White-nationalism won't work

How can the white race live under a supposed "ethnostate" if the EU-experiment has shown that whites of different ethnicities cannot get along?

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So no white-nationalist on Sup Forums has an answer to this basic question? Really?

>EU-experiment has shown that whites of different ethnicities cannot get along?

You have no evidence of that.
We used to always fight. If that's what you are judging the EU on, it has been successfull.

Americans got along together fine before immigration reform. Fuck off kike.

>You have no evidence of that.
Greece vs. Germany, return to nationalism all over Europe, Brexit.
> We used to always fight. If that's what you are judging the EU on, it has been successfull.
So you're fine with the ethnostate having constant internal fighting?

ITALIANS
ARE
NOT
WHITE

English people in America: "Go back to Ireland, Irish!"
Irish people in America: "Go back to Italy, Italians!"
Italian people to Asula: "Go back to the Fire Nation!"

Goto hell you fucking kike
SAGE

> Americans got along together fine before immigration reform.
White American is an ethnicity within the white race. Not the race itself
> Fuck off kike.
No Jewish ancestry whatsoever.

t. non-country

Northern italians are fine. Southern italy is an incestuous cesspool of arabs.

>a white ethnostate
>but it’s run by jews

Well there’s your problem

NOT JEWISH

Riiiiiight.

Brits and French are.
Can they share one country without it becoming a total shit-show?

How many politicians in the EU are actually Jewish?
Also Jared Taylor considers them white to a degree apparently...

So that was it?

How can Sup Forums expect white-nationalism to be taken seriously if it's thought out this poorly?

This is why islam will prevail in the end. Muslims arent united through race or anything from this world, but through faith. As soon as the muslims break free from the chains of the satanic systems of the west they will unite and nobody will be able to stop them. God is with us, not with you.

Greece Vs Germany is nothing. They both have legitimate grievances with eachother, but it's not an armed conflict situation.
>return to nationalism
There's nothing wrong with that.
> Brexit
We are an island. We want to run our own country.
>fine with the ethnostate having constant internal fighting?
If the EU was run in the interests of an ethnostate there wouldn't much conflict and perhaps brexit might not have happened. We won't fight against eachother again. By any measure Europe is stable and successful. If they decided to make it an ethnostate it would be even more so

Also the EU is made up of lots of different ethnic groups which have evolved over hundreds of years. It's not just a case of us all being white. It could even be argued that it's because of the EU that we have all become so aware of our white and European identity, rather than just thinking of ourselves as an Englishman or Danish or whatever

>it won't work

Once the oil runs out Islamic nations will have no economic power.
Islam itself is not intellectually rich enough to maintain a advanced society.

I highly doubt Islam will be able to win much of anything.

Also too much infighting within Islam.

Actually we could, easily, we just both don't want to.

Also, even if I'm not a supporter of a supra-national ethnostate, you can't compare the farce that is the EU (which was, is and will always be nothing more than an economic union, and a pretty terrible one) with what could be an ethnostate.

Because 99% of white americans have no distinct ancestory. We're almost all monolingual, attend churches founded here, and genetically are a mix of german, anglo, and irish. Certainly there are enclaves of genuine european culture, but they are few and small

> There's nothing wrong with nationalism.
> Brexit
My point is that you can't have a separate country for your ethnicity and a country for the whole race. It's contradictory. Hence white-nationalism cannot work.

> If the EU was in in the interests of an ethnostate
How would it differ from how it acted until now?

> Also the EU is made up of lots of different ethnic groups
Yes and my point is they're too different to live under the same country, even though it's the same race. (EU is not even a single country and is already desintegrating)

of course, they can't even agree who is white and who isn't

Europeans cannot unite on an economical level. How could we then unite on a political level? Let alone cultural level?

That's another issue I have with this whole movement.

>How would it differ from how it acted until now?
It would not have imported tens of millions of niggers

Do you believe in puddles

I've never experienced that and I've lived in mostly white areas. We are more likely to see people breaking along religious lines but I still think everyone wants to get along.

So you're saying the EU would have no criticism if it wasn't for it's immigration policy?

