Lawfags needed, this thread is for the discussion of the systems, processes, courts, etc. that make up the legal system. This is also for anons who are curious to ask for knowledge/advice, or for anons who fell for honeypots and now face the consequences. Mainly focused on the American version, but other countries welcome
>Have you ever been arrested, charged, and/or convicted?
>If you've been to prison, what was it like?
>Does the system need to be reformed, or is it the best it can be given the circumstances of law and the need for fair trials?
>If yes, how?
>Is pic related correct?
>What are some bullshit or weird laws in your country/state?
>For lawfags, what is some advice, stories, or weird law stuff that only insiders would know that you'd like to share?
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The bit in op about voir dire (lul at that fags spelling) is not true. That question could be interpreted by jurors too broadly to be the death knell the author argues. Now, if your attorney asked the straight up question "do you believe in innocence until proven guilty?" you could use the jurors answers to strike for cause, almost certainly. Of course, that direct of a question elicits a lot more Yes's than OP's vague, incomplete hypothetical of a question.
>retarded anyway because the judge is just going to refresh the juror pool until he gets his 12 (or whatever juror count) regardless of how many you try to kick
>be me
>driving exotic car when I was 24
>coming home from gf house at 2am
>mustang pulls up next to me out of no where as I am slowing to stop at a stop light
>does a burnout, revs motor and loses control of car and swerved toward me
>trying to avoid him hitting me I swerve right
>mustang manages to drive off never hit me
>I end up in Wall
>call police to report accident
>remember it’s 2am, no one was around, no witnesses, just my word
>firetruck, ambulance and cops arrive
>2 cops approach, one male one female
>female plays good cop and talks to me calmly telling everything is alright
>male cop is asshole. Accused me of racing. Says I was doing ‘160mph’ when I hit wall.
>says if I admit to racing he will lower my charge to ‘improper driving’, if I don’t admit it I’m getting a reckless
>I tell cop that the events I told him were true and I was not changing my story
>cop claims there is a witness and pints off into the distance where the ambulance and fire trucks are parked. I don’t see anything
>I get a reckless ticket, have to go to court
>get a lawyer
>take photos of car and skid marks In road showed them to lawyer
>says it doesn’t look like damage from a race at 160mph. Airbags didn’t deploy
>at court before my hearing the lawyer presents the evidence to the prosecuter
>prosecuter says the ‘witness was from new york’ and Didn’t show up
>case is thrown out
>mfw as I’m leaving I smile at the cop as he’s looking at me
I should add though, it is quite the standard question for attorneys to ask all potential jurors "is there anything preventing you from rendering an impartial and fair verdict?". Some judges ask that before swearing a jury in as a matter of practice anyway
Wtf OP, i'm a communist and I hate America and courts now, and rich people!
DAMN OP REALLY MADE ME THINK.
IT SEEMS RICH PEOPLE ARE A HUGE PROBLEM, MAYBE I SHOULD BE OUT RIOTING.
DAMN OP, MADE ME THINK.
This so much so, we need socialism and class war like the last 8 years.
The American courts are a joke, we need Islamic courts.
America doesn't even have gun laws, or legal dog dick sucking like our Leaf brothers and sisters.
Lawfag, reporting in.
Age of consent is a Jew trick on America to prevent whites from having offspring. Back in the Bible days it was the norm for 14 and 15 year olds to get pregnant. Anything (((they))) can do to subvert white Nations, they'll do it. They would push the age up to 21 if they could.
Most traffic stuff is basically a scam to bring in revenue.
If you had a 14 year old daughter, would you be ok with a 26 year old man taking her to bed?
I've served on juries and interned on both prosecution and defense side of the law when I was in law school. Now work in commercial litigation. This isn't even remotely true.
I like this thread, a lot. Needs to be a recurring thing. Good job OP, here's my bump
The faggit Canadians swore out a warrant for my arrest for camping illegally. I told them to fuck off. As far as I know the warrant is still out there. I use it as an excuse to not go on business trips to that land of faggits.
Law clerk here. Worked under a judge in criminal court, and mental health court in a major city.
