>Be Amerimutt >Murica Produces only around 15,000 Computer Science Grads a Year > Trump is planning to abruptly deport 500,000 to 700,000 Indians, mostly IT workers. > That's 35 years worth of Amerimutt Computer science grads. >Suddenly, no one there to maintain Murican databases, Networks or develop new applications. >Amerimutts who only knows how to use MS office line up to demand $250k a year to lead a team of developers now????
According to an internal memo circulated in the department of homeland security, the US government could ask workers with H-1B visas to leave the country while they wait for pending green cards to come through, the Hindustan Times newspaper reported.
According to the study, founders of billion-dollar startups most often hail from India (14), followed by Canada and the U.K., with eight each, then Israel (7) and Germany (4).
Lincoln Ross
This will be great for stopping the decline of software quality.
Jayden Long
Huh. Sounds like the job market is going to get better. And I'll be able to understand IT when I contact them.
Connor James
Wasn’t there a study finding Indians can’t code at all?
Camden Watson
I literally never dreamed that DJT would reduce the number of bug entries in bugzilla.
Grayson Wilson
How about the 11 million underemployed American STEM graduates?
That's ok, poos are shit IT workers anyway. Tech companies were desperate to cut costs...well, when you hire cheaper workers, it comes at a price.
Asher Sanders
I work for a F500 company, our office's boss just announced we're no longer outsourcing IT help desk jobs and just hired two Americans to work in house on it. India btfo
Noah Carter
Honkeys?
Dominic Williams
I hope Canadians. Please adopt me, America-kun.
Juan Lopez
Around 2008 my company made an initiative to outsource a crucial bit of our development to Indian consulting firm. They worked on it for 2.5 years and couldn't ever get it to work beyond alpha-stage demo purposes. Original quote said 12-16 month development, so was over budget by more than 2x. I made the case to management that it was useless to go 2x over budget in time/money, when we could've just hired stateside and maybe paid the same amount but had a product in half the time. Management ultimately agreed and whole thing was scrapped. From talking with friends in industry, I think many many companies around mid 2010s started to come to the conclusion that "outsourcing" was a best a 30% savings at worse a total scam. But that 30% savings would come with a high price of uncertainty, difficult to manage and control, and ultimately much less control. Unless you are looking to mass produce 8 gorillion widgets, outsourcing makes almost no sense for 95% of the companies out there.
Evan Cruz
Eh, americans? haha. He just created 750.000 jobs for unemployed americans and sends the pajeets back home. Americans should be thrilled about this.
Luke Gonzalez
This would fill them up:
Carter Jackson
Tthese foreign companies also would have no security or care about copyright.
Jacob Roberts
all the coal miners of course
Brayden Gomez
I work IT and every fucking one of them cheat and use dumps to pass test like Microsoft certifications GTFO worthless shitskins.
Jack Anderson
Can we get the 100k Salvadorian refugees to do it?
Adam Jackson
>>Murica Produces only around 15,000 Computer Science Grads a Year
This is part of the problem, this false narrative that only people with "computer science degrees" can do the work.
what's the problem with computer science degrees in america?
Michael Miller
You can go on Alibaba and find the very same products from very well known companies branded as some chink brand. Literally they do 1 assembly run for paying customer and 1 assembly run for chink managers side company.
Jaxon Perez
>Computer Science
Fucking hell, why do all these HR job posters think Computer Science is related to these punjab jobs? Computer Science faggots can't diagnose an outlook issue, let alone a server or network issue. These faggots leaving will open up many opportunities for us IT guys that are stuck working for small businesses, hating life with no benefits and shit pay.
Stop being a bitch and be happy these street shitters are leaving.
Tyler Morales
cs is oversaturated so trump needs to make this happen
im sure my dad will be okay losing his job over it (he fixes indian code for a living)
Blake Robinson
Computer Science is shit dealing with circuit boards and processors and hardware. A step above the knowledge it requires to troubleshoot and fix OS issues, etc. Thing is, it's a step above, but they don't deal with that shit at all. Companies that are run by people that don't know dick about computers see "Computer Science" and think they're an expert on all things computers - which is incredibly wrong.
Luke Martinez
Why not get unemployed americans to do it dummy. indians and salvadorians are not more competent than americans with IT background, they cheat and code totally bullshit in comparison this is well known. they just copy paste code from places like stackoverflow or bullshit like this. Less immigrants = more work for the unemployed people. Amazing people have forgotten about that.
