So... I'm having an identity crisis right now.
In my early years of political thinking I guess I would have been considered a centrist, I thought both sides were fucking stupid but I leaned right on a lot of issues.
Then I evolved into a libertarian. I thought "let everyone have complete freedom. As long as it's not bothering me I don't give a fuck"
But then I realized they are bothering me, and the vast majority of people are astoundingly stupid, and they vote.
And now here I am... I don't know where to go from here. I am beginning to think freedom and democracy was a mistake, obviously communism and leftism is an even worse choice. I think we need a fucking dictator. I can't believe I'm saying that, it goes against everything that was pumped into my head in school, that authoritarianism is the spawn of Satan... but democracy (or representative republic if you really want to split hairs) has clearly failed us. Western society is crumbling, and I want to preserve it.
So... I'm having an identity crisis right now
Oh, and I guess I'm asking where I should go from here. It seems fascism is the only logical continuation of western civilization.
It boggles me that I've come to this conclusion... but it seems that it is the uncomfortable truth.
What do?
Even fascists want their dictator to basically abolish democracy. The problem with waking up from the brain-washing is that the ideology of public schools is not just wrong, but in many ways insane. There are so many contradictions and wishful thinking that when reality hits, it hits hard. It's not strange that you don't know how to structure a government, no ordinary person should know such things. Most people merely read about it so they understand their own government more, not to start a democratic platform. The central fiction of our times is that you have power, and that The Voice of the People is right about government, and everything else. So you still feel pressured to figure out what the 'correct' principles of government and morality are, and then you find out that there is no University book for that. Probably best thing for you to do to avoid depression and black pill is to completely disconnect yourself from Progressive propaganda for a while, and not discuss it with anyone either. It's a sick world that looks sicker and sicker the longer you observe it from the outside. Time to read old books and work hard on yourself. Your political power is negligible atm anyway.
>In my early years of political thinking I [was] a centrist
>Then I evolved into a libertarian
>But then I realized they are bothering me
>And now here I am...
Never heard of this story before.
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Used to be a Socialist/Dem when I was 12, then became conservative in my teenage year but more like neocon/Reagan-like, but I still called myself centrist. Became fascist, racist, homophobic and to some point "altright" when I saw how muhc Sup Forums was right about Trumps coverage by the media. Not that theres nothing wrong with him, but rather he was a beneficial element that triggered the media machine and consequently redpilled me. If Hillary had won I'd still be conservative.
Beside, it's not like you have to completely abandon your love for liberty: you just have to update it based on the new information you've acquired.
A post, a cartoon, and a screencap have made more sense than anything I have ever been told in institutions of learning, or by the media, or by my friends and family. All from a Mongolian basket weaving forum.
Wow.
Guidestones
There there.. we got you bro.
>I would have been considered a centrist, I thought both sides were fucking stupid but I leaned right on a lot of issues.
That isn't what a centrism is you dumb nihilist. Centrism means you can be liberal and authoritarian at the same time choosing what better fits your interests in the moment.
hey, hows it going? Yeah, I'm older than you but have come to the same conclusions through the same path as you apparently.
Pretty much the non-aggression principle works so long as most of the society has the same values. Also, so long as society and government and the police and courts aren't actively discriminating and pursuing inequality and racial strife.
So don't worry about the moral dilemma, there isn't one. Crush your fucking enemies, and have no mercy.
You guys weren't fucking around when you use the term redpill. I almost feel like Neo when he discovers the reality of his situation. He desperately wants to be plugged back into the machine, but he cant. It's uncomfortable.
Welcome to the club. You can't go back, neither do you really want to.
>Jonathan Davis has made people stupider since 1950
It checks out
This is all true but democracy did work better when we didn't have women voting with their vaginas.
I'm a centrist too. However I think we need to start taking a more measured approach. I alone have been shitting on leftists on university campus recently and completely humiliating them. Just seeing them cry because they know they are failures makes me feel good(I'm in STEM).
In order to change society from the stupidity we have now, we need to take action and stop talking about it on the Internet to each other for mental masturbation.
The stupidity has gone on for far too long and the best course of action is to denounce people who offer no value to society right to their face instead of hiding it.
They'll call it "alt-right abuse", but it really isn't. Call them idiots right to their face.
>I think we need a fucking dictator.
what about an informed populace?
Please elaborate
You know what I meant smartass
Well what do we do then? I'm not gonna pull a fucking Timothy McVeigh and have my family name soiled. I'm not going to fire the first shot. But honesty, at what point does this all break?
But I am ready, pic related
80% of population would not really care if aliens land on our planet right now
>Western society is crumbling, and I want to preserve it.
>I want to preserve it
>preserve it
There's your problem, kiddo
Complete revival is the only answer
There is nothing left of Western society
Be a vector for awareness, for our memes. That's how we've gotten this far and really it's only been a few years.
