heaven in 1914. Gets casted down to Earth. (Re 12:7-12)

>The Last Days and the attitudes of people in the last days.

(Matthew 24:3) “Tell us, When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?”

Jesus said that his presence would be signified with...

(Matthew 24:7) “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.

(Luke 21:11)...in one place after another pestilences...

(Matthew 24:12) and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off.

>The earth would be ruined and polluted.

“Bring to ruin those ruining the earth.” (Revelation 11:18)

>The message is officially spread of his coming and his Kingdom.

“This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”—Matt. 24:14.

>The Announcement of Peace and Security

“Whenever it is that they are saying: ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them.”—1 Thess. 5:3.

>The Great Tribulation

>Armageddon

We are currently in the pangs of distress Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24 which is part of the last days. We are not in the Great Tribulation. Where we are is in the moment right before they announce peace and security. They are going to announce a word wide call of Peace & Security in some way. Then the Great Tribulation then Armageddon.

Right now we are in Peace & Security. There is going to be an announcement of worldwide Peace and Security soon. Then when that happens the Great Tribulation will begin.

For those of you unware right after Peace & Security comes The Great Tribulation. But what is the Tribulation? It is the destruction of Babylon the Great. Or the Harlot that rides the wild beast. This is the world empire of all religion in the world. Basically, God is going to manipulate the "Kings" of the Earth to all together simultaneously turn against all mass religion and destroy it and devour it.

This is what you all need to know.

>Babylon The Great
wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000531

>Great Tribulation
wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/120000447

Basically, in a quick summary. Babylon the Great is the entire collective of false religion in the world. The "kings" of the Earth are going to manipulated by Jehovah God himself and be made to turn on all religion in the world. That event IS the Great Tribulation. Because of the mass amount of loyalty towards religion it will be another world war. Only instead of King vs King it will be Pastors, Monks, Clerics, and fellow believers against the Kings and militiaries of the world. It will be religious believers against nationalist/secularist. The Nationalist/secularist will win. They will take all the churches/temples, properties, money, money vaults, EVERYTHING from them. Then after that it will be Armageddon. During this time God and Christ will let their presence finally be known. NOBODY will be able to deny him anymore. Then Armageddon.

>Celibacy

That's the Catholic Church. What does the Bible say about celibacy?

>(1 Corinthians 9:5) We have authority to lead about a sister as a wife, even as the rest of the apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas, do we not?

>(1 Timothy 3:2) The overseer should therefore be irreprehensible, a husband of one wife, moderate in habits, sound in mind, orderly, hospitable, qualified to teach,

>(1 Timothy 3:12) Let ministerial servants be husbands of one wife, presiding in a fine manner over children and their own households.

>(Titus 1:6) if there is any man free from accusation, a husband of one wife, having believing children that were not under a charge of debauchery nor unruly.

>(Colossians 2:23) Those very things are, indeed, possessed of an appearance of wisdom in a self-imposed form of worship and [mock] humility, a severe treatment of the body; but they are of no value in combating the satisfying of the flesh.

>>Idolization of Mary/Saints

You're not supposed to do that. That is using icons as mediators to God. God already arranged a mediator for you.

>(Hebrews 12:24) and Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and the blood of sprinkling, which speaks in a better way than Abel’s [blood].

>(1 Timothy 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

>(Hebrews 9:15) So that is why he is a mediator of a new covenant, in order that, because a death has occurred for [their] release by ransom from the transgressions under the former covenant, the ones who have been called might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance.

>(Hebrews 8:6) But now [Jesus] has obtained a more excellent public service, so that he is also the mediator of a correspondingly better covenant, which has been legally established upon better promises.

You can't pray to Mary because that is still bypassing the true mediator which is Jesus.

>Pope

There is no Pope in the Bible. All the Apostles are equal.

>I reject your interpretations and the teachings of your elders.

also unironically enough this is what the bible and Christ tells you to do.

> It's all right here in my interpretation of this book and the teachings of my elders

this unironically enough is how the established religious structure of pharisees tied to use as its basis for executing Christ.

you're kind of like an idiot that says divinely inspired things.

1914 according to Jehovah's Witnesses is the end of Gentile Rule over Christians. All verses in pic related.

