Is the acceptance of "vegetarians" and "vegans" a step back in our progress as a society? What's your stance?

Is the acceptance of "vegetarians" and "vegans" a step back in our progress as a society? What's your stance?

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Vegan here, veganism is the red pill.
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No

veganism will win

Draconian!
Must your kind plague me through all my lifetimes?
Let this innocent go and return to your kind of existence!

The fact that we CAN eat anything doesn't mean that some things aren't better for us than others. The merits of a meat-free diet should at the very least be carefully considered.

Actually no, we had a vry good trend pointing towards healthy food and self preservation and it got shifted into americanism.

youtube.com/watch?v=i2wmKcBm4Ik

It's like prohibition. It's an ideology-based solution to a behavioral reality.
It can't ever work. Meat will find a way.

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Nu-pol is cancer fuck this place

Vegan here. If we don't detach the word from other leftist causes, it's gonna lose a lot of fucking ground. Anybody who honestly thinks vegetarianism is a moral good needs to be aware of this fact. If somebody's first thought when they think of a veggie or vegan is some blue-haired, limp-wristed communist, that's bad.

this 100%. vegetarianism/veganism has been adopted by leftists who deter moderate people from having a positive view on it

I'd rather side with the globalist jews over vegans.

Having the right to choose what I consume is a right that won't be taken away.

>fat neckbeard has to have his meaties and milkies every meal

Mouse Utopia is real.

The Beautiful Ones are a real thing.

If anybody knows where I can find a vegetarian to date who isn't a screaming feminazi, I'm all ears.

Don't you have some homosexual subreddit to hangout with? I thought I told you to leave this board forever.

Lacto vegetarianism is quite based and every day consumption of meat is retarded, its a singn of a decaying society which forgot to respect it's companions

>bug man soya boy has to have his fruits and veggies with every meal

6'3, 165lbs. But w/e suits your narrative.

HURR durka durka durka durka

I am worshipping the cow

Durka dur

meat industry is total degradation

Hitler was vegetarian btw, fags

You should have fruits and veggies at literally every meal, whether you eat meat or soy or whatever or not. Even those paleo diet meatheads agree on this point. They're good for you and actually decrease odds of mortality from a ton of bad shit.

The only things you need to eat are raw meat eggs and organs

Fuck off shill

Vegetarianism is a moral good...
But morality doesn't exist in nature, it's a human invention. Why should we force the concept of good and evil on something that has never known it?
So eat whatever you want, as long as it doesn't kill you shortly after eating it.

I don't eat red meat or poultry. I don't have a problem with people who do. My objections are to the unsustainable and inhumane practices of the industry.

jesus christ the edges on the logo are fucking shit. Learn how to use photoshop you vegan fags.

>Muh (((sustainability)))

Enjoy your new world order DIEt

Eet gewoon vlees kanker homo.

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Why does every vegan own a cat?

I hope you have enough government(TM) approved supplements

Don't get dependent too much on your man made system of eating man-made genetically modified plants that no other humans in history were eating

hope you like eating bugs m8
because protein blocks will be made of bugs

>le ebin (((meme)))
Hahahahah epik meme XDDDDD

What do you think ancient Nordics ate in the winters? Protip: nothing grows on winter.

Only because you can't afford meat doesn't mean it's bad.

Lol yeah expect an actual reasonable debate on this topic from the likes of Sup Forums.
>meat and animal products kill hundreds of thousands a year via heart disease and stroke
>literally an industry based on enslavement and slaughter
>consumes an enormous amount of resources
>destroying the oceans via animal ag waste run off
>rainforests being cut down for beef cattle
>largest contributor of carbon on earth
>but "muh freedom"
>but "bacon doe"

You're an idiot and a moron, and most likely a boomer fuck that fueled these shit industries.

Yup, nothing at all Jewish about the meat and food industries. Give me a break you fucking shill, there is nothing wrong with being healthy.

Have you grow your own food before? Brewed your own beer? Built anything? You'll be the dead retard when this system of shit fails around you and you can't even grow a potato to save your life LEL

KYS faggot.