Gabriel Roberts
The U.S. citizens that have them want too much money.
Charles Bailey
so overwhelming majority coming from Europe, and when adjusted to number of americans from each region, MASSIVELY overwhelming percentage coming from Europe.(or Canada, ie whites)
Matthew Bailey
It's almost like the education model needs to be revamped to be less burdensome and laden with superfluous shit designed to keep supply artificially constricted to inflate wages. Weird
Julian Martin
what’s even more amazing is your inability to recognize sarcasm
Ian Collins
This. Pajeets do nothing more than take curried shits in software, creating software cesspools that fuck everything up. Then massive amounts of effort are required to mitigate the damage which can never be undone, especially lost revenue and customers. Bobbleheaded idiots.
Fun fact: Indian households in the US have the highest median income of all demographics, by far, at over $100K/household. Whites are low on the totem pole at around $50K/household. These people are not oppressed and they need to GET THE FUCK OUT.
Pajeet can fuck off back to India and shit things up there in their own designated shitting sandbox.
Kayden Stewart
>The U.S. citizens that have them want too much money. Well they have to cough up the dough and get better quality at the same time. Plus it would be good for americans to get nearly 1 million people from unemployment directly to employment. Who gives a shit if the corporations want to hire incompetent indians instead, you just stop them from doing it and so they now have no other choice but to hire americans as they should've all along.
Nolan Perez
And don't tell me that doesn't happen, RNs, PAs and Physical Therapists have been doing this for years; steadily raising degree requirements and making programs more difficult to enter in order to keep wages up. It's called 'professionalization' under the guise of making practitioners better.
We're talking about doing it in EMS too. Many Paramedics talk about needing to instate a 4 year degree requirement because there are too many paramedics out there keeping wages low.
Oliver Howard
>Computer Science is shit dealing with circuit boards and processors and hardware But shouldn't this belong to an entire different degree (electronics?idk) In my country when you get a computer science degree they just teach you how to code and other stuff, nothing about how to fix a broken computer or how to use a solderer on circuit boards
Jeremiah Collins
classifying all people who can work in skilled IT jobs as needing comp sci is a mistake. there are related disciplines like information systems and computer engineering where the curriculum and resultant skillsets are similar.
Indians are frequently used to displace american workers out of jobs via H1-B, this will reverse course
a lot of the worst abusers would just pay their indian employees in India and have them work remote while their green card applications are processed.
William Collins
I work in the Bay Area (San Francisco is 10 minutes away) and I can attest some H1s are pretty cool guys, they know what they are doing. Not sure if I want their jobs. But I know for a fact that places like Oracle have Indian managers who literally hire everyone from their village and the next village over. It’s cutting costs that severely fuck the IT industry, not immigrants even though they benefit. Same goes for Chinese IT workers also
Ayden Parker
Most Indians don't get degrees user. They give them 3 months this of classes and throw them in. The answer to your question is anyone.
Noah Sanders
Well, that's why my country is #1 in everything but cuisine, and that's why your country is shit in everything but cuisine.
All banter aside, it may be different, but I've worked under a CS degree idiot that managed IT. Always in companies they hire some douche with a CS degree from 1986, or some black woman with a degree in programming of some sort to manage fucking IT. They don't know dick about anything, and we're the ones doing all the legwork, while the bitches get to sit and watch youtube and facebook all day and get paid 100k+.
And unfortunately there's no way to blame boomers for this one, because future generations that take over won't know dick about IT and keep assuming the same thing.
I hate IT but I'm good at it. Wish I could go into a different trade but unfortunately I'm too deep into it now to try and switch.
Brayden Wright
a lot of contract IT is just Indians working in india on indian time. I deal with offshore a LOT.
people ignore this all the time and say hey, let's import hundreds of thousands in on H1-B!
this is frequent, a lot of the indian offshore can't code their way out of a paper bag.
a lot of skilled IT jobs like enterprise applications don't require a CS degree or even coding experience, there's network stuff, functional stuff like finance accounting goods movement etc., technical parts of applications like databases, logs, configs that are not coding, database management, server management, etc... and you don't need a comp sci degree for these. there are related degrees like Information Technology, Management/Computer Information Systems, and Computer Engineering where the skillsets apply, and then people who have learned about these technical subjects while not having a college degree or having a college degree in something else (like mathematics).
i know people with English and Math degrees that have been doing highly technical work at a software company for 25+ years
Carter Perry
They should go back. They got accepted based on their merit and they generally have agencies forge fake certificates for themselves.