>Jesus and the Angels kick Satan and his demons out of heaven in 1914. Gets casted down to Earth. (Re 12:7-12)

i know for a fact this is wrong because 1/3 of the stars of heaven would have fallen down with him. and demons aren't in heaven, nor do they have any access there, its all angels of their ranks and the Elohim (read Psalm 82 carefully)

the things that get casted out of heaven are angels, and you would do well to understand the difference.

you're deceived bro. and you've just tried to derail my thread. you are wrong and quite frankly have no idea of where we are in the timeline. and i know this because i don't have any idea where we are in the timeline.

also the woman giving birth is mentioned in the 7 verses before the ones you linked in revelation 12, and the Sign in Heaven that most closely relates to that was the September 23rd thing, which means we're most likely going to see the 1/3 of the stars fall with Satan very soon. but regardless I'm getting off this topic

do not derail my thread.

Peter is just part of the foundation, not THE ROCK himself. Jesus is the foundation cornerstone.

>(Ephesians 2:19-22)... 20and YOU have been built up upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone. 21In union with him the whole building, being harmoniously joined together, is growing into a holy temple for Jehovah. 22In union with him YOU, too, are being built up together into a place for God to inhabit by spirit.

Peter is EQUAL to the other apostles as a foundation stone. He has no superiority over them.

>(Revelation 21:14) The wall of the city also had twelve foundation stones, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Peter HIMSELF identified the rock mass as Christ himself.

>(1 Peter 2:4-8) Coming to him as to a living stone, rejected, it is true, by men, but chosen, precious, with God, 5YOU yourselves also as living stones are being built up a spiritual house for the purpose of a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For it is contained in Scripture: “Look! I am laying in Zion a stone, chosen, a foundation cornerstone, precious; and no one exercising faith in it will by any means come to disappointment.” 7It is to YOU, therefore, that he is precious, because YOU are believers; but to those not believing, “the identical stone that the builders rejected has become [the] head of [the] corner,” 8and “a stone of stumbling and a rock-mass of offense.” These are stumbling because they are disobedient to the word. To this very end they were also appointed.

>(1 Corinthians 10:4) and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they used to drink from the spiritual rock-mass that followed them, and that rock-mass meant the Christ.

The entire Bible identifies Jesus as the rock-mass and the cornerstone of the Church. Not Peter. Christ was never and is not ABSENT.

>i know for a fact this is wrong because 1/3 of the stars of heaven would have fallen down with him.

The bible identifies "stars" with angels including demons as well.

>(Revelation 1:20) As for the sacred secret of the seven stars that you saw upon my right hand, and [of] the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars mean [the] angels of the seven congregations, and the seven lampstands mean seven congregations.

>(Revelation 9:1) And the fifth angel blew his trumpet. And I saw a star that had fallen from heaven to the earth, and the key of the pit of the abyss was given him.

>(Job 38:7) When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?


and demons aren't in heaven, nor do they have any access there, its all angels of their ranks and the Elohim (read Psalm 82 carefully)
>the things that get casted out of heaven are angels, and you would do well to understand the difference.

Satan and the demons still had access to heaven back then.

>(Job 2:1) Afterward it came to be the day when the sons of the [true] God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also proceeded to enter right among them to take his station before Jehovah.

>(Job 1:6) Now it came to be the day when the sons of the [true] God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and even Satan proceeded to enter right among them.

You are correct that the things casted down are angels. Angels are identified with stars because they live in heaven. This casting down just happened recently.

(Revelation 12:9) So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

>1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4F

Humz who teaches the doctrine of devils ? i am to blind to see lord give me eye salve so i can see

The Catholic mass is a black mass where they recreate the blood ritual of the death of Jesus. Drinking wine = blood
Eating crackers = flesh
Everyone stands in line to receive the black mass sacrament. Truly "eaters of the dead".

“Mediator”
You probably think all Catholics worship idols too.

Symbolism for 200 Trebek.

>Satan and the demons still had access to heaven back then.
>>(Job 2:1) Afterward it came to be the day when the sons of the [true] God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also proceeded to enter right among them to take his station before Jehovah.


No they did not hence satan is escorted to heaven by the sons of god .. satan fell his angels are now devils they are not called sons of god after they went to hell ... job is after the flood thus satan and devils went to hell . it is impossible that the fallen angels have free accses to heaven

The fall to earth was after eve ate the apple

of whom was cain afraid when he was the third person on earth?

