Is richard spencer a bad guy or good guy?

Is richard spencer a bad guy or good guy?
Can his ideas be put into action?
Can the ethno state work?
Do you support him?

the ethnostate can only work if shitholers are forcibly repatriated to thier appropriate shitholes.

He's lame. Not rational. Idealistic like Marx.

He's a deep state operative, actually a lot of people on "our" side are.

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You need to add "traps are the spice of life" to that dialogue list.

He is Junior CIA.
He doesn't stand for white people.
He's a spineless coward that stands for nothing.

>Is richard spencer a bad guy or good guy?

he's a shill.

plain and simple, he's useless.

SHILLS HATE HIM

His enthostate is a pipe dream. He is promising his uneducated under-aged horde a utopian paradise.... but hasn't even gotten basic things straight about it. He's like a dreamer. A white supremacist dreamer.

Good or bad is relative to your own position. He is a smooth guy with smarts. I admit I'm warming to him.

Shill or not, he anally raped Sargon.

The Alt-Right's end goal of an ethnostate is complete autism

An ethnostate requires an ethnicity. English/German/French/Chinese/Japanese etc. are all ethnic groups. "White" is NOT an ethnic group. Therefore, Spencer realy doesn't argue for an ethnostate at all, but just a generic white mystery meat form of nationalism

Fucking trash

I dont know why people dont accept this. Enoch was outted as a jew and son of a CIA agent... his jewish wife is the daughter of a CIA agent. The whole scene is a trap to make the young right look like thugs and retards.

What is literally America up until 1965?

>daughter of a CIA agent
gonna need a source on that my dude

Well intentioned, but usually has poor execution. I prefer not to counter-signal him though I do like playful bants memes about him.

I think my ideological and existential enemies do more than enough to attack this guy, they don't need my help.

I think he has the right idea, CIA or not, about what the role of current right-wing thought is, that is, about creating an environment where the leaders will come in, rather than being leaders themselves.

isnt this a mike cernovich meme?

He's either a shill or is stupid. He taints everything and should honestly be ignored. He knows that his public outcries are bad optics for his own movement, but continues doing embarrassing stunts anyway.

He's a good guy, I don't understand all the shilling against him. He's got a few retarded ideas and he sounds fairly effete but his heart is in the right place.

Correct. Hes just delivering nostalgic redneck KKK while wearing the mask of modernity.

To use him as a counter to kike'd liberals isn't even credible anymore unfortunately.

Another person will come out of the woodwork like him in a few years. Thru always do. It's a free society after all.

and how did that work out? they had pretty much destroyed the extended family by that point and continued with destroying the nuclear family next, it was just a rootless, meaningless society that pretended to be something by patching that hole using large amounts of wealth

They're doing a really bad job of it then because nobody fucking knows who Mike Enoch is outside of ~500k people on the internet lol. This is such a laughably stupid take I can't believe you shills actually think it would work.

He's a Jew, and probably some large percent nigger.

>Is richard spencer a bad guy or good guy?
hard to say
>Can his ideas be put into action?
yes, but american society doesn't want it
>Can the ethno state work?
murrica was an ethnostate till 60s. It worked, lol
>Do you support him?
No, I don't. So what if ethnostate could work if there's no way murricans will agree to make it. Waste of time. He would do better lobbying for conservative values and changing immigration politics.

>ethnogenesis isn't a thing
Man I wish I had your IQ, I imagine the world looks so simple when you have the intelligence level and understanding of an actual child

richard spencer is a nigger. a good nigger, but a nigger nonetheless.

They****

This

If you think what Spencer is doing and what is happening in America is ethnogenesis, you are a new level of retard. If anything, the possibility of an organic nation taking root is being reduced every fucking day. 100 years ago it would have been possible, though unlikely. Today, there is NO chance.

Yeah, can't wait for him to go away and make way for the true counter kulture right-wing movement.

i like how some far-lefties think he's a shill for george bush because they think bush was a nazi.

Good guy who made bad choices.

He's doing a good job. White advocacy needs more than anons pasting pepes everywhere.
As long as the shills try to paint him as a shill you can be sure he's reliable.

He's a basic bitch.