Nathan James
Ok. I'm a currently unemployed but experienced IT guy. All my experience is with cloud shit. Virtualization, system and network engineering, that kinda shit.
I havn't been able to find a goddamn job in almost a year now. Is this going to make things better?
Is it even happening?
I've pretty much given up on finding a job in this supposedly "hot" market right now.
William Morales
>less poos in technology this is actually great, Sup Forums will be pleased
Brody Walker
Putting the poos back i ln the loo is there anything he can't do
Jace Cox
lol indians cant do shit right, they are fucking retards. we hired some of them to make some ez code to save money, it was all shit and went to trashcan.
also sold them a used factory that was disassembled and moved to them, they couldnt even put it together, and we ended up selling them also a new one.
James Sanders
might. gaps in employment are still hard for a lot of bigger employers to swallow. without a resume or knowledge of what you did in the past, hard to say.
Oliver Harris
anons, more poo IT stories plz
Liam Rivera
I don't even have a degree, I did IT in the Army and have been working IT for 10 years. Really wish I could find a better job. I'm working for an MSP and it's more stressful than Afghanistan. I'd go through BCT again if it meant not having to do this shit every day. Problem is it's managed by morons who don't know shit about management and have never ran a company thats grown this fast.
Oliver Hill
You don't need a computer science degree to do an IT job. Most of those pajeets are sitting next to a phone all day.
William Ortiz
Yeah. I was on a roll until my contract wasn't renewed, in charge of a lot of stuff. Migrations, backups, etc. Hand my hands in a lot of stuff, which is why being unable to find another job hit me so hard.
I have been doing other shit since then, taking classes, doing consulting work, etc. Thinking of going into machine learning, webdev, or malware analysis.
But yeah that yearlong gap has killed me. Pisses me off because I'm still way more skilled than most, but that doesn't matter to your average H.R. retard.
Sebastian Harris
>Suddenly, no one there to maintain Murican databases, Networks or develop new applications.
Your mistake is thinking poos are required for any of that, or do any of that. They don't. They can be let go tomorrow, and in every case the quality of service will skyrocket. Quality of coding will skyrocket. The only difference you'll see is more shitty "How to" videos on Youtube in broken English as these poos try to use their "skills" to make a living.
Thomas Carter
maintaining a linkedin sucks but the personal contact network can be great for getting an "in" at large companies to get past Human resources and get an initial interview
Kevin Hill
50% of "startups" are doomed to fail, and are just poos trying to grab up some of that sweet investment cash. This will be good for the start up field, it will clean out all of the shit startups that are cluttering up the landscape.
Henry Garcia
Once there is a shortage in a labor market, wages will rise which causes more people to enter that labor market
Landon Jenkins
The tide turned on outsourcing years ago. People are fed up with "Please to go to your Start Window Sir" and want HELP. The savings they made on payroll was wasted on the loss of customer retention and satisfaction. I won't even deal with poos on the phone, I demand to be escalated, because I know the poos have no power, and just read from scripts like trained monkeys. And, if a company I use has Poo help, I stop doing business with them, and tell them why. The US has to take care of it's own, first, despite what liberal globalists demand. We need to put our people to work, India needs to find these people jobs, not us. My biggest hope is that Trump would be the one to turn off the tap on the massive money/job trough the rest of the world has been feeding from for decades. I never thought I'd be an Isolationist, but liberals have driven me to it.
Lucas Price
Yeah I do need to spruce up linkedin. I don't have that many people in my network, only a few that I have felt comfortable hitting up for job contacts.
Theres a fuckload of people trying to get entry level tech jobs right now already.
Jonathan Collins
>Im American >I don't have a degree >I work in IT >I know a lot of other people with out degrees that also work in IT there are plenty of people that are proficient in IT in the US that don't have degrees and area either trying to get work in IT or already work in IT. Plus there are plenty of IT jobs that you really only need certs for.
Caleb Phillips
Computer science is actually the study of computation, it's a more math oriented degree. It usually teaches lambda calculus and shows you how to program much more complicated algorithms. It doesn't, however, teach you how to setup outlook or how to diagnose a bad RAM stick for example.
