Was war with the allies inevitable regardless of if Hitler invaded Poland?

Was war with the allies inevitable regardless of if Hitler invaded Poland?

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>Hitler declares war on USA in 1941 to honor his alliance with Japan
>Japan never ever declares war on the Soviet Union to honor their alliance with Germany

Why are Japs such horrible friends?

No, if Hitler didn't act on pan-germanism most countries would find war very unpopular

Ideal scenario:
>Hitler elected
>Very clearly and humanely repatriates Jews and poles
>German nationalism high for a century
>Soviet influence never hits europe

my people loved being occupied and murdered, stupid mutt

War with Soviet Union was unavoidable, and accelerated by Hitler's tendency to 'solve' problems with swift and escalating violence.

It has always been our policy, intended by politicians or the populace, to prevent a unified Europe. It’s simply a matter of national security. It explains WW1, WW2 and Brexit, and so does the German will dominate the continent. We are the Ying. They are the Yang.

That's an odd thing to enjoy but whatever floats your boat.

The war was about to fizzle out by the end of 1941. Operation barbarossa was a barbaric backstab of never before seen dimensions. It wasn't worthy of the master race.

>Kill millions of Europeans
>Destroy your own empire
>Get colonized by third worlders

There is nothing more retarded than an Anglo trying to think beyond the length of his nose

Thief.

If Stalin had invaded Poland first, Britain would be obligated to act (just as they were when Hitler invaded). Poland would not have capitulated as quickly, since the Red Army was not nearly as capable as the Wehrmacht. Hitler could then "offer assistance" which the Poles would accept as their situation turned bleaker. Hitler would get his dream of Germans and Anglos fighting side by side. I have no doubt that the Soviet tide could have been held back and defeated, even by the Germans alone on a single front. Probably Poland would be willing to make territorial concessions after that.

Unfortunately, Hitler was greedy - he chose the high stakes gamble and lost.

the samurai fears the slavs.

It was a preemptive strike. Stalin was preparing a westward invasion. He had already invaded Poland a couple of weeks after Hitler.
Attacking first gave Hitler a huge advantage and was tactically the right decision, if only because it kept Germany protected from Soviet air power by keeping the homeland out of range from the front.
Suggest you read pic related. It documents things pretty well.

Why do the Krauts hate Polands so much? They literally saved Europe from muslim invasion. This is how they thank them?

>Send most of bydło to UK
>Only 1000 of them imprisoned
You bongs are fucking useless, can't even put some retarded polish criminals into jail.

>Nearly one thousand poles in British Jails
>Out of the polish population in Britain being around 911000 according to the British Office for National Statistics
>1000 divided by 911000 equals 0.1097%
>Meanwhile the capital city of Britain is majority non-white

Bongs on suicide watch

Unlike Britain Germany didnt have many directions to expand toward. France did the same shit when Napoleon was around.

We should just give Germany most of Turkey and let them genocide that instead

>Was war with allies inevitable
Yes.
veteranstodayarchives.com/2008/06/16/rainbow-5-roosevelts-secret-pre-pearl-harbor-war-plan-exposed/
wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/stalwarplans.html

Also most of the pakis get british citizenship after a while, poles dont.

I fucking hate the faggot anglos who complain about white europeans while their daughters get raped by muslims

Because since the age of the Roman Empire kraut forest niggers have embarked on a quest to destroy Europe. They view anybody who does not want that to happen as an enemy.

1) actually if only france didn't betray Poland and have attacked germans, we would have won. Germans lost more than half of their supply chain, they had huge problems with supplying eastern front, if France has attacked them, they would have lost. Some historians says that if Poland have survived 1 week longer, germans wouldn't be able to supply their army enough anymore (at least for some time). Ofc there were also soviets attacking so if france have delayed attacking germany, Poland would still have lost

2) 90% of Sup Forums retards don't know shit about history, they think that germans were mighty etc etc. not true. Most of their equipment and technology/patterns was stolen first from czechs (patterns/3000airplanes/tanks) than from french. they didn't even have to produce anything themselves with what they gained from this 2 countries. The losses in september campaign. germans didn't manage to rebuild what they lost in Poland during the wwii anymore. they were literaly transporting most of their supplies with horses to France...