This is you breaking the conditioning and understanding reality beyond the one that is forced down your throat everyday. People go into politics to change something generally, not to conserve it.
iq declined right when we started importing niggers
Use the Guidestones as a sort of foundation
link to thread
I am at the exact same point user. I believe a benevolent dictatorship (yes i understand the irony) is the only real way to survive. Fascist/benevolent dictatorship/ethno-state
Yeah it's a bit of a nazi meme on here but fascism, NSDAP style is pretty good. I would make some changes, yes I would allow gays to live and not execute people who have free speech.
A form of "Modern day (the current year!) fascism" if you will.
To live in absolute freedom would require everyone to be intelligent, logical and all around sane. That unfortunately is only a small percentage world wide.
Perhaps a form of eugenics would ultimately lead to that with fascism being a stepping stone,
I followed almost the exact same path as you (with an early authoritarian left phase thrown in).
Now I'm at the point where fascism seems the undeniably right choice for the modern West. I disagree with the NatSox's Fuhrerprinzip and I'm further left economically+environmentally than most on the altrught but that's it.
As far as democracy, in a high IQ, high trust, strongly nationalist White nation without a subversive 5th column anything can work but I'm finding myself increasingly drawn to the Classical-era ideas of restricted democrscy. Just a matter of how you restrict franchise since. Level of education is a nonstarter as is family. Maybe Heinlein haf the right idea
What do you consider an informed populace? One that will try to save every baby's life even if it costs tens of thousands of dollars because it's sad to see babies die? Because that's the kind of populace you have right now
opinions change, dumbass.
>One that will try to save every baby's life even if it costs tens of thousands of dollars because it's sad to see babies die? Because that's the kind of populace you have right now
I don't believe people do this because they are genuinely good though. I believe they do this, just as most of the left does to pat themselves on the back and brag about how nice and tolerant they are.
Nobody gos silently to work and help in Africa, they go to take selfies on FB with the smiling African children (treating them like animals) and to come home and forever boast about how much of a good person they are.
It's why some dad refugee child in the media gets so much attention from them meanwhile the poor kid down the street who just receives none.
>dead refugee**
There is no absolutely correct answer. At the end of the day someone will always be trying to fuck you over, and someone has to be fucked over for what you want to happen.
Pretty much the best thing that can happen politically for you is to use anything in your power and use the tools of the government to push for what is best for you and for what you care about.
When you get into muh ideologies, it all starts boiling down to semantics and meaningless squabbles over nothing.
What matters is whether or not things are improving for you, for your people, for your country. When you follow that to it's logical conclusion, of course it would be best for you to have a fascist dictatorship that will use it's massive tax payer cash pile to solve the things you see as the problem, but that's not a realistic ideology. You are never going to find some perfect dictator and have him do exactly what you want.
Obsess less about ideology and labels and think short term. What is the problem? Whites are getting replaced? Ok, what must be done to reverse that trend, which people should I support and what action I must take to make sure the white percentage doesn't go down?
Step one is redpilling the masses through memes. That's what we've been doing for the past years. Lately it has really started to blow up in the mainstream. We're on the right path.
It's only gonna get worse from that. You will be noticing degeneracy while nobody else does. You'll want to scream about it ,fight it but you won't because they wouldn't understand. Life ain't easy here but when you understand that striving towards better world is a virtue that starts from yourself,you will find some peace. Godspeed with you
>you see this ultimate form of degeneracy
>people are so far lost they applaud this and call it progression
>Finland
Baby steps, OP.
>Welcome to Finland! We need more people like you here
Right in the feels
>libertarian.
>But vote.
Dude are u just a baaaad larp or genuinely retarded ?
Libertarianism means freedom, not ppl voting over each other u immense faggot!
Holy Jesus. What is that?! WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?!!
>being libertarian means opting out of politics and allowing other people to vote against your interests
>I think we need a fucking dictator.
Yeah all of Sup Forums want to be dictators given democracy doesn’t work for unpopular ideologies. Bunch of fucktards.
> muh democracy
Read some Plato, man. Or Tocqueville. Don't be a pleb.
TOLERANCE. DIVERSITY. PROGRESSION.
THE FUTURE AND IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL!
chilean junta regime is my wet dream
HE KNOW DE WEI
The constitution lays out the most superior federal government the world has ever known. All of the problems in the world are literally spawned from the influx of black and brown people. THEY are the ones incapable of governing or voting. If they were not a voting block this whole country would be a majority conservative OR them democratic party would more resemble legitimate political party without the need to play identity politics and cater to it virtue signaling constituents.
