Is this literally the only good entry in this entire franchise once you take off the nostalgia goggles?

Is this literally the only good entry in this entire franchise once you take off the nostalgia goggles?

I think my dick is a good entry in your mom you shiteating fucking secondary.

Only the original VN is any good.

that would be fate extra CCC

When you say franchise, do you mean Fate or Type-Moon in general? If we're talking Fate, the original series: Fate/stay night, Fate/hollow ataraxia and Fate/zero are 10/10

Only the Prisma Ilya spinoff is any good

>the only good entry in the franchise
>the only one not written by Nasu

really recharges your mana

>Saber in the focus on all of the Fate/Zero artwork when it has an ensemble cast

No.

Strange Fake is good too.

Can't we just replace Fate threads with threads dedicated to superior franchise, Tsukihime?

Better yet, can we just enjoy the nasuverse as a whole?

Nah

>ANN: How much control and input did you have over the characters who participated in the 4th Holy grail war? Did you sit down with Kinoko Nasu and discuss who would be added to the Nasuverse or were you given free reign to create any characters that were not previously established?

Gen Urobuchi: The process was that I drafted up a proposal for the new characters and the plot, and showed it to Nasu-san for his supervision. However, consequently, 90% of those proposals were accepted as they were already Nasu-san's ideas. As for character names, Hisau Maiya was only character name that I suggested. The other characters were all named by Nasu-san.

>In the Fate/stay night visual novel, Saber mentions that she only talked to Emiya Kiritsugu three times during the 4th Holy Grail War. Was it difficult writing a story in which the two main characters can only talk to each other directly 3 times?

In order to abide by the original story, the character Irisviel has been introduced. Saber only talks to Irisviel. Kiritsugu only talks to Irisviel, too. So, in the end, Irisviel plays the role of facilitating communication between these two, who do not talk to each other.

>How often did you feel you had change elements out the story in your head to fit in with the story of Fate/stay night? Were there any plot elements that had to be completely scrapped to stay within the overall time line? Did you feel you had retcon anything in Fate/stay night to fit into your story?

As a result of the discussions between Takeuchi-san (character design) and myself, Kirei Kotomine's height in Fate/stay night was revised for Fate/Zero. Also, we had to adjust the relationship between Saber and Kiritsugu, so as not to be too bad. We were afraid that if Saber excessively increases her distrust toward Kiritsugu, she would not easily open her heart to Shiro, who is Kiritsugu's adopted child.

fate zero is shit though

So yeah, is shit.

We haven't been able to do that since 2014. Do you remember why?

Serious question: what the fuck happened to the remake?

I've been putting off finishing Tsukihime for years because I thought the remake's release date was "soon".

Mahoyo was forgotten. Fate is making money.

Fate G/O has blinded Type-Moon with all the money it's making

user you baka.

What has Sony done to Type-Moon?

The characters and story are approached in a way more appealing manner.

>Also, we had to adjust the relationship between Saber and Kiritsugu, so as not to be too bad. We were afraid that if Saber excessively increases her distrust toward Kiritsugu, she would not easily open her heart to Shiro, who is Kiritsugu's adopted child.

This doesn't really make any sense, since her last memory of the 4th War was always going to be Kiritsugu backstabbing her so hard every Englishman on earth felt it.

No matter what, her perspective looks like this:

"YAMEROOOOOOOOoooohh hey, new Master, same name as the old Master."

She doesn't really start opening her heart to Shirou until he shakes her hand like a man and pledges to win the Cup for her, something Kiritsugu never did.

Explain

More emphasis on the battles and interesting protag to name a couple.

Hey, I finished all the fun routes. Just Kohaku and Hisui left.

I tried starting Hisui's route but I just don't give a fuck about the maids.

Tsukihime didn't end when they ran out of stories, it ended when they run out of money.

Fate brings in money, which means more stories.

this.

Akiha is best girl.

Zero = for normal people

Fate = for NEETs needing something to fap to

>I finished all the fun routes. Just Kohaku and Hisui left.
But the maid routes are better than all the other ones. Read them before you get spoiled because they explain a lot of shit that happened.
I am a Kohakufag so I'm biased, but they are good routes.
Kohaku did NOTHING wrong

DELET THIS

Nice font file

Prisma is the best Fate offshot. Paradox with Nasuverse is that (comedy) spinoffs are the best but to fully enjoy them you must also be familiar with base material.

Kohaku's route is good. Even if you don't like her as a character, it's one of the more intense ones.