> 14Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. 15And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

The whore of Babylon?
Easy my dudes.
First off, who did God ever call a whore...
The Jews, after he told Hosea to marry a whore Hosea used his wife as an example in his preaching to the Jews who were worshiping other gods.
What other gods? The Gods of Babylon of the ancient proto kikes of course.
So, how can we identify the Whore of Babylon? Look for a Babylonian religious symbol. I can name two, the Pope's mitre, but he's not a kike. The other is the Star of David aka the Seal of Solomon aka the Star of Remphan.

The whore of babylon just means a corrupt church its the total opposites from revelation 12 the woman and the dragon the woman represent the prosecuted church

some seventh day adventist made a good video about it where he is 50% correct

Found it youtube.com/watch?v=zYIrW56ZZoA

these are the views of the early protestants

The Whore of Babylon is teh Catholic Church.. in her Scarlet Robes..

Whenever God uses the term whore he's talking about religion. God hates religion more than anything..

He's talking about religious people or groups that whore around with false Gods. Christianity isn't any better btw, Christianity is Pauls religion and Paul contradicts everything God and Yahowsha(Jesus) ever said.

There's nothing on earth more corrupt than Judaism. Ignoring God and worshipping Jews as a people to the detriment of the rest of mankind.

Judaism is not important for jesus revelation is about his church .. jesus does not care about hindus muslims , jesus christ only cares about his church and the people who want to corrupt his teachings

Revelation 3:9.
That's Judaism he's talking about.
Synagogue- duh, only jews use these
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Satan- You are of your father the devil.
who say they are Jews and are not- again, Jesus said they were not of Abraham but of the devil, they're not jews.

Yes, Catholics do worship idols whether they will admit it or not. They play semantics and call it "intercession" of Saints. They pray to them, throw money at them, do hand gestures at them, kneel to them, cry to them, and kiss them. I know because I'm a former Catholic myself.

>(Acts 10:25, 26) As Peter entered, Cornelius met him, fell down at his feet and did obeisance to him. 26But Peter lifted him up, saying: “Rise; I myself am also a man.”

>(Acts 17:29) “Seeing, therefore, that we are the progeny of God, we ought not to imagine that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, like something sculptured by the art and contrivance of man.

>(2 Corinthians 5:7) for we are walking by faith, not by sight.

>(Psalm 78:58) And they kept offending him with their high places, And with their graven images they kept inciting him to jealousy.

>(Isaiah 42:8) “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.

Yes one warning in the church ages he also mentions apostles but they are liars, its not the main focus of revelation

you have the seals i think they are the rise and fall from pagan rome

the trumpets are acts of war against fake christians

the bowls of wrath is the wrath god against the corrupt churches to make them repent but they do not , the bowls of wrath has been active from 400 after christ until the second world war


The Seventh Bowl of Wrath

>17And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

babylon is where the church lost his world power

Cathos aren't the only religion to fit the description. Even modern jews do.

But rather than speak about the harlot, I would speak about basic Bible teachings about God and show that Cathos are not respecting the Bible

Link that up with the seventh trumpet , and you have a timeline for the second comming

The Seventh Trumpet

15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

>He's talking about religious people or groups that whore around with false Gods. Christianity isn't any better btw,

yes the harlot is basically all false religions


>Christianity is Pauls religion and Paul contradicts everything God and Yahowsha(Jesus) ever said.

That's just not true. Paul is as "inspired" as any other Bible writer. Peter confirmed his teaching.

>satan is escorted to heaven by the sons of god

You just made that up right on the spot.

>(Job 2:1) Afterward it came to be the day when the sons of the [true] God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also proceeded to enter right among them to take his station before Jehovah.

>(Job 1:6) Now it came to be the day when the sons of the [true] God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and even Satan proceeded to enter right among them.

>Satan also proceeded to enter right among them to take his station before Jehovah.
>even Satan proceeded to enter right among them.

It's pretty obvious Satan wasn't "escorted" by no one. He did this all on his own FREELY.

