Nobody from the 20th Century has shaped the modern world quite as much as Gavrilo Princip, and he didn’t even mean to...

Nobody from the 20th Century has shaped the modern world quite as much as Gavrilo Princip, and he didn’t even mean to. Without him assassinating archduke Franz Ferdinand

-no WWI as we know it ( the impetus for Austrian aggression against Serbia was his assassination)
-no WWII as we know it (treaty of Versailles, which is what almost killed Germany, wouldn’t have happened)
-no Israel as we know it ( no “””holocaust””” like what was used to justify Israel)
-no UN as we know it (astablished after and because of WWII)
-no Cold War as we know it (no WWII and possibly no Soviet Union)
-Soviet Union might have never formed and would not have collapsed as we know it (revolutionaries had been plotting for decades, but they were not truly much of a force until they brought in all sorts of anti war protesters, plus, Germany backed communism as an intellectual contagion in WWI to try to get Russia out of the war, without this, it is possible that another socialist group besides the Soviets came to power)
-no EU as we know it (both world wars mangled the dynamic of European alliances to the point where the diplomatic systems before them would be unrecognizable, unlikely that this union would be too similar to the one we have today)
-no Cuban missile crisis (no Cold War)
-spread of communism would have been totally different, possible we wouldn’t be looking at the two China situation we have today and none of Mao’s rise to power
-US wouldn’t have nuked japan because no WWII
-presidents and other leaders would be completely different people because they were elected to deal with problems that princip created on accident

Millions died all over the world that would have died totally differently because of the actions of this one man. Perhaps one of the millions killed under Mao would’ve been indirectly more impactful that Princip. Why is it that most people know nothing about him when he is essentially responsible for the modern world?

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>Nobody from the 20th Century has shaped the modern world quite as much as Gavrilo Princip, and he didn’t even mean to. Without him assassinating archduke Franz Ferdinand
>-no WWI as we know it ( the impetus for Austrian aggression against Serbia was his assassination)
>-no WWII as we know it (treaty of Versailles, which is what almost killed Germany, wouldn’t have happened)
>-no Israel as we know it ( no “””holocaust””” like what was used to justify Israel)
>-no UN as we know it (astablished after and because of WWII)
>-no Cold War as we know it (no WWII and possibly no Soviet Union)
>-Soviet Union might have never formed and would not have collapsed as we know it (revolutionaries had been plotting for decades, but they were not truly much of a force until they brought in all sorts of anti war protesters, plus, Germany backed communism as an intellectual contagion in WWI to try to get Russia out of the war, without this, it is possible that another socialist group besides the Soviets came to power)
>-no EU as we know it (both world wars mangled the dynamic of European alliances to the point where the diplomatic systems before them would be unrecognizable, unlikely that this union would be too similar to the one we have today)
>-no Cuban missile crisis (no Cold War)
>-spread of communism would have been totally different, possible we wouldn’t be looking at the two China situation we have today and none of Mao’s rise to power
>-US wouldn’t have nuked japan because no WWII
>-presidents and other leaders would be completely different people because they were elected to deal with problems that princip created on accident
>Millions died all over the world that would have died totally differently because of the actions of this one man. Perhaps one of the millions killed under Mao would’ve been indirectly more impactful that Princip. Why is it that most people know nothing about him when he is essentially responsible for the modern world?

You're retarded

It's like saying "I just farted and that caused a chain of events which killed your grandmother"

It's silly shit, bro. He's not """responsible""" for any of that. You just have a childlike understand of how the universe works

With Princip or not Serbia would get attacked anyways and Russia would respond, millions would die still. You cant look history trough the black and white glasses only.

This. Princip was just a convenient excuse for the inevitable invasion. Hell, even if he was unsuccessful, the assassination would have likely been carried out by someone else anyway. An attempt had already been made on Ferdinand's life that same day.

You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about, at all. To be responsible for something is “being the agent or cause.” Jesus Christ if you’re going to call me a retarded child can you at least know what words mean, imbecile.

>no Israel as we know it ( no “””holocaust””” like what was used to justify Israel)
They'd seek the same thing elsewhere and move things that way to fulfill their goals and prophesies.

This is why I said “as we know it,” for even if the circumstances surrounding WWI were slightly different, we’d be looking at a huge change.

No it isn't faggle

That is correct, but my point was that they would use another excuse to form a Jewish state separate from the holocaust, and therefore the Jewish state they create and the propaganda they use for it would be different.

Sorry, I guess you’re totally right.

>no “””holocaust””” like what was used to justify Israel
Bruh, Israel was justified through the correct use of force like most nations deserving of the name

It'd be more like saying "I just shot your grandmother who is the leader of a country and the events that ensue because of that singular event cause 2 world wars and constant instability in the middle east."

