Iron March

Can we have a thread dedicated to Iron March and Iron March material?

I never hung out there, but I've seen a number of things that have come out of there and would like more.

Other urls found in this thread:

laraj.ca/AGwiki/uploads/Contemporary/IronmarchOriginals/IronMarch - Next Leap.pdf
laraj.ca/AGwiki/uploads/Contemporary/IronmarchOriginals/IronMarch - A Squire's Trial.pdf
laraj.ca/AGwiki/uploads/Fascism/America/James Mason - SIEGE 3rd Edition.pdf
youtube.com/watch?v=uFkpkWagpBE
laraj.ca/AGwiki/
pastebin.com/rCykseWx
pastebin.com/DbpUsp4w
youtube.com/watch?v=ce6cYDZTxLY
northwestfront.org/
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

Here are a couple links to PDF I found on here at some point

laraj.ca/AGwiki/uploads/Contemporary/IronmarchOriginals/IronMarch - Next Leap.pdf

laraj.ca/AGwiki/uploads/Contemporary/IronmarchOriginals/IronMarch - A Squire's Trial.pdf

bump?

bump

It's fucked up they shoa'd ropeculture, shit was dope

Anyone have the link to SIEGE? I have it saved on my computer, but don't have the link

let me check my history

I've never heard of iron March, is their website blocked? I can't seem to get on IRONMARCH.org

laraj.ca/AGwiki/uploads/Fascism/America/James Mason - SIEGE 3rd Edition.pdf

>would love more info on iron march and or ropeculture

>more info
The whole reason I made this thread, I do too.

when did it go down? i remember seeing a lot of the infographics and stuff plastered all over here

November I think actually. Weev actually did a show about it in remember when it got shoah'ed

youtube.com/watch?v=uFkpkWagpBE

i'll have to listen to that, was about to post an audio link of it but ya beat me too it. there is a bunch of ironmarch materials on that laraj.ca site

The sites got canned because the host decided to go on some kind of "vision journey" but given he lives in Russia who the fuck knows happened to him.

The books are all here laraj.ca/AGwiki/
siegeculture.com is the new ropeculture for the time being (creator is in contact with James Mason too which is awesome)

>about to post an audio link of it but ya beat me too it
Again...

Do you find that whenever you find the "right" thread with the "right" people this happens constantly? Anons constantly beating each other to links, songs, memes and anything else you can think of? It really is like we're all on the same wavelength. That there's so much more at play than just shitposting on the internet. It's esoteric /x/ shit for sure, but there's something extra going on with us.

pastebin.com/rCykseWx
Ropeculture (NOOSE) archive

Thanks Blessed Natt

>siege
Legit reading that as I shitpost with you goys

Definately, there is a synchro-mystic force or pattern to it. I was thinking of this stuff earlier, it is like out there and it all coalesces. Good to see stuff like this (or anything at least semi-serious) so much "pol BTFO" shit out there.

A gorillion thanks to you

thanks as well

>pic related?? not sure how accurate, save a bunch of stuff at random

No that picture is bullshit. Probably cooked up by some intellectual headass 16 y/o desu.

National Socialism is based on the Fascist Worldview, they are not separate. Italian ideology and National Socialism however are but the core is the same. Pic related.


Oh and someone organized a little beginner material dump if any of you want to read it
pastebin.com/DbpUsp4w

If it's bullshit how come I've heard both fascists and NatSoc say that? Both leaders of American Vanguard(openly fascist) and TWP(openly Folkish/NatSoc) both say those same things roughly.

I see that link has the "Ford translation" of Mein Kampf. What's the difference between that and the Stalag?

thanks, i saw someone on arguing that fascism was a form of civic nationalism because it served the state and not the people.

not sure what to believe

Don't you mean islammarch OP?

Because they don't understand the shit they label themselves with or misinterpreted what they read or listened to some other blind man try to describe it.