Veganism is the new world order diet made to make people dependent on the system on an inferior diet with lacks many animal vitamins what you cannot get from plants people only stay vegan for some time depending on how much meat they ate prior is dependent how long they can stay relatively healthy

Your response was a mean anyways and you are an emotional fag for following for new world order diet because of sustainability do you care about the billions of shitskins on the planet? You're also a giant fag for using man-made ideas and applying them unto the humanity of animals.

Now go eat your protein banana powder smoothie

You're asking me if I used man-made hops to create estrogen ridden poison, and you want to talk to me about the Jews

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All meat carnivore diet raw preferred is the diet of pre-agricultural humans, now fuck off emotional low T fag

Who cares?

WE'RE TAKING OVER. SOON ALL WILL BE VEGAN.
ANIMALS ARE NOT INCAPABLE OF EMPATHY. SOMETHING BEING NATURAL OR NOT HAS NO BEARING ON WHETHER ONE SHOULD PERFORM THE ACT. WE SHOULD TREAT OTHER BEINGS AS WE WANT TO BE TREATED BECAUSE WE WOULD WANT TO BE TREATED THAT WAY IF WE WERE IN THEIR POSITION. THAT'S CALLED EMPATHY.

>ANIMALS ARE NOT INCAPABLE OF EMPATHY.
No fucking shit, just look at dogs.
>SOMETHING BEING NATURAL OR NOT HAS NO BEARING ON WHETHER ONE SHOULD PERFORM THE ACT.
It has everything to do with it when we're dealing with non-human-based issues. There's a reason the word "natural" exists.
>WE SHOULD TREAT OTHER BEINGS AS WE WANT TO BE TREATED BECAUSE WE WOULD WANT TO BE TREATED THAT WAY IF WE WERE IN THEIR POSITION. THAT'S CALLED EMPATHY.
You really don't understand how nature works, do you? Animals eat other animals because that's what they're supposed to do.
Wait is this bait? Have you successfully baited me?

Vegan is clearly better. We should grow up and advance instead of being subhuman-like.

YOU HAVE BEEN BAITED FAGGOT.
YOU STILL ARE FALLING TO THE NATURALISTIC FALLACY. TRY AGAIN AND/OR LEARN LOGIC.

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Imagine being so dumb you actually believe humans are meant to live on an all meat diet.

>he doesn't know meat contain estrogen
Enjoy your manboobs

I didn't say they were meant to live on it humans were not created to do anything or meant to live in anyway you man made idea most likely religious fag

I said that this is what they did live on and this is what you can live on for an entire life time without anything else. Native populations with these diets do not have any Modern Health diseases

Not possible on any other diet retard.

And I bet that you believe vitamin A and beta carotene is the same thing

Lmao

Damn, bamboozled again.

>vitamin A and beta carotene
Beta carotene gets converted into vitamin A, what's the problem?

We were meant to eat meat. That's why we have K9 teeth. Primitive hunters would have never survived without meat.
In nature, for the most part, meat is one of the only things gives high calories, and you can feed 20+ people at once. You know how many nuts it would take to equal a bear?
These people worked all day long, manual labor and needed a massive amount of calories to sustain themselves.
Many Inuits in Northern Canada have a diet of 95% meat due to weather and yet have the lowest cancer rates in the world, actually, they basically don't get cancer.
They eat a ton of fish, but besides fish, everything else is pure red meat. That's how they have lived for thousands of years.
Dr. Shawn Baker has only eaten meat for 5 straight years. Not One single fruit or veggie. Healthy as fuck.

Huge portions of the populations cannot convert beta carotene to vitamin A in the first place so this is a vegan lie

Less than 2% is converted in the most healthy of adults

It's not the same thing

I bet you also believe that vitamin D can be supplemented

Hahahahaha

Glad there's someone with some sense on here

The doctors is me. E though because he only eats ribeye steaks he denies ever eating organs or anything else really

This is bullshit.
Maybe if you do nothing with yourself you might get titties. If you stuff your face with peanut butter daily you will get the same result. It's called fat.
There are many fat vegans.
99% of athletes are eating a ton of meat, as are 99% of people in shape.
So don't equate meat to titties, when ever chad body is consuming a ton of meat.