Churchill agreed to give Israel to kikes before the Holocaust propaganda even began.

Hence “as we know it”

It'd be like saying "I farted which caused the wind to hit the face of the guy in such a way so as to make him feel X and then he went on to shoot the leader of a country because of this...."

It's boring nigger, you don't understand what you're talking about

Sure Israel beat the fuck out of their Arab neighbors (and probably deservedly so) but that doesn’t make what they do okay.

Nobody believes the propaganda anyway. Their justification for occupying Israel is meaningless in the larger picture.

Gavrilo Princip was the man who shot archduke Franz Ferdinand you fucking dunce.

It’s be more like
“I shot the guy in the face that was the heir to the Austrian throne and the Serbs celebrated this so the Austrians starting shelling Belgrade within weeks...”
It goes on, though I don’t really expect you to follow along.

Germans were building a rail line to iraq to bring back oil. Oil was needed for the refurbished battleships that were being switched over from coal. British didn't like this and kicked off the First World War.
>battle of Jutland
>which was the first country to be invaded by the British in ww1?
It's not a difficult subject. It's the same rationale that's been used for the last 100 years. It's why the west has not invaded North Korea, Pakistan or India.
>in b4 Afghanistan. Heroin

So why don't you give back all the territories you conquered from Native Americans?

>Irgun
There is no correct us of force, there is only force.

Nah, you're the dunce, read the thread dumb cunt

>Gavrilo Princip
He was the spark that set Europa on fire. The Schlieffen plan that looked so good on paper but was not stoppable once set in motion.

I think Europa learned a lot from the wwi and that's why we are so humble.

Britain sided the allies because Germany violated Belgian neutrality, which Britain swore to uphold. Even if this isn’t the case and it’s just their excuse to keep face, it helped allied propaganda and rook most postwar blame off of them.

doubtfully, austria would just find some other reason, and same countries which sided with serbia still would. if that reason was weaker it could only potentially lead to more countries joining the entente and cp being defeated and hummiliated even more.
also,

What you're missing is that the sentiment was already there. Both sides were just looking for an excuse to start the war. WW1 was inevitable well before Ferdinand died.

That I conquered? Sorry, didn’t know I conquered anyone. Also, did I say Israel should be abolished? No, I just don’t like what they do. I don’t like Palestine either.

>Serbs celebrated this so the Austrians starting shelling Belgrade within weeks..
Holy shit, you're even more retarded than it seemed in the OP. I don't know where to even begin, you're a colossal retard.

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>Inb4 croatiacucks claim he is one of theirs

You think I don’t know that. I do. The circumstances surrounding WWI would have been completely different.

I just farted. It would kill your grandmother if she smelled it

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A butterfly flaps it's wings....

I'm pretty sure that this timeline is the most stable one.

Even Gavrilo didn't shoot Franz the actions would have been more deadly.

Instead of WWI you'd have a bigger war. More time to arm. More time entangling alliances.

Instead of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire you basically have the war of the middle east 80 years sooner.

Instead of the rise of fascist Germany you'd probably have the rise of a Fascist Russia.

United States would be basically be isolationist to an extreme fault.

The end result would be billions dead.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Campaign_of_World_War_I
>literally too retarded to use a search engine
Kys

How would things have changed? Maybe the date would have been delayed a month or two, but the alliances and outcome would have remained the same. Europe had been rearming for war and forming alliances for years at this point. Nothing about the war hinged on Princip's actions.

Checked

WWI was bound to happen regardless of his assassination. Europe was a powder keg just waiting to break into full scale war. His assassination provided a good justification for war, but had he not killed Ferdinand, something else would have happened to cause war

Postwar blame would’ve shaped treatment of Germany as much as it did irl. Also, more mobilisation, the worse it gets for Germany because the Russians would be able to capture Berlin

Hence “as we know it”

I hear ya, Dan

>That Picture

>That Flag

A fucking leaf.

A month here or there wouldn't have changed the outcome. Your entire argument is that the trigger would have changed the outcome. Tell me how. Thusfar, you've only spouted the typical meme bullshit that comes up everytime this subject is discussed.

It would have been the same basically. Germany was going to execute the Schlieffen plan that would draw England into the war and it would have been the same basic scenario. The events that followed WW1 would have probably been the same too unless Germany somehow won in this scenario

Maybe it could have been avoided and maybe not, the Schlieffen plan was written in stone and once set in motion at would run it's course to the bitter end.

But if it hadn't been triggered, maybe the wwii would not have happened.

I rank the Schlieffen plan as a system error (wwi) with unforeseeable consequences (wwii and Hitler).