Y-You too
I have no clue what you mean by font file

FS/N is bad though. Zero isn't ultra great or anything, but it's a decent watch. The S/N VN is generic chuuni garbage with atrocious writing and worse pacing. I really don't understand why anyone likes it.

punctuation and spaces shows up as | in your game

kys

I really, really want an adaptation of the 3rd War following the Tohsaka member. IIRC the Tohsaka family was pretty weak until this dude managed a goddamn miracle, won the war (although he didn't get his wish) and fucked an Edelfelt. I want to see that!

It was held right before WW2 so you have Nazis, Commies and the IJA running around, and this is when Avenger gets summoned so it's a pivotal moment in the story. Risei Kotomine becomes the Supervisor, too.

44 seconds is probably record timing for me.

But it's true.

Fate/other night, aka, Heaven's Feel

The biggest problem I have with the TypeMoon universe is that Nasu decided he'd make the FSN VN based on the Fifth HGW.

Word of God says the first two wars were jokes that ended really quickly and wouldn't be entertaining. I can accept that. I'd be happy with just mentions of that.

But where Nasu fucked up was deciding that the Fifth war would have multiple, all equally canon routes, utterly gimping the prospect of sequels beyond expansions of each route, adding more routes, or utter continuity clusterfucks like H/A.

By making the Fifth HGW the VN with multiple routes, he limited how the universe can be used. From that point, only the preceding wars can be given singular canon narratives, although constrained by what is said in the Fifth HGW about them (this is not a bad thing, in the case of Zero it worked really well. But only because Urobutcher is good at writing when you give him clear plot points to include and adhere to).

So if you like the universe, too bad, the only decent work that can be produced in it without retcon is adaptations of the Fourth and Third HGW. Fate Zero was excellent, leagues better than FSN, because Nasu didn't write it and it had a single narrative.

If FSN had been something like, the 15th war, with the first war happening much earlier, this wouldn't be as big a problem. But Nasu utterly lacks the ability to plan for the long term.

I wouldn't even be this upset if other works could at least adhere to the same universe. I like that Tsukihime takes place in the same universe, but again he gimped the future use of any characters by using multiple routes. But then you've got KnK, which is excellently written in comparison, but no, it has to occur in a parallel universe that follows the same rules.

I'll admit that I only played the Fate route, and some of UBW. But I really can't imagine that it gets that much better after 30 straight hours of trash.

My only beef with Kohaku route is that it makes me want a 2nd Akiha route.

You should fuck off. Your opinion is worth shit.

>you will never watch Fate/zero's ninonico streams again with Sup Forums

This shit is among the most fun I've had on this board

HF is both really good and really fucking bad. It's a weird experience cause while everything comes crashing down around the characters and shit seems to be fucked, they still try and pretend everything is fine and have tons of SoL and cooking scenes. It's kinda jarring.

It's really not much better. Like if you go back many years, it was UBW is the greatest guis trust us, and then people realized it was garbage. Now we're here.

Fate/Zero is a pretty terrible way to get into the Fate series. It's fine to watch on its own if you have no interest in Fate because its story is surface-level and doesn't require one to understand anything about the Fate setting in order to enjoy it. It just skips around from character to character and focuses on the drama between the characters.

That's why as an introduction to Fate it's terrible. An introduction should give you a basic understanding of the setting and make it easier to jump into other parts of the franchise, but F/Z does neither of these because it's too wrapped up in its shallow character drama to participate meaningfully in Fate's worldbuilding. Almost everything important in F/Z that would help you understand the core concepts of Fate is just taken from F/SN and then skimmed over without really explaining it.

>My only beef with Kohaku route is that it makes me want a 2nd Akiha route.
I would've wanted that either way because Akiha doesn't get any good endings where her and Shiki get to enjoy life together. I really want to see an offshoot sequel where Tohno has to take on the DAAs in order to stop the resurrection of the Dark Six.
Imagine how bad Akiha must have felt in the Kohaku route when she was getting NTRd by her maid
>I'll admit that I only played the Fate route, and some of UBW. But I really can't imagine that it gets that much better after 30 straight hours of trash.
Not him, but when you admit to not having read the entirety of the source material, and then ask "what do people even like about this?", you probably aren't going to generate much productive discussion.

They literally spent the entire first episode having someone walk in a circle and explain it to you. The reason Zero is good is because it doesn't focus on that shit.

Except multiple routes hasn't caused any problems at all for creating sequels and spin-offs because Fate is and always has been a multiverse. Have you even played the VN?

>Akiha doesn't get any good endings where her and Shiki get to enjoy life together.
Her true end where Shiki disappears gets retconned in KT. Or rather than retconned, he just comes back. Cause reasons.

HF's cooking scenes i'm iffy about cause while I was reading I kept thinking to myself I just want to see what happens next but by the end of the route it made me appreciate Sakura more and the normal ending hits harder.