Libertarians have the right idea, my biggest problem is their open border shit. The only people that could support that are uncultured idiots that don't understand other races and nationalities. But giving people more freedom is overall good. Laws are bad. Too many laws keep mother nature from keeping everything in balance. Like, seatbelt laws for example. Most people don't need a law to tell them to put on their seatbelts. They are smart enough to see the statistics and choose to protect themselves. Stupid people then die. Natural selection. When we write laws forcing people to wear seatbelts we save stupid people.
You're just a pussy. People are smart enough, intelligence is overrated anyway. I was born very gifted and it's just isolating and not even useful. The problem with power is that people fear losing it and dedicate most of their efforts to directly opposing anything that would threaten their power and this makes them incapable of ruling. The stupid mob will make mistakes, but there isn't an alternative that will not. If you want to preserve culture give power to the people, that's where culture comes from.
Every system of governance is a mistake, because the world is always in cyclical flux. It's easier to balance a bowling ball on a needle than to stabilize a society. While different balancing methods fall apart at different rates and with different degrees of abject suffering, throwing a giant fossil fuel explosion at a society will knock it off balance no matter what the stabilization method. We live in interesting times.
You’re missing the larger picture, who controls the subhuman horde? Who commands them into being an efficient vector for the subversion of white countries?
Is anybody able to fill me in on why something like a scientific council wouldnt work.
Kind of a dictatorship but positions are elected via your peers.
I.E have a member based on all the recognised areas of science. Engineering, Physics, Anthropology ect and have them form a ruling council. What they say goes?
Could something like this work.... What are its weaknesses ect?
For the record I am pretty much where OP is I cant see past facism but normies are indocrinated from age 3 that facism is bad.
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And never accept the meme of 'political identity.' Identity politics is cancer.
Shareblue shills
Sage
reminder that politics is mental poison, the ultimate blue pill.
If you want sanity and peace of mind, live your life and realize the value of time is worth more than wasting it on pol.
Watch all of your enemies pick up the identity banner and rally the degenerate horde of subhumanity under it. We either line up in rank against them or fall as an atomized and incohesive libertarian bloc
Sorry kike, whitey isn’t going to be apathetic anymore
welcome
You guys don't understand. ALL of our representatives have a shared interest in making the voting public as dumb and divided as possible because that is how we are easiest to control and exploit.
>hitler comes to power -> PEAK intelligence
>hitler vanishes from earth -> degeneracy starts
i see a pattern here........
you're overdosing on the freedom meme and heading into anarchism territory.
I've come to the conclusion that no political organization will work, every system will fail, and therefore in the end, the ideology that should be implemented should be the one that, when it inevitably falls, left with the least amount of net human suffering. I've yet to come up with which system that is.
My logic can be described thusly:
>humans inherently tend to have such traits as greed, envy, pride and ambition
>humans have made civilizations for at least 50,000 years
>in that short span of time, we've had thousands of civilizations
>almost all of them no longer exist, whether it be due to war, economic collapse, diplomatic takeovers, democratic transitioning to another system, etc.
>all current nations' administrations are corrupted
>conclusion: human nature impedes human nations, and therefore no matter the system, it'll eventually fail
I'm still trying to work out the ideas, and iron out the details, but that's my reasoning.
Man is flawed, ergo any system he creates will also be flawed. We should maximize freedom for the individual as a safeguard.
An ideology of fascism is almost never a people's first choice for societal rule. It is almost always in reaction to something. A defensive reactionary action to preserve a society.
When things happen, they happen fast. Most of us are here because we are smart enough to realize immense changes are taking place that will determine the outcome of the next hundreds years. We recognize the unnatural influences bringing this change. Elitist social engineering. Machinations to control the minds of a populace and submit them to in essence what is slavery. Forcing a low iq society to fight over scraps, working menial jobs, only to pay a large portion of meager pay to support a tyrannical government- Who in turn pays huge interest payments to Jew bankers.
We must all become the best people we can. The literal survival of western life is all on our shoulders. Our actions will effect the next hundreds if not thousands of years. Our reserve and mother land of Europe, has a dubious future. We are now playing the game with no extra lives. Game over is something easy to conceptualize.
Read books, Use critical thinking. Become Powerful in your independence. Learn how to do practical things. (ie- car maintenance, growing food, hunting, preserving food, etc)
No, I understand perfectly. That's why I voted for Donald Trump and continue to support candidates that are not career politicians and genuinely believe in freedom. That is why I engage in political discussion as politely as possible with anyone who will listen and gently redpill them with whatever truths they are capable of handling. Slowly change is coming and the swamp is draining but if more people don't wake up before the midterms we are fucked. You're not going to change shit by running around wearing swastikas and screaming about Hitler though.
>ppl will stop doing crime if we let them be free.
>the individual is the most important thing, more important than family.