>American Vanguard
LOL

>TWP
Hamback is a Duginist/Nazbol. TWP itself does charity work so I can't fault the whole organization but God damn it has issues.

Dillion's just a plain idiot. His leadership so far has turned AV from a near success to a derelict ship. He's also afraid of bad boy points from the press which is a huge L.


Ford has annotations. Stalag was verified to be accurate by the NSDAP.

>civic nationalism
Yeah that shit makes me cringe. Can't really have a folk if there's nothing unifying. Culture doesn't work because culture ends up coming from race anyway.

>I see that link has the "Ford translation" of Mein Kampf. What's the difference between that and the Stalag?
Stalag is supposed to be the only English version of the book that was written by the Germans themselves. If that's true and how much a difference there actually is varies depending on who you talk to.

Kys

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Gonna post the rest of this set because why the fuck not

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God fucking damn it. Okay you post the rest

>Gonna post the rest of this set because why the fuck not
Anything yo don't post that I have I'll post.

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what is the lol about American Vanguard?
all these groups.. heh

>God fucking damn it. Okay you post the rest
lol okay.

If you have anything I don't post it.

Run by a complete and utter retard who knows nothing and practically deserted.

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okay....

>fascism is a form of civic nationalism
From what I've seen I guess one could TECHNICALLY make that leap, but it's inherently disingenuous. There is that quote from Benito about it not being about race but I think anyone would be able to apply a race aspect to fascism.

Also, if you aren't familiar enough with the ideology, why do you have a fascist flag? Represent yourself accurately is all I'm saying.

I agree with you on AV, TWP always seems odd to me. Honestly, anyone that is trying to be a leader or face for the movement and is shlubby and out of shape, I'm looking at you Enoch, needs to stop and get to the gym.

And thanks for the bit about Ford/Stalag

It's just interesting because in the Murdoch Murdoch(they're great, I don't care what anyone says) they used a Ford translation to kill zombie MLK jr

Godspeed, anons.

Wow both the leaders of two of the most pathetic so-called fascist movements said something dumb? Shit, must be true.

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hey, I'm just not well read enough in either ideology yet to know, so I'm asking. ffs.

I get distracted shitposting and forget to read. That's something I've been working on this year.

>It's just interesting because in the Murdoch Murdoch(they're great, I don't care what anyone says) they used a Ford translation to kill zombie MLK jr
imo it just depends on if one is smart enough to see through potential bullshit translation.

I figure as long as a kike didn't translate it and it doesn't have annotations about how "this is the chapter dealing with Hitler wanting to holocaust the juice" it's fine by me.

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Iron March is gone? Fuck!

Well, I guess I won't be seeing Alexander for a long time..

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I do have to ask what people think about Patriot Front? They seem to be legit and God DAMN that aesthetic.

I would join if I wasn't obliged else where.

youtube.com/watch?v=ce6cYDZTxLY

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I do believe this is the end of my collection.

>kike didn't translate
I was in a book store and saw the Mariner published one that Ralph Manheim translated. I can't see if he's a jew, but it actually wasn't that bad. There was some obvious kikery about "* edited in second edition to X" and the edited version was MUCH better than the original that I have to wonder why (((they))) didn't just but the original down for the asterisk, but otherwise alright.

Is this a shitpost? Patriot Front is retarded, which is no surprise because it's run by literal retards. After the soyboy defacto leader of American Vanguard got kicked out he went and founded Patriot Front, continuing his legacy of doing nothing for the movement. The founder of American Vanguard is also in Patriot Front, the same guy who was kicked out for looking at hentai on the AV instagram. They have no game plan, no understanding of doctrine or worldview, no end game, and will likely get you locked up in jail due to sheer incompetence. If you're joining a group for aesthetics or for te sake of joining one, you shouldn't be in one. Needless action is never a better idea than no action.

>hentai
What kind?
Important question.