No matter what we cant blame plans for our own actions and i think Nuremberg should have hanged Hitler.

t-thanks Gavrilo

^^^^

I don't think there's any scenario where war is avoided. Everyone saw war coming, that's why everyone was building up arms and forming alliances. The assassination is certainly the trigger for the war, but its entirely unfair to blame the whole war on the assassination. As both sides continued to build up arms, one side would have eventually decided to strike first to gain the upper hand. All that is needed is a convenient justification. In World War 2 this was the faux invasion by Poland, in WW1 this was the assassination.

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>>-no WWI as we know it ( the impetus for Austrian aggression against Serbia was his assassination)

This is actually wrong, Austria and Germany considered starting a war since 1912, it would have probably happened one way or the other.

You are right, anything could have triggered the Schlieffen plan and the world war one.

But Gavrilo Princip was the one that triggered it and even if it was not his purpose to do so he should be remembered as who he was, a southern slavic freedom fighter.

But if the wwi had not happened maybe the wwii would not have happened too.

But in retrospect we can only analyse and learn not change anything.

America chose badly. We know who is responsible

prove everything.

It's honestly pathetic that we chose to sit back and watch as 6 million innocent jews died. What kind of people sit back and watch 8 million jews die and do nothing about it? We deserve anything the jews do to us as revenge for allowing 10 million jews to die.

If the timelines changed we would not know about it since we are a part of it.

So if someone changed the timeline it would be the actual history for us.

Only someone outside of the timeline would detect any differences but as the butterfly states maybe it's for the best to change nothing at all.

Great horror, death and torture happened in the wwi and wwii but our generations are past it.

Maybe it's best to leave the timeline alone to avoid unforeseeable effects in the future, the far future well ahead of any time travel ...

Lol, there were 3 million Jews in Poland alone, what the hell is it with Americans and European history?

Orthodoy Jews would not classify non Orthodox Jews as Jews, NS classified atheists with Jewish parents as racial Jews. According to NS stats there were 11 million Jews in Europe at that time, religious and racially.

WWI was going to happen by the end of the decade, the entire world was militarizing and nationalism was reaching a fever pitch in the colonial powers. It could still have started in the Balkans, as another user pointed out a dispute between Britain and Germany, a colonial dispute is possible, literally any flashpoint would have lit the fuse on the entire world.

After that, everything falls apart and we enter what-if land because the military leadership on both sides was half competent veterans and half imbeciles with accolades.

A soviet Russia is still likely, Ottoman collapse still definite.

The best hope for a less bloody 20th century is in the Treaty. If the allies win like real life, its probably WWII all over again because the allies will want to stick it to Germany. I couldn't say what a german victory would look like politically, but if there still exists a France = WWII: France Boogaloo.

In my mind, best case scenario US never gets involved, both sides run out of morale and men by the end of the decade, full stalemate. US mediates a truce where no one gets completely fucked over.

Hardcore history just got another sub i see

>shaped the modern world

There is a difference between "shaping the modern world" and "random act of ass-holery"

Did he invent the computer? Or the television?
No, he was just a made up shit patsy to start a war?
okay

He literally dindu nuffin.
The war machinery was allready rollin.
It could be literally anyone and anything at that moment.

This is a really autistic way of looking at it. Like literal autism, get tested maybe?

>He didn't even meant to
Nothing this big is coincidence, ever

indeed, I wonder why there never any evidence for those claims is provided

WW1 would have happened regardless. Europe was a powder keg and something else would have lit the spark even if he hadn't assassinated the duke.

>WWI would still have happened because everything was already pumped up and tensions were skyrocketing

>Your thread is trash

Sage


Here's a picture of Emperor Maximilian I of Mexico, his death by the hands of US backed Mexican liberals was one of the first mayor events that skyrocketed the tensions in the world

>The war was ready a century after

You all are totally wrong. I took a course on Austrian history. The Austrians had recently gotten Serbia annexed and despite warnings, the emperor went in on a car to parade through. Serbia wouldn't have been attacked if there were no assassination, because Austria already had it under its control.

wait what, you mean Bosnia, right?

Sarajevo is currently located in modern Bosnia, but the land was called "Serbia" at the time of the assassination. kys for being so petty

If Austria annexed Serbia, what would be the point of declaring a war on them? Where did you take the course, behind the trailer park?

well, he's partly right though, as the Bosnian Serbs were absolutely unhappy having been annexed by Austria-H.

it was actually called bosnia

Princip did nothing wrong. Without him there would be no futa hentai. He should be remembered amongst Saints like Hitler, Blavatsky, Pol Pot or Hoxha.
HEIL PRINCIP