Acceptance is always a step forward but a step forward is not always beneficial.

>Is meat removal a step back?
Yes, meat is an essential part of our diet. The anti meat fad was started by the sugar industry trying to blame. Meat/obesity/health problems over fat to pull the blame away from itself. It's simply stuck this long regardless of now having the evidence that they bribed researchers to start the anti meat fad. Excess sugar consumption is the root of most health problems of the west.

>Meat causes obesity
Wrong, there are plenty of obese vegans roaming about because sugar - the actual cause of weight gain. Isn't an animal byproduct

>You should have fruits
Wrong, fruits high in fructose should be avoided like any junk food.
>Vegetables
Yes, cabbage, carrot, broccoli are essentials.

Veganism is the future. I'd go all out if it wasn't that meet is so fucking cheap because of all the subsidies and vegetarian stuff is more expensive and less available than it should be because of the low demand.

>We were meant to eat meat.
No, sauce?
>That's why we have K9 teeth.
Kek, see pic related, try killing an animal with your "canine"
>Many Inuits in Northern Canada have a diet of 95%
Kek the Inuit myth. They have heart disease
onlinecjc.ca/article/S0828-282X(14)00237-2/abstract
And horrible bone strength.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/4412233/
And low morality.

Your a bluepilled moron

I must admit, when I first started looking into it all I was skeptical as fuck.
How long you been all meat?
Have any blood tests done since starting?

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Fruitarian here. People who attack the diet of Vegans, Vegetarians and Fruitarians are immoral monsters.

There is, and I mean this 100%, no ethical or logical reason to consume any animal products.

Pic related is my diet today, as you can see I hit 100% of everything with ease, and haven't ingested any carcinogens or toxic animal products or contributed to antibiotic resistant bacteria.

Ethnically, eating meat is fucking disgusting. Animals are treated like fucking rape pillows. In fact, I think it is worse. I own a few rape pillows and have never fucking stolen their children, although I do rape them and keep them in tight dark spaces like we do with animals. What is happening to cattle is a genocide. Sup Forums cunts love to waffle on about 'white genocide'. OK, tell me when whites are being force fed drugs, milked and have the ground they walk on taken away. Animal genocide is disgusting. The oceans are also being genocided but it is more like a spreading Rwandan genocide because fishermen are fucking niggers and don't have the Nazi organisation of the meat industry.

Logically it is retaded as fuck. All fish is polluted by Mercury and PCB. red meat is a type one carcinogen. No meat provides what plants cannot. Yes, I include B12 and Vitamin D. Vitamin D comes from the sun. The sun is essentially a space flower. B12 is created by bacteria that live on grass. I have no grass in my city so have to drink almond milk but Vegans can easily get B12. The only argument meatcucks can come up with is 'MUH TEETH'. OK then retard. Explain why a 2017 study from the British Dentists Association found that people who eat meat more than once per week have 785% higher chance of dental infections?

Our teeth were not meant to eat meat. The 'canine' teeth were created to slice fruits, not fucking flesh.

Check out how much land is wasted on unnecessary mono-culture farms, producing corn, or fruits. There is plenty of room to produce enough meat in a better way.

>Check out how much land is wasted on unnecessary mono-culture farms, producing corn, or fruits.
i think most people here would agree that corn shouldnt exist

>rape pillows
>fuitarian gay shit

No wonder why your country is plagued with sand niggers and genderless demons.

>mexico
heh

>Chimps
>Frugivore
Every single time I see this image I'm reminded of how asking people to do even the most basic level of research is to much.

Carnism is base and indicates a lack of self-control.

Exhibit A: huffingtonpost.com/nzinga-young/heres-why-black-people-do_b_10028678.html

Most people don't seem to put the dots together though. That if local communities produced their own food, and useless things where not grown/consumed. We wouldn't have the problems of the meat industry that we currently have.