3) Poland was not the reason of why the wwii happened. wwii happened for 3 reasons.
- germans weren't happy with the result of wwi
- anglos and french (mainly anglos) felt like germany dominated europe (economy etc) and brits couldnt compete with them any longer
- usa become new "world superpower""world police" and they made a 1st mistake in geopolitical terms. after they become the superpower they pulled off from europe completely leaving void. Void => it will be filled sooner or later by someone else and this time it was germans

and lastly Mackinder's heartlands theory => pretty much every geopolitical strategist was basing on heartland theory => since the collapse of Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth there was no balance in europe => for as long as Poland is not strong enough to keep this 2 guys separated, there will always be conflicts.

Poland started the war by attacking Czechoslovakua. From this point in world war escalation was inevitable.

>It was a preemptive strike
No it wasn't. Stop spewing bullshit. German plan was to invade, colonize and exterminate the Slavic race.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
>Stalin was preparing a westward invasion
No. Factually false. No such such invasion had ever been planned. USSR was not ready to fight a war Germany by 1941, hence they lost much land and had great casualties during the first couple of years of German invasion.
> He had already invaded Poland a couple of weeks after Hitler.
USSR did not invade Poland. That's Cold-War US revisionism. No country at the time declared war on the USSR (except Germany) and no country recognised USSR's "invasion" of Poland, not even Poland itself (i.e., its exiled government) and including the League of Nations.
By the time USSR crossed "Poland's" border, a state called "Poland" no longer existed because the polish government fled the country, and when you have no government you have no state.

>elected on heim ins reich
>hahah sorry guise
It's like you want national socialism to dump the whole nationalism thing and turn into the weak and lying liberal democracy.

Exactly. Churchill rightfully called Poland, "the hyena of Europe".

I want it to ditch the "socialism"

its not about hating, its simple geopolitics. Geography always defined our lifes. germans will always try to dominate russia and russia will always try to dominate germany. they always act as friends but later on there can be only one.
Polish problem is its geography. Its between russia and germany. there is no way to walk around Poland. if we are strong, we turn into a rich regional superpower => see PLC => we were able to fight 100 years long war 5 vs 1
but if we are weak => than we always suffer a lot

>I fucking hate the faggot anglos who complain about white europeans while their daughters get raped by muslims

Those are usually or bluepilled yet, or they have an agenda.(())

Oh you mean retaking the territories that sneaky czechs have stolen when Poland was busy fighting off your jewish communist invasion?
The same lands both Poland and Czechoslovakia agreed to divide based on a plebiscite?

I fucking hate this Zaolzie meme. Czechs were the prime rats in that situation. Blocked weapon shipment, interned french and british generals, forbid Hungarians from sending over 30k cavalrymen to help out.
>fuck off commies

seriously, you russians not only are braindead retards but also you guys are brainwashed in an north korean style.
i can't wait for you to balcanize or smth. it will happen very soon.
Tic Toc Tic Toc

Yes. Nationalist Germany was both a geopolitical and economical rival power against the anglo french alliance and the soviet dominions. Eventually there wouldve been a soviet/anglo alliance to invade germany from two fronts.

of course not. the us avoided intervention until france was under german control. and at this point in addition churchill had to convince the us to act.

Well, europe as a whole, the last thing they wanted was a war, so much so that even when poland was invaded and the war started, it was as if they weren't even fighting.

It's hard to say if in the future it would, in the end depend on germany and it's hatred of how they were treated in WW1 being fulled by something.

Maybe you should past the conditioned fear you have of the label and realise that the soclaism in national socialism is really just preussianism.

Can you imagine how pathetic your country must be that YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT flees the country during an invasion, betraying your own nation and leaving its people to be killed by the enemy.

>Generalplan Ost
Read these:
revblog.codoh.com/2011/02/the-latest-effort-to-combat-denial-i-e-holocaust-revisionism/
holocausthandbooks.com/dl/19-s.pdf (pgs. 236-243)
holocausthandbooks.com/dl/28-tecoar.pdf (pgs. 168-192)
>Barbarossa wasn’t preemptive
wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/stalwarplans.html
It doesn’t matter if Stalin was ready or not, he still had plans to invade occupied German territory.

As for the rest of it, I would still call the Soviet Union’s occupation of Poland an invasion, although I won’t deny that they were acting in their national interests by doing so. Having Nazi Germany right up against their border wouldn’t have been desirable.