>Never been arrested, but familiar with the process
>Never been to prison
>The mental health system needs to be reformed.
Mental health reform, I believe, needs to be in the form of removing low quality psychiatrists and state retained mental health accessors, who often render a professional opinion for the state without even meeting the respondent (defendant) in person.
>Juries are trash, but not to the extent that pic related in referring to.
If anything, juries can be too lenient (especially if the defendant is a woman or minority) in some cases. This might just be the case in the ultra liberal place where I work though. I've heard from other law clerks that more rural areas have very pro law enforcement juries. The point about Juries being under employed/bored old people is definitely true.
>In my state, one bullshit legal practice is that any person in a criminal trial or already incarcerated subjects themselves to a mental health trial if at any point they voluntarily bring their mental capacity into inquiry (during trial to speak to their capacity to understand their actions, or by seeking counseling while in prison, for example).
Basically, anytime to talk about, or try to improve your mental health, you open yourself up to a mental health trial, even if you're acquitted in a criminal trial. This is bad because of the different burden of proof in a mental health trial, and the different rights you have.
I got more stories if there is any interest
nobody actually wants a teenage girl living in their fucking house rent-free. this may shock you lol they are fucking cunts.
Why is everything going up to a trial so redundant? There's court dates for setting court dates and making sure you're REALLY sure you want your lawyer as your lawyer. Seems all redundant to me
Actually, I do I have a question, now that I think about it. Any Lawfags here knowledgeable in civil law?
Good thread. Why is it federal judges have zero oversight?
A judge once told me that, as a general rule, "the wheels of justice turn slowly." This is due in large part to the fact that the justice system seeks to avoid errors, which can result when things are rushed through and not double and triple checked. This also adds to the finality of a verdict and limits the potential for appeals.
Yeah, to an extent.
Go ahead, user. I'll hear your stories
In the sense that they don't have term limits and can only be thrown off the bench if they royally fuck up? Or do you dislike the appeals process?
go ahead
Another question I have is say a person gets a charge without bail, and has to stay in prison until his trial. He's proven innocent and let free. Is there any sort of reparation or compensation for an innocent spending time in prison? Or is it basically, "Welp, sorry"
you're thinking of family court
no oversight, no appeals
Thinking about initiating a lawsuit. I think I have a pretty solid case, except for one thing: statute of limitations. In Pennsylvania, for personal injury the SOL is two years, 180 days against government institutions. It's a civil liberties thing. Do you think it would be possible to argue that I wasn't aware of my rights at the time and therefore the statue of limitations could begin running upon discovery of wrongdoing? If you need more details just say so, I'm just trying to be as anonymous as possible
Yes and been to prison.
Its peetty bad but you can manage if you keep to yourself and dont act friendly.
The scariest part is how much they can get away with. Guards Beating inmates to death is a common practice and they even gloated about how they get away with it while i was in there.
I always thought our country was the leader in progress and freedom but our prisons need a lot of improvement.
You can't get around statute of limitations.
Depends on the jurisdiction. There is a federal statute for wrongful convictions and some states - but not all - have statutes that allow for compensation.
If you care to share, what were you convicted with user? Any stories?
I realize, but the statute of limitations for say, something like medical malpractice can begin on discovery of wrongdoing. I'm curious if the same principle can apply to my case
what do you do in a family court case where they wherent present, and have had their hospital information coerced out of them, and removed right to vote and pretty much denying health care on infections becuase they are irrational and claim that infection = your crazy
SOLs are typically pretty tough to get around. You probably want to talk to a lawyer IRL and explain your situation. It wouldn't be anonymous, of course, but communications with a lawyer are legally confidential.
Ok, thanks for your help user, I appreciate it.
what the fuck are you talking about?
>Can I get around this time limit?
>"No, that's why there's a time limit."
>But there are sometimes exceptions to this rule.
What makes you think that your case is an exception? Without telling your life story...
>Normal day in mental health court
>Respondent is 5'6 18 year old kid. Black. Bad attitude. Represented by a pro-bono lawyer.
