Yuri On Ice and other yaoi type things

Hey guys. Kinda new here. I was just wondering about a few things. I have this one female friend who is totally obsessed with yaoi anime such as YOI and others. What is it about two pretty boys in love that turns girls on?

Dicks

What is it about two pretty girls in love that turns boys on?

Attraction to men + insecurity about themselves.

t. Former fujoshi who eventually grew out of it

>What is it about two pretty boys in love that turns girls on?
Because nips aren't retarded and don't treat all girls like lesbians.

The whole "pretty boy" culture in yaoi and even in some otome stuff is pretty lesbionic. Like why can't the men look like men, again?

Women desire to be raped in the ass. That's all you need to know.

Here's a balding man with a huge shiny forehead and eye wrinkles for you.

I can vouch for this as well.

And he literally looks like a woman.

I am kinda immune to prettyboys because I read so much shoujo/otome etc but all the hottest guys end up being in seinen etc. Japanese think women are lesbian or that beauty = femininity or something. Where are the square jawlines and broad chests, why all these pointy chin, doe eyed weenies?

Shoujo guys make up for it when they have sexy dominate personalities at least.

>two pretty boys
>in love

You literally answered your own question, you fucking autist.

It was a pretty romantic scene. Have another bald.

It might be a romantic scene (is it the same as ) but why do they act like women? Why the blushing and doe eyes? (Especially the stupid blushing). These men are so emasculated, what is the point anymore?

There is definitely a strong element of lesbianism there.

>but why do they act like women?
So they can self-insert.

Yeah I get that for the goofy stereotypical seme/uke dynamics but in that scene they both seem pretty feminized. I haven't seen the show though, just screenshots and that clip posted.

>why the blushing

Because they're in love.

>why the doe eyes

Those change after what kind of scene it is.

>Because they're in love.

Decent hetero guys in manga manage not to blush their faces off like schoolgirls. Yaoi males need to htfu.

>hetero guys

Well these two aren't.

You are right they are 2 lesbian trapped in boyish bodies.

What is it about 2 cute guys that turn guys on

That's why it's called Yuri on Ice.

There's not a single late night anime aimed at women that isn't focused on pretty boys. What what would be the women's equivalent of Jojo? A show focused solely on female characters for the vast majority while being aimed at women?

These are two MANLY MEN.

Such a thing seems nearly nonsensical to me. Why would I want to watch a bunch of women running around when I can watch a bunch of hot guys running around?

That said, Sailor Moon Crystal seems to be aimed at women who are nostalgic for the anime of their youth and is still focused largely on female characters, though not "solely" so.

What does self insecurity have to do with liking 2D gay boys?

Did you mean to respond to that post?

In my experience, it was the fact that I was insecure in myself as a woman being fucked or having a romance with a man so I retreated into man/man love, which allowed a certain amount of plausible distance from the sex or romance happening on the page.

Once I got older and grew more comfortable understanding myself sexually as a woman I started enjoying hetero romances more and more and now I barely even know what I saw in yaoi. In fact effeminate guys became a major turn off, like wtf kind of a guy is that? Why would I want a weird effeminate woman/man hybrid when I can just have a regular woman, like myself?

That's just how it went for me. I was into yaoi from about the age of 12/13 to like...early 20s.

That's not the reason for most others. That's just you having issues.

>I, me

Cool blog but the usual reason is that 2D boys are hot and two is even hotter.

A guy acting like a little submissive weenie is so un-hot that he cancels out any hotness coming from the first guy. Also ime hetero sex is way hotter.

This happened to me also.

True, but I prefer bara.

>I'm not like other girls xD

>not being turned on by two men taking turns aggressively turning the other into a moaning, quivering, woman.

You're a strange one.

>eye wrinkles

Nobody actually believes this meme, do they?

Nice pasta, saved.

Most women aren't fujos. One day you'll probably grow out of it too.

Same thing as dudes liking lesbians making out with eachother.

Shoujoshit is much more mature ^-^

I don't consider myself a fujo but gay shit >>> het shit

Nice blog! :)

Oh goodie, shoujo males who don't emote beyond being smug. Why would I want more of that?

Dominant shoujo males aren't fun to look at, no matter what body type they have. Not a very good range of emotions.

There's a reason why shoujo inspires countless dramas that literally charm women and girls around the world and fujoshit (meaning "rotten shit") is reserved primarily for awkward basement dwelling teenagers with zero romantic experience of their own.

American masculinity is a joke in the first place anyway.

1 dick = good
2 dicks = better

Is it really that hard?