No. I simply want to let stupid people go back to killing themselves the way nature intended. We still need government. Just less of it
>What are its weaknesses ect?
Leadership isn't about having the best knowledge and theories. Most of the great leaders in human history have led by instinct. I like the idea of your council, but acting as advisors to a great leader rather than being the leaders themselves. Kind of like the relationship between Alexander the Great and Aristotle.
A society's best metric for success is the level of individual freedom. Before I became what I am now, I was an ancap. But even that, by my estimations, wouldn't work for long. Freedom only works as long as it can be preserved and protected, and thus far that's become a seemingly insurmountable task.
What value is there in maximizing freedom for the individual when our racial enemies are all natural collectivists who use their freedom to organize against whites and pilfer us in our own countries?
> the vast majority of people are astoundingly stupid, and they vote.
No, the vast majority of people are astoundingly apathetic. The remainder are very easily led.
a well educated and politically aware populace produces much better results.
Mandatory participation also produces centrist results as the majority - who would not otherwise participate - tend to vote for the status quo. Voluntary democracies produce vocal minorities on the extremes.
Individualism does not mean "never form a group", user. If you are up against a group, then form a group in turn.
no you're a fucking idiot if you don't see how that logic can be applied to anything. I decree that borders can be done away with because the smartest/strongest survive and natural selection will fix everything, etc.
it's an infantile and reductive way of thinking and approaching politics. people should absolutely be forced to do things for their own good.
This aligns with my worldview. Voluntary group cooperation to fight a common enemy against liberty.
>Slowly change is coming and the swamp is draining
Can you elaborate? Trump is drawing attention to the issues that are actually destroying the nation, which is great, but do you really think those problems are going to be solved by voting republican?
Similar situation for me, but being non-white is leading me towards Chicano nationalism.
Try to force me to do anything I see unreasonable and I will revolt. Liberty or death, muthafuckas.
>We should maximize freedom
define freedom. I define freedom as access to free education and healthcare and housing for maximum individual liberty. anyone can define it any way they want. now what?
How is free healthcare free user? Is there a well you go to which provides it freely or does someone have to labor in order to provide it to you freely? Sounds more like slavery to me.
You’re living in fantasyland if you think small bands of poorly organized whites can confront the entire apparatus of unified Jewry and the shitskin horde they command. We’re already playing catchup and you want whites to splinter even more than already have
That's not freedom, by definition.
>Freedom, generally, is having an ability to act or change without constraint. A thing is "free" if it can change its state easily and is not constrained in its present state
The best way to put a term to freedom, when speaking politically, is the freedom from something. That contrasts it with a right, which is a right to something.
I have the right to unrestricted dialog (free speech), but not the freedom from its consequences.
I have the freedom from forced religion, and the right to choose one, should that be my perogative.
how is the absence of free healthcare free? how does a person have maximum freedom if they are constrained by their health, their luck, the economy, their peers? you clearly hate freedom.
You're living in an authoritarian wet dream if you think deleting individual freedoms sounds take precedence when attempting to fight something.
You think that they are unified on anything is funny. They can't even decide on a platform to rally behind other than I hate whitey which is a shaky idea at best. How do you think the American revolution happened?
How about a libertarian government but concessions given for a strong police/military force? The key to that working is an iq test with a cut off of like 110. Technically alot of people get to vote and it is not a dictatorship. Whites would automatically win each time so we could give the merchants Das boot. The based shitskins who are actually intelligent still get a say but statistically they would be a minority therefore they would not be able to gain too much momentum. It is fair. Equality may be a false God but Meritocracy is not. I know it is not a solar imperium in higher ideals but pragmatically in a facist dictatorship it just takes one bad ruler to ruin a whole empire. Liberty may be an ideal rooted in optimism but so is a benevolent dictatorship.
Should take precedence*
Phoneposting on the way to work like an utter faggot
What about freedom from leftist subversion? What about freedom from shitskin crime? What about freedom from Jewish usury?
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Don't be pic related faggots.
You have the right to defend yourself, and the right to free association. If you deem those issues important, freely associate, form a group, and defend yourself.
Thats 100% not freedom for the people who have to provide those services though.
Unless you are using freedom loosely.
Umm ok. Voluntary exchange. You can offer me breadsticks and I offer you something of equal value in exchange for your breadsticks. Seems like basic commerce to me.
Additionally, none of those groups have the right to do those things, therefore they are in the wrong, and you have every right to take action.
Look at all the politicians dropping out already. How many senators and reps have announced they're not even going to try to get reelected? Don't vote republican just because it says republican. Vote for the one that isn't a career politician. Most likely the one the establishment is bashing the hardest.
I was a liberal 10 years ago. Embrace the red pill. user.
freedom doesn't mean everything is free dumbass
why do you need to identify with a political group?
just have opinions you can defend.