These don't work because vitamin D is not a vitamin it is an animal produced hormone cannot be absorbed this way and are a total scam that's the point retard. You receive from the Sun and animal products is far different than the synthetic shitt created in a lab which you are not even able to utilize

Three months I include organs eggs and raw milk

No blood test yet but blood pressure results are amazing

>Huge portions of the populations cannot convert beta carotene to vitamin A in the first place
Lie
Try finding a vegan with vitamin A deficiency, converting beta carotene is enough to get a right amount of vitamin A.
Also getting too much vitamin A is bad
>Vitamin D
The sun is all you need, it can be supplemented though. Just like Canada injects vitamin D supplements in their milk supply

Black people are the biggest consumers of meat in the US. Make of that what you will.

I think small amounts of meat is better than none, but maybe I'm wrong? Until we determine with absolute certainty how the human body works we won't be able to know for sure. I think the health movement is better than what we had going on before, with people overeating fast food all the time and being obese as fuck. Veganism is better than THAT, but is it the optimal diet? I'm not so sure.

No meat does contain estrogens, enjoy it. I rather have a diet wich gives me superior T levels :-P

The toxoplasmosis has taken over their minds and that's why they're vegans.

What structurally it's the same, what's the problem cunt?

Or is it hur dur, it's made in a lab it must be bad.

Your argument is faulty, but so is his. Supplements are a scam in general because of how it's delivered most is not absorbed by the body. In studies only about 20% of supplemental pills where actually absorbed by the body. But you're wrong because mushrooms are a good source of vitamin D.
ars.usda.gov/ARSUserFiles/80400525/Articles/AICR09_Mushroom_VitD.pdf

Cave men would have died without meat you moron.
You also might want to read your own article moron.
>Most studies found that the Greenland Eskimos and the Canadian and Alaskan Inuit have CAD as often as the non-Eskimo populations. Notably, Bang and Dyerberg's studies from the 1970s did not investigate the prevalence of CAD in this population; however, their reports are still routinely cited as evidence for the cardioprotective effect of the “Eskimo diet.” We discuss the possible motives leading to the misinterpretation of these seminal studies.
A lot of there problems come from drinking and huffing gasoline, which is not diet related.

Then your next link on bones isn't even a link you cant read, you ave to pay $40 for 30 days of access.
How fucking retarded are you? Fucking kike.

You did not absorb any vitamin A K or D among others you are being misled and lied to

These are animal vitamins living in England you probably do not get enough Sun all vitamin supplements you take are scams

There is no vitamin B12 in your GMO factory-farmed man-made plants which none of your forefathers ever ate

Your entire argument is based off moralities which is entirely subjective based off of fee fees

You will stay vegan dependent on how long you ate animal products which will decide how long you will stay vegan without being sick then you will quit being vegan as most do unless you are mentally ill

>Yes, meat is an essential part of our diet.
Kek no!
> The anti meat fad was started by the sugar industry trying to blame.
Kek, you're delusional. What is the meat& dairy industry and what is big pharma? Wake up!
>Meat/obesity/health problems over fat to pull the blame away from itself.
Are you retarded! It is processed food, meat and dairy that's the problem.

Stop shilling for meat, dairy and big pharma

And yet the 2 highest producers are soy and sugar. Go figure, you fucking moron.
The soy has gone to your brain.

>Veganism is better than THAT, but is it the optimal diet? I'm not so sure.
as far as i am aware the diet which will make you live the longest on average is a pescetarian diet.

No one stays vegan long enough to get a vitamin A deficiency the ones who do look deathly sick as do all multiple decade-long vegans. The majority of them were heavy meat eaters beforehand which also helps.

They are in a controlled state of malnutrition

You cannot absorb vitamin D from plants this is a lie

No it's not liar

Yes vegans can be unhealthy, but vegans are actually the only group of people in healthy BMI range.
>fruits high in fructose should be avoided like any junk food.
RETARD, WHAT FUCKING BULLSHIT HAVE YOU LEARNED! Fruit fructose is NOT the same as industrial fructose! You should stop spewing bullshit! Eat more fruit!