Of course there would be criticism, but you wouldn't have members actively abandoning ship. It is far and away the worst thing they've ever done.

I believe that ambiguous ideas are weak ideas.

the EU isn't an ethnostate though, nor do Europeans want this version of an ethnostate you're implying, they like their own states.

Answer the question.

Greece wanted to abandon ship for economic reasons, and Brexit wasn't an immigration referendum.

So that's not true.

We've gotten along perfectly fine here in America, then we started letting the 3rd world in.

Yes it was.

White-American is an ethnicity within a race, not the whole race.

>My point is that you can't have a separate country for your ethnicity and a country for the whole race. It's contradictory. Hence white-nationalism cannot work.
Yeah, you actually can. A federation of ethnonationalist states. A place for everyone.

Like most spain

They are not Jewish. But the people behind them are

I remember the pro-brexit camp talk about sovereignty and disliking regulations from Brussels just as much as immigration.

The EU's problems are primarily that it's not a state. It's many states. There's little racial tension between Europeans.

No, it's not.
White-American is a mix of Euro ethnicities. When you come to America as a European you just become white. Whether you're slav, german, nord, latin, or any kind of Euro-ethnic person you are just white here.

Are you telling me the dissatisfaction in the EU has nothing to do with immigration? The very thing that is going to dismantle it? And that wasn't on the British voter's mind?

Sure. (I know where you're going with this, but continue)

I didn't say it was the only reason, just by far the most important

And that was the worst of it. Very tame, relatively unpopular movements, no mass slaughters and no widely disproportionate crime rates like between whites and blacks or whites and Indians.

No, I'm saying the opposite.

Ok fair enough I've never been to the US.
Point is it doesn't work if you have different cultures/languages

Miss clicked.

Can you define precisely what a puddle is, how much water it takes to form one or how much is too much, how deep it can be? Even if you can, do you think all or even most people will agree with your exact definition? Yet nobody would claim that this means puddles do not exist.

Or how about a clearer example. Consider the colors yellow and red. Each exists on a spectrum, and there are an infinite number of intermediates between the two, where yellow bleeds into orange and then red. But yellow and red still exist

catalonians arent white either tho

External threat increases in-group cohesion. White people have been told that they themselves are the threat, so they do the opposite of increasing in-group cohesion. Whites will bend over backward to not ethnocentrically organize. Once white people begin to realize they are under threat, they WILL ethnocentrically cohere. It is already happening day by day.

>always fight. If that's what you are jud

>can't figure out the problems

Therefore, we should just die out.

>Greece wanted to abandon ship for economic reasons, and Brexit wasn't an immigration referendum.
>So that's not true.

Yes it is faggot. Immigration is the subtext behind everything, except no one can say it outloud because, NAZI!
No one would care otherwise.

The United States (which is infinitely superior to the worthless EU super-state)

Has shown that whites of different ethnicities CAN get along, if we have a cohesive goal and culture.

It's over user, it's over.

>White-American is an ethnicity within a race, not the whole race.

No it's not you kike faggot. American is a nationality. Go back to kikeland

The problem is that Greece joining the Euro was basically a fraud, they (both greek leaders and EU leaders) doctored the books to make it look like their economy was strong enough to take the Euro and then their economy ends up tanking because of debts. We had a similar problem here but we were able to keep afloat, the Euro boosted our economies on the sort term but fucked us in the medium term when the debts start being impossible to pay off.

At least that's my plebian understanding of it, the foundations were not as strong as they could have been.

genius sperm donation can make everyone, regardless of race, super-intelligent super humans, then we can all get along just fine.

because the US-experiment is literal proof that they can, retard

What is white? Guess it was not such a dumb question after all right normies?

"Puddle" is not a scientific term. The border between a puddle and a pool or a lake depends on the terminology you decide to use.

Colors are within the visible part of the electromagnetic spectrum. The domain of the color within the spectrum depends on the electromagnetic spectrum, not on the definition of words.

Spectrum of color is objectively measurable. The whole puddle thing is too subjective to rely upon.