I miss the memes I've started to frequent Sup Forums slightly before FZ started airing. Wild ride.inb4, VN/LNfag

I mean, the true end ends with the possibility that he's still alive, it just seems like grief fueled delusion on its own. I'm personally glad Nasu likes happy endings

>Like if you go back many years, it was UBW is the greatest guis trust us, and then people realized it was garbage.
Quit implying that people all agreed on anything. Sup Forums is not one person. Have you considered that less people are talking about UBW because
1. Talking about it invites secondaries which decreases the quality of the discussion
2. People who watched UBW either felt satisfied with it so feel no need to talk about it or disliked it so they don't want to talk about it.
3. You're a faggot.

It's not like reading 30 hours didn't give me a pretty good idea of what it is. Just because I didn't sit through another 20 of unlikable characters, badly written chuuni battles, long winded out of place cooking scenes, and out of place ero scenes with lots of seafood analogies doesn't mean I don't have a food picture. I don't have to eat an entire plate of shit to know that the second half is going to taste about the same as the first, with maybe a little more corn.

>Her true end where Shiki disappears gets retconned in KT
Really? I need to read KT then. I've been putting it off for a while because of real life stuff.
Akiha deserved it though.

We can all agree Hisui is best Turkeyhandle right?
>ywn hear her voice again
It hurts.

Neh, it's more like H/F>>>>UBW>>F/Z>>>>shit>>>>>>>Stay Night

First route is only good as an infodump and to show the most "standard" way things can go

You really shouldn't try to talk about things you know nothing about, secondary. That first episode exposition is surface-level info dump you get in basically every Fate title, it doesn't explain anything about the setting or worldbuilding and in fact contains deliberate misinformation that F/Z does nothing to clear up. You act like it's good that F/Z doesn't dive into the worldbuilding but you're just confirming what I said: it's fine for secondaries who don't want to get into Fate, but as an introduction it's terrible because it does absolutely nothing to ease people into Fate's confusing mythos.

>Not him, but when you admit to not having read the entirety of the source material, and then ask "what do people even like about this?", you probably aren't going to generate much productive discussion.
>D-dude, you've played through 30 hours of this ~100 hour game, y-you can't POSSIBLY make yourself a good opinion of it! At least finish the TUTORIAL!
That's how you Fatefags all sound like when someone criticizes your shitty VN.

Yeah, the original VN sucks dick.

KT is great, I kinda enjoyed it a bit more than Tsukihime and I can brag that I managed to 100% clear it without the flowchart.

Len is super cute.

It also has the only TM h-scene I've managed to fap to.

Those things never stopped people back then. I dunno why it suddenly stopped them now just because the recent one is so super special because some faggots finally got to watch something people had watched twice already.

Why are u so angry o.0

In buzzwords: HF is even more shonenshit and over the top than UBW. Fags won't admit it because they are blinded by mature grimdark atmosphere, rape and edgy Saber. Looking back, progressing from there to moba seems just too natural.

>20 of unlikable characters
I liked them pretty well
>Badly written chuuni battles
Depends on which ones you're referring to. Shirou vs Gil, Saber vs. Fake Assassin, all the battles in HF were good in my opinion. Also Saber+Archer vs Berserker in UBW was nice.
HF has a very different tone and atmosphere from the rest of the VN so please stop acting like you know what it is like when you haven't read it.
>We can all agree Hisui is best Turkeyhandle right?
Her sister is better, but both are wonderful.

It's split into 3 separate stories, he read only the first one which is the most straight forward and exposition-heavy. The routes get more complicated and introduce more unexpected twists, with HF being radically different from the other two. So yeah, he's not really in a position to say anything because he played through babby's first Fate story.

It's hilarious how much I get called a secondary just for going against the circlejerk. Believe it or not it is possible to read things and not like every aspect of them.

Akiha is my favorite girl, but the end of her KT story just shits all over the ending of her Tsukihime route. It was really fucking bittersweet, but it was a satisfying ending. KT's retcon was just unnecessary.

You're a secondary because it's obvious you've only watched F/Z, because you think F/Z adequately explains the Fate setting.

>and I can brag that I managed to 100% clear it without the flowchart.
You're full of shit, user. You literally have to manipulate your save file to 100% it.

I don't care if you criticize or praise, if you haven't completed it your opinion is worthless. Cry some more.

>o.0

Back to whatever designated normie network you came from.

So you do admit that at least 1/3 is shit and the second third isn't that much different?
Now tell me, why would a normally built human sit through 2/3 of shit only to reach something that might be good? They don't.

I love Akiha she deserved more love.

