Comunisim

I have a teacher in my college English class that wants to pretty much brainwash students into being communists. Could anyone give me some good arguments against Communism and Karl Marx in general ,with actual proof. I am tired of getting blue pilled and want to red-pill some normies in my class

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Communism does not lead to a utopian society and it's basically a system which gives the government the power to steal property and control the market.

shoot up the school

Communism = starvation.
Communism concentrates more power into fewer hands.
Communism has already been debunked.
Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff.
Universities are not needed with communism. Professors of communism are always killed once communism takes over.

Communism is unique, in two ways.

1. It has singularly killed more human beings than any other system in recorded history-

2. No innovations, inventions, because there is no freedom. It's a dictatorship disguised as a Utopian paradise.

Looks great on paper though

I need actual factual evidence so I am not completely fucked. Teacher is commie fag

Fun fact, if you replace bourgeois with Jews in the communist manifesto, it makes a lot of sense.

There are no communist societies (Marxian definition) that have existed or survived. Explain to faggot how Chinese communism is betrothed to the shite labor rate they afford the world market to remain relevant to their marketing of said communism. Perhaps mention Russia while at it, and the crushing success of Cuba and Venezuela.

Get the teacher to grade the class on a bell curve and see how popular communism is

you know what you have you do user...

throw up some thatcher quotes

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Literally just pull up the Wikipedia on any communist state ever. Communism is so bad even wikis brainwashing can’t make it look good

does anyone have any evidence against karl Marx himself

Film your teacher spouting cultural Marxism then send the video to bearing or something

Marx was an alcoholic lazy piece of shit who was kept afloat by his "friend".

that is a good idea maybe I will

Bloody revolutions by Crass

he was a literal NEET that lived off of his friend's money

thanks will look into

my fucking nigga, I haven't heard that song in years

yes yes like most of the social justice fags today Marx never ever held a proper job

Listen. If there is one thing of which you may rest assured in college, it is that you WILL be taught communism. Sometimes it'll be somewhat subtle, like an English class in which you are forced to read the Communist Manifesto (wtf does that have to do with *english*?) Sometimes it'll be more overt, like when a philosophy or economics class teaches the communist manifesto. You will probably be assigned to read it in its entirety a half dozen times at least by the time you are finished with 4 years of college.

Consequently, you will either become indoctrinated to believe it (most people) or you will become *very* good at pulling it apart.

My favorite arguments involve pointing out that the Manifesto itself was written for useful idiots, and if they get their understanding of communism from it that's what they are. Or pointing out that Marx himself didn't have the first damn idea about the economy, seeing how he never had a job in his life. Also he was a horrible human being. Another favorite is to ask a communist where communism has ever worked out the way they expect it to. If they say it has never been tried for real (common argument) give them a litany of places where it has been tried, from asia to latin america.

If you want more help, Jordan Peterson makes a profound and subtle argument about communism being inherently selfish and tyrannical, and anyone supporting it is actually telling you that they think they can be the best tyrant.

smash the reds! Also read the Gulag archipelago

Its really simple, the entire premise of communism is based on a flawed foundational philosophy. It believes in the "labor theory of value", which is the perspective that the amount of labor (x) is and should determine the value of the product it procures (y), which is insane, because I could spend 20 hours a day for 10 years (x1) making a statue out of shit and solidified snot and it would be insane for me to implicitly state that statue of secretions is of higher value than a smart phone pooped out of a factory in a days worth of labor (y1>y2). A simpler example would be that if I presented to you two pairs of pants that are exactly identical (thought experiment so suspend disbelief) down to the molecular level, and one of them was pooped out of a machine in 10 seconds without any additional human labor (assumed value in marxist economics of y1=0) and the other was hand crafted by an elderly woman over the course of 50 years, requiring the loss of both of her hands and feet due to injury (assumed cost y2=1,000,000 or some other equally absurd number), and assuming you as the customer unaware of this fact, you should implicitly understand and be willing to pay the 1,000,000 for the high labor product *even if you were given the opportunity to obtain the molecularly identical pants for a dollar more than 0* because of the inequality in value/price.

But thats fucking absurd, and not how the world works, so naturally you as a reasonable person, would never buy the y2 pants and would always buy the y1 pants.

Communism is a shit. QED

This is why Communism doesn't work. It's actually more like you can't ever get to Communism, and why Totalitarianism takes over.

Communism calls for the seizing of the means of production. Now, think about what that means. People own the means of production. People own businesses, machines, buildings, all of that shit.