>Eventually there wouldve been a soviet/anglo alliance to invade germany from two fronts.

And eventually the aliens would have landed on Earth and gave everyone happiness. /s

>Poles actually think this

>USSR was not ready to fight a war Germany by 1941, hence they lost much land and had great casualties during the first couple of years of German invasion.

only accurate part of your post.

your country is so pathetic that it lost war 1 vs 1 with Poland 19 years earlier. Do i have to mention that Poland was partitioned and had its independence for like 10 years before russians attacked?
Ur country would remain a shithole if only not anglos send aid so you would help them fight against hitler.
Few decades later your country is an pathetic shithole again.

And then America had to help them
perspectivesofthepast.com/europe-in-the-era-of-the-world-wars/the-significance-of-the-allied-lend-lease-program-and-soviet-victory-during-the-second-world-war/

They literally defeated the slavs 40 years prior.

Can you explain your picture in English please?

>Read these:
A bunch blogs. What are these suppose to show?

>wintersonnenwende.com/
Is this a neo-Nazi site?

> he still had plans to invade occupied German territory.

Nope. No such plan had existed. That's again, Cold-War US historical revisionism.

> I would still call the Soviet Union’s occupation of Poland an invasion

Luckily it doesn't matter what you think. It's a historical fact that nobody recognised, legally and otherwise, USSR's "invasion" of Poland. Cold-War US historical revisionism.

Did you forget the killing of germans in east prussia you swine.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

>If Stalin had invaded Poland first, Britain would be obligated to act (just as they were when Hitler invaded).
No it wasn't Polish-British treaties had secret clause that they were only oriented against attack by Germany

>Communist
>Stop embarrassing yourself
Oh the ir- Titaniumony

> Hitler could then "offer assistance" which the Poles would accept as their situation turned bleaker.
Soviet Army was a wreck in 1939 with no command, Polish defenses in the East were prepered since decades and located in marshes and forests, Soviets would likely end up like in Finland.

i don't speak russian but it pretty much means that all the wealth russians ever got comes from stealing during wars.

>It's a historical fact that nobody recognised
hahah
What is pact ribbentrop-molotow?
you cunts have to force legit russians to spread this lie because everyone with a single brain cell knows how retarded your statement is
khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1467327913
the first thing russians did during their occupation was taking hundreds of thousands of people and kill them in forests or to move them to siberia.

Trust me when i say this, my generation of Poles won't hesitate to payback russians for all this suffering, Moscow will be Polish city once again and people like you will have to learn how to eat grass to survive again

Also most Sup Forumsacks don't know that Germany was literally dependant on Soviets for supplies, oil and mineral resources.
Without it would never be able function beyond 1940

The first link about Generalplan Ost is a blog, but it provides its sources. Please judge a source by the quality of the work and its legitimacy rather than the medium through which it was provided. The last two are actually books. You clearly didn’t look at them.

>Neo-Nazi site
Yes, you could call it that. But I’ll repeat what I said earlier about judging a source. And in your own words: it doesn’t matter what you think.

>No such plan existed
Damn, nice rebuttal. Sure got me.

And if a country enters another country with military forces and faces resistance (because the natives don’t want them there), then what do you think that would be called, even if nobody calls out the occupying country at the time? How do you know they just didn’t want a confrontation with the Soviets on top of the Nazis?

Thanks lol. Saved it for when I encounter Russians here

>Trust me when i say this, my generation of Poles won't hesitate to payback russians for all this suffering, Moscow will be Polish city once again and people like you will have to learn how to eat grass to survive again

That's just stupid. Russophobia is fueled in Poland by Westerners who want both countries as their puppets.
You probably don't realize that before WW1 Russia was seen as best option for Poles by Poles, and almost everyone in Russia was planning to restore Polish statehood(of course confederated with Russia but still).
Also Russia was the first country to recognize independent Poland in WW1

True. I’ve heard they got a lot of lumber from the Soviet Union as well. Germany was pretty overcrowded and used a lot of resources

soviets were giving germans most of this resources for free because this pussies knew that they don't stand a chance if the war would have started right away.
Thats the way russians always acted:
always backstab, team up with few other countries against single opponent.
If russians know that they would be btfo within a days they will give everything for free or fraction of its real value just to not be embarassed again. What is going on with China getting shitload of russian resources for fraction of its real value? are russians that pathetic again?