If I ever write a book or "manifesto" of sorts, I'm going to use this image to format it. That's really useful tbhfam

Iron March is pretty much a massive law enforcement honeypot. It routinely produces organizations that get V& almost instantly (National Action, Atomwaffen), alongside absolutely deranged imbeciles like Lindsay Kantha Souvannarath.

These are people who fundamentally do not understand what meaningful activism entails or how to get results. They're primarily just edgy, antisocial manchildren who use ideology as an excuse to commit mass violence, though at the core all they're really doing is violence for violence's sake. They have no successes to show for their actions, no real results they can claim credit for. The aesthetics and posturing are a deliberate attempt to cover up an increasingly obvious track record of failure.

You're underselling him. I helped run AV for a long time and got to know Dillon personally. The man is a human puppet who has never strung a coherent sentence together in his life. He can't lead; if he thinks you're doing something wrong all he'll say is "unfuck your shit". He doesn't WANT to lead; literally never contributed to AV at all and never seemed to want to. He was basically the leader in name only, prissy little Thomas ended up doing all the leadership shit. Of course, he'd never step down either.

So I left the movement for a while, back before SIEGE had really caught on, and recently came back. Now that SIEGE is hot shit and everyone needs to read it, suddenly he and AV think they are SIEGEpilled now but to no surprise and likely because they haven't actually read it, they aren't doing anything different and he is still stringing these hapless idiots along for the ride.

>no game plan
That's inaccurate. They're plan is massive guerrilla campaigns. Flyers and banners anywhere and everywhere. If you want my honest opinion, the leadership can always be challenged and changed if need be, but they have the look and enough of the right messaging that it can be taken to great heights.

>I was in a book store and saw the Mariner published one that Ralph Manheim translated. I can't see if he's a jew, but it actually wasn't that bad. There was some obvious kikery about "* edited in second edition to X" and the edited version was MUCH better than the original that I have to wonder why (((they))) didn't just but the original down for the asterisk, but otherwise alright.
Yeah I think an intelligent, Jew aware person can even see through the potential bullshit of any translation.

The mere fact that someone wants to read the book to gain a deeper understanding shows a level of thought that makes the Jews very concerned over.


>If I ever write a book or "manifesto" of sorts, I'm going to use this image to format it. That's really useful tbhfam
yeah if there's one thing Ironmarch had was a A+ infographics. Just wish they had more. To the point and pulls absolutely no punches. Article related.

pic related

Idk what he was looking at, but I know where you're going with this.

>They have no game plan, no understanding of doctrine or worldview, no end game, and will likely get you locked up in jail due to sheer incompetence.

The irony is that people will attack Identity Evropa for being the exact opposite of this statement.

>Iron March is pretty much a massive law enforcement honeypot
Don't you know?

Anything that advocates any real-world action that can produce actual change to benefit the White race is a "honeypot."

why live under white shariah?

>calls IM a honeypot and disses revolutionary thought
>shills for IE

GEE
I WONDER WHO COULD BE BEHIND THIS POST

I think people just like to bitch. Especially those that sit at home and do nothing and are mad that people don't do EXACTLY what their mastermind of a big brain would do.

But instead of forming their own thing, they just bitch like the faggots they are

t. a faggot that sits at home and does nothing, but doesn't bitch about those actually going out and doing stuff

>The irony is that people will attack Identity Evropa for being the exact opposite of this statement.
Just curious...how does IE intend to secure the existence of the White race outside of placing fliers?

The difference is that not all groups that are taking action are being V& en masse. Groups associated with Iron March are, so even if you really are a belligerent retard who thinks he can somehow cause the system to collapse by blowing a few things up, you're basically putting a huge sticker on your head that says "come and get me, Mister Federal Agent!"

i thought the argument had merit, but there was something off about it. (i've also seen an alleged quote that Hitler said race was bs)
>it is a theme/meme flag for the thread, i always thought meme flags were a gag at best/warning that the person was going to spew utter nonsense.