>State attorney makes her case, brings in psychiatrist
>Psychiatrist is a unkempt looking younger guy, maybe early thirties. He takes the stand and is sworn in.
>He recounts the incident in the state's pleadings: Kid was caught skateboarding across a bank lobby in a downtown skyscraper. He spent the weekend in jail because he was arrested on a Friday. The kid repeatedly swore at jail guards, and threatened other inmates. The kid also fashioned a shank out of a toothbrush. The jail report was unsigned, and the true source of this information is unknown.
>"So when you met with my client, what was your professional evaluation of his mental state?"
>"I've never actually met the respondent."
>"But you're prepared to assess him as mentally incompetent? Based on what?"
>"The findings in the jail report"
>"What findings specifically?"
>"The violent and anti-social behavior"
>"The swearing and the threats?"
>"Yes"
>"Are you saying that only a mentally ill person would swear and make threats in jail?"
>"In my experience, yes"
>The Judge and I look at each other, and the lawyer sees this and rests his case
The kid ended up getting cleared, but that just demonstrates the sort of state shrinks we see on a regular basis.
i dont know they didnt know about it until later. they have cases where the judge wanted them to attend drug rehab and was charged with being drunk running from the cops, without a dui charge. says so on the court paper though. the court said theyd drop the charges if they done drug rehab, but thrown out of it.
fast forward, beg the question sent in for evaluation. forced to go to a hospital. was evaluated 2 months prior and released.
ends up having a guardian appointed for signing out of a hospital, partial guardian. then find out 3 years later, its full, and after a criminal case where teh court coerced documents from a hospital out of them and used them to find them incompetent to vote. plus i know their game.
alright so the only thing I was saying was that "officially" the only court system I know that has no appeals or oversight is family court. I'm not saying for a moment other courts don't act similarly, or that either actions are anything short of criminal, but I have no clue what specific case you are referring to.
>"Are you saying that only a mentally ill person would swear and make threats in jail?"
>"In my experience, yes"
kek
no oversight? then everybody in america according to this place are incompetent and can't vote either. so who am i talking to
i mean i dont know what your asking, what case? what do you mean specifically?
there was a guardianship case without the person it was held over, having knowledge of it, they learned when state workers took over the dropped guardianship and told them about it. before this, there was a criminal trial, where the lawyer said that the hospital papers which he would of received from a partial guardianship he wanted to get ..
in other words i dont know what your talking about and your lying to the whole country.
I've been to jail and I can tell you that it would be a cake walk if 80 percent of the staff and inmates weren't niggers. The nigger COs are so apathetic and cruel that I've heard black inmates say things like "this is why you can't let black folk run shit" lol
family court..
full guardianship trial and the person it was going for wasnt aware of it happening. there is no evidence at the court records office but also no records at the records office if you know what im saying. like yo8u cant get a full and complete record
Good luck out there.
>Ahhh, here we have the Negroe in his natural habitat, dealing with legal issues instituted by the evil white man. His grasp of the legal system comes mostly from Nas lyrics and Suge Knight's Twitter feed, but feels compelled to use incorrect legal process verbiage but insist he's correct. His attorneys, already desperately clinging to their last shreds of sanity in the PD's office, officially loose the the last drop of hope they had for the 6th time when the Negroe struts into court with 5 of his finest friends, his freshest pair of Jordans on for the occasion.
and also asking the court in america to be moral is stupid
There needs to be more punishment when one of them oversteps their authority. Case in point Judge Watson in Hawaii should have been impeached for Cleary overstepping his boundaries
how do you know this isnt a honeypot here too
I know that it is a honeypot, what do you mean?
i know of someone they appealed a case, won it. then somehow the court where it came from, took it to the state supreme court, where they ok'd everything teh appeals court did. I dont know why. Then on one, they said it would of been ok if they could of gotten a jury trial, THEN convinced the jury, it would of been ok. based off of some drug case.
whatt are you saying that someone has problems with the legal system for then, while saying there is no oversight but they are saying you are considered incompetent and cant vote by the area
do you not see your self in the same situation and unable to answer questions if that is right? then who can, the government was made by the people. so its hypocritical
On another occasion we had a case that I think many Anons could relate to.