Which do you hate more, Russians or Germans (let’s say the Germans are from the year 1939)?

Ohh, here we go with the "hurr durr land lease won WW2" bullshit. Land lease accounted for a very small amount of total supplies that the USSR used in WW2 and came in only AFTER all the major battles have already been won.
USSR didn't really need the stupid US land lease crap, it was only meant to be used as a nice gesture from the US, because they were "allies" at the end of the day.

If the US truly cared about helping the USSR during WW2, they would have invaded Germany in 1941 and opened the second front, but instead they went the Anglo-Jew way and waited until a clear winner had emerged and only then attacked, in a typical Anglo-Jew fashion.

There are more details here, it is actually quite extensive

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_Commercial_Agreement_(1940)

>Moscow will be Polish city once again and people like you will have to learn how to eat grass to survive again
when you take russia over, can we get some oil?

we got our independence only because we fought side to side with napoleon against russians.
russians decided to invade us few years later. they lost tho.
There can be no peace between our nations unless PLC is restored or Belarus regain independence and both sides knows this. Belarus is occupied country that hates russians and russians need to gtfo from there.

>Which do you hate more, Russians or Germans (let’s say the Germans are from the year 1939)?
As a Pole I can say that only an ignorant fool could not see that Germans were greater threat to Poland in 1939.
Germany since Prussia was influenced by the ideology of cleansing East and settling Germans, Russians were imperialists but they accepted existence of other nationalities in their Empire.
Most Poles don't know or don't like to remember this, but actually quite a lot of Poles served in Russian Army as generals since 19th century.
Poles in Germany were forbidden to have any higher roles in the Army.
The primary mission of German state in WW2 was total enslavement and extermination of Polish nation.
Soviets were willing to accept a puppet Polish state with its own institutions, teaching of Polish language and culture.

>The first link about Generalplan Ost is a blog
OK, I can dismiss it then, thanks.
> Yes, you could call it that.
OK, I can dismiss it then, thanks.
> Damn, nice rebuttal. Sure got me.
The onus is on you to provide proof, because you made the claim. My proof is that no such document exists, and I don't need to prove that, your claim is that it does, you provided no such proof.

You do realize PLC was biggest mistake Poland ever made right ? Union with Lithuanian pushed us to acquire worthless swamps and marshes in the East and endless wars with Russia, while Polish lands in Silesia and Pomerania were Germanized.

Also you should realize that Poland has no chance of winning with Russia in any conflict.

Again, more unsourced nonsense. Most figures cited are Soviet figures. The Soviets went to great lengths to cover up the significance of the Lend-Leade program, and in some cases, it provided around 50% of their industrial power. All of this is in the source I provided.

its not rly about hating, we are aware that this kind of things would happen sooner or later. (i mean war).
its hard to make a decision but i will tell you 1 thing that i heard from the old people. No matter how cruel germans are, how many people they killed. they were kind of civilized in what they were doing. or at least more civilized. Russians on the other hand are compared to fcking wild animals without souls. they simply don't belong to the european civilization.

we will not conquer whole russia, even if we wanted to, we know what would be the result => USA and others would start a war against us.
Thats the thing with the Sea powers / Anglos. They will always try to keep the balance in europe at all cost. (but the full balance has not yet been restored. Poland is still 2 weak in comparison to PLC)

>I am dismiss a source because I disagree with the medium through which the information is provided or I dislike the opinions of the people who wrote it
Commie logic, everyone.

>You provided no such proof
Except I already provided this link.
wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/stalwarplans.html
But what does it matter?
>dismissed

the disussion seems to drift away into the east european conditions. but the question 'Was war with the allies inevitable regardless of if Hitler invaded Poland?' has nothing to do with it. the US never wanted to defend poland when they started interventing. they wanted to defend great britain. and when they pushed the nazis back enough they wanted to create a border to udssr which has to be as eastern as possible... in the time after 1989 poland is getting into focus of the allies.

>Commie logic, everyone.
Burger logic, I tell ya.
> Except I already provided this link.
That's only good for wiping my ass with.