>muh ethnostate

>bad optics
I'd agree, except the opposite seems to have happened. Every time the alt right gets in the news it attracts more and more interest. I can't find the graph anymore but traffic to therightstuff.biz has approximately tripled since the Charlottesville rally. The two big (and sustained i.e. they didn't just check it as a once off because it was in the news, they stayed) peaks were exactly correlated to after the Charlottesville rally and to the publishing of Newsweek's big hit piece on Mike Enoch. It really seems like any publicity is good publicity when it comes to thus

He betrayed anarcho-capitalism, Ron Paul and Hans Hermann Hoppe ideas and became some nazbol socialist autist.
He stands for traditionalism and antitraditional modernist 20th century sociopolitical concepts, mass political movement societies and elitist aristocratic(monarchical) societies, free speech and ban of certain ideas, libertarianism and huge goverment taxation, free assosiation and goverment restrictions at the same fucking moment. This guy is a living bipolar contradiction.

asdf

I feel bad for him. He's so autistic and everyone makes fun of him and he's so lacking in self awareness.
You know when you hate someone at first for being so stupid and then you realize they actually legitimate mental impairments? He's definitely special needs to say the least
When he gets punched in that cringey video, talking about Pepe like a dork, I feel like he is the severely low IQ autist that everyone laughed at in school, it's sad

Doenst matter. Enoch can be linked to spencer can be linked to bannon can be linked to trump...

He's just a rich yuppie kid! How could anyone think he was anything? Can't you TELL BY THE WAY HE TALKS? I'm serious. Its obvious he's not.... the one....

The ultimate determiner of a poster's shill status is thier answer on the Spencer Question (SQ).

Richard Spencer is, and forever will be, /ourguy/. No person has done more the White Nationalist movement that Spencer. Richard Spencer has, almost single-handedly, reshaped the image of White Nationalists away from racist, libertarian, obese, holy-rollers towards urban, fascist, handsome, intellectuals. These distinctions are important: The image Spencer projects is actually powerful, and appeals to the only demographic we need to recruit, young white men, far more than the alternative. We actually have something to offer young men now: participation in the future elite. Spencer's speeches have done more to awaken white consciousness than any other figure on the right. He brings together the intellectualism of Jared Taylor with the youthful energy of internet troll culture that has allowed the right to continue its relevance in spite of the odds.

The only people who dislike him are either shills - who feel threatened the awakening he inspires - or people who have adopted the niggerfication of masculinity (probably through their fetishization of football or black-inspired low culture like country music and redneck aesthetic) and dismiss anything refined and intellectual as effeminate.

Am I allowed in the ethno-state?

Apparently his favourite band also hates him. Depeche Mode
That must be humiliating
He's a massive dork and so cringe inducing

Ok Spencer. Time for bed.

The fact that the question "am i allowed in the ethnostate" needs to be asked means the entire idea of an "ethnostate" (which he actually doesn't argue for) is fucking full retard

that's why he's a meme, he stands for nothing and it's just there to prop up the "white" meme, which is good enough for some people, but it will lead to nothing beyond more dissolution and more meaninglessness when they realize they can't unite around nothing in real life as soon as they move beyond shitposting on the internet

ok

God people like you are such fucking faggots. America was a white ethnostate in that various white European ethnicities intermingled to the extent that "American white" is effectively its own ethnicity. Considering that overcoming "petty nationalism" (i.e. nationalism based on politics rather than culture and race) is what enabled America to establish a global hegimony before it was subverted by Zog, the lack of a single distinct European ethnicity did not harm the country in any way. In fact, it helped it.

Look this has been done. That my friend is Sargon's stepdaughters Grandmother.

It's a message to the stepfather. She is sleeping with Fishburne now.

How does being a huge dork appeal to young people? Even the alt-right mocks him. Basically no one likes him and he doesn't notice. He's so autistic

The reason why your movement is a joke is because it's filled with racists who are just too pussy to admit it so they come up with principles justifying why they shouldn't live with black people whereas Richard Spencer just straight up says that he does not want to live with black people.

Is Lawrence fishburn white though?

Obviously you're right, tripfag with the name of a midget canadian "professional" video game player.

Holy fucking shit, enought with these shitty slide threads
>hurrdurr is he a goodguy /ourguy/ ??? xDDDD
fucking neck yourself

I like Richard, but his spergy idea of a pan-European/European-descended super-state is never going to work and pisses off way too many people. He's decent other than that, though he's very much about abstractions and airy philosophical ponderings and other autistic shit. I like him, but I'd rather Enoch or Nehlen be seen as the leader of the AltRight than Spencer.

OK fine what is America up until 1920? Or the UK before when you think the rot began?

Go be autismo grand supreme elsewhere larpfag.

>it's not possible goy just give up

Blackpill is fucking worthless and so are you.

sorry but you americans have no concept of time, something that barely lasted 20 years before being "subverted" is not "overcoming" anything, it's basically a fluke by historical standards, it's was meaningless from day 1

He actually does things outside of his computer chair, so the pic relateds of Sup Forums HATE him.