>it is impossible that the fallen angels have free accses to heaven
>The fall to earth was after eve ate the apple

(Revelation 12:9) So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

If you look at the verse up above it is apparent that Satan and the demons were not casted out until: Jesus was made king in heaven, and after the ENTIRE EARTH WAS INHABITED. Satan could not have been casted out right after the Fall of Adam/Eve because Revelations states that Satan was casted out while misleading the ENTIRE INHABITED EARTH.

Also Satan and the demons is not in hell. He is here on earth with us right now as we speak.

Good.

Any study of the Bible should be done in conjunction with the Object Oriented Programming method of study, which is extremely important.

No no how can the devils turn back to the sons of god ?

The Wickedness of Man

(Matthew 24:36-51; Mark 13:32-37; Luke 12:35-48)

>1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

>5And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Yes. He was. It was Peter who preached the Penecostal sermon, they brought the thieves to Peter, it was Peter whom God gave the vision declaring all animals and Gentiles to be clean. The Gospel is clear that Peter was chosen to lead the apostles. First among equals.

>yes, i actually do know what they are
Obviously you don't because you keep calling them a permission slip to sin. Indulgences take time away from Purgatory, they don't absolve sin. Purgatory is where the saved, but imperfect, are purified for Heaven. Indulgences are a way to reduce the amount of time you spend in Purgatory. They literally have nothing to do with sins. Seriously, you can argue about indilgences if you want, but at least educate yourself as to what they are.

>so were the rest of the apostles in matthew 18 so was every single person who believes in Him
That makes no sense. How could every person be given the power to bind and loose? What if one believer binds and another loosens? Which is it then? It has to be a singular power, given only to one man, and then passed on to his successors.

You have satan he seduced eve , this caused the fall this means satan did a reversed second comming and became flesh

But satan and his angels have souls thus they went to hell after they drowned they are now full devils and cannot be called sons of god in job

The Rock is the Faith in Christ, but it'a not an accident that Christ renamed Simon "Rock".

Peter was given the keys to the kingdom, the power or binding and looking, the mission of feeding the sheep, and the authority to be leader of the Church.

The Church are and always have been free masons you retarded fucks, the bible is a masonic cipher it is not a literal story of reality

The bible is an IQ test and all of you idiots failed miserably

>No no how can the devils turn back to the sons of god ?

They never turned back into the sons of God. The reason why the demons and Satan were entering in among the TRUE Sons of God is because they were INTERRUPTING their meetings. Same as how SJW's interrupt people's peaceful meetings and won't let them talk.

Satan wasn't coming back to God among the angels to repent. He came back to interrupt them aggresively, accuse God of being a hypocrite, and create chaos among them. SJW style of interruption.

>Any study of the Bible should be done in conjunction with the Object Oriented Programming method of study, which is extremely important.

Can you dumb this down for me?

Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.
John 6: 53

Doh!

There hasnt been a legitimate Pope since Pope Pius XII.

>If you look at the verse up above it is apparent that Satan and the demons were not casted out until: Jesus was made king in heaven, and after the ENTIRE EARTH WAS INHABITED. Satan could not have been casted out right after the Fall of Adam/Eve because Revelations states that Satan was casted out while misleading the ENTIRE INHABITED EARTH.

no no you call jesus a liar
Luke 10:18
17The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in Your name.” 18So He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.


>Also Satan and the demons is not in hell. He is here on earth with us right now as we speak.

>He is here on earth with us right now as we speak.
wow finaly you got one thing right satan always have been among us he carnates in humans

nice sources mate

Sedevacantism is very, very dumb.

You don't ask this question on Sup Forums, which is a place filled with larpagans and individuals who take bible quotes out of context and twist words around. This place is also filled with gnosticfags who belive in muh ascension. Take this question to /christian/, where the people there are well versed in scripture, liturgy, canon, and the catechism.

utter bollocks
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_orbit
>Earth's orbital speed averages about 30 km/s (108,000 km/h; 67,000 mph)
>Williams, David R. (2004-09-01). "Earth Fact Sheet"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt#Earth
>Earth currently has an axial tilt of about 23.4°
>Astronomical Almanac 2010, p. B52

The whore of Babylon is prophesied to be the end times entity which overtakes the true church of Christ.