Can you reveal your flag? I just want to see what country you’re from. Then I’ll leave, I’m tired of wasting my time with a troll

Hitler didn't invade Poland.
Poles killed ethnic Germans in the Danzig massacre in Prussia( stolen German Lands).
Jews started WW2 be honest with yourselves.

We'd probably just sell shit to both sides Tbh

That’s a terrible argument. As a Holocaust revisionist myself, there’s hardly any evidence for those massacres, even less than some killings in the Holocaust. Maybe the evidence once existed, but the numbers are unsubstantiated. There are plenty of other arguments you could use to justify Hitler’s invasion of Poland. I would start off by reading Hitler’s Revolution by Richard Tedor.

> it provided around 50% of their industrial power.

No, it was actually 500000% of their industrial power.

>All of this is in the source I provided.

That's a blog. That's as bad as it gets when it comes to credible sources.

Just reveal your flag already

No. If Hitler had bided his time after annexing the Sudetenland, he could have grown the Nazi movement and conquered the whole of Europe without a single shot fired.

1) you are totaly wrong. im not gonna look for specific article but long story short. We were conflicted with pretty much everyone around us. Czechs were kind of teamed up with teutonic knights and hre. Alliance with Lithuania was unexpected by anyone and strenghtened us extremely. It was not without some sacrifice, lithuanians gave us a bit of their southern lands so that we would have the proper dominance in the relationship. (geopolitics).
Talking about geography alone, Poland always was and always will be heading east, not west. All the Polish rivers have bigger right tributaries. Vistula river connected with Dniepr river.
Everything out there is forcing PLC lands to stick together.
Our eastern border? its a fcking plain. there is no cover at all. Thats why our border with russia was by the Smolensk Gate (present day eastern belarus). If russians tried to attack us we would simply block the mountain pass, if we felt like tjhey were 2 strong, we would simply choke nearby moscow a bit.
The geography creates this 3 east-west lanes.
1 through belarus, 1 through ukraine, 1 in baltic states. all this 3 lanes connects in Poland.
This means that russia will always try to dominate us as well.

The thing with the Silesia and Pomerania... the question is did we rly had a chance alone against HRE while we pretty much all the time were at war with someone?
Its our diplomacy that sucked. Habsburgs even managed to trick Ottomans into fighting with Poland when neither Poland neither Turks were benefiting from this.

You lost, burger. Leave with dignity.

Fuck off burger.

reddit. just get out, you are mentally disabled, you do not understand what you are spewing out of your dirty, cum filled, whore mouth

You didn't see the /s tag?

You’ve been calling me a burger a lot lately. Are you hungry for a burger? Have you not eaten in a while? Not surprised, commie. I’ll see you later. I don’t know how I’m going to recover from this

Hitler invaded Poland cause the poles where persecuting german minorities on former german territory

Thats how i see it

Collapse of the PLC => germany and russia leeching Poland and turning into a superpowers => french feels dominated => napoleonic wars => germany dominates europe => WWI => WWII => USA turns russia from bowl of shit into a superpower so they would help against hitler => war ends, USSR happens => USSR starts to dominate europe&wwiii is about to happen soon => usa helps china, turns it from bowl of shit into a country participating in a global market, they had to help fight ussr in return => China becomes superpower, Germans still leeching Poland and others from eastern europe => Germans dominates europe again China is questioning PAX Americana.

Did Anglos realise that the only way to stop this proces is to rebuild strong Poland just like USA did with south korea or Japan? I think so. The only question is if its not 2 late.
*** China on the other hand is also intrested in strong Poland for exacly the same reasons

> There are no friends in geopolitics, there are just common intrests and luckily for Poland our intrest is in line with USA/China
youtube.com/watch?v=TQcBp4-c5sU
youtube.com/watch?v=RkiZ249MeCs

yes, Poles also killed many other Germans hours before the war started in many other places, here is an example:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident
> False Flag, do you know what is it?
Seriously sometimes i think all the smart russians died long time ago.
oh yeah, germans and russians always liberate. They protect oppressed minorities. They never start a war. Why would this peaceful loving nations invade someone? They were FORCED to invade tiny bordering nation

Russia has about the same gdp as Mexico, sad.

>killing of germans in east prussia
>in east prussia
Oh just stfu you retard.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)