Once again, I've read the VN. I just don't another 4 episodes of exposition dump would have been good for the series. Maybe actually come up with some points instead of just hiding behind

>muh source material

And

>muh secondaries

Every time someone disagrees with you.

Vanilla Turkeyhandle: Hisui > Akiha >= Arc
Post Vanilla: Sion = Kohaku > Arc > *

>That's how you Fatefags all sound like when someone criticizes your shitty VN without having read it all*
Ftfy
There is also a difference between saying "I didn't like something" and "It is badly written". The former is subjective and the latter is objective. If you try to speak objectively without offering facts and evidence, people are going to be hostile towards you. As they should.
So, would you like to be more specific about your criticisms or is shitposting more fun for you?
>KT is great, I kinda enjoyed it a bit more than Tsukihime and I can brag that I managed to 100% clear it without the flowchart.
I will definitely read it soon then.

>that scene where she tells Shiki to take her with him whenever he decides to go live on his own.
My heart couldn't handle it.

I really don't think that's the case, just replay from the beginning a lot. Is that for the CG with girl Arc showing up in the photo Makihisa had hidden?

>believing the UBW is good meme
>believing the HF is good meme
I wonder if Fatebabbys actually laugh at all the idiots that fall for that shit after they read Fates and hate it, then proceed to spend hours more reading this porn novel.

Dude, I don't care what you think, somebody who thinks a work featuring shit like "YOU DODGED MY UNDODGEABLE BLOW", Rin running after Shirou like a shitty tsundere in the hallways, Saber "forgetting to activate her instincts" against the teacher who SOMEHOW manages to best her despite being human, the ex-machina Caliburn or even Gil coming out of fucking nowhere or... well I think you get it.

You realize people do this with TV shows all the time right?

>The first x episodes are slow, but if you can make it to episode y it's totally worth it.

Badly written is subjective. "Bad" is subjective.

I saw Fate/Zero before anything else in the series and it's probably my least favourite of the main franchise, even with spoilers. Kiritsugu a shit.

Oh, well then enjoy getting shat on every time you decide to share your retarded opinion. Typing like a redditor spastic doesn't help your case either.

>waaah why won't people listen to my retarded opinion even if I read only 1/3 of the work?
Do you realize how retarded you sound?

Back to Sup Forums or whatever shithole you came from

No, I said it's straight forward and exposition-heavy. Which is beneficial to you as a new reader because it makes it easier to adapt to the twists that come later because you know how it should play out 'normally'. Also, each new route adds new layers of understanding to the previous ones. Because each route focuses on different aspects of the war and you interact with different people, it makes what happens in the other routes different in retrospect. Fate is very much the "surface level" version of the story, but there's still all that other stuff beneath the surface you're not seeing. After you play through UBW and HF, you are aware even as you stay on the placid surface of what is lurking beneath it, unseen.

Yes, but that's usually not "the first 20 episodes are total garbage, but the last 4 are ok"

Not to mention that VNs are usually a bigger time commitment.

And people who say that usually just aren't able to understand buildup.

>That post
>That picture
Get. Out.

There's a huge difference between sitting through dozens of HOURS and only a few episodes that reach barely 1/10 or 1/20 of that amount combined.

Fucking Grisaia was better written.

>"r-r-redditor!!" he said running away, his face flushed, hiding his shame of being told and having no retort

>Dude, I don't care what you think
Replying to someone isn't a good way to show how little you care.
>Saber "forgetting to activate her instincts" against the teacher who SOMEHOW manages to best her despite being human
She didn't forget to "activate her instincts". The teacher fought in a way that instincts were useless because it was completely unconventional. Did you forget he was being buffed by Caster who had "Age of Gods" tier magic at her disposal? It seems like somehow Fate was 2deep4u and that your idiocy is the author's fault.

UBW has fun fights and HF has fun Illiya and Rider interaction. But I admit that I had more fun reading Demonbane.

Typing.Like.An.Underage.Retard

You're not even replying to the person you are complaining about. Believe it or not, there are several people here that don't like it.

You have to mess with your save for the different pictures, and I'm pretty sure it was possible to lock yourself out of the true ending and force you to mess with your save.

Nice quip. Bet it gets you all the upvotes.

You haven't read shit. I'm not talking about exposition dumps at all, I'm talking about contributions to the worldbuilding and actually dealing with the concepts important to Fate's multiverse. Fate/Zero only barely touches on these things, it cuts out the story right as the curtain gets pulled back and you see the truth of the HGW and it doesn't bother to explain anything. If you had actually played the VN you'd know what I'm talking about when I mention things like Rin using the 2nd magic or the true purpose of the HGW, which feature heavily in F/SN but are not really dealt with at all in F/Z.