Easton Parker
Nigga you don't need a degree for IT work you just need some certifications.
Levi Russell
750,000 according to what.. according to watch dog groups ..it's been the same for awhile .. plus the company's that are giving bonuses this year all had layoffs before in the beginning of the year.. 700 for at&t
Anthony Lopez
>who is going to do the IT jobs? Americans shithead
Carson Scott
Nothing to do with computers, or science. It's a math degree
Robert Reyes
Why is everything in India falling apart? I swear, everything in that country is a shithole. No glass in the windows, walls are cracked and falling apart, and the most they do is slap cheap paint on everything. They're a resource rich country. They have a strong economy. They're not socialist. But the entire country is a squalid shithole. They used to have pride and created incredible works of art and architecture. Is it just everyone is retarded from drinking dead people water?
Lincoln Young
>CompSci = IT Pic related: it’s you
Mason Baker
699,000 of those jobs are answering the phone for pissed off comcunt customers and the like get over it skippy, retarded street shitters unable to speak english need to go home
Aaron Edwards
>has American flag >calls Americans "Amerimutts"
You're going back, pajeet
Lincoln Bailey
This. A guy I know designed and sold an iPhone holder - pretty cool design, nothing like it on the market. He invested in having it designed, then manufactured in China. I worked with him, and watched him through the whole process, from idea to getting the first case of finished product. The fuckers in China ran his product at night, with a different label, and flooded the market with it. He never made a dime. When he went over to try and sue, he got nowhere. It's not illegal to do it in China, because they don't recognize our patents and trademarks. It is illegal to ship those products in, but the flood is so great, the odds of catching them coming through customs is small.
Gabriel Rodriguez
There's gonna be a couple hundred thousand apartments in CA opening up, which means rents will fall.
It's just good news no matter how you look at it.
Connor Wilson
They'll handle the Pajeet work for us in India while our white children continue building future technologies. Computer science is the culmination of Western thought and Western practices. Only Western whites built this shit and only Western whites will continue to develop it.
Remember the 80s when Japan was supposed to take over the advanced economy? >No Japanese Steve Jobs* >No Japanese self driving car
Steve Jobs' father was Syrian but he never met his father, found out about his father, and refused to meet his father because his Syrian father was a dirtbag
James Bennett
Just because they're not on American soil doesn't mean they won't be doing their jobs remotely. Also, 3/4 of them are useless and Americans are already "poo wranglers". So basically nothing will change.
Nicholas Rivera
FUCK YES I'm a Network Engineer for a fortune 500 Telecom and for the last five years I've watched more and more of my buddies get laid off, then get saddled training these smelly stupid pajeetz who barely speak english and have zero understanding of network fundamentals. Get them the fuck out of here bring real americans and real wages back to tech
Luis Cruz
Nonsense. Wages have been stagnant if not falling for decades, they haven't kept up with inflation, and the majority of American workers below the executive office are underpaid. The cost of living has been climbing steadily due to inflation, and wages have not kept up.
Brody Bailey
>Be Op >Be Canadafag >Use American Flag >Other Leafs Call you Fag
Trudeau, get back to sucking chinee business dick!
Aiden Ross
>linux final lecture >basic permissions is it really as retarded as it is portrayed in this image?
Elijah Adams
The overwhelming majority of Indians I have to interact with in the Bay Area are unfriendly, allof, snotty, entitled, and piss poor at whatever job they've been handed by a H1-B program - often trained by the person they're replacing. They're insular, do not seek to integrate into US society, they take over neighborhoods and complain about EVERYTHING, are rude, and I'm fucking sick of them.
Samuel Jackson
Those are H-1B pajeets hired to replace my buddies for clarification. They don't even have their certs most of the time it's ridiculous
Matthew Bell
How bad is it inside enemy territory?
Xavier Lee
>only a few that I have felt comfortable hitting up for job contacts
You need to get over that right now, hit them up, and make them feel like they are doing you a huge favor.
Meanwhile, they abuse loopholes in H1B laws to not have to hire locally (they post fake job ads) and can import cheap labor who replace the local workers who have to train their replacements. Thank you Trump for fixing this! youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU
>who is going to do the IT jobs? Here's how it works moron. If there's nobody available to do the job. you increase the salary and the labor market adapts to find the next equilibrium. It's called a free market, not a slave market. Trump should point this out to the next arrogant Silicon Valley CEO who tries to pretend "worker shortage" isn't anything other than fucking over domestic workers.