>Mental health court
>Respondent is an overweight white girl, 19 years old, blonde, and very timid. Shes brought in in shackles by the bailiffs, orange jumpsuit and everything.
>Her pro-bono attorney is a nervous looking younger woman, who has the appearance of a civil litigation lawyer rather than a criminal defense attorney.
>States attorney is a veteran, and has done hundreds of such cases
>Through testimony, the details of the girl's life come out. She has always been a shy, poorly socialized kid, had a hard time making friends or engaging with strangers. She is however a brilliant software coder. Until 6 months before trial she lived with her Mom, who was a drug addict. She moved into a halfway home for wayward teens and started coding to support herself. She would take long, lonesome walks throughout the city, and had admittedly contemplated suicide on many occasions. Eventually, she wandered to a dog park, and over the course of several weeks, developed a friendship with some of the dogs and owners there. Motivated by her friends, she started volunteering at an animal shelter. Her therapist found that she had not had any depressive episodes since those changes. She reported being finally happy, and optimistic.
>She then determined that she would no longer take her anti-depressant meds, as she felt she no longer needed them, and didn't like the drowsiness/sickness that they caused.
>Personnel at the halfway home find out
>She is taken to the mental hospital for evaluation. They attempt to force her to take the meds, she refuses. Orderlies strap her to a table and pump her full of drugs until she is essentially comatose. She remains in that state until trial a week later.
>Oceans of testimony from shrinks that have never met her
>The court determines that she should remain at the mental hospital.
To this day, I believe she is still there
>what case
when they went to the court records office and asked to see the papers in teh file, they didnt have anything in there that showed they where there. then they asked them, the court recorder, how they had the case. they said
there was a jury.
>plus the case about
was on their mother, implying here that they (the court) uses your parents against you
any fucking good legal advice on this?
The fuck
>good legal advice on this
I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you asking how to avoid/prevent a court from compelling testimony from your parents for use in a case against you?
Some states prevent married couples from testifying against each other, but the same usually isn't true for related people. If a subpoena is issued, they risk contempt of court if they refuse to testify. The best thing you can do, I suppose, is make sure your lawyer is the one that calls them as a witness, and prepares them for both direct and cross examination.
That's just fucked
I was driving a piece of crap in scottsdale arizona, which of course is a crime in scottsdale arizona (not kidding, we jokingly call it "Felony driving a POS in Scottsdale"). The cop pulled me over and had the swat team swarm the car, they broke my arm putting me in a police cruiser (handcuffed). Found absolutely nothing in the car to justify what they just did. The dash camera showed me behaving; didn't show me driving eratically.
They released me without arresting me (still had a broken arm), and gave me a ticket for "reckless driving".
Well I showed up in court, arm still in a sling with doctor paperwork. The cop shows up and somehow doesn't show with any of his dash cam video. Well the cop stands up and gives his side. and it was pure 100% fiction. I was representing myself, and I'm listing to one lie after another, my jaw slowly falling at the absolute bullshit that comes out of his mouth.
Now this judge had literally tore apart everyone who stood up before me and contested what a PO said. So I considered deeply what I would say. The cop gets done with his statement. The judge looks at me and asks me for my testimony.
I said "Your honor. I could argue with almost all of what the officer said. However it's immaterial to this case." The judge looked surprised, and asked "what would you argue with". I said, "It doesn't matter really, because nothing he said directly contradicts what I'm going to say". So the judge lets me speak. I said, "What the police officer claimed is I was driving erratically. I would like for the dash cam video be played." The Judge looks surprised. The PO looks embaressed. Said he didn't have the footage.
I then followed up with, "the officer said I resisted the officer, which I was not charged with, resulting in my injury. I would like the dash cam video played." Awkward silence. The judge adjourns the case for the video. We come back a week later. The video proves my case.