Now ask yourself, how does one ((seize)) those means? Do you ask nicely?

>Mr. business man, would you please give up all of your assets to the public?

Nobody is going to just give up their shit. People will fight for their shit, play dirty to keep their shit, and even fight to the fucking death to keep their shit.

So what does a Communist do, if they don't want things to get violent? Well, fucking nothing. You can start a big movement, and you're not going to get anywhere. You can have the smartest motherfuckers on board, and they're not going to get anywhere. Why? Because people will fight, using any means necessary, to keep their fucking shit. Stupid fucking English professors think they're going to use their intellect to take the means of production? I think not.

>Enter psychotic motherfuckers

When the weakness of the 'intellectual' Communists fail, the violent motherfuckers realize that the only way to ((seize)) is to ((start murdering)). When the 'intellectuals' resist that idea, the Totalitarians kill those bitches. From that point, you don't have very many options: You either join them so you don't die, or try to fight them and cross your fingers that you don't die. From then on, they ((must)) keep killing people, or else their entire structure becomes debased.

It never even gets to so-called 'Communism'. That's why it doesn't work.

>dumb college kids trying to debate against professional orators by asking Sup Forums for a list of talking points
Just keep your mouth shut you retard. The right choice is to not be there in the first place, you already blew that dont make things worse by making yourself a target to boot.

thanks will also look up

kinda hard when I need to take the class on campus and every English teacher is that way

Start with the SPELLCHECK pill if you're looking for education.

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The market determines value, if the state determines price you are a slave

Honestly the best way is to point out actual communist countries in history. Simply lay out the evidence. Their dismal economic growth, non-existent innovation, and most of all, starvation.

I love to go straight to comparing the healthcare sector, because free healthcare is a cherished talking point of all left wing supporters.

Here's some sources you should read on to get some hard facts about the most famous Communist country.

Economy:
nintil.com/2016/03/26/the-soviet-union-gdp-growth/

Healthcare Sector:
nintil.com/2016/03/29/the-soviet-union-healthcare/

And here's just a fun article about the modern successes of Capitalism:
dailywire.com/news/14525/5-statistics-showing-how-capitalism-solves-poverty-aaron-bandler?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=031817-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

I don't understand how adults can be unironically pro communism. It's like they don't understand what the cold war was about or why the USSR failed.

>not real communism.
This is the trap you set. First, have her define communism. If she doesn’t include stateless and classless:
Not real communism.
Next ask her how she would manage redistribution of resources. Her answer will be a state with a legislative and an enforcer class
>not real communism
Next ask her how should prevent you from capitalist enterprise, her answer will be a state with a legislative and an enforcer class
>not real communism
Ask her how she will stop foreign armies from plundering her utopia, her answer will be a state with a legislative and an enforcer class
>not real communism
There are millions of questions you can ask that will result in her requiring both a state and classes.
Remind her that this is
>not real communism
Every time until she outright advocates for slavery. Resist the urge to point out this again requires a state and classes, and hit her hard for encouraging slavery.
You are welcome.

o I know! you should watch Murdoch Murdoch! good luck fighting commie scum young man

do your own homework, user. asking for sources was a dead giveaway that you have a paper due and haven't even begun to work on it

It is pretty idiotic, how people can unironiclly support Communism. Theoretically it's anarchy, and realistically it's totalitarianism.

Pseuds utterly debunk Mao using real philosophy:
youtube.com/watch?v=iZycAUnuPnU

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Read into communism first or you will make a fool out of yourself

Ask him to explain this. No communist I've ever run into has been able to successfully dismiss the death toll of communism. They will deflect, try to change the subject, deny the deaths (lol holocaust denial) or tell you that it's "not real communism."

Tell your teacher that it's unacceptable that he's promoting the system that has created the largest genocides in human history and that he is either evil or a complete idiot that should not be allowed to teach anyone.

You have to stand up to this shit. And if he gets butthurt go to the fucking dean and accuse your teacher of promoting genocidal extremist governments.

Well the search for earthly equality lead to approximately a hundred million deaths in one century. If that doesn’t put you off communism, fuck you and fuck your jewish professor too.

Please lurk more before posting. You obviously do not know how to respond to people here properly, and its triggering me.