Jacob Perez
It's fine. It'll finally give Sup Forums something productive to do.
Austin Martinez
Bad. The apartment complex I live in is half poos, and they're the unfriendliest people I've ever experienced, and I've traveled all over the world. They complain about EVERYTHING. They're rude. Their kids are rude. They stand around and smirk at anyone not Indian. They clog stores - why the fuck does it take the entire extended poo family, all 15 of them, to buy one t-shirt at Target? And bitch at the people who work there that it's not on sale? Oh, that's right, they're too fucking cheap to pay for real entertainment. If it's free, it'll be covered in a cloud of poos instantly.
Thomas Hernandez
>lol who's going to do the IT jobs? maybe the people who trained the imported labor?
Blake Myers
I thought you wrote hotkeys and had myself a chuckle.
Justin King
This. They're not "doing jobs Americans won't do" - they're working jobs that were directly taken away from American workers.
We gotta cut welfare for the rest of the world. The Indian government can find these people jobs. It's not our job, anymore.
Jace Rogers
>Have you tried turning it off and on again? Have you tried the loo?
Caleb Gomez
The job started out great, bunch of good old boys doing tech shit and having fun. Over the years things have gotten worst. More and more of us laid off and replaced by poos, more and more sensitivity training and PC requirements from HR, tighter restrictions on travel company cars etc. Still a great paying job with great benefits so i won't leave unless I'm laid off but i don't enjoy it like i used to
Jackson Richardson
i bet this guy could do the job
Aiden Bailey
If this actually happens and leads to me getting a job when I graduate in a year or two I would seriously think Trump is the best president ever.
Luke Rogers
>who is going to do the IT jobs
How about all the white people that have been out of work because of all these goddamn Indians working for peanuts who never unionize.
Tyler White
>Less Poos to flood the market >Wages go up >Whites in IT jobs earn more money How awful.
Grayson Gutierrez
Oh look its this same thread from last week posted again.
1.) There are between 300-500k new H-1Bs approved annually, its not putting a stop to that, its putting a stop to the H-1B workers who come here, the visa reaches its end, and they stall departing the US for years while they make applications for green cards or other things which take time to review.
2.) There are roughly 7-8 million people working tech or IT jobs in the United States. Assuming that every single H-1B green card applying Indian currently in the US is working a tech job (they aren't, H-1Bs cover a number of other fields- engineering, medical, scientific research, education, etc.) that means that deporting all of them would at most cause a 10% drop in bodies. This would open a lot of jobs for graduating CIS majors, and promotion opportunities for actual Americans working beneath foreigners. Things would not fall apart with 90% of the IT workforce in tact.
3.) The people who will really suffer for this are the companies who became accustomed to having cheap labor for higher skilled technical work. Actual Americans who are employed in IT should be cheering this on. It will open a lot of jobs and opportunities taken up by foreign workers who are, contrary to popular belief, not "filling a hole" but rather filling one for cheaper than an American would. This drives down the wages for all IT workers in the US slightly. Companies doing IT work are largely under contract to perform work for a given price over a period of years, and if the market for replacement employees are no longer H-1B poo-loos and will not accept that price companies will have to default on contractual obligations or eat the difference and hire the American workers. Sure, many will simply be replaced by new H-1Bs, but the churn rate if they are not allowed to stay and continue working in the US while awaiting green cards could be so much that companies are forced to abandon their dependence on H-1Bs.
Alexander Gomez
The guilty parties are the out of control corporations and corrupt government who collaborate to appease their endless thirst for cheaper labor. The swamp needs to be drained, and the corporations need to be brought to heel.
Colton Phillips
>There are between 300-500k new H-1Bs approved annually, its not putting a stop to that, its putting a stop to the H-1B workers who come here, the visa reaches its end, and they stall departing the US for years while they make applications for green cards or other things which take time to review. they're not really stalling, the issue is the H1-B is three year visa with one three year extension and then the time for most indians to get a green card exceeds 12 years, basically right now they are processing permanent residence applications from Indians who were here on visa making them in 2006
the problem is that if you let an employer bring in someone on H1-B for five years and then get a grace to have automatic extensions after he goes for green card, you basically have an indentured servant for 17+ years who is still in the US labor market. so the number of H1-B's granted per year is academic at that point, because 1) any h1-b holder granted a visa can stay here for six years 2) any H1-B visa holder who has applied for a green card can stay for MORE THAN A DECADE. India + China applicants often wait in excess of 15 years.
this entire time they're still in the US labor market and nobody is checking on whether or not he's still being paid a fair wage or whether or not a US worker could be hired at this point.