Itt:
Appeals to "muh ancestors"
Not a single iota of nutritional understanding regarding the many detriment of eating meat and the numerous positive benefits of a plant based diet

>studies have shown vegans live the longest lives with the lowest rates of disease
>studies have shown vegans have higher t levels
>eating meat is unethical as it involves the destruction of the natural world and the torture of sentient creatures

I am vegetarian as long as i remember myself and my stance is "eat what you fucking want". You can either eat or not eat meat and live, work, and reproduce. The whole vegetarian\vegan problem is just an example of people being retards. From one side there are meat-headed manchildren with their "stop liking what i do not like" and on the other hand there are vegans who look and act like freaking sectants.

>Lol no
Okay now try actually addressing my points.
>Processed food
Look up what this means, what foods fall into this category. What 'processed' even is. It's become a buzzword
>Meat and dairy is the problem
The only problem is the lactose sugar present in dairy. Otherwise no, they're good.

>Big Pharma
Where have I mentioned this at all? Perhaps you'd have better comprehension if you where not suffering protein deficiency.

Meat doesn't have to be processed first of all, and most of what we are talking isn't processed meat, it's caught live.
In North America, our fruits and veggies are mostly GMO'd, use pesticides, and are sprayed with a chemical to make them "shiny"
It's the only thing we agree on, processed foods are shit. In Canada and the US, veggies are no exception unless you buy organic. Which Bush Jr. made a law saying even Organic can be sprayed.

Have you done research stupid retard? Chimps eat ~96% plants, the rest is mostly bugs. They eat meat when they find and they find it rarely.

PROCESSED MEAT causes cancer, not regular meat.

Look up Vitamin D metabolism.
Here is a paper on it for your consideration.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3968073/

>studies have shown that individuals who are more concerned with their health in the later years of their life who switch to a plant-based diet fare better than individuals who ate a modern American diet, have more test than the modern American

Guess what the modern American diet is a plant-based diet you fucking faggot vegans have a slightly better version of the plant based diet that's why they do better

No studies done comparing natural native diets which lack any modern Health diseases compared to "vegans".

I think I'll do what my ancestors did instead of listening to your (((evidence)))

Your body treats all sugar the same.
Sugar in fruits burns faster if used, thus considered better as it's less likely to be stored as fat.
Ask any diabetic if they are supposed to eat fruit?
It's like you have no idea what you are talking about. Every post is sprinkled with massive shit.

Vegetarianism is a choice, I made it because I don't want to participate in the endless slaughter and waste of animals just for convienece sake. I have no problem with small farms making their way and selling the excess and hunters hunting for food, fuck hunting for sport you're wasting good food. I do have a big problem with factory farms and massive slaughter houses. The waste of such places alone is unacceptable (I have developed a large disgust for waste over my lifetime).

Also, I would never force anyone to take my position and I don't talk about it unless asked.

Btw, I doubt you could force me to do anything Cpt. Sweden.

>Vegans can be unhealthy
>Vegans are only group in healthy BMI
Keep in mind that while BMI is a good indicator of health. It is far from the only factor in determining it. Someone of healthy BMI can still be suffering from a range of conditions. I know quite a few vegans who suffer from a wide range of health problems. Because they where mislead to believe weight gain is caused by consuming meat.
>This fructose is not the same as this fructose!
Provide evidence, excess sugar is bad for you whether it's "natural" or none.
>Eat more fruit
I advice people to cut fruit out of their diet almost entirely. Anything you think you're getting from fruit can be gotten from vegetables, and often in larger amounts.

>Cave men would have died without meat you moron.
Sorry didn't know you're a caveman, where did you get your internet connection?
>A lot of there problems come from drinking and huffing gasoline,
Gasoline doesn't cause atherosclerosis!

The Eskimo myth is retarded, do a simple Google search.

um, sweetie, no.
vegans and vegetarians are moving humanity Forward. #ImStillwithHer.

eating a meat heavy diet is what makes men have more testosterone. meat is murder. testosterone is the fuel of rape.

I'm advocating for a whole food plant based diet!
Soys bigger client is the fucking meat&dairy industry!