Also, I personally don't want to see vaginas in my porn

nip dramas are melodramatic and beyond retarded

Normalfag shit is the worst.

>image
So you prefer borderline rapists?

Men appearing in shoujo and yaoi are generally very bland and generic in terms of personality and appearance. They are about as interesting as your average haremshit MC.

>Fujoshit saving shoujo manga

Bland and generic is the standard for most MCs in all of manga and anime.

The true is that there{s expeditions to that in Yaoi as there is in every other genre: slower things like Nemureru Tsuki or Asada Nemui's works come to mind.
Then again, this isn't a recommendation thread and I doubt you are interested anyway.

I'd like more masculine boys as well, but I want a range. It'd be nice to see muscular boys and men, but I don't want the leaner boys to go away completely either.

Just read fucking Mentaiko and be done with it, for fuck's sake

I'm holding my breath on that one. It feels like this is too early a victory.

Shounen is definitely better in the emoting department. Shounen males still have their problems, same as shoujo males, but the range of emotions they go through is much better.

I guess it's because the demographic has better reference material for boys. They'll still be idealized for the demographic, but they're allowed to express themselves more.

>Too early
10-11 books is quite a lot for a romcom

>winning this early

he's obviously gonna lose in the end.

All your questions and more can be answered.

Igarashit knows he lost. But I understand the doubt, Senpai is so genuine and nice you'd think he never had a chance because guys like him never him.

It's really obvious when most fujoshi are teenage girls and the older ones are the equivalent of a male NEET who hate themselves so much they can't stand to watch other girls onscreen even if it's 2D

>I haven't seen the show though, just screenshots and that clip posted.
So why are you even trying to argue?

Also this thread
>implying shoujo and BL don't literally look the same most of the time

>There is definitely a strong element of lesbianism there.
Not really. That's like saying tomboys appeal to homosexuality.
The artists use cues which would be intuitively familiar to girls who have no real experience with men. That way, they can communicate things like love, attraction, feelings and so on that are the appeal of the material without demanding a prior context that the reader (particularly a young and insecure reader) might find alien. Same reason romances focused at men rarely include the girl doing her makeup in the morning or dealing with feminine hygiene. Not every inherently gendered aspect of a character is necessarily appealing.

>people actually think Victor isn't a prettyboy archetype

He's the worst example in the show of a realistic or masculine looking male. You could have atleast used Otabek but I guess he's not in a canon gay relationship so you can't. Point still stands.

It's funny how YoI fags like to shit on freeshit so much, but Victor and Yuuri literally act like fruity as fuck men at best and women when they are with each other. I don't mean fruity as in obvious gay I mean fruity as in they are flaming and lost their dicks somewhere.

>He's the worst example in the show of a realistic or masculine looking male
He's pretty, sure, but his looks are actually based off a real man

Flaming men are still men user

I don't care about any of the endgames to be honest, but winning so early in a shoujo is never a good sign 98% of the time. Especially since supposedly two whole volumes are left.

Are you seriously saying guys don't blush in male-aimed shows as well? I've seen it happen plenty enough in say, shounen

It's funnier because most of the tropes gay BL or fujoshit shows use they got from dramas that were intended for het female audiences. YoI is shojo-tier just that they are both guys.

It's alright, author will fill the gap with romcom and lewds at the end.

That doesn't mean he's not a prettboy archetype. He's the least realistic and masculine looking man in the show. Even the literally "draw a girl call it a boy" character is manlier than he is.

Only beta males blush

Biologically, but the way they emote is feminine and if they didn't have dicks I wouldn't know the difference.

This. They only seem like normal guys to girls who've never interacted with guys at all. All that "teehee rings xd" shit is something two girls or perhaps two flaming faggots might do, not normal guys.

>the literally "draw a girl call it a boy" character is manlier than he is

He's a good example of prettyboy done right. Doesn't come off as a flaming faggot in the least. Also helps that he's just generally a very good example of a realistic teenage boy his age. You never see that shit in anime.

Actually power play is an important part of many histories something that isn't as relevant in shoujo or shounen.
Only the shittiest examplesdo the "draw a girl, called it an uke" type

You said "least realistic". I just said his looks are based off a real person.

Feminine guys exist, user, and they're still men. I wasn't saying he was manly. But also doesn't have to be.

>What what would be the women's equivalent of Jojo?
JoJo obviously. Just invest in doujinshi and you're good.