& Mike Enoch uses the word "fuck" a lot. They're both cringe inducing. I think only outsiders would be attracted to the roles they now have. Maybe these hipsters who are finally the in-crowd or something?

Steven is from the US

Millennial Woes is dumb af

He's a smart guy, but way overblown by media. Most Sup Forumsacks don't really care about him. I suppose he has far more influence in other circles, since media does love him.

rolololo

Yeah I don't understand it either. If there one certainty in life it is that Spencer is a shill inhabiting a flat earth.

Come on wake up people.

totally agree

He is a guy that achieved nothing with the popularity he had, and is now losing it.

He's an idiot played by jews.

>baked alaska
No he probably likes Dick Spencer seeing as how Basked is part of the same altcuck clique, more or less. I know they have mutual friends and are probably friends themselves

You're right but for the wrong reasons. America was doomed from the start because it is founded on the Enlightement and therefore liberalism - which is a rejection of traditional European values. With early America's fascistic policies and hyperrestricted sufferage, it was able to overcome this for a time. But, a society based on legalism rather than heroism is ultimately doomed to fail.

The country would have been better off with George Washington declaring himself an absolute monarch.

>good or bad guy?
A bit of both. He's doing some great things but he is an atheist transhumanist who basically wants globalist communism for white people.

I'll give him credit that he's obviously spent a lot of time developing his ideas, but I think they are ultimately bad ideas and they are all rooted in his atheism.

>Can his ideas be put into action?
Any idea can be put into action

>can the ethno state work?
Probably, there would most likely be a lot of violence while establishing it.

Also, I really do not think a white ethnostate would bring in some "Eutopia" where we all sail into the stars and all this faggot shit.

I grew up in a 99% white town where the nearest non-white was literally 3 hours away. It was honestly fucking horrible. White people can be gigantic pieces of shit too.

>Do you support him?

I support his fight for white nationalism, I think he is doing an okay job in trying to get white people to see themselves as "white europeans". I don't support his atheist transhumanist bullshit though.

His disdain for Christianity is directly related to being a bratty little trustfunder, you can just see it on his face when he launches into his rants about Christianity. He says that "we are living in a post-religious world" but he's a fucking retard. Christianity will be brought back to mean something, it just takes the right people. I am already seeing a revival of hardline fundemental baptists.

Unfortunately Richard will be burning in hell for eternity after he's done here...I still commend him for his fight against the kikes.

>varg
kys

Are you the autist that used to shill for that jewish alt-right chick all day?

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Ethnostates have been the norm throughout the entirety of human history and are the norm now in the entirety of the nonwhite world. An ethnostate is not a pipe dream and none of us think it will be a utopia. The presence of nonwhites and the dominating role of Jews in our institutions prevents us from even beginning to properly assess let alone addressing them; the ethnostate will be no utopia, it will merely be the means by which we can begin to rebuild our shattered civilization.
Also, every ideology has an ideal it strives towards, we're mature enough to realize the ideal can never be fully achieved; perfection is impossible, one can only ever work to perfect one's self and one's society.
So you don't know what ethnogenesis is? Sounds like you're the trash.

This.

I can see why people say he's controlled opposition with the Heil Trump stuff and other things but I honestly think that can be put down to inexperience.

Doing what he does isn't easy and I'm not prepared to throw him under the bus without concrete proof.

Most of the allegations about his upbringing and the fact his family has connections to political elites is because of wealth and that he was young.

The most important point you raised was about a change in the type of people associating with WN/Alt-Right/Far-Right politics. This is easily the biggest step towards victory.

In the past 3 years I have seen more urban, university educated middle class students associate with WN than I could have ever imagined a decade ago.

This stuff really matters.

The Ethnostate is our only option at this point. America is corrupt to the core and is gonna fall. Richards done a good job getting our ideas out to the mainstream.

>Woes dumb
The LFQ was genius tho'

Roll

I doubt any white people don't support spencers ideals. You have to remember we share this board with alot of non-whites who are genuinely scared that they will be forced from their homes at the end of a gun barrel.
Important things are he speaks well on behalf of his ideals, he dresses well and he is educated well which makes him an ideal front man for the movement. Neckbeards and skinheads scare off the majority.

Breddy gud, I wish we could remove all the non-whites from Australia and move back to the white australia policy.

roll

He also likes dick in his ass, not realizing he would be gassed in an alt-right dictatorship

roll

Am I allowed in America?

Ethnogenesis already happened in the US in the 19th century, you progressive faggot.
>Today, there is NO chance.
Kill yourself and get out of the way.

>I can see why people say he's controlled opposition with the Heil Trump stuff and other things but I honestly think that can be put down to inexperience.