It's useless. People grow out of communism. Don't show your true power level, you'll be socially ostracized. There are tons of good arguments against communism, but it's like religion, people don't want to hear them, because they have such inflated egos that they're absolutely convinced they've reached the moral ideal by adhering to communism. It's all very much self-centered. They'll tell you that the USSR didn't have "pure" communism, but if it wasn't possible in the 50s and 60s, it's not possible in today's world. It's not as simple to pretend that resources can be shared and completely kill economics either. Communism also kills the drive to power, why should a doctor work 70 hours a week if a janitor works 35 hours a week and makes the same amount of money? In the USSR, 10 people were assigned to tasks that only needed 1-2 persons. Communism ---> establishing equality. People don't want equality, that's why corruption went up in the USSR. It's not the fact it happened in the past, it's the fact it will always happen because we're prideful animals.

But don't show your power level. People will never accept you for who you are.

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>High school teacher tells me McCarthy was right
>I thought he was just fucking around
>He was totally right

A central thesis to Marxism is Class Conflict - basically the idea that people in different classes will necessarily conflict and lead to class warfare. Class, in this case, is economic classes. You can try to get them to think of a realistically feasible way to get rid of classes and watch the teacher just embarrass themselves to the class.

The anti-thesis, which is also the central premise to Fascism, is called Class Collaboration. That is that class warfare only happens by each side not doing their role properly in society. As such, fascists support a position called corporatism, which is having the classes work together by providing a means of organization and communication.

Funny thing, you can fuck with them and use the Scandinavian economic model against them as the model is built around class collaboration. It is not for equality. And if Scandinavia is good on income inequality then it seems corporatism works for socialists

Really easy. Point out the Soviet Union and Maoist China, the literal HUNDREDS of millions who died and the horrific suppression of dissidents and liberty.

You will inevitably hit the response 'not real communism/socialism'. At this point, bring up Trotsky and Stalin. Tell them that, even if they are perfect as a revolutionary leader and a true believer, there will be a Stalin that will murder them without a second thought in order to accrue power, because that is human nature.

it's never worked. even once.
all communist nations are now capitalist, the economics simply don't work.
every time it was tried, people were killed, imprisoned, exiled, ect. ect. ect.
just post the murder stats from every communist revolution and the loss of rights. che guevara murder stats fuck with their head canon pretty good.

>tldr it's a meme ideology for liberal statists and jews

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tell him it has been funded by bankers and that all their leaders were masons like the capitalists they so much hate

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you can add the mass artificial starvation of christian people among ukraine too

So you wanna teach em' communism? Don't let em' go to lunch then.

If you need help discrediting Karl “Labor Theory of Value” Marx, then ask how you get all the men with guns who confiscated the means of production to give them to the workers who don’t have guns.

Communism and socialism are different and all. For one, communism does not REQUIRE a state to exist. However, most commie-fags do not give a fuck and will use any means to "redistribute wealth." 'Cause under communist perspective there are no private property "protections" ie you cant kill a nig who be on your property... This gets to the point finally, which is that people want their shit (their property) and will fight to defend their shit... just try taking away your teachers stuff, he will react and say, "no! don't take my shit" and the, you should say, "Oh ya!! What you gonna do about it, fucker?" and then show him this list... because this list is what happens when socialists say "OH YA! YOU FUCK, WHAT YOU GONNA DO???" it's called Democide: fact-index.com/d/de/democide.html

ask him a few questions
>where has communism worked
>if he says it wasn't real communism then ask why communism is so disastrous when it isn't done perfectly
>if everyone makes the same amount of money then why work hard at all?
>if everyone owns something then who takes care of it? (soviet phrase: if everyone owns it, no one does)
>how can a government plan an entire economy without being bogged down by bureaucrats

Try bringing up the tragedy of the commons, or that the labor theory of value and tendency of profit to decline are mutually exclusive.

Checked ANNNNND checked... You know this - the democide argument - is the argument to make when KEK double approves.

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>Excuse me, teacher. How do we convince people with lots of money that they need to give it up?

everytime there is a reboot it involves killing off a whole bunch of ppl. and that initial death toll rises every time. next one you'll have to beat mao's score and aim for 100mil on your kill feed.

pure communism doesn't work... no matter how many times you re package that piece of shit, guess what its still a steaming piece of shiet... maybe ppl would buy it if its packaged in an iphone box.

but to be fair communism and capitalism is two sides of the same coin. they are two opposites of the polarity and imo somewhere in the middle is most ideal. there are pro/cons for boths sides and if you just look at most developed nation in the world today they are all hybrids and have varying degrees of both characteristics. balance is key