DO YOU BELIEVE IN PUDDLES

well maybe by not having a commie superstate taking away our natoinal souvereignity to flood our lands with shitskins?!?!

To "rely" upon? Certainly you have a good enough idea about what a puddle is to exclude the vast majority of things which are not puddles.

If...

This. My father was born into a Canada divided by ethnicity between those of the British Isles and those from France, where language and denomination where what determined if someone liked or hated you. Today he identifies as white despite that not having even been a concept in his youth

It’s not a coincidence that mutts are the ones that always retort to the “muh continuum fallacy “ or “muh Loki Wager”. I agree a serious definition on what is or isn’t white is necessary for the movement to advance.

Most Europeans don't call for an ethnostate because they already had that in their countries. As much as they try to deny it our countries were fairly homogeneous. Not just white, but shared languages, culture, history, traditions and people.

You originally talked about an ethnostate not white nationalism. We had our ethnostates and they were successful.

The idea of white nationalism and a super ethnostate comes about simply because we recognise Europeans also have a shared interest and shared culture. This way of thinking can keep enlarging to include any groups of people.

A European superstate will exist at some point. You could even argue it does now.

Europe is stable. People can move around as they wish and our economies are closely linked. The argument that Europeans make with regards to the EU is not that it should be a white nationalist state, but that if it is to exist it should work for Europeans interests. For example not bringing in millions of non Europeans.
The EU is not and never has been, or aspired to be an ethnostate.

You are wrong to conclude that we can't have our own countries within a larger state.

Even if the EU doesn't continue to exist in its current formation, European union and cooperation will continue. Brexit will will not have much change on this.

You can make different arguments about white nationalism, with regards to the USA for example. But to link it to the EU and try to draw some conclusion is absurd.

You don't want to advance the movement, you want to destroy it. You bring no answers, you seek to undermine.
But more importantly, no, it's not a fallacy. We can live separately from niggers and spics without a rigid definition

Nationalism worked perfectly
Then along came EU and the socialists and started to "bring/force everyone together"
and then they took in all of africa

how do we punish them, how do we prevent this from happening again!?

Yes, the border are vague but yes.
You're saying a scientific definition isn't necessary?

I can perfectly state that I could live with anyone of at least 85% of European and 0% of subsaharan rate and I imagine some may disagree on the percentage required. How is that destroying It mutt?

solution for america
>white ethnostate
solution for europe
>ethnostate
See what I did there? Germany for the germans, poland for the poles etc.
European mixed people go after the principle of self-recognition.
All others follow the super majorities or get BTFO.

Northern italians are as Italian as southern ones. You don't actually think they're ''real'' Italians? Both rape babies. I guess it's better to be a rape baby of white people but still.

OP, you're so full of shit, the reason the EU is a failure is because they have the worst leadership they could get and a vast mayority of the countries there are slaves of a debt and they're nodding to their cultural and racial genocide for the sake of not paying it, deep down inside they know they're fucked and they're taking all the decent countries to the grave with them. Do you think people and countries that are forced to accept that crap would be happy with that? The people calling the shots are too cucked and UK just got tired of their bullshit and left.

May the EU failing isn't because whites of different ethnicities cannot get along but because the EU leaders are so cucked the're killing their own countries because they're plagued with white guilt and think progressive ideas are the best way of getting rid of it.

sage because this thread is trash.
maybe they shouldn't. an ethnostate would actually be possible if the EU wasn't so full of shit to shutdown every type of political dissent by labeling it as hate speech. the reason UK wanted to leave the EU was because they can't even control their own country, more than half of UK's laws weren't even made by the UK goverment but forced upon it by the EU.

>My point is that you can't have a separate country for your ethnicity and a country for the whole race. It's contradictory. Hence white-nationalism cannot work.

what is this retarded argument? why can't there be more than one ethnostate with other set of values and culture? white people have diversity but the only value needed to live in harmony in a ethnostate is to have the interests of your own race as your top priority. self-segration by ethnicity to avoid conflict is a thing, you see it already on places with niggers and chinks. The differences in culture and values between white people isn't that great to being with so it would be more subtle.