Never understood why this bothered Sup Forumsocks so much

Richard was just memeing a bit, and the media lost it.

I thought it was pretty funny

He should just be another youtube eceleb. His public appearances are always a disaster. Enoch should take care of that.

Regardless, "weird Talmudic reasoning" is hilarious and has become a regular part of my vocabulary.

>Is richard spencer a bad guy or good guy?
Incompetence isn't really on the moral sphere.
>Can his ideas be put into action?
No because he has no consistent ideas. Watered-down Duginism in the United States plus a racially neutral White identity doesn't really have a natural appeal.
>Can the ethno state work?
No. Most Americans believe in Enlightenment values. Liberals love to win and Conservatives love to lose. Trump has merely delayed the inevitable a few years. Unless there is a major philosophical revolution the country, and the West, will continue to implode.
>Do you support him?
Not really. I'm not opposed to him for the reasons most people are. I don't believe that he's a homo or a fed, I just think he's incompetent. He's worked as an editor for the past 10 years and everything he has edited has either fired him or collapsed under his mismanagement. Charlottesville was an unmitigated disaster and that reflects poorly on his judgement and leadership. I don't know if he is a bad person, but he is bad at his job. I might dislike him more if there were competent people in the movement, but let's be honest Richard Spencer rose to the top because there aren't.

Well if that was true you'd probably like him.

Just tried to post some sauce on dat ass but evidently Hiroshima had some copyright claims thrown at him.

Yeah I was laughing too but I think it isn't ideal.

Even if those on our side have no problem with it it's still associating with Nazism and imo Nazism will never become a respectable mainstream opinion.

Who is she? That's a nice ass.

its a silicone sex doll you fuckwit

That makes 2 of you then, I've hate Steve so much I didn't think it was possible to hate somebody this much even though I've never met him, if I did I'd choke the life out his pedo eyes

>Unless there is a major philosophical revolution the country, and the West, will continue to implode.

I think there is a bit of a turning away from enlightenment-era values.

You can see it happening a little bit here and there.

Just the thing where Trump allegedly called 3rd world countries "Shitholes" and then all of the media figures went wild with it, many right-wingers supporting it.

That act alone forced the overton window to the right, DEFINITELY away from egalitarianism. The rejection of extremely egalitarianism or enlightenment-era values won't just happen over night, it will happen a little bit here and there, piece by piece.

Trump has DEFINITELY pushed the overton window away from egalitarianism just with his little comments here and there.

>Spencer is incompetent

That is my biggest criticism of him, besides being an atheist transhumanist. The guy is a fucking flake, which is not uncommon for trustfund brats.

He's obviously never worked shitty jobs in kitchen or digging ditches which builds character and gives you more common sense. He's just been sitting in college courses and engaging in a lot of naval gazing.

He has still been okay for shifting the overton window right though. Lefties have weaponized Spencer by making him into a scary monster when in reality he is a bit of a spoiled doofus. This makes his ideas more sexy to neutral people.

>imo Nazism will never become a respectable mainstream opinion.
10 to 15 years, in your opinion, would transexuality ever become a respectable mainstream opinion and opposition to trans creeping onto children would be considered unacceptable bigotry by the mainstream?

> Charlottesville was an unmitigated disaster and that reflects poorly on his judgement and leadership.

I'm sick of this meme. Charlottesville was a collossal sucess for the alt-right and far right politics in general. Charlottesville:

> accelerated nationwide removal of monuments of both Confederate and traditional American heroes (Washington, Jefferson, etc.) revealing to normal white people that the activists spearheading this trend did, in fact, want to wage war on America's history - not just Southern pride
> triggered renewed attention on the #TakeAKnee protests, the ensuing controversey over which has woken up many white people to the mental poison of professional sports (i.e. watching black people who hate you play a kid's game for millions of dollars)
> gave the alt-right grounds for an actual civil rights lawsuit against the City of Charlottesville for organizing a riot against them - the only reason the suit hasn't been filed is lack of funds
> forced Trump to publicly say that some of us were "good people" giving his followers more mental permission to support our activism even when we're labeled as Nazis by the media
> woke people up to the need for organized IRL alt-right activist groups in order to stand up to organized, state-sponsored and media-encouraged, violence
> Cantwell's charges made people more aware of the dangers of memeing IRL (will be viewed in the worst possible light), encouraging message discipline
> the overcharging of /ourguys/ for defending themselves revealed that the legal system and police officers will not protect us (a common delusion among right wingers) and that street fighting is not a productive line of activism

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this

This is true

I thought Charolettesville was fucking badass.