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i'll have to dig some interviews up from the guy

Hmm two posts for Patriot Front from the same guy. What a coincidence.

>flyers and banners everywhere

So you didn't learn anything and you're still putting up posters. Wow. Edgy. Careful guys don't want to collapse the system TOO hard. I mean this is my big gripe with American Vanguard, and I see now it's carried over to PF too. It's TommyTactics. Just put up more posters. Okay, that's done, now what? Put up more posters. What is that accomplishing? You're sinking money into that and not getting anything for it.

What is the message exactly? Can anyone from Patriot Front even tell me what Fascism is? The tactics that they are using are aimed at appealing to the masses and gaining control of the system, which demonstrates to me that they know fuck all and are out playing for attention, because lemmings don't care about us and the system has to be shattered beyond repair if we're going to win.

Also that means America has to die, but that was a given anyways. Another L for Patriot Front for defending a kike experiment gone mad.


Because Identity Europa is fucking RETARDED.
le big think


What is the messaging?

They don't. They want tithes and to LARP in office IT uniforms.

>not being a lone wolf and doing that
The people who actually would blow something up at this present time would not associate with any group. AWD and SRN exist to organize small scale until a time in which they can operate unimpeded. That is the idea behind their cells.

>theme/meme flag
fair enough, carry on

>The difference is that not all groups that are taking action
What action are those groups that aren't getting banned advocating? Because while it might look cool, torch rallies don't actually make the 14 words a reality.

>are being V& en masse.
And how are those groups being banned?

>Groups associated with Iron March are,
Well one would think if they were all honeypots they wouldn't get shut down by whomever is banning them.

>so even if you really are a belligerent retard who thinks he can somehow cause the system to collapse by blowing a few things up,
Well we're certainly not going to vote our way out of this mess.

>you're basically putting a huge sticker on your head that says "come and get me, Mister Federal Agent!"
I haven't seen a mass arrest (or even individual arrests) of anyone in pro-White groups.

>They don't. They want tithes and to LARP in office IT uniforms.
I know, I just wanted to see what that user said about how IE is going to save the White race.

>tfw unironically enjoyed SIEGE

This.

AWD was probably the best group in America, but they're fucked to hell now. Doesn't matter, joining groups is a good way to get fucked up. Our worst enemies are the people in the movement with us, if not because they are an infiltrator, then because they will drag you down. If you're serious - and I mean REALLY serious - you're basically on your own. You're going to end up waging a one-man war, and you're going to get fucked up for it.

Only way to go is local rn.

>Hmm two posts for Patriot Front from the same guy. What a coincidence.
nigga, do you know what a discussion is?

As for what else, they're going pretty regualarly to IRL locations and doing guerilla style rallies. It's small number right now, but they can grow. Either way it annoys the non-whites in the area, so it's a win in my book.

And I think you're missing the point where enough people aren't with us yet. You're going full SIEGE and I think it's too early for taht.

IE isn't terribly bright either because they're just as caught up in the Jacobin romanticism, but unlike Ironmarch-related groups they actually manage to stay operational and continue to grow and make waves.

I'm kind of guilty there, but I don't really think activism in the traditional sense will legitimately accomplish my goals. I'm simply waiting for democracy to collapse under the weight of technological progress, then come forward with a better, more palatable idea.

Same way the left took power over the last few decades: organize and agitate, pushing the overton window further and further. IE understands that the democratic system as it stands simply can't be destroyed and will be increasingly harder and harder to "kill" as time goes on. Instead, they're opting to use tactics that are proven to work in terms of culture-jamming and norm-disrupting so as to shift electoral politics in their favor. And gradually it does seem to be working, whites are gradually waking up to the racial animus coming at them from the left.

>everyone is controlled opposition
This is fucking bullshit. I've seen this before and it's fucking bullshit.

I can agree that """"""leaders""""""" could and some most likely ARE controlled, but the majority of the people in the threads and forums aren't and believe in the personalities.