Daniel Brooks
Do you poo in loo?
Leo Morgan
>If this actually happens and leads to me getting a job when I graduate in a year or two I would seriously think Trump is the best president ever. The sad thing is it should be the default. You have to make sure your own people are employed, it's indias job to employ indians, and it makes no sense to allow for like 1 million of your own people to be unemployed because corporations have decided that pajeets matter more than american people whilst also driving down wages in that particular job sector. The only reason you should ever use visa workers was if they have a specific competence that nobody in your nation can do, otherwise hire your own fucking people so they aren't unemployed. I mean it's so basic and it's the governments response to regulate this so that corporations not loyal to the US screw them over by using foreign labour whilst actual americans go unemployed. The whole notion that it's acceptable that immigrants take jobs is nonsense. It's up to their own countries to create jobs for them. And if they did those countries were probably better off too.
Brayden Phillips
>be me >HR senior professional specialist manager >Get resume >Aarav Bindal, 24 >Graduated 4.0 in top university >15 years practical field experience in C/C++, Java, Python 2 and 3, Ruby >12 years in .NET, whitespace, Javascript and HTML >Invented a coding language from a firmware on a handmade breadboard processor that will do the calculations for Indias upcoming space program >Was president of 5 academic clubs and 3 social clubs in university >Spends every waking moment outside of work honing his skills in not only all of the above languages but also in culinary arts and 3 instruments I cant pronounce >Has some control over the weather >3 letters of recommendation from respected and renowned Indian Ph.Ds
Why would I even look at any of you? I have like 15 applicants from Bengaluru Institute of Science alone at this level on my desk for our engineering department to interview.
Matthew Flores
Right...which is what I was saying in my post.....?
Elijah Phillips
i'm just saying the indians aren't dragging their feet, it's the government. having them stay here in the labor pools does americans no favors, especially since they're still tied to a particular employer + job while the adjustment of status application is in.
Jace Allen
I'm an Indian. I'm tired of all the things people say about us. I mean, which other country is hated the most? North Korea? We're probably next to North Korea. Several people called me "pajeet", "who shits on the streets" "giv bob and vegana" as soon as I told them I'm from India. I'm now afraid of telling that I'm Indian. I feel ashamed. One person said "US should nuke India" on a youtube video about India and it got hundreds of likes or upvotes. Most of the things people say only apply to poor people and uneducated. People like me in the cities probably never saw anyone shitting on streets. I honestly never saw anyone shit on streets. At least from what I know, people don't shit on "streets" but in an open area like farmlands in villages. I keep my identity hidden and don't tell anyone that I'm Indian. I'm afraid they'll treat me differently. I keep trying to avoid those comments but they are affecting me. Not directly but indirectly. For example, read any Reddit threads about, you'll see hate comments about India. Fuck this shit
Angel Sanchez
I've seen this happen to my apartment complex. Once all the Asian parents that moved into an apartment to get the good school zone get out, the poos moved in and ruined everything. A faint hint of curry lingers in the air.
The mind virus spreads amongst the company. Good luck out there. What would you recommend as advice to a fledgling engineering student on the things people won't tell you, even behind closed doors?
Evan Evans
You can't control where you're born, but a lot of Indians are bad, and most H1-Bs are bad. Firms like Infosys, Tata, etc. bring in shit resources who lie about their experience and then classify them as level 1 resources at $60,000/yr and then have them replace resources that are making $120,00+/yr plus benefits.
You can be proud of your country AND willing to integrate in the US. You can be Indian AND be good at your job and properly paid.
The problem is that India itself has a lot of problems and a LOT of the Indians who come to the US are not good.
Part of the problem is that once Indians get into management many will favor other indians heavily. I've seen IT departments go from 20% Indian to nearly 100% indian in two years on US soil. H1-B doesn't help because it ups the ability to hire an Indian by feigning need and then employing him at a rate well below the market wage.