The Catholic Church is not the end times church because according to numerous sources such Ignatius of Antioch and st justin martyr, the church practiced catholic teaching such as the Eucharist and the mass which Luther rejected and called it a blasphemy. So that would mean that between 2nd century-1520s the entire Christian church was the whore of Babylon because the nestorians, oriental orthodox, chalcedonian orthodox all believed in the same "blasphemies" which the Protestant reformers came to reject and call idolatry and the mark of the beast. So that would mean that we have been in the end times since the eath of the apostles. Which is complete and utter nonsense and is unscriptural.

>So that would mean that we have been in the end times since the eath of the apostles. Which is complete and utter nonsense and is unscriptural.


Haha i am going to give you one hint is it maybe that the 1000 years have passed and satan is loose?

Satan Bound the Thousand Years

1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

wheres the proof.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Panin

>Satan and the demons still had access to heaven back then.

demons don't have access to heaven, they never have, and never will and unless you can provide a scripture to back this up but I know you can't because it doesn't exist, not even in the entire apocrypha. Satan still currently has access as he has not been kicked out yet.

Satan has angels at his side, not demons, you would do well to understand the difference between an angel and a demon.

>The Catholic mass is a black mass where they recreate the blood ritual of the death of Jesus. Drinking wine = blood
Eating crackers = flesh

this is wrong, Christ himself tells you to eat flesh and drink wine as if it were his flesh and blood to remember him by, and you're not eating something dead, christ is a living God, not a dead one. he has Risen.

>it was Peter whom God gave the vision declaring all animals and Gentiles to be clean.

read acts 15
and everyone went to James because of what Peter was doing with the gentiles. James was the one who decided it what Peter was doing was OK. Peter is clearly under the authority of James in acts 15. it was James and Peter is JUDGED by James...

>First among equals.
Matthew 19:30
But many who are first will be last; and the last, first.

>Peter was given the keys to the kingdom,

The key to understanding this is to understand what "keys" are:

>(Luke 11:52) “Woe to YOU who are versed in the Law, because YOU took away the KEY OF KNOWLEDGE; YOU yourselves did not go in, and those going in YOU hindered!”

>(Ephesians 3:5, 6) In other generations this [secret] was not made known to the sons of men as it has now BEEN REVEALED TO HIS HOLY APOSTLES and prophets by spirit,...

>(Matthew 23:13) “Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men; for YOU yourselves do not go in, neither do YOU permit those on their way in to go in.

The Keys given to Peter was NOT AUTHORITY. It WAS KNOWLEDGE and ACCESS to Salvation. The Pharisees SHUT the way to heaven. Those keys were taken from the Pharisees and handed to Peter and then the other Apostles. Peter was the first to proclaim Goyim could also be saved and baptized.(Ac 8:14-17 Ac 10:1-48; 15:7-9).

>the power or binding and looking, the mission of feeding the sheep,

Correct, but this job was also given to the rest of the Apostles, not Peter himself. Paul, Timothy, Apollos is a good example of this. Everyone was handed their own copy of those keys later as well.

>the authority to be leader of the Church.

Not possible because James was the presiding administrator and had the final say in all the most important meetings.Acts 15:13-19,

Paul also stood up to Peter when he discriminated Goyim.Gal. 2:11-14

The last time Peter is mentioned is on equal level with all the other apostles.

>>(Revelation 21:14) The wall of the city also had twelve foundation stones, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Christ is the head of the Church and always will be. No descendants.

> 18So He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

At first, it may seem that Jesus was referring to an event that had already taken place. Yet, 60 years after Jesus uttered the above words, the aged apostle John employed similar language, writing: “Down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.”—Revelation 12:9.
When John penned those words, Satan still resided in heaven. How do we know? Because Revelation is a book of prophecy, not history. (Revelation 1:1) Hence, as of John’s day, Satan had not yet been cast down to earth. In fact, evidence shows that this did not occur until shortly after Jesus was enthroned as King of God’s Kingdom.—Revelation 12:1-10.

Read the FORBIDDEN Chapter Jews are not allowed to read (Isaiah 52:13–53:12.) It's all in the present and past tense but it was a PROPHECY not history.