This is some 8/pol/ type shit

>trusting a Muslim ever

Those morons deserved what they got. You can't say shit about the alt-right, the biggest thing you guys did was being victims to shitskins

>I'm simply waiting for democracy to collapse
You need to set up infrastructure first, otherwise the commies win by default. They have that shit on lock and have been building it for decades now.

>Same way the left took power over the last few decades: organize and agitate, pushing the overton window further and further. IE understands that the democratic system as it stands simply can't be destroyed and will be increasingly harder and harder to "kill" as time goes on. Instead, they're opting to use tactics that are proven to work in terms of culture-jamming and norm-disrupting so as to shift electoral politics in their favor. And gradually it does seem to be working, whites are gradually waking up to the racial animus coming at them from the left.
I don't believe the anti-Whites that control the system will ever allow pro-Whites to legally hold office.

Christ, Trump isn't completely one of them and they treat him like he's Hitler reborn.

If an actual pro-White was a legitimate candidate, it would be 100x worse. If they didn't just off the dude ala GLR.

Not that the JewSA is going to be having the capability to hold legit elections in 25 years time. By then the entire country will be collapsing.

>make waves
Yeah no. Most they've done is lightweigh rabble rousing. Too afraid of the law and too hopeful that the system will just bend over for them.

>You need to set up infrastructure first,
There is a group that is preparing for the amurrican collapse and doing something when the time is right.

Sup Forums absolutely hates to hear about them though.

northwestfront.org/

>Because while it might look cool, torch rallies don't actually make the 14 words a reality.

They're certainly doing more than whatever your group is doing, that's for sure.

>And how are those groups being banned?

Go ask National Action or Atomwaffen, or rather the remnants that haven't been swept up by law enforcement.

>so even if you really are a belligerent retard who thinks he can somehow cause the system to collapse by blowing a few things up,

What if I told you that neither option worked in full, but voting does more to stop the bleeding than bombing?

> and will be increasingly harder and harder to "kill" as time goes on.
The beast is dying of old age.

>proven to work
Proven to work is finding orators, holding meetings on the CONSTANT despite loss of personal wealth, and not being afraid to use force against enemies.

They will NEVER win via the ballot.

HA! They're another group I'm constantly hearing is controlled/honeypot

Covington is a fat loser. Ludwig is a petit bourgeois loser.
White flight is a shit tactic.

>They're certainly doing more than whatever your group is doing, that's for sure.
Well the group I advocate for has an actual plan.

>Go ask National Action or Atomwaffen, or rather the remnants that haven't been swept up by law enforcement.
Well I think we would've heard from the judeo media about mass arrests of evil neonazis.

>What if I told you that neither option worked in full, but voting does more to stop the bleeding than bombing?
I'd disagree as there are no politicians that care about saving Whites.

>HA! They're another group I'm constantly hearing is controlled/honeypot
Because, again, they're one of the few groups that advocate doing something (in their case, moving to the PNW and actually meeting up with other pro-Whites)

>Covington is a fat loser.
And people tend to say that when they can't refute anything he says or advocates.

>White flight is a shit tactic.
Not that it's White flight, mind you.

Yes, yes, that's the point of the "antiversity" and a lot of "alt-tech," slowly creating non-lefty institutions that aren't going to be subverted or co-opted.

>I don't believe the anti-Whites that control the system will ever allow pro-Whites to legally hold office.

There's a difference between believing and knowing. Likewise, the goal isn't to get a pro-White into office yet, the goal is to get people like Trump who aren't anti-White into office as a means of preventing the situation from passing the point of no return.

They have good reason to be afraid of the law. Once the hammer comes down on you that's it, game over. You may as well be dead.

>nigga, do you know what a discussion is?