It worked in America.
But yes, pan-white state in Europe is retarded idea.

That is one of the main criticisms of it. If Germany allows millions of people in for example lots of them end up coming to the uk because they can speak English.

The other main criticism is because of a perceived democratic deficit.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_deficit_in_the_European_Union

There are other criticisms such as concerns of loss of sovereignty, bureaucracy, cost, federalisation. But these are criticisms any government has.

Immigration is a major concern and criticism people have.

based Kraut

Just have onz country becoming one, then accepting migrants from white countries only, with the obligation to adopt the langage and customs. Expel all non whites and jews, control of internet to block globalist propaganda and porn sites. Fortify economy and boarders. Establish fair and strong trades deals with developping countries. Once strong enough, start supporting white activists in other countries under the condition of future fusion. Rinse and repeat. And have nukes, in case the globalists want to try ww3. This is a very simplified description, but the big lines are drawn. The hardest part is taking over the first one.

>An ethnostate needs to the entire continent of Europe?
Just give me Britain, bitch.

Correct
If you think that it's okay if people disagree with your definition, than you admit that the specific definition doesn't particularly matter. I have no issue with the concept in and of itself, but the idea that everyone must be in perfect alignment about what is or isn't white before we can start taking steps to move in that direction.

How will an ethnostate based entirely on ethnic Icelanders fail according to your argument? What the fuck are you even referring to?

I'd love to keep talking but I have to get back to real life.

Cheers

Immigration was my main concern when I voted for brexit.
We were all told by everyone that it would make us poorer and we still voted to leave

white is only an ethnicity in the new world, mook.

you're right tho. slavs, meds, nords, anglos and teutons show distinct social and political attitudes.

this is why we've been expanding out from ethnonationalism into Voluntary Separatism. that, and it allows us to ally with any number of other groups without actually compromising. an advocate of pure R1a, for example, can ally with the hoteps and large portions of the alt-lite as they're only agreeing on separation.

it also offers a much stronger rhetorical position since a diverse 'we' can ask why we're being held prisoner by the multicult, when we've made it clear that we don't share their beliefs and values. muh human rights etc.

i think this kind of approach could lead to the repeal of the fair housing act in the U.S., along with perhaps some other overreaching anti-discrimination measures. from there, we can build communities any way we like. haplotype, language, religion, sports teams, whatever.

The EU has failed specifically because of mudblood migration.

>If you think that it's okay if people disagree with your definition, than you admit that the specific definition doesn't particularly matter

What?! What kind of mental gymnastics is this? Just because some may disagree in the percentage doesn’t mean the method is not relevant you dunce!!

>Ethnically diverse whites chimp out and kill each other
>Radical diverse races can live together and live harmoniously
Pick one pig fucker

European countries fought each other a great deal, but over land and resources, not minor differences between different white features. There will always be conflict, but at least we maintain some semblance of order. Unlike niggers who live in filth, disease and starvation without a white master to keep them paid and fed.

>solution for america
>white ethnostate
>solution for europe
>ethnostate

That's much better

>meme flag
Opinion disregarded.

I didn't say it's not relavent, I said it's not critical or important. The vast majority of people who are not white are obviously not white and do not self identify as white

>How can the white race live under a supposed "ethnostate" if the EU-experiment has shown that whites of different ethnicities cannot get along?
You realize that the existence of America alone is disprove of that right?

Whites CAN come together and form a coherent state, that is EXACTLY what has happened.

The problem with the EU is that the PEOPLE DO NOT WANT IT.

The ethno state is NOT about forcing whites into some sort of political union, out of already existing countries.

White is an American ethnicity.
Mixed euros from ethnicities you claim are incompatible.
All euro ethnicities are able to claim white even if they are pure slav French Italian whatever.
The people excluded are the ones who can claim a non euro ethnicity aka kike supremacists.

The only people to countersignal this are the enemy.

We propose all whites put our differences aside and fight our common enemy

return to nationalism =/= not getting along
People of different nations can agree to each be sovereign and not a slave state to the common parasitic entity that is the EU.

That's why Germania will dominate the Earth.

THIS