>>Earth currently has an axial tilt of about 23.4°
a 23.4 angle creates a 66.6 degree inverse angle on a 90 degree angle

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_orbit
>Earth's orbital speed averages about 30 km/s (108,000 km/h; 67,000 mph)
>Williams, David R. (2004-09-01). "Earth Fact Sheet

FROM YOUR SOURCE BY THE WAY
Mean orbital velocity (km/s) 29.78
29.78KM/S = 66615.96278 miles per hour, or just 66,600 to round down to the nearest hundredth.

you're not a very smart person are you?

Taking revelations a book of prophecy as doctrine ? tell me now do you also belief in the eternal hell

>9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

>demons don't have access to heaven,

Not anymore (Revelation 12:9)

>they never have,
They used to(Revelation 12:9)(Job 2:1)(Job 1:6)

>and never will

Not anymore

>and unless you can provide a scripture to back this up but I know you can't because it doesn't exist,

(Revelation 12:9)(Job 2:1)(Job 1:6)


>Satan still currently has access as he has not been kicked out yet.

(Revelation 12:9)

>Satan has angels at his side, not demons, you would do well to understand the difference between an angel and a demon.

Angels and demons are the same species. The word "angel" is just a rank. It means "messenger." The word "demon" just means "deity" in Greek. They are just ranks. The correct terminology for what they are is just small gods or spirit beings. The word "devil(s)" just means slanderer. That's just what they all are in rank and category not nature.

The whore is America you twat

>Because Revelation is a book of prophecy, not history.

Bullocks the lamb is worthy is history

The Lamb is Worthy

>5And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

>6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

>(Job 2:1)(Job 1:6)
those are Sons of God, (elohim) are you going to tell me the children Elohim have are demons?

>revelation 12:9
>Satan has angels at his side, not demons, you would do well to understand the difference between an angel and a demon.

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>demons don't have access to heaven,

Not anymore (Revelation 12:9)

>they never have,
They used to(Revelation 12:9)(Job 2:1)(Job 1:6)

>and never will

Not anymore

>and unless you can provide a scripture to back this up but I know you can't because it doesn't exist,

(Revelation 12:9)(Job 2:1)(Job 1:6)


>Satan still currently has access as he has not been kicked out yet.

(Revelation 12:9)

>Satan has angels at his side, not demons, you would do well to understand the difference between an angel and a demon.

Angels and demons are the same species. The word "angel" is just a rank. It means "messenger." The word "demon" just means "deity" in Greek. They are just ranks. The correct terminology for what they are is just small gods or spirit beings. The word "devil(s)" just means slanderer. That's just what they all are in rank and category not nature.

ok, go read the book of enoch. you're entirely wrong, on so many different levels.

demon doesn't mean diety in greek, have you ever looked at a strongs concordance?

its the catholic church you twat.

History of john satan is after jesus with pagan rome herod

>The Woman and the Dragon

>1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

>5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

book of enoch is not part of the bible canon O.o dude.

niether is the book of Jasher, or Jubliees, but they're both mentioned in the bible, along with dozens of other books

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-canonical_books_referenced_in_the_Bible

canonization of the church does not dictate whether something is divinely inspired or not.

>ok, go read the book of enoch


The book of fantasy meant to confuse is that the book where the angels had sex with animals and created the dinosaurs?

>demon doesn't mean diety in greek, have you ever looked at a strongs concordance?

The word demon is dai·moni·on in Greek. It means deity because of Ac 17:18 and Ac 17:22

>(Acts 17:18) ...Others: “He seems to be a publisher of foreign deities(dai·moni·on).” This was because he was declaring the good news of Jesus and the resurrection.

>(Acts 17:22) Paul now stood in the midst of the Ar·e·opa·gus and said: “Men of Athens, I behold that in all things YOU seem to be more given to the fear of the deities(dai·moni·on) than others are.

>(Acts 25:19) They simply had certain disputes with him concerning their own worship of the deity(dai·moni·on) and concerning a certain Jesus who was dead but who Paul kept asserting was alive.

“The meaning of the adjective dai·moni·os brings out most clearly the distinctive features of the Greek conception of demons, for it denotes that which lies outwith human capacity and is thus to be attributed to the intervention of higher powers, whether for good or evil. To dai·moni·on in pre-Christian writers can be used in the sense of the ‘divine.’”Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, edited by G. Kittel (Vol. II, p. 8)

>ok, go read the book of enoch. you're entirely wrong, on so many different levels.