Part of the deal with shounen is that there's no commitment to romantic development whatsoever, and so no commitment to having a character that necessarily has to appeal as a romantic interest. Instead, you get these huge casts of simple characters who grow into complexity over time and through competition, challenge and all those other fun things. Since a lot of these tend to be coming of age stories, you get a lot of incidental masculinity, where a character grows into something that seems manly as fuck, in part because the reader/viewer sees the gradual change which turns them into that, and knows the different person they were at the start. Plus, with a cast that often goes above 10 characters and countless months of popularity polls, they have a lot of time to gather feedback, see what works, and adjust accordingly to make sure something appeals to everyone following the series.

Romance has to commit pretty much from the getgo, limit itself to a smaller, more focused cast and deliver explicitly romantic appeal as often as possible. That does severely limit what kind of characters you can use, and what sort of challenges/growth you can depict. If the romantic interest isn't what the readers want right out of the starting gate then nobody will follow your series, so you're trapped appealing to pre-existing masturbation fantasies and preconceived gender/romance archetypes. Lots of shounen end up strong because rather than pander to fantasies, they can inspire them by drawing the reader into a creatively motivating world and varied cast. Romance simply doesn't have the freedom to do that

Completely agree, Victor and Yuuri are fujo fantasy through and through. If they actually acted like men would act, they wouldn't have anything to fangirl over because men aren't like that unless they are a flaming archetype that real life men are uncomfortable with. You'd be surprised how many men don't actually have a problem with gay people, just the ones who act like fruity women and are overly sexual. No one likes an attentionwhore.

The argument is that he's not masculine in the least so as long as you agree I have no reason to debate with you.

Probably something like Flip Flappers
You'd be looking mainly for female coming-of-age stories and friendship-focused adventures that aren't explicitly FIGHTAN MAGICAL GIRL SENTAI.

Actually, I say that but for some reason Symphogear is really fucking popular with female audiences too.

>You'd be surprised how many men don't actually have a problem with gay people, just the ones who act like fruity women
More like you just do have a problem with gay men

Victor is based off an actual gay male and the series is partly a tribute to a real gay skater

>There's not a single late night anime aimed at women that isn't focused on pretty boys.
Psst.
Madoka, Love Live and K-ON were all very popular with female anime fans.

I love borderline rapists, I love ice cold assholes, I love reformed (and not so reformed) manwhores, I love troubled delinquents, I love shoujo.

I'd like yaoi more if they scrapped all the "ukes" or whoever and replaced them with women.

Shounen romance falls into the same hole, though. The stereotypes are more focused on the girls though ,since that's what they're reading for, but the male lead will always be one of a couple types of boy.

Being aimed at women and being popular with women is not the same though.
Precure is still aimed at little girls even if it's popular with adult men

Unless you are a gay male yourself, I'm not sure how "being based off a real gay skater" is supposed to help his sex appeal.

They might've been popular with female anime fans but they weren't aimed at women. Where are you getting your viewership stats btw?

There are plenty of gay men who actually act like men, Victor isn't one of them. The fact that you even think that feminine equals gay makes your more discriminatory than anything I've posted. There are plenty of trans men that aren't gay as well. Educate yourself and talk to a real man sometime.

Fujoshi aren't usually interested in self inserting into the shows they watch.

I love those types of boys too, but trashy shoujo just doesn't do it well. And replacing them with women doesn't make it better. Shoujo leads need to step their game too, same as ukes.

Sid note, every time I see your pic related I always think it's Sougo without fail. It fucking bothers me.

I hope you're not "muh matured former fujo" because it sounds like you have really unhealthy views on relationships desu.

oh yeah masc4masc retards

>The fact that you even think that feminine equals gay makes your more discriminatory than anything I've posted.
>this whole post

I didn't. But the gay men in particular being referenced by him are feminine.
And what is actually "act like men"? Again, feminine men are still men.

>replacing ukes with women

>Where are you getting your viewership stats btw?
Field research.

Then that brings you back to square one: why do they make the males in yaoi so effeminate, if not for the sake of self-insertion?

because cute 2d boys are cute it's not rocket science

This is why you develop a fujo taste, to get more out of whatever's running on TV. I wouldn't be even watching anime anymore if I hadn't developed a pair of fujo goggles that see every male-male interaction as potential gay.

Not that user, but I'm the same. The dominance comes off as very masculine and appeals to my femininity. I don't have a problem with gay couples, but the idea of actual masculine men fucking and dominating each other only showing their vulnerability in the heat of the moment is way more appealing to me than two cringe-tier flamers acting like teenage girls. It doesn't connect on any level because it's not realistic and just not attractive to anyone who actually gives a shit about masculinity.

>if men aren't manly they aren't men!

Yeah you have a problem

Go away tumblr.

not all yaoi is one girly dude and a masculine one