Well you (tried to) subtly post about how cool PF was and then got a bit rustled in the jimmies when I called them out. Hardly a discussion. More like you being a shill, me calling you out for it, and you getting butthurt for it. You can tell Thomas that his sister is bangin tho.

>they're going pretty regualarly to IRL locations and doing guerilla style rallies

A whole lot of nothing then. You realize that we're enemies of the system, right? Terrorists if only in name. Our BEST weapon is our anonymity. You lose that when you start larping IRL. You also run the risk of getting arrested. If you go to jail because you bombed an FBI building, hats off to you, see you on the other side brother. But if you go to jail because you decided to march around outside with a flag with a bunch of other faggots, you're a bitch.

>Either way it annoys the non-whites in the area

Wow, it annoys them. Wow. Really scoring those decisive victories fellas.

>And I think you're missing the point where enough people aren't with us yet. You're going full SIEGE and I think it's too early for taht.

You've just gone and proved my point. Thomas has always advocated for mass movements - which I hope by now everyone realizes are IMPOSSIBLE - and he achieves them by PR and optics cucking.

The lemmings do not give two fucks about you. You're upsetting the system that feeds and fattens them. You are their enemy by default. It doesn't matter how right you are, you cannot match the system's propaganda machine, nor would they listen to you if you could. The people who come to the movement do so because they are different from the majority of society. They think different; freely. They did not have to be told, they discovered on their own.

P1/2

the only guys on here I recognize are hitler, the guy from scrubs with a moustache, ron jeremy with his hand up and rowdy roddy piper at the bottom.

>the goal is to get people like Trump who aren't anti-White
Trump is just less anti-White than the other candidates. Trump, like all Republicans doesn't care about the existence or survival of the White race.
He just doesn't want to exterminate the White race like the Dems/Libs do.

>as a means of preventing the situation from passing the point of no return.
What if the point of no return is inevitable and people like Trump, at best, delay it a couple years?

That's not what I said. Dillon of American Vanguard isn't controlled opposition, he's just hopelessly retarded. Thomas of Patriot Front isn't controlled opposition, he's just a pathetic egomaniac who would rather spend 3 weeks trying to write up a handbook on how to be a girl rather than deal with a mutiny in his group.

There's a right and a wrong way to play the game. Joining these groups is the wrong way to go. High risk to yourself, for a plethora of reasons.

>The beast is dying of old age.

That doesn't mean you can kill it. What we're seeing now with "fake news" and "alternative facts" is the slow death knells of the Iron Polygon/the Cathedral as it fails to maintain narrative control. With the slow but steady march of the internet and decentralized information accessibility eventually the monopoly on the press will be effectively meaningless. We'll enter a state of information anarchy, where words no longer have meaning and where both everything and nothing is true. Taboos will fall apart and almost any and all social norms will be eroded to the point of meaningless. Public faith in the institutions that govern us will bottom out, at which point we'll be in the same state as the USSR on its deathbed. From there, it's just a matter of who our Boris Yeltsin will be.

Siege seems to be a bit overrated

>bit rustled in the jimmies when I called them out
I was simply explaining how something you said was wrong...

>laring IRL
Nigga, what the fuck do you propose then? We all just sit at home jerk off and shitpost?

You're fucking retarded, and I'm branding you a shill for the rest of the thread. I'm done with your kikery

This gave me a good chuckle, thanks user.

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>You're going full SIEGE and I think it's too early for taht.
Ellemeffayo. My guy, are you kidding me?
You're trying to create the Third Reich and it's TOO LATE for that. We lost. We lost the major conflicts that we needed to win to maintain control last century. Hitler is dead. Rockwell is dead. Mussolini is dead. Every man and movement that attempted a direct confrontation was defeated decisively, and as a result we lost control of our nations to the enemy. We are a conquered people, and we need to accept that. But, we are not yet a defeated people, and so if we want to win and retake what is ours, we have to switch from autistically throwing ourselves at the enemy to a guerilla campaign bent on destroying the system. We can do it.