Did you end up getting a settlement or judgment regarding your broken arm?
well because the PO pissed me off so much I contacted an injury lawyer about the event. We got the dash cam video, launched a civil suit, took the 50g settlement from the city.
fuck scottsdale.
Fucking Marxism
Yeah that's fucked up.
yep. got a 50g settlement, 30g after the lawyer fees.
So is the lesson learned ITT to be a cop?
Did you end up buying a better car with the money?
psh. I had a better car. I was driving a friend's old ass astro-van because I was helping another friend move.
if there was a silver lining I didn't have to help him move anymore after getting my arm broken.
I imagine the cop didn't lose his job?
Well I be derned. Turns out I'm the retard for not detecting obvious sarcasm.
Yep, and that's why if you play stupid games you win stupid prizes. The American judicial system, like the majority of the world, is a joke. You are as likely to roller skate on water as you are to receive a fair trial.
i mean the stuff is being pushed against them for the felony where they said they was drunk running from the cops but never charged
thats one half of it, saying they are criminally insane
the case wehre they stole the hospital records from, they werent even aware of one of the charges, the cops didnt read them their rights, of course he didnt know what he was arrested for. they claimed theyu wehre resisting arrest. their apartment was broken into by the cops over loud music on a halloween night. they had passed out asleep after a couple of shots of liquor and being up for 2 days straight because their father had showed up early that morning taking them out to do something, and htey had stayed up pretty late that night.
that in a case by itself is saying someone is criminally insane, sayin gthey done something they could not of even done.. resisted being arrested without a warrant locked in his own apartment..
the 2nd part is the people reporting saying they are crazy and having them evaluated. saying they where charged with things before. i guess the person needs to get court records of what was said, becuase they had a plan, they said to get out of it. the cop had broke into their room, after he said he didnt consent to him going into there, and drug out a street sign, that they had picked up broken off on the side of the road. things where said in courta bout this,a nd noone interupted them at first, but the judge
What did you end up doing with the money?
>do you think
that without evidence that the state can stand on this case, if say that tape recording of this case that was begged the question on, during the evaluation warrant someone wrote that the judge signed, isnt now found?
thats the question i guess now here
>I imagine the cop didn't lose his job?
I wasn't after his job. I wasn't even really mad until he stood up in court and told 100% lies.
>What did you end up doing with the money?
dropped 10g into bitcoins when it was at $50/coin; the rest went into a bond ladder. Still debating cashing out the now 3.2 mil or let it grow longer. I nearly cashed out at 10g. I think I'll hold till it hits 20g
I'm still not 100% clear on the situation, but generally if a piece of evidence that forms part of the state's case is not made available to the defense, most state's rules of criminal procedure will give the defense the opportunity to ask the court to declare a mistrial. The court may declare a mistrial without prejudice, meaning the state can bring the case again at a later time, or with prejudice, meaning that the state cannot bring the case again.
You should really seek the advice of an attorney. If you're in Pennsylvania, there are pro-bono criminal attorneys and legal aid groups that might help.
How fucked are we for posting (((hate speech))) on this board for years?
> hitler didn't gas the jews, but he should have.
> nig nogs are literally a different species. a low-IQ species. (and nonwhites have less empathy.)
> pizzagate is real, i.e. the most powerful legislators and businessmen are fully controlled via sick blackmail.
> 9/11 was Mossad with Bush's approval
> The moon landings were real but the footage was faked
> women tend to vote socialist which collapses civilization if uunchecked
> all central banks are controlled by the 13 families
>3.2 mil in BC
Sounds like the cop did you a favor. Thats the happiest ending to a legal story I've ever heard
Cash out 25% right now and let the rest ride.
yeah, if I hated my job I'd of "retired" a long time ago. But I actually like my job. So I'm just letting the money build. When I cash out I'll retire to Tampa and be a beach bum, get a charter fishing company or something going. Figure that's a good way to spend the rest of my life.
My uncle retired to Tampa when he was 40, about to turn 40 myself. Seems a legit way to live to me.
I guess you're saying PARTS of it, in your experience, are not true, Counselor.
greentext any incompetent nig nog guard stories?
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