What they saidNot canon to the scriptures.

read genesis 6, angels (sons of God) did have sex with women

>is that the book where the angels had sex with animals and created the dinosaurs?

no, it doesn't it states that 200ish angels sinned against God and chose for themselves wives, and their children were nephilum

>The book of fantasy meant to confuse
I think you're the one thats confused, and does not understand the nature of the reality we live in.

Yes it does. Anyone can write a book, but only some books were divinely inspired.

>11And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Let me debunk you quick the 4 beast are the 4 gospels the 24 elders are the old testament books when the book of prophets was still 1 book ... this would debunk the gnostic text and also the book of enoch

>Not canon to the scriptures.
not an argument

Jude 4,6,13,14–15, 2 Peter 2:4; 3:13, John 7:38

>24 elders are the old testament books when the book of prophets was still 1 book
do you know how many old testament books there are? because its more than 24.

read 1 John 4 in its entirety.

John 21:25
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

John 16:12
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

>this would debunk the gnostic text and also the book of enoch
how? the book of enoch predates the Torah. so does the book of Jasher apparently.

>Catholics call priests father
Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father on earth, for jyou have one Father, who is in heaven.
>Catholics speak to/pray to the dead and Mary
Deuteronomy 18:10-13
10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord; because of these same detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you. 13 You must be blameless before the Lord your God.
>Catholic Priests, Bishops, Cardinals, Popes can't marry yet the bible indicates they can
1 Timothy 3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
>Catholics molest children
Mathew 18:6
If anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a large millstone were hung around his neck and he were drowned at the bottom of the sea.

Different religious groups include different books in their Biblical canons, in varying orders, and sometimes divide or combine books. Christian Bibles range from the 66 books of the Protestant canon to the 81 books of the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church canon.

The Tanakh (sometimes called the Hebrew Bible) contains 24 books divided into three parts: the five books of the Torah ("teaching"); the Nevi'im ("prophets"); and the Ketuvim ("writings"). The first part of Christian Bibles is called the Old Testament, which contains, at minimum, the above 24 books but divided into 39 books and ordered differently.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_the_Bible

>how? the book of enoch predates the Torah. so does the book of Jasher apparently.

Jesus would have mentioned it would he not? if scriptures was corrupted? that was his bible

The Five Books of Moses (Chumash)


Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Numbers
Deuteronomy
The Eight Books of the Prophets (Neviim)


Joshua
Judges
Samuel
Kings
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Ezekial
The Twelve (minor prophets) Trei-Assar
The Eleven Books of the Writings (Kesuvim)

Psalms – Tehilim
Proverbs – Mishlei
Job – Iyov
Song of Songs – Shir HaShirim
Ruth – Rus
Lamentations – Eicha
Ecclesiastes – Koheles
Esther
Daniel – Doniel
Ezra/Nehemia
Chronicles – Divrei Hayamim

What relevance do those verses have to anything I said? Nothing disproves what I said. The only error here is you believing in mythological books. The book of Enoch is heretical and uninspired. The set canon was already established before Christ and mentioned again by Josephus.

>“We do not possess myriads of inconsistent books, conflicting with each other. Our books, those which are justly accredited, are but two and twenty, and contain the record of all time. Of these, five are the books of Moses, comprising the laws and the traditional history from the birth of man down to the death of the lawgiver. . . . From the death of Moses until Artaxerxes, who succeeded Xerxes as king of Persia, the prophets subsequent to Moses wrote the history of the events of their own times in thirteen books. The remaining four books contain hymns to God and precepts for the conduct of human life.” - The Jewish historian Josephus, in answering opponents in his work Against Apion, around 100 CE (I, 38-40)

Enoch is not established as a canonical book of the OT.

was also proven to not been written by enoch.. but instead somewhere during 200-0 bc. The writer might have wanted to expand on the verses seen in

The verses you see tells us that people at the time had similar knowledge maybe trough stories passed down generations but this doesn't tell us that the book of enoch is divinely inspired. It just tells us that the writers of the book of enoch and the book of Jude had similar sources that have since been lost. Book of enoch is a collection of jewish myths.

* 1. moses 5:18

Lol he is actualy a flat earther did we shatter his idea or does he let his confirmation bias take over and turns on another eric dubai movie

XD

Well, im out o/ was nice